DEATH BATTLE GOT IT WRONG?!? WARFRAME VETERAN REACTS

[@DisProveMeWrong]

They used Atlas instaid of Rhino because "punched an asteroid" is measurable and "stomp hard enough to distort time" is not.

[@pulatelephonics]

Everything is explainable of you try hard enough

[@edwardnygma8533]

Counterpoint: Gravity.

[@eliaspanayi3465]

And not wukong staff to reach the moon

[@longps9528]

Gravity manipulation should be a good way to explain how Rhino Stomp slows down time, because aside from him, there is only 1 other object that can cause time distortion at that magnitude: Black holes.

[@edwardnygma8533]

@@longps9528 Exactly my thinking. Would be kinda extreme to explain Rhino must be creating miniature black holes with his stomp, but that's Warframe after all.

[@benjaminwright7879]

to this day ill never underestimate the warframe community's ability to tell a warframe by the ass alone

[@frenchfriedbagel7035]

It’s all we see when we play, so why wouldn’t we?

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

@@frenchfriedbagel7035 Ass and particle effects.

[@pulatelephonics]

I think everyone can tell exactly what the wisp dex skin looks like, even if they don’t have wisp or the skin

[@Khizar_kt]

I mean we do see it all the time

[@keyshaunthomas7553]

how can I gain this power

[@canolathra6865]

Never before have I been so offended by an outcome I 100% agree with.

[@strawberrygemz2020]

Truly lmao

[@Psycorde]

Something something elections?

[@Psycorde]

Or when you cook something that fills you but is otherwise utterly appalling

[@actionsgameOn]

Way ahead you been offensed original by part Goku an superman death battle especially some other alt battle I dislike about. Same way like hulk vs Brody

[@XBullitt16X]

Same loooool, he should've won but they made him win in such a lame ass way

[@Metruzanca]

36:17 - You know what, this makes this fight even better. New player Excal vs Raiden. Thats why the fight is so dragged out. End game player excal vs Raiden would be "Oops, he's already dead".

[@colegillgrass3373]

"Lotus, shut the hell up, if your going to tell me there is a heavy unit approaching then it better be true."

[@blix17]

@@colegillgrass3373 this is soo fucking true!! XD. Heavy unit... where? Room of enemies turned to ash

[@zSTALKn]

Saryn Prime: Lemme just casually snap my fingers

[@NotGrimman]

"does anyone know where corrupted vor's drops are" after nuking an entire room without noticing him even existing

[@Null82085]

@@NotGrimman I was playing octavia and I accidentally killed vor because he spawned on my mallet I didn't notice until he went on his rant about death

[@giraoshaw]

I was really weirded out by no mention of the mod system. That would've completely affected the outcome of the battle. Rolling guard would've been hilarious to see

[@Yewrenegade]

Ye, but then again in another Warframe universe, Excalibur is a skill full ninja surviving a war that is still on going and to our game Warframe, Excalibur is a frame we customize to be strong. Plus I don't think adding mods would really help, like it's just a fictional fight of two different characters in different universes fighting to the death. If you want a modded Excalibur, then Raiden would be heavily modded in to have the deathbattle videogame animated or DBX, no research, just deathbattle brawl. Again, mods ain't a factor.

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

And i can't believe they didn't mention that warframes are made of infested tissue, which is "nanomachines, son" by another name.

[@LegendStormcrow]

I'm pretty sure it was. Raiden would have gotten any Excal not capable of Steel Path

[@88Spint]

Raiden drops tactical nuke... Excal: "Ordis, que up Limp Bizkit - Rollin', on repeat. This is gonna take a while."

[@theSixPathsOfTrains]

Most likely done gladiator style.

[@lords.ruins_]

18:59 I know exactly why they randomly decided to choose Nova even though there are other more powerful frames. It's because there's a "INITIATE PACK II" on sale right now. Guess what's in it? Nova and a cool skin for her. Clever.

[@sekinafi29]

I was convinced the whole Warframe segment was just an ad for Warframe tbh

[@justinfarias255]

It was probably bc Nova was in a cinematic trailer and DB could use as many clips possible of warframes fighting clearly to a non warframe viewer

[@thegrouchization]

I mean, lore-wise Nova controls antimatter, which makes her the frame with the indisputably highest destructive potential. Also, Nova used to be considered *the* nuke frame (in fact, she was probably the first to fill that role gameplay-wise), so I don't know why you find her such an unlikely pick.

[@hatrikrouseberg9653]

Wiz: There are so many Warframes but my favorite has got to be Excalibur! Wiz: *Only played Excalibur so far*

[@LibertyMonk]

@@thegrouchization antimatter is only dangerous in volume, and she's slinging individual particles. A single particle is talking calories, not tons of TNT.

[@zeru5195]

Death Battles actual fights are typically not supposed to be accurate representations of the fight itself, it is purely for entertainment. That said they got a hilarious amount of stuff wrong to any Warframe vet.

[@pulatelephonics]

Man, I started the game seriously in march and the details made me cringe 💀

[@hiitsalex6780]

Sure...and totally because they aren't coving up bad writing.

[@clayxros576]

That's an excuse that is about as strong as "Its fiction, the logic doesn't matter". They've wrapped up a ton of DBs in ways that simply would not happen, and have contradicted themselves on that point by referring to the animations as "How they think it would play out". That excuse is weak and doesn't cover up their lack of understanding of the characters and their obvious biases.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

Except the viper's ammo economy. They *nailed* that

[@DARKWIZRDDUDE]

I think alot of people forget that death battle usually gives a good enough gist of lore just for people unfamiliar with the game/character to get it. If they had to break down both warframe Excalibur and raiden they would have like 2 hour videos lol i think for players who've never played warframe they did fine they dont need to know about the sentients, old war, dax, entrati, how the void works, the man in the wall, or all the other stuff im warframe lore. They just need to know Excalibur is a ninja thing with a sword controlled by a kid.

[@rngesus7641]

Imagine if it was a 2 hours video explaining every single system in the game and customisations of the characters (AND lore) just for it to be the same fight with the same results. in universe nothing is stopping exca from using weapons in different ways than what is allowed in game for example

[@TehCheeezyPoofz]

it would also take 4000 years because warframe lore is miniscule and peppered around like several needles in a massive grindy haystack and requires people to spend hundreds of hours on a shitty grind glorified mobile game to just get some semblance of what the hell is going on

[@Yewrenegade]

Indeed, plus the premise of a deathbattle is literally choosing which character, similar to their own yet being different are pinned together to fight to the death. I enjoy both characters and I am on the neutral side since I wanna see the cool fight scenes and never pick any favorites. Even if it's a silly fight, one sided or being sponsored, two fictional characters gave their all and one of them came victorious. Plus idm if Excalibur loses cuz the tenno learn from there losing battles and try again, kinda follow the motto of their schools too.

[@oluwatobitomogun1314]

I think they post a full on explanation after each video that are like 2 hours lomg

[@theSixPathsOfTrains]

Yeah fair enough

[@lurkingdaemon3289]

Spoilers: The Death Battle should not have been as close as depicted, if only because of the staggering difference in tech levels involved. Excal and all other warframes run on, put succinctly: Bullshit Space Magic. Raiden runs on electrolytes. The fight would only last the amount of time it would take for Excal to Radial Blind, summon Exalted Blade, and then cut Raiden down like the countless other cybernetically modified 'super soldiers' that Excal faces on a daily basis - like the Grineer military forces, or the Corpus proxies.

[@Chaz1871]

The battles are usually depicted as being pretty close, even when there's a vast difference in power between characters. If the fight ended in like 5 seconds then that would be stupid and unentertaining.

[@zachjennings5320]

And that would be boring as fuck hence why they made it more entertaining and appear like a close match but in the end excal still wins.

[@neirenoir]

Even if Raiden "runs on electrolytes", he still violates the laws of physics regularly during gameplay by lifting heavy stuff that should topple him over if handled the way he does.

[@id10terror15]

I get that it’s done for entertainment value, but yes this is why nobody that’s actually done feat calculation and stuff for versus battles takes Desth Battle seriously. If anything they point out the few things they get correct and compliment them when DB gets enough details wrong, but somehow still gets the right outcome.

[@afrosamurai3847]

Are you really comparing a graneer/corpus grunt to Raiden? Just no Excal was wanked. Raiden's speed far out surpasses and Excal has never shown strength comparable to the feat they mentioned so at best it's an outlier with no weight to it. Meanwhile Raiden has demonstrated strength feats repeatedly. So strength and speed alone Raiden wins.

[@underatededm93]

the battle was basically wrong formula right answer

[@88Spint]

How this fight should have gone: Radial blind + execution. Or Excal dies then revives, then again and again and one last time and then... Raiden goes about his day thinking he won while Excal ques up for another run, this time remembering to bring his mods and some proper weapons. xD

[@ProcyonDei]

Exactly....

[@Zand3rParkour]

As soon as I saw the Excal preview video for this Death Battle my immediate reaction was "Oh....no. This is gonna be baaaad"

[@M0du5Pwn3n5]

The description of Exalted Blade in game is literally "Summon a sword of pure light"

[@zSTALKn]

Despite the blade being composed of the fastest moving physical object, its arcs sure take a while to reach the other side of the room

[@Anonymous-hx3pu]

@@zSTALKn it's so powerful that it defies all earthly logic.

[@danielcox7629]

Might also be for game play reasons.

[@knighthawk6422]

Having watched the stream, I’m so glad brozime actually did the clickbait thumbnail and title. Absolutely nailed it lol

[@Yewrenegade]

Much as I fall for it, it was a good Thumbnail for clicks

[@daniellmarsden1797]

The Amesha Archwing would have been completely invulnerable to anything Raiden had. Hell, it's invulnerable to anything in Warframe. And the Helminth system isn't mentioned either. Excal could have some much stronger abilities than radial javelin.

[@reagenlionel]

This excel was using a glaive, scana, and twin vipers. Ain't no way they gonna have helmith unlocked. Lol

[@colegillgrass3373]

@@reagenlionel i too would like 2 melee weapons equiped.

[@reagenlionel]

@@colegillgrass3373 lol same.

[@Digidude0]

@@reagenlionel the 5 forma ignis wraith says otherwise LMFAO

[@eduardojosafatfriasaguirre6385]

A kuva zar tho

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

Sure, Raiden can kill an Exaclibur. A rando with a rifle can kill a particularly lousy Excalibur sometimes, problem is warframes don't stay dead, Operator will get it up nice and fit almost immediately, and even regen some mana in the process. Hunhow had it right - you need to go stab the void kid to get this "death" thing to stick.

[@stephenschneekloth1535]

Even that doesn't work

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

@@stephenschneekloth1535 Hmm, i think i've missed that, must be one of the new story quests. Sounds patently unfair, though.

[@reagenlionel]

Yeah. Though Raiden doesn't have to kill the operator to win this battle. Just excalibur the war frame. To do that, he needs to cut the war frame up into pieces. Which is one of the few ways to put a war frame out of commission. We seen Alas V do this to a Loki and use those parts to make his experiments. Also with Stalker and his acolytes. Mix and matching their parts. Since this is a Raiden vs Excalibur death battle. If he renders Excalibur unusable that's a win. Unless the operator has an excel prime or spare Excalibur sitting around, would be no way for excel to get back in the fight and would have to come back with an entirely different warframe.

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

@@reagenlionel Or the same warframe. You don't lose it, no matter the manner of it's demise. You can yeet it into the sun and it'll walk out of the arsenal none the worse for wear. The only way i know to get rid of the blasted thing for good is to feed it to the Helminth :) Alad V got away with his shenanigannery because he got his hands on warframes that didn't have operators riding 'em so none of the crazy ressurection powers applied.

[@reagenlionel]

@@Self-replicating_whatnot I mean even then. The Warframe doesn't come back right away. And there is a precedent for dead Warframes. Cause you see them both in new war and old war.

[@zondrus9346]

34:10 They wanted to start the death battle but Excal was still 48 hours from being finished

[@samiamtheman7379]

When Whiz calls Excalibur the most deadly Warframe when the game has one that can literally open a portal to the sun and shoot its energy at people, I'm yet again forced to question their research.

[@Shadowangel615]

Let’s not forget about the one who can punch your soul out of your body, or the one that can cause mass hysteria among everyone in a room at any given moment, or the one that can kidnap you into his own pocket dimension and freely manipulate you, or the one that can run so fast he can turn you into paste if he touches you, or the one that can summon multiple hurricanes at once in a single room

[@danielcox7629]

Thick thighs take lives.

[@ShadeTavish]

Or yknow Nova according to the game "destabilizing matter"

[@RjGoombes]

tbf the Setup was that they were arguing that their favorite character should win, so it fits that wiz acts biased towards him lol

[@germanboi3956]

So a little clarification for anyone wanting to seriously know, despite the many mistakes in the analysis, the Atlas feat is actually totally fine. It’s located in Atlas’s Leverain. The story is that a bunch of doomsday cultists strapped rockets on a meteor and directed it towards the earth (no I’m not kidding). Atlas punches (or use tremors, it doesn’t matter as it’s still his strength) the meteor into dust and sends parts of the meteor LIGHTYEARS AWAY to the EDGE OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM (also the reason we know the feat is canon and not just legend). That’s a medium planet feat, and at the lowest, small planet. Which also DOES translate to Excalibur because the Warframes all come from the helminth, are all powered by the same force, and are never stated to be different in overall power. So while it may seem outlandish they actually got that right. Yes all Warframes including Excalibur are more than likely at least medium planet level in strength.

[@germanboi3956]

Actually funnily enough I think Death Battle was conservative with their force estimate. With the amount of force it takes to send something multiple LIGHTYEARS away means Atlas probably put out a force MUCH HIGHER than they calculated.

[@hatrikrouseberg9653]

Their power gap can be expressed this way: "Raiden fights wars in the planet Earth" "Excalibur fights intergalactic wars"

[@pete5516]

@@germanboi3956 yeah it depends, lightyears away is already impressive but how long did it take for the debris to travel that far? Cant be that fast or it’d just turn to dust? Still an insane feat either way

[@beserker9890]

Light years away to the edge of the solar system? That makes no sense, the solar system is not a single light year.

[@TheArrivalCyberse]

@@beserker9890 It's also a game, which does not have to abide by real life scale.

[@HelloFellowMellowMarshmallow]

Excal is pretty much the most grounded Warframe there is since if it was ANY OTHER WARFRAME, just explaining their abilities would show a clear winner.

[@darrylferguson3622]

The only way this Death Battle could have been an even bigger spoiler would be if they had used Excalibur Umbra for the fight. That aside, it's quite clear they chose Excalibur because he is the poster boy of Warframe- If Wiz likes tech based frames Vauban would be number 1, Ash is more of a ninja than Excalibur is and they spent a decent amount of time talking about how awesome Atlas is.

[@ZephyrusAsmodeus]

They didn't use Excal Umbra but they still showed it in the beginning 😒

[@darrylferguson3622]

@@ZephyrusAsmodeus oh lol

[@eliaspanayi3465]

I mean, umbra just starts beating raiden and the operator just shoots him with a beam of void energy or something

[@clayxros576]

I'm a big fan of Atlas too tbh, even if I think his 4 should be replaced for an earthquake or something.

[@darcraven01]

@@clayxros576 the problem with (and the reason they didn't give him) earthquake is it'd basically be the same thing as banshee's soundquake...

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

By the definition in "The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition", an asteroid is between one kilometer and several hundred kilometers in diameter. So calling something a "giant asteroid" would imply that it's scale is at least slightly removed from the minimum size within the definition, so six kilometers is a pretty conservative and reasonable guesstimate to be fair.

[@darthgiorgi4990]

Also said asteroid had "world shattering" as its description, so it definitely wasn't small.

[@clayxros576]

They should have said so then, not use the baffling statement of "Atlas punched it apart, so it must have been...". That statement is just.....painful to read

[@spenkerdetanker9067]

this was hilarious to watch along and just keep going "no, that's not right"

[@Yewrenegade]

For us vets, ye. Can be hit or miss give or take, but then again its simplified to a tee for normal viewers who haven't played Warframe yet don't know what Warframe is. Take it as a small book of: Guiding lore for dummies

[@Envy-NV]

I feel like they mentioned Atlas because they were looking through the wiki alphabetically for something that sounded cool and didnt check everything

[@mastercontrol981]

Nah, Atlas' feat is probably one of the more insane in the game's lore, and a decent reference point if you don't know anything about the upper limits of Warframes. However, it's possibly an exaggerated legend by the time we hear it, as the common people at points literally worshiped them as gods, and an outlier if true (aside from Rhino's stomp having "sufficient force" to disrupt time, which is just nuts and should just vaporize the entire area you're in). It doesn't apply particularly well to Excalibur, as they have entirely different fields of expertise.

[@Kurai_69420]

The thing about Atlas's punch is that it's a warframe ability, so its power comes from the void. Atlas's 1 isn't a punch, Atlas literally casts fist.

[@Anonymous-hx3pu]

All of their powers come from the void ffs

[@wolfsaints]

You know what would’ve been a better replacement for them surging the Warframe’s power system The devil trigger thing that was supposed replace channeling in the last part of melee 3.0 that we still haven’t got yet

[@5H4D3]

Let it rest mate, we're never getting it.

[@wolfsaints]

@@5H4D3 it would nice if they let use know that those interested of not saying anything though

[@Ando1428]

I have already forgotten that.

[@DigitalWraith]

Hate to say it but the Exalted Blade is described as a sword made of light. So yeah, it is likely a void weapon, but its description says: *Exalted Blade* Summon a sword of pure light and immense power. Energy Drain: 2.5 s-1

[@addmorenumber692]

Ay I was looking for a smart guy like this one

[@Cannon_1964]

Raiden: "Infinite ammo" Excal: *pulls out Nataruk* "Ight"

[@lanoche]

Insert that gif of that Weird Al parody movie UHF where he was parodying Rambo and shoots an arrow that makes somebody explode.

[@kevinlim7265]

"Exalted Blade Summon a sword of pure light and immense power." So yeah, exalted blade is supposed to be made of light

[@youraveragechroma2139]

Just one… one radial blind and I would have been happy… Still loved all the fun meming around they did and especially the fact that they both did codec calls that I know both games for.

[@brmbltbr4]

Deathbattle is pretty infuriating for people who know the details tbh

[@apexparagon7133]

That's why I only watch if I wanna laugh

[@tizodd6]

Very true. They're entertaining, but their surface-level understanding is frustrating. And in some cases they're just flat-out wrong.

[@TraehderettahS]

Yup, thats why I hated Alucard vs Dio: If they were using both at full power, then by the end of series, Alucard has Schrodingers ability to be everywhere and nowhere simultaneously. Alucard cannot be killed so long as he wills it at the end of Hellsing, so I wasnt impressed by their death battle.

[@Stormfin]

I'm still mad about Hulk and Doomsday, honestly.

[@RobotMasterSplash]

lmao you guys care way too much

[@BulletSponge71436]

Bruh, come on, they were talking about *THE LORE* and *THE GAME* combined. From the lore standpoint weapons that players consider "shit" can be actually OP in the story/lore.

[@DKannji]

Excal only needed to mod himself with a single Adaptation and he'd be able to stand still tanking all Raidens hits. And with the true "end game" sword, the Paracesis, he would be able to cleave Raiden in half with no effort as the Paracesis is made to cleave the adaptive armor of the sentients. But that was an entertaining win regardless. Now I'll return to contemplate what it means to be a Tenno species.

[@MakutaNazo]

Incorrect Zime my Bro, Exalted blades in game description says, "Summon a sword of pure light and immense power." ;) But yeah, it's clear this bonus episode was a bit rushed. Besides that, they did really well at describing warframes immense complexity and detail to a bunch of normies who wouldn't know anything about the game.

[@ernonikkola1084]

True, and exalted blade used to be just light, BUT it was changed at some point to have a solid structure surrounded by light.

[@MakutaNazo]

@@ernonikkola1084 You are correct, but its description remains un-changed, and there isn't anything saying it cannot be made from solid light matter? ;) Warframe has FAR more outlandish sci-fi elements than hardlight.

[@ernonikkola1084]

@@MakutaNazo agreed, even portal 2 has light bridges, and that takes place a bit earlier than Warframe.

[@qpsyche9115]

I guess I played warframe for too many years to realize just how deep the rabbit hole goes as far as the lore is concerned. It's like I just watched a 20 second summary of interstellar after someone read some wiki on it....

[@bophadesnutz3313]

Tbh the True Ending would have been if Umbra fought Raiden instead, and in the end they realize they are the same and walk of together as brothers

[@Ashley-the-fox]

YES why didn't they use umbra

[@aidenreed680]

Fun fact they were gonna use Umbra but decided against it and instead use base Excalibur since well...not everyone knows or plays warframe and probably want to introduce warframe to people who didn't know about warframe, and well Excalibur is the poster boy of warframe after all

[@matthewtalbot6505]

Yea, I’m pretty sure Excal literally just has to swing Exalted Blade a few times, Raidens edgelord vibrator can’t, or at least shouldn’t, be able to block beams of Void Energy launched by a sword made of Void Energy. A much more interesting matchup would have been Teshin v Raiden.

[@afrosamurai3847]

Raiden is far faster so those swings aren't connecting so irrelevant.

[@V1_Ultrakiller]

@@afrosamurai3847 It says in the description of those exalted blades that they're made out of pure light. Those flying blades are canonically going lightspeed.

[@sethjk8871]

Tbf, they state tons of times that their depiction of the fights is not how they believe they would happen, just a more entertaining way to come to the same conclusion

[@Taygon45]

He's using the Twin Vipers because it's a reference to Twin Snakes. Also to make a funny joke about it eating ammo fast and Raiden having unlimited ammo.

[@pentagonofpeople]

To an extent I can understand species: Tenno. Through Titania's quest you learn that there really isn't such a thing as a "true" human. There's some subtle differences between the grineer, corpus, and orokin, and while the Tenno are most directly tied to the orokin, after the event on the zariman, they became changed in a fundamental way that separates them from the orokin. I think I still would've put orokin as the species regardless, but I can kinda see where they were coming from

[@Argonisgema]

When brozime said the exalted blade is not ade out of light DUDE IT SAYS IT STRAIGHT ON THE WIKI AND I BET IT SAYS IT INGAME.

[@giraoshaw]

I think it's because he has Excal Prime and, visually, it's exalted blade uses an actual sword surrounded in light rather than being entirely made out of light like regular and umbra.

[@albertwesker295]

Idk dude but every exalted blade i see is a sword with light effects around it.

[@reagenlionel]

But it doesn't travel as light. Its clearly void and not actually light. The description of that ability was written before we knew really what void is. That's what Brazil's means.

[@Fredongo_]

"Can kill giant enemies like Lehpahtis & Eidolons"... Excal has a notably bad kit against either of these. Also you forgot to mention Councellor Vay Hek

[@WillFarshore]

*Brozime does new version of laughing spiderman meme* *15 minutes of laughter later* "No. Still right but No." This was a treat to watch. Also 2 feet killed me for a good 5 minutes.

[@88Spint]

Wait a minute here!? Was Excal doing mastery farming right here??? With those weapons.... Either that or he is really new to the game and spent some plat on the wrong things.

[@you1027]

Deathbattle is the casual Andy take, but in this case I'm glad they vastly undersold a fresh-from-tutorial Excal and even still he won - makes for good promotional material. Didn't jump the shark as much as like... how some rabid 40k fans insist it beats everyone's everything forever by turnoff-ingly vast margins.

[@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770]

Wait, doesn’t the description for Exalted Blade in Warframe say “Summon a sword of pure light and immense power”? Why isn’t it a sword of light? I mean, even if it’s wrong (because we can clearly see the physical sword), it is still the description that is given.

[@hatrikrouseberg9653]

Raiden: Eh straight to the poi- Brozime: *pause* Raiden: nt Meta- Brozime: *pause* Me: *ANGERY INTENSIFIES*

[@acheron16]

The electricity manipulation they refer to is regarding a scene in MGS4 where he zaps enemies with electricity.

[@4g3nt06]

the "blast" nova can do is mentioned in her Liverian lore

[@littltheyjack]

I think we’re just running up against a fundamental power scaling flaw here present for virtually any rpg video game (and most media, if we’re being honest). How much more advanced is Warframe’s material science, what is “a point of ferrite armor”, how “strong” are Armstrong’s nanomachines? These questions usually weren’t asked, and definitely have no answer. We slash at the gear innumerable times as Raiden, only to have control taken from us for him to cut it clean down the middle in a single motion (with his, at best, 40 inch sword), vs Excalibur, who does very little out of our control, effortlessly cutting through a level one grineer lancer unmodded, but being effectively incapable of damaging a target that is seemingly identical but “level 200”. These systems and stories are just not designed in a way that allows them to compare to each other, or physics as we understand them, which is okay, because it’s a story (I know, I am incredibly fun at parties).

[@KirbyS771]

The game legit says exalted blade is made of pure light. Gotta give them that one

[@MajorCrasher]

They did skip over a lot but idk what to tell anyone who thought they were going to mention the sentients lol. They only ever spend about 5-7 minutes at most on the matchups. There's no way to fit all Warframe lore in there. And they did get a lot of specifics wrong that you'd probably never know unless you'd been playing for years.

[@RickySama240]

This was a funny reaction. xD Was surprised Death Battle put the Artemis bow as a chosen weapon for Excal even though that's Ivara's weapon.. xD

[@dodorichard]

Excal should have an 8 Forma Machete, that would be a fun sword battle to watch.

[@Null82085]

The part where they talk about lore brought me physical pain, I can explain all of this better than them completely improvised. also I'm pretty sure it says that Excal was the first frame according to Ballas I think, also when they said Excal is the strongest, man Limbo could beat his shit in with the power of cheese.

[@ZzzarieL]

Meanwhile wisp: "The sun is a deadly laser"

[@Null82085]

@@ZzzarieL I will now say that in the tune whenever I use Wisp 4

[@Econ1991]

Instead of TNT, I use the metric of "how long would (insert thing) survive in the hell that is 40k" Warframe does pretty good along with Doom guy

[@arvatas]

Warframe vs 40k really boils down to "Is the Void the Warp y/n?" If they are, it's really bad, if they aren't, there are few things that could actually be genuinely dangerous to a Waframe or even a Tenno.

[@Econ1991]

@@arvatas I've see that discussion and the result is they are separate as it's the difference between the webway and the warp. They wouldn't be an all out war of Tenno vs everyone, the biggest debate is who would like to side with them, the Imperium or the Necrons

[@Darthmufin]

Falcor isn't a shitty glaive, its far from the worst ones and it has a high riven disposition. Its one of two glaives that home in on enemies, the other being the Orvius. Falcor is like a lower damage shorter explosion range xoris.

[@Yewrenegade]

Well the battle is about Excal vs Raiden, fictional techno cyborg ninjas fighting to the death. Also honestly if you take Falcor into the Warframe world rather looking in a game, it is still another deadly weapon to kill.

[@Darthmufin]

@@Yewrenegade I'm not talking about death battle, im talking about brozime mentioning that falcor was bad lol

[@Yewrenegade]

@@Darthmufin forgot about that, your not wrong though, sorry. Also I take any weapon that could be fun to try than the meta weapons

[@canolathra6865]

It's strong for a melee, but weak for a glaive due to having forced electric procs instead of slash procs. And its homing is good on initial throw, but I find it to be unreliable when trying to ricochet between enemies.

[@Darthmufin]

@@canolathra6865 It's flight speed is also faster than the xoris, so its has equal dps to the xoris (with a riven mod).

[@apexparagon7133]

Their match ups can be interesting but they cherry pick and misinterpret so much, you can tell they are just collaborating or looking at descriptions half the time wich can be pretty frustrating for someone who is really invested in the content they decide to cover, side note I missed the Artemis bow in the list when I watched the other day

[@pulatelephonics]

For sure. It pains me that I could recognize the verbatim descriptions for items that they were using from the game

[@Desdemona-XI]

The problem is those descriptions are all they have to work with, enemy scaling and modding arent really lore based facets of the game, like the idea of a level 200 clone who looks identical to a level 10 clone, same weapons and everything, having more health and armor than a railjack is abject utter nonsense and only exists for mechanical purposes for the player. DB weighs lore vs lore and canon vs canon. And warframes canon regarding weapon effects are very narrow and oftentimes misleading compared to actual play performance. And there's very little info on exactly how strong a warframe is in the lore beyond leverian stories and a handful of anecdotal quotes

[@_Dajuice_]

"They're speeds are close" Raiden is literally millions of m/s faster as they say.

[@merlinthestrange8543]

The gap wasn't that big

[@tonysmith9905]

@@merlinthestrange8543 2% gap when you're talking lightspeed gaps already is MASSIVE. The bigger the numbers the crazier it is.

[@canolathra6865]

The only Deathbattle I have ever enjoyed was Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie, because it was all a giant joke and the fact that they always get stuff wrong didn't really matter.

[@chronosite]

I feel like they're intentionally nerfing Excalibur by giving him the weaker weapon out of the possible options

[@clayxros576]

Of course. If they were using real gear, the fight would be about 5 seconds even if there wasn't a sneak attack. I'd love to see Raiden try and deflect 5 arrows from a Multishot-modded Kuva Bramma.

[@conradbennett1656]

They had to, 1 arca plasmore and raid would have been radioactive goo

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

IGNIS TIME

[@BoochieKatt]

They should’ve had wukong vs raiden so celestial twin can walk up and snap his neck

[@pulatelephonics]

That would be even more unfair than this already is lol

[@djixi98]

Haven't laughed this much in a while, great vid Zime!

[@caster863]

Imagine Raiden fighting Rhino. They'd be playin the Metal Gear Rising theme while he's on iron skin.

[@danielcox7629]

Rino wouldn't even need it weapons. Of course Warframes don't play fair so he'd use them anyways.

[@mas8705]

The episode was fun to watch and watching this break down of said episode was just as enjoyable. That and the mention of not using Rhino to explain overwhelming power.

[@Im.Etheric]

To be fair it’s very hard to even calculate feats within the Warframes universe because there’s not many astronomical scenes or comic book feats besides dodging lasers or beams of light (light speed feat) & tanking explosions which put them at durability an multi city levels, to add in game feats of the players would make them leagues above many (not all) Marvel, DC and Star Wars characters, players can actually tank nova anti matter attacks I have without any upgrades with Excalibur, but the attacks haven’t really been scaled, to any massive environmental damage or cause a cataclysmic effect but likely could be Multicontinental to low planetary damage, players can tank damage from ediolon gantulsty star prism attack or can Dodge it making them FTL based off it being pure light* Energy, but there is no real scaling with the damage it dose on lore to it but can have bases for speed being light, but it’s a lot more things that weren’t in factor they didn’t get into the Mods that makes the war frames stronger but would’ve took way more time and also the types of companions & gear that would our class raiden* by many leagues The fact that they have sentinel stacking region their shields constantly, and the spectra summons of exact replica war frames, really all of that durability wouldn’t even matter because they can get blessed spammed but is really too complicated because people want to include exact game mechanics which would take too much animation time to get everything down to a complete replica

[@orkagan]

This is like watching a math problem getting solved completely wrong but somehow still ending up with the correct answer

[@FrostedMike]

45:05 Only a year after I think figured out why the asteroid must be "at least 6 km across". This asteroid according to Warframe lore was suppose to kill any living creature on the planet. Anything smaller and the impact won't be strong enough to do that.

[@kylegivens3120]

Tenno are just human. Only extremely mutated by the Technocyte Virus for the Warframes, and the Void for the Operators.

[@MicahBurginGTVPO]

I almost fell over when you said konzu is 4'3" Warframe memes are the best memes, early lunch for manlet

[@Fruit_handler]

Wasn't murasama Sam's blade? I mean he uses it in the end but for the 99% of the game Raiden uses his high frequency blade, which might be unnamed? It's been a while since I looked into mgrr

[@V1_Ultrakiller]

The murasama was a family heir katana turned into a hf blade. That's why it glows red.

[@darcraven01]

4:20 to be fair, its a deathbattle... a thing known for diving into the little details of a character and telling everything. if someone wasn't expecting the spoilers then thats on them.. deathbattle giving a spoiler alert at all is more a formality than required.

[@possiblymisha]

That is a thing and that does still happen. When you play the intro segment, you can block Vor's beam attack??? Moreover, during the New War, you're incredibly close to the sun, implying that Warframes are durable enough to not be be instantly vaporized. Moreover, the wiki generally regards him as capable of summoning "light" via his janus key (in the corrupted state). So, it's fair to assume that the beam itself is also light. Scaling frames as relative to the speed of light isn't all that crazy when we have frames's who's whole premise is breaking space and time (protea, limbo, nova). Lastly, Warframes are capable of outputting enough damage to destroy sentients... who's whole premise is that they adapt to virtually anything but the void. Lastly, the exalted blade is literally described as "a sword of pure light." I think it's fair to assume that its projectile slashes are also light. In other words, you could argue that Excalibur himself (on paper rather than gameplay) has the potential for light-speed attacks.

[@hushplz]

i cant wait for the raiden callback skin for excal XD but this ended as it should with excal win but i didnt see any warcrimes so i feel cheated. also this was a totally unmodded excal that is the only way raiden had a chance at all.

[@TwinTurboMKXV]

Exalted Blade: Summon a sword of pure LIGHT. Yes, it's flippin light!

[@Koenium]

The Atlas Stan Epilogue is absolutely fascinating what the hell happened there?! 😭

[@NoahLoydOG]

The fact that all Excalibur has to do is spam Slash Dash to be invulnerable kinda gives him the edge against any opponent who can't erase him from existence with an Infinity Gauntlet or something.

[@KumaBones]

"Warframe s haven't killed the p." Yeah they only exterminated the entire race of the most advanced ruling body in the solar system. Nothing when compared to the p.

[@hairydogfather7408]

This dude is some sort of living, breathing encyclopedia

[@rampant1apart]

Nice to see Death Battle keeping up its long history of dodgy calculations and context divorced feats list.

[@JayDee-vq5rf]

Battle starts with foundry crafting him, then ends with his mom's credit card getting declined so he can't rush the craft for plat. GG. Pretty sure they just picked excal because he's in every CG scene. This is one of the core marketing problems this company has. To an outside non-player, it seems like you are playing a 1 player game as a single person, in such an exaggerated way that the worldbuilding makes no sense. Where's the new player version when he throws the glaive and the instantly kills himself from the bleed proc? This must be the stagger version. counterpoint: Raiden eats 1 ration and then his body is sewn back together like nothing ever happened. Rooster Teeth, Atlas mains confirmed.

[@laharlkent]

Excal would have used the synth scanner to check under the box, Items glow even from multi rooms away

[@piratequeenucyra6690]

Brozime's face is like "What the fuck did you just say to me?!" 😂

[@FokiHun]

Death Battle gets it wrong near enough every time and people are still surprised X)

[@CasperDar]

Getting upset at Death Battle is like half the fun

[@Blcokhead753]

Wait til they meet my umbral inaros with adaptation and arcane grace standing there like a brick wall or my umbral nidus who literally can't die

[@juanfisi]

I always thought the Tenno were the operator AND the warframe, body and mind together. 45:30 because it was big enough to cause mass extintion, therefore it needs to be at least that big.

[@Barbatos_100]

They lowballed the hell out of that feat. It was going to shatter the Earth and would have to be way bigger, thus making Atlas and Excal stronger.

[@juanfisi]

@@Barbatos_100 Thanks for the info

[@FabiTheSnake]

Would have been cool if they teased the werewolf warframe, but i doubt it. It should be the werewolf next, and they could have given them the raw model even with him in the works. But you really destroyed them man, like, brutally. I didnt pay attention, then you come across and just point out ALL the bs. Well gj XD

[@brythonbrowning1950]

Scooby do in chat said "That's a prime stretch" when discussing excal using Artemis Bow

[@Dracomancili]

God dang, remember when we could actually run up and along walls instead of just hopping? I miss that.

[@covenant_mog05]

The asteroid heading towards earth that Atlas punched was describe to be capable of total destruction when it was detected by the Orokin , I assume that's where they got the size of it. For an asteroid to cause that amount of devastation would need to be equal to that of the asteroid that destroyed prehistoric habitat. Coincidentally there was an actual asteroid that struck earth in real life that was 10km long in Mexico, so asteroids do get that big even moreso. At least they weren't going overboard with Atlas punching something like a moon or planet lmao

[@SmoochyRoo]

Warframes are technically what we would call post human, hell nearly every living person/character in Warframe canon is technically post human just some much, much more than most.

[@danielcox7629]

The tenno themselves are superhuman. Everyone else is trans-human.

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

Electricity manipulation is a Metal Gear Solid 4 Raiden thing, where he could just sort of create targeted lightning strikes indoors to cook people.

[@Valkyrien04]

the weirdest part was they spoiled so much random shit in the first 5 minutes, NONE of it connected. like they were trying to go for maximum spoiler salt without actually connecting any of the dots they put up.

[@SuicidalRevolver]

I mean, it's Rooster Teeth levels of research and dedication, what'd you expect lol

[@KijinGG]

Alot of this is just so far off the mark... Excalibur, the warframe, is not a master swordsman. The tenno operating him is. Excaliburs kit just aids in the use of swords. The tenno are the ones trained to use the weapons.

[@saltysoda93]

i could also just imagine Ivara casting her 4 and then wields Excal who's wielding the Artemis Bow

[@DARKWIZRDDUDE]

Im surprised Reb didnt voice act the lotus for this

[@leolin4588]

Excalibur's blade literally is make of pure light... read the ability description in-game.

[@QuiteSpiffing]

Imagine spoiling major plot points before the spoiler warnings.

[@Wulfspyder]

It woulda been a more believable match-up if the Excal was Umbra using the skiajati.