Bruce Prichard on The End of nWo in WWF

[@stevenhigney3985]

They didn't really botch anything. Why didn't the nWo work? Because first Nash injured himself, the fans turned Hogan face, and then Hall gets fired. How do you work with that? All you have left is Nash who can't wrestle, gets better, then tears his quad his first night back in the ring. They try to throw in Pac, HBK, Booker and Big Show with an injured Nash, and no one wants that.

[@QuentinDude]

yep. The whole nWo as everybody remembers it is Hall, Nash and Hogan. And then they added a bunch of other guys after that which made no difference to the group or benefited them in anyway shape or form. Just a bunch of guys clinging onto something.

[@danjack1447]

Lmao Michael's in nwo was so pathetic. I can never take that guy seriously .. he looks like a pansy

[@NwoFresh]

@@danjack1447 the nwo wasn’t anything but the kilq to begin with

[@chosento2988]

Having Hall lose to Austin at mania totally ruined the push.... Austin acted like a spoiled BRATT at the end of that match how he walked out like he didn't care...lost All respect for him then!

[@jakelang806]

@@rd24life why do it?

[@QuentinDude]

The problem with the nWo was that Hogan was getting more pops from the crowd than anybody because they we're happy to see him back. Nash was hurt all the time, Hall had too many problems, Xpac was just another name in the nWO, HBK wasn't ready to perform again and the whole group just wasn't going to work out.

[@BFB1687]

Pac was a significant part for them in WCW tho

[@arthurmorgan7086]

@@BFB1687 no

[@BFB1687]

@@arthurmorgan7086 yes

[@arthurmorgan7086]

@@BFB1687 ask 100 ppl to name three NWO members. NOBODY is pickin xpac. DX yes. NWO? No

[@randyhartford1909]

​@@BFB1687yes pac was a part of the wolfpack before the nwo wolf pack existed

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

The Goldust/Booker stuff IS some of the greatest stuff ever!

[@AlexThorn]

It was terrible

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

@@AlexThorn “You didnt just say dat! TELL ME…he didnt JUST SAY DAT!”

[@AlexThorn]

@@HereIsWisdom1318 OK, lol I smiled

[@Pillar5770]

I would have liked to see the Kliq on-screen together and feud with the other WWF stars.

[@tonyandrews9218]

I was there in Philly the night Nash tore his quad...it looked like he clumsily tripped over Booker's arm and then he was down screaming in pain..it was crazy...Hebner did the X and a whole slew of guys came out...WWE and real medical help.

[@I41535D]

Christian Christiaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn At last your on your owwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn (High pitch ooooooaaaaaaahhhhh)

[@prowrestlingfan6305]

Christian’s best entrance theme.

[@zachjohnson637]

Why didn't they cover Big Show getting kicked out of the nWo too?

[@merleshand2442]

They should have kept WCW as a separate entity and let Shane run it or use somebody else who knew what they were doing and do talent trades

[@jakelang806]

ive always said that

[@jessejames9149]

Like all the podcast!

[@msoileau83]

Maybe Hunter, Nash, and Vince's quad tears were all karma for the screwjob. Also, Michaels's lazy eye...

[@foreverred105]

NWO coming to RAW when the Invasion literally started in mid-2001 would have absolutely worked

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

Yea, well...those guys were getting paid too much to sit at home.

[@sampiHBK00]

Nash has said that the original plan for WM was for Hall to beat Austin (with help from Nash) and then the Rock beats Hogan, but the NWO beats down Rock after the match. Then WM ends with the NWO standing tall over a beaten up Rock. I liked Hogan’s face turn, but I would have loved to see the original NWO & Hollywood Hogan have a longer run in WWE before Hogan turned face.

[@paulfox9252]

Hey bruce and conrad love you guys work cant get enough.From Foxy in Melbourne Australia.Peace guys.

[@billyray5232]

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[@rubberchix]

BIlly Ray wtf are u

[@billyray5232]

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[@HornyStewie_69]

Foxy?? That's so gay

[@icantthinkofacooname3025]

It would have been awesome for the original NWO Hall, Nash, and Hogan to split up like they did because of the popularity of Hogan but instead have HHH, HBK, and X Pac to help Hall and Nash beat down Hogan and form a clique/NWO/DX stable and have that group feud with Hogan, Austin, Rock, and pretty much everybody else for at least a year. That would have kept Hall in check to be with his buddies once again on the road,maybe Nash doesn’t get hurt, HBK starts wrestling again. It could have been great.

[@franchaysi3844]

they shuda used the same angle they used in wcw but a lil more smarter bringin in new members slowly turning them heal

[@andrewvincent7299]

They should have had Hall and Nash return as Razor and Diesel and like you said slowly hint at then coming together with Hogan to reform the NWO. It was stupid and contrived for them to come together right off the bat. But that was WWE writing in 2002. Stupid and contrived. Also, having Hogan come back separate would have solved the problem of the fans turning him face. The fans and Hogan could have had their moment of welcoming him back and cheering the shit out of him. Then a major heel turn and teaming up with Hall and Nash again would have gotten so much heat and the Nwo could have gotten so much momentum again.

[@dildonius]

That made no sense though. Literally the whole entire POINT of the nWo (even though threats of a lawsuit forced them to downplay it) was that they were WWF stars that Vince had personally sent down south to invade/infiltrate WCW and destroy them from the inside out, bringing the Monday Night War straight to them and ratcheting it up to 11. THATS WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE! That's why all the members at first were former WWF superstars and why the secret "third member" was revealed to be none other than Hulk Hogan. Hogan literally WAS World Wrestling Federation! He was not only a WWF superstar, he was _THE_ WWF superstar. So who better to lead this invasion of WCW by insurgents sent by the WWF? And even beyond Hall, Nash, and Hogan, the initial members who joined them were folks who were former WWF superstars and were best known for their tenure there. Ted DiBiase, Rick Rude, Syxx (aka The 1-2-3 Kid aka X-Pac), Vincent (aka Virgil, DiBiase's manservant in WWF during the peak Hulkamania years), Randy Savage & Miss Elizabeth, Michael Wallstreet (aka IRS in WWF), Big Bubba Rogers (aka Big Boss Man in WWF), "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, Brian Adams (aka Crush/Kona Crush in WWF), The Disciple (better known for his WWF run as Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake...and also for being Hogan's biggest groupie/ bottom bitch/coattails-rider), Jeff Jarrett (an argument can be made for him being a WWF guy), and of course Bret Hart. So it doesnt logically follow for Vince McManon to FINALLY WIN the Monday Night War by beating WCW and ECW to death and then buying up what was left of them and absorbing it into the growing (and now publicly traded) WWF conglomerate, leaving WWF as the last remaining TRULY major league pro wrestling organization in the WORLD, a victory that was made possible in no small part by the nWo, the invaders/insurgents/saboteurs that they had sent to help dismantle WCW from within, and then - rather than bring the nWo boys back home to celebrate their victory and congratulate & reward them on a successful mission and job well done - he proceeds to bring them into the WWF (HIS ABSOLUTE BABY, HIS MOST CHERISHED CREATION) while acting as if they never had anything to do with WWF before, and orders them to systematically destroy WWF from within the same way they did to WCW for no discernible reason. Ridiculous. If anything, Hall, Nash, and Hogan should have come back to the WWF as the nWo, celebrate a mission accomplished at long last, and promptly disband the group as they had successfully done precisely what the group was explicitly created to do. Hogan goes back to being his old self (to a degree) now that he's back home in the WWF, and Hall and Nash do the only logical thing and join D-Generation X alongside their fellow Kilq-mates HHH and Shawn Michaels and X-Pac (once the latter two finally made their WWF/WWE returns shortly after Wrestlemania X-8, that is). And then you go from there. I'm sorry, but that's the best thing they could have done. Because you cant do nWo in the WWF! And why? Because that flies in the face of the nWo's central reason for existing in the first place!

[@patrickruth153]

I liked the wolfpac

[@freezhollywood]

They should’ve had HHH be the leader of the nWo and jus run the whole company being a dominant top heel wit as nWo is growing. Then for mania 19 he can fight Hogan or Austin for the strap. Really wasn’t that hard to save.

[@huffy6192]

The NWO was meant to be fizzled out by summer's end.

[@I41535D]

Yooooooo!!!!! If you were to work for WWE you would be a kiss ass! Fuck triple H Everything should not revolve around him, Suck his dick already, Always triple Whine crying (H)

[@foreverred105]

I'm glad HHH wasn't anywhere near the NWO

[@maxdecphoenix]

lol yea ok... people already say Vince favored his WWF alum in favor of WCW/ECW guys and I.P. so i could only imagine how much worse it would have been if he'd have given his WWF-famous Kiss-ass son-in-law 'leadership' of the fucking flagship, WCW intellectual property: the NWO. I mean jesus he was already having problems trying to placate the WCW fans who hung on after 2001... Something stupid like that would have turned off as many people as the finger-poke.

[@LaidBack--]

Something like that was actually the plan... they were getting rid of all members to bring the Kliq on screen, and triple H was joining... Nash getting hurt and Hall being released killed the angle which is why Vince just said there's no more NWO, and simply moved on.

[@XLordLeamingtonX]

Nash tore his quad just by these guys talking about him tearing it back in 2002.

[@fjccommish]

Nash's quad tore a quad.

[@mont-doggBeats]

Wolfpaq -hall, Nash, 6 pac (x-pac) of the Nwo and the original dx were basically two separate factions of the kliq

[@andrewisjesus]

It was already WWE at that point. In my opinion, WWE died the day the got the F out. Anything that says WWF, i can watch and enjoy. Once hunter became head of creative with his wife, and controlled his own push, the show became unwatchable, even to a KLIQ fan like myself. It is kinda like 2000 wcw, when i see that new logo, i know its probably shit. When i see WWE, i know it isnt very good. That isnt to say that everything they did after they made the transition was bad, it wasnt. Just the overall product wasnt very good and it started with the botched invasion.

[@kdawg1658]

They still WWF when the invasion happened they became wwe in 2002 but I agree the product went downhill after

[@ddust102]

Agreed!

[@clayp7284]

Love Scott Hall

[@boodattigerbait]

It became a sad angle after WrestleMania. It should’ve been Nash vs Austin at WrestleMania but both guys were past their prime at that point so I’m sure the match wouldn’t have been better than Austin vs Hall plus big Kev didn’t want to J.O.B. just yet wanting to repeat the initial NWO buildup in 1996-97 where they didn’t lose in the beginning.

[@My19812011]

Andrew Snell Nash wasn’t cleared for an in ring return as far as a match goes which is why he didn’t compete.

[@timothy4011]

Austin wasn’t past his prime at that point.

[@Chicagodog-tu1ek]

4:00 Wait for it...

[@Byzantine41]

Other than watching TNA until it got stupid starting around 2010 the WWE's botched NWO angle was my last time watching wrestling. They screwed up the NWO angle at Wrestlemania.

[@billshamrock449]

I don't think they thought that Hulk Hogan would have been over with the fans as much as he was. It was a last-minute change to turn Hogan baby face at WrestleMania because of the receptions he was getting from the crowd. I think NWO definitely still could have worked if Scott Hall didn't get fired and Nash tearing quad. The Original Wolfpac with Big Show would have worked. Booker T should of never been in the NWO.

[@garyliebler556]

Hogan getting pops doomed the nWo but WWE was so desperate to keep business afloat that they jumped right on the face turn. They could have slow played it by hinting that Hogan's heart wasn't 100% into it and Nash and Hall were pushing him along. Then when they try to push Hogan to put the death blow on a big name like Rock or Austin, he refuses and they attack him and kick him out.

[@thedarkknighttrilogycollec9465]

Hogan was smart to jump from the failing nWo angle at mania. With Hogan out, it ran on fumes until a DNR was signed

[@hbkslazyeye6916]

Nash always tears his quad probably first tore it walking down the ring

[@TheyMadeMonsters]

CoOl ViD! ;-o ! 👍 Crazy stuff!!!!!

[@kerpal321]

do you think the nwo ended because they didnt want to sleep with vince and pat any more

[@jacoblang5139]

Show was a "dub c dub" guy conrad at your dwindling it down to the click comment doesnt really make sense

[@jasonbowser5754]

It’s things like this when I call BS. The NWO was over as hell in WWE. But Vince hated that they were getting cheered as much or more than the baby faces so he killed the angel by turning Hogan baby face. NWO could have been huge.

[@poopsyko]

Jason Bowser hogan*not hall and Nash you mean

[@timothy4011]

Lol the crowd turned Hogan face at WM, you mark! This was a heel faction. Nash injury prone and Hall and his issues? It wasn’t going to last much longer.

[@jasonbowser5754]

@@timothy4011 I'm a mark? Did you watch No Way Out when they all came out? They were all treated as faces by the crowd. You don't pay attention, do you? Oh, and learn what mark means...rofl

[@davidreeves4556]

@@jasonbowser5754 lol

[@patrickruth153]

X-pack?

[@JayReaction530]

Why does Conrad say X pack souns like the newscasters after 2 pac died

[@salvagemonster3612]

Hogan being heel doesn’t work for WWF. I argued with a stone cold fan back in the day. He said stone colds merch sold more than hogans. Of course it did because of the internet. I said Hogan walking out in the gold trunks to I am a real American would get one of the biggest pops in WWF history. And when he did it popped!

[@chrisskalski7292]

The nwo needed to be formed in stealth instead paraded out to the ring by vinny mac. They needed to come through the crowd. It seems like a generic plot was laid out so the nwo would fizzle. Vin mac still got a good run or 2 out of hogan

[@maxdecphoenix]

that possibly could have worked. When all seems dire, Vince is about to lose his company to Ric Flair (WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo) suddenly the nwo arrive and start running rough-shod... seeing that he can exploit the situation he chicken-shit heels his way around the legalese always giving the nwo an advantage and punishing other wrestlers for similar infractions. i.e. stuff like coming up with excuses as to why he can't eject the nwo from the arena, while having police escort other wrestlers off premise. claiming he can't suspend nwo guys because the 'attacks' took place 'outside a sanctioned match' or outside of 'working hours', while suspending wrestlers for various other things to give nwo an advantage. Basically, have the nwo operate as a heel faction, but Vince is not directly involved as their 'leader' but is going above and beyond to 'help them' to get back at flair/shane/Stef etc.

[@andrecorreia848]

WWE never got what the nWo was! The nWo wasn’t just a stable. The nWo was an entity built by ex-WWF guys, that wanted to take a over a company (WCW) and start their own company with their roster. Therefore it could never be just 3 guys, or even 5, or even 7. You wouldn’t be able to reign in a company with only 3 or 7 guys. That’s why the nWo had a big roster! The main angle was to have an entire roster split in two, nWo and WCW and have them wrestling each other for supremacy and for the show’s control! So when I hear these WWF guys like Bruce Prichard, and even Vince, talking about how the nWo shouldn’t have been the way it was etc… It really gives me the whole clue on why the nWo failed in WWE. Just like WCW didn’t know what to do with a Bret Hart, WWE didn’t have a clue on what to do with the nWo.

[@yukmouth2009]

Why Xpac don't wrestle anymore

[@roy12525]

Last I heard of him, he tore his asshole while taking a move.

[@chosento2988]

Having Hall lose to Austin at mania totally ruined the push.... Austin acted like a spoiled BRATT at the end of that match how he walked out like he didn't care...lost All respect for him then!

[@billshamrock449]

Everytime he says X-Pack though lol

[@donbrewer3904]

Right? LMAO.

[@maxdecphoenix]

i never knew if waltman's name was supposed to be after 2-pac or a play on 6-pack (because he had a bad drinking problem). Kinda goes with the 6-ball on his old WCW nwo stuff but even that i thought was a veiled reference to 8-balls of cocaine. Though if i remember right, I think it was Henan used to take great strides to call him x'pack back in the wcw days

[@billshamrock449]

@@maxdecphoenix Waltman was not called X-Pac in Wcw. He was called 6 and sometimes 6-pac because he was the 6th member of the NWO. It wasn't until he went back to WWF and joined DX that he was called X-Pac

[@billshamrock449]

@@maxdecphoenix and i think it was after 2-pac because he had thug and notorious written on his ring gear back then

[@maxdecphoenix]

@@billshamrock449 I probably knew that at one point, but didn't mean enough to remember. I could care even less now that i don't even watch any wrestling. I was never impressed by waltman in the... 6 or so years he was working in WCW/WWF where he wasn't too drunk or high to not work the two matches i saw.

[@benriosa6190]

Really disappointed with the wwe writers and bookers with the nwo. The major angle that revitalised and majorly brought in new fans and sparked the monday night wars and wwe couldn’t make it work. Nwo could have taken over wwe and we could have had an internal war similar to wcw. The cancer that vince injected to kill off the wwe could have been amazing. Its a shane because you wont see it on the network but hogan coming out to voodoo child and the mashup of hendrix songs for the nwo theme were iconic.

[@AWard2184]

How big of a pop would there have been if they brought back Hall as Razor instead?

[@danlc95]

illinoisanthunder - The Hendrix entrance made NWO boring as fuck.

[@EGarrett01]

You do realize that the nWo "taking over" WCW resulted in WCW being bankrupt within 3 years, right? When you let heels walk all over the faces and never lose or blow it off, the fans leave and don't come back.

[@MedalWelder]

The end of the nWo happened in 1998.everything after that could be considered necrophilia

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

Nash's injury wasn't bad luck, it's called wear and tear. Big guys like that have an especially short shelf life, like Yao Ming or Rik Smits.

[@jamesbyersmusic]

I think if the WWF/E's version of the nWo was JUST Nash, Hall & X-Pac with Shawn Michaels as the mouthpiece then it could have worked really well. But of course Hall had his problems, and adding Big show, Booker T and Goldust was just awful!

[@jakelang806]

so was adding mid carders in dub ya c dub ya

[@yoholmes273]

I was there the day the NWO ended with Vinces opening RAW promo & that is where the dreaded concept of " The General Manager " was created & Bischoff debuted. *Fun Fact* the main event to that RAW was RVD & Flair vs Undertaker & Lesnar. Flair was a bump machine that night & the finish involved Brock turning on Taker starting their legendary fued. Also it was the first time ever over many months since his debut that Brock himself actually spoke. - Now NWO didnt work from WWE from the get go. First, Kevin Trash was always hurt & couldnt work. Hall was still a fall down drunk & couldnt hack even his super light travel schedule. And of course they turned Hogan face too soon for the group to have legs. Next then introduce Booker effin T in the NWO which was absolutely preposterous knowing his WCW history. Then with HBK coming in as NWO it just make the whole thing a total joke. Waltman & Big Show were great additions to the WWE NWO but it was far little too late. Also to debut Bischoff AFTER The entire NWO angle was completed was totally perplexing timing as why not bring him in early as the groups defacto figurehead as he was prior in WCW. Vince was talking about injecting poison & there is no greater poison than Eric Bischoff.

[@BFB1687]

Hall had actually gotten sober before they were brought in. He got back into wrestling form and was ready. It wasn't until the finish for Mania was changed last minute that hurt him and he slipped. To say he was "still a fall down drunk" is not correct.

[@randyhartford1909]

Steve Ray was in the nwo so it does make sense from that but I didn't know that

[@mrbobevans]

Kevin was always a better basketball player than wrestler. If it were for injuries, he would have been an NBA all-star for many years. He never had the passion for wrestling that he had for basketball

[@willmarkley4237]

The nWo was dead Hogan was jumped and turned face after Wrestlemania. Yes Nash getting hurt and Hall's problems would have killed it but booked a different way where Vince doesn't worry about the cheers and lets Hogan stay heel and the frontman and he's using his henchmen even if they were different people to go after Austin and the Rock and anyone else getting cheered they could have gotten a solid year or 2 out of it. That said the Hogan nWo bit had long ago staled in WCW so it couldn't be him dominating the show again but I would argue why did he go nWo heel in 96? People had had enough of the red and yellow. His run in WWF\E was never the same either. Just nostalgia matches but nothing serious. He and the nWo died the same night.

[@martynstembridge7714]

They should have kept them away from actual in-ring matches for a while ... and just had them screwing around back stage and messing with other matches and individuals ... The story was Vince seeing them as a 'poison' ... so it would have made more sense to use them as annoying pests ... each week create some funny and cool videos of them destroying stuff, or jumping other wrestlers just to beat them up ...

[@timothy4011]

They screwed around with people backstage in real life.

[@rickysoto3256]

Nwo in wwe was ok not like nwo in wcw

[@poopsyko]

Ricky Soto cause it had run it’s course a long time Ago at that point even,Hogan even left and returned to the red and yellow,when I first seen the NWO join wwe I wondered why the Hell Hogan was there?????he left them a long time ago In wcw!

[@thewickedone2676]

Nash sounds like he was a massive crybaby back in the day. Always threatening to take his ball and go home. I would've told him to go, he's overrated. No one would care.

[@timothy4011]

That could lead to his other boys walking out. Glad you aren’t in charge of anything.

[@thewickedone2676]

@@timothy4011 His other boys? Like who, crackheads Hall and Waltman? Oh well. I mean, at least they could actually wrestle, which is more than can be said for Nash and Hogan.

[@fjccommish]

NOW never started in WWF.

[@nicholasfarrell8403]

NOW?

[@fjccommish]

@@nicholasfarrell8403 LOL out loud. nWo. If Hogan, Hall, and Nash had shown up dressed like women, it could be NOW.

[@unforgivn81]

Bruce hates answering any question with more than a few words, doesn't he?

[@billshamrock449]

NWO wolfpac?? Um the original Wolfpac was Scott Hall Kevin Nash and Syxx. And none of the guys from the although popular but in my opinion poorly executed NWO wolfpac part deux was even in WWE at that time.

[@lookintothecrystalball4588]

What!? Hogan leaving the NWO was a big hit? I thought it sucked the moment he joined. He was too old to join in my opinion. I dunno what he brought to it beside being the antithesis of cool.

[@feeyukyou7416]

Bruce knows! The real reason! He had Shawn kick out Booker T. From the nWo. Unfortunately and I definitely don't agree! But they gave him the boot. Because he was blaxk!

[@QuentinDude]

Booker T should of never been in the nWO and they should of really axed the idea when Hogan was being cheered too much hand Hall and Nash wer'ent going to work out due to various problems/injuries.

[@Iconhulk]

Steve Austin's character was boring and overrated. Never finished one whole beer..

[@vicmagnificent1595]

Iconhulk what a disservice to Coors light

[@beardedgoon7864]

Your boring and underrated

[@the-NightStar]

You are objectively wrong and you are a fucking idiot. Fuck your worthless opinion and fuck you.

[@sliderx1897]

ᵗʰᵉNight★Star im pretty sure it was a joke dude

[@Cazz8203]

@@the-NightStar don't be such a fuckin bitch

[@tomwalker389]

What a dumpster fire.

[@jacoblang5139]

So basically Shane is a pushover

[@DouglasFelts]

If we were to title this episode properly 2022 style we would title it.... "The second coming of bookerdust and how to make an NWO PG shake and fail miserably doing it."