Brush Chaining to Improve Elk Habitat

[@Watts85af]

I wanna see them load the chain back on the trailer

[@drlu3823]

they can pull that together pile it up and use the 2 dozers , one of them pushes it to the other spoon or idk what's it called and he can easily lift it to the truck with the dozer

[@epycadventures]

facts

[@wazalee4872]

push a pit for your low loader push it on , rough yes work yes 1 man job

[@lucymuttdmire1008]

"Chaining," was a common practice in Michigan in the 1950's & 1960. Most of Interstate 75 from Flint north to the Soo was cleared this way in the initial phase, this after the marketable timber was cut by chainsaw and removed. Then the contractor brought two D9H crawler tractors to hook up and drag everything else down. They used surplus Battleship anchor chain, probably about 100 yards of it with two big 8000 pound wrecking ball hooked to the middle of the chain for extra weight.. Only one pass was needed. No tinker toys for these fella's! This method was also used by -RG LeTourneau in South America and Jungle regions in both regions.

[@pontiacsuperchief9532]

I'm glad I was sitting down when the gentleman said it was a "new" method. My dad tells me stories of chaining by the Grand Canyon in the 1950s.

[@yardfowl3149]

they need to use this method in city's like LA, San Francisco and Portland......

[@jasongumiela5399]

Chicago

[@meyou245]

Clean the streets right up!

[@idontgotnothin]

Do you think about liberals all day?

[@2bigbufords]

Detroit too

[@creeplife2802]

Lol I said this in a different video.

[@piggywiggy1820]

Super happy to see y'all are using methods that don't introduce nasty chemicals into the ecosystem

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Send in the goats

[@xTheJmanChannel]

What about the twiddly widdlies

[@ZaelGaming]

We used goats in Afghanistan around our F.O.B. in no mans land... the place in between two fences. Some call it a kill line.

[@tabcreedence6553]

@@xTheJmanChannel yeah what about the twiddly widdlies?

[@Drottninggatan2017]

Put up a sign saying goat viewing area. Have the tourists pay for looking at them. Problem solved.

[@Squrrillyadams]

Give my grandpa a couple of joints and let him loose with his bush hog tractor and he’d have it cleaned and leveled before the end of the day.

[@davidbean9700]

Beetle Juice this comment made me laugh way to hard🤣

[@k9man163]

Badass 😂

[@martinkennedy603]

This really did seem ineffective.

[@joewearsadroolbib7347]

A couple of joints??? Sorry to hear that grandpa is missing his joints. Is it hard for him to move around? How does he get on the brush hog, without his two joints? Do you help him?

[@feralgoat6885]

Are you my Grandson😄?

[@madmax3588]

Over here to Australia we use a chain easily 6 times that chain that brings down large trees but is also heavy enough to smash the small ones

[@48retrop]

The U.S Army used that very technique back in the mid to late 60s in Vietnam. They used OD Green D8s with a Rhome plow on the front with the chains on the back and dragged through the jungle. The Army called them Land Clearing Companies. Tough job because the troops that did the work would work all day long and then way into the night repairing their tractors and equipment. Besides all that the VC would try to kill you all day long.

[@trencher325]

Interesting information, Thanks!

[@gordboyko769]

A couple d8’s or 9’s with root rake blades would do it more efficiently and you can stack up the brush as you remove it to burn after .

[@Bayou_Russ]

True but more time consuming and use more fuel

[@carllagle1090]

Dumbarse !!!

[@Sojourning_]

you need way larger link chain. that's baby stuff. I did it in Vietnam, pulling down trees, ticking off land mines.

[@AlphaChimpEnergy]

It’s great to see elk herds being re-introduced. Hopefully in a few decades we have massive beards roaming out mountains. We’ll need future generations of hunters to keep the genetics strong.

[@deerepower337]

18000 lb chain on a trailer that is rated at 14k and ideally only good for 12k

[@rtwllc4793]

Yeah i noticed that too. But they don't have to comply with dot laws.

[@everready19373]

Yea but each dozer is pulling 1/2 of the weight, right?

[@clownrock9558]

@@everready19373 The dozers aren't pulling it while on the trailer.

[@joesamsally]

@@clownrock9558 but the dozers will catch it if the wheels blow out on the trailer mid transport, obviously, what else is the cup hand for comon

[@funnyyylock]

@@rtwllc4793 Who told you that? DOT will step in if youve got some insanely overloaded trailer. Probably not in this case.

[@bobbyharper8710]

I used a Caterpillar D 7 with a shear blade to clear brush. Cuts down everything with one pass.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

You don't think they know that? Of course they do. That would take forever and a day. You got to use a method that can cover acreage at speed. A dozer with a shear is great for private landowners, but just too slow.

[@ghcatzen]

I would go to America for this job ! Greets from Austria

[@johnanderson2451]

Come on, you said that magic word

[@dgrn101]

That was a very very very generous donation

[@bigdave-vm3lx]

My buddy "K9" used this method in Vietnam to clear land around the tunnels of Cu Chi,ship chain dragged by 2 Rome plows

[@tanberetO]

Cu Chi. 25ID A CO. 2/27 Wolfhounds.

[@ArnoldsDesign]

I'm also in an elk viewing habitat in NW PA. I have this same issue with olives overtaking my upper fields. Where the lower fields were mowed years ago by renters, the olives didn't have a chance to take hold. I plan to use a forestry mulcher to remove the upper field olives. I've been using a heavy duty rake on my bucket to uproot them, but it takes forever and is hard on the tractor. The ones I have removed, I have moved into large piles for cottontail habitat.

[@tyvernon9422]

Forestry mulching is the fastest/most effective way to go now days.

[@deepmarsh]

Removing the root system is the most effective way to go.

[@billy-zx10r]

i clear land for a living, i use dozers, excavators, skid steers ect. ill never go the mulching way.

[@integr8er66]

@@billy-zx10r I think it depends heavily on the soil type. When you have as much rock in the clay as I do mulching works pretty well, but I assume by mulching he meant a carbide drum shredder

[@billy-zx10r]

@Steven Goodnight So here’s my opinion on it if you’re just wanting to clear just to see a little better i could see it. But you’re not really clearing the land you’re just clearing the top and you still have all the roots and stumps below the ground you can’t pull a plow through it if you want to do a garden all the wood chips take a while to deteriorate. clearing with a track hoe you can pluck everything up and at the end you can drag a plow or whatever you want to do or plant grass.

[@captaincaveman471]

@Mac McLovin Really big cable might be better.

[@Lauterbach24]

They use this method in Australia as well.

[@napalm3899]

Except the chain is upside down and they use kangaroos instead of bulldozers.

[@dauntlesspk8807]

Explains the fire

[@rustyredneck6781]

Old timers used to do this in south Texas to clear brush. It's pretty effective

[@makapalatrace8385]

Funny how the same people that thought it was a good idea to introduced this plant now realize how destructive it is and want to get rid of it. I’m from the government and I’m here to help???

[@ItssssJack]

What's funny is the government agency in charge of doing this was doing so to help farmers and private companies. Unfortunately this is what happens when you put profit over public interest :/

[@dilloncwwaters4442]

How is that funny? Everything you said made sense lol. They realized it was destructive and want to get rid of it, where’s the funny?

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

Introduction of nonnative species in the past wasn’t always a government initiated thing. A lot of times it was industry initiated

[@jamesfowley4114]

Birds love it. It was originally imported to encourage grouse and other birds. I use my brush hog and tiller to get rid of it.

[@VODZ]

@@dilloncwwaters4442 Its funny because governing bodies do more harm when "trying to help". They are completely incompetent at what they are supposed to manage. Most problems and issues in society can be traced back to a government program.

[@zman783]

It is amazing how powerful dozer is.

[@phillipcoiner4232]

They should use a mulcher and then use fire management. Fire management is the key.

[@TheWildernessChannel]

This technique has been used extensively in southern Africa as a conservation measure to remove encroaching vegetation. It is quite effective if done properly and with a good knowledge of the ecology of an area.

[@patrickbaitman8336]

Andrew Camarata: "I just got this new chain attachment"

[@GenYGaming]

Hell i didn't even know elk lived in Kentucky..

[@r.awilliams9815]

They re-introduced elk in 1997 and it's turned out to be a very successful program. Elk population exceeds 13,000 now.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Largest herds of elk East of the Rockies

[@daveblevins3322]

Well, I'll say this; when I worked in Alaska, in 2001, my radio tower crew observed a herd of about 40 elk one day on an island enroute to our tower site, and I asked: " Are elk native to Alaska?" They said: " no". As we finished our work that day, on flying back to our base, those elk were fording the passage returning to Canada. ( Got permission to follow them later). Yep, by tag number they went back to the northern Rockies. Fed gubmint thought it was a good plan to transplant the elk, but they swam home. I just think we shouldn't mess with natural habitat. Food chain, predators, circle of life etc, If you're into hunting, especially for your family, then you should be willing to travel to the elk herds. I enjoy hunting, fishing, camping etc, but I'm all about leaving the critters in their own habitat. 👌

[@KaPPy83]

Elk used to live across the us

[@emilstalzer8553]

Been trying for years in Pennsylvania with not much success ,wonder why ?

[@kyledespain5247]

Works well out west in Arizona. It’s not all desert and saguaro cactuses. Northern Arizona has a need for it

[@mikespooner63]

Send Andrew Camerata in there with his skid steer mounted bush hog wouldve been alot better option.. this is a waste of time. Well we got this here free donated chain might as well use it. Brilliant.

[@Irespecktyouall]

It's been working for the past 20 years down here, what the hell are you talking about?

[@TheIowaXperience]

Totally works.

[@bpdp379]

LOL. Guess some folks don’t watch Andrew’s videos....Mike I’m picking up what you are laying down.

[@anthonyoer4778]

@@Irespecktyouall a 20 year program? To get rid of a plant... In 100 years will you be saying the same thing?

[@mikemcdonald2755]

I used to do this through burn areas from forest fires with a D9

[@trevodanderson9766]

A d9 a little over kill

[@futurerichboyj7291]

No you didn’t

[@suntzu5836]

@@trevodanderson9766 Go big or go home.....Rome Plow anyone!

[@jamief7079]

Keep up the good work boys

[@ericharwood1047]

Just come to oregon, if you drive around long enough you can view an elk on the hood of your car

[@elonmust7470]

As a long time Oregon resident, I can concure, especially on 101 & 5 in the southern half of the state.

[@shotgunbettygaming]

Up here in WA they INTENTIONALLY planted Scotch Broom along the highway thinking it would help shore up the dirt islands for the constant rain here. Over the last 6 years (since I moved here) I've watched it creep across the landscape and destroy everything it touches. It breaks my heart. Whomever is responsible for that decision should be fired and flogged publicly imo.

[@jeptoungrit9000]

The geniuses with advanced degrees never learn. Don't import invasive species, you simply have no idea how it will turn out.

[@creeplife2802]

Waterboarded

[@woolliehead]

hey have been doing this on a large scale for years in outback Australia

[@bheilveil]

GOATS, GOATS, GOATS

[@jaimebanchs2453]

Cool keep up the good work..thank you for your service..

[@devinschneider2395]

never seen this before, really cool. i’m a directional drill operator and now i wanna do this 😂

[@lifesshort69]

Elk love a area that has been chained. The first time I hunted a area that was chained I was amazed at how many elk head there to feed

[@bobbates6642]

Try attaching some small plow anchors to the chain so they dig in as the chain moves along

[@vincebarton5118]

I run a forestry mulcher and do a lot of this but didn't the forestry or dnr bring this and the that damn wild rose in to the United states.

[@soonerfan745]

A forestry mulcher would have been my first choice and would have probably cleared the area better for sure. Inefficient multiple passes and then you have plants/trees down that you will need to do a controlled burn on later.

[@bruceglover7867]

Chain works. Worked with RMEC when I was younger. Awesome stuff. Oh, the elk sound happy.

[@herefishyfishy6907]

Why not put a weighted keel on the middle of the chain that works like a subsoiler to keep the chain grounded?

[@randallcammack6932]

There is more than enough gravity in that chain

[@RoAdSiCkZoMbIe]

@@randallcammack6932 Oh, so that little sapling that bent over and lifted the chain is a liar? I guess I didn't see that happen. Thanks for your expert knowledge.

[@dennisbanks706]

@@randallcammack6932 how much gravity would you say the chain has exactly?

[@dustywelchcraneman6614]

Well alot of times they will go one direction and lay the trees down one way then go the other and pit will basically pop every up.

[@dustywelchcraneman6614]

That and in australia they do it where one dozer goes a few hundred feet then stops then the other one goes to catch up then the other one and it kind of uses a sawing motion

[@martyshannon7542]

I saw this done in Tooele County Utah.

[@ryanwebb9099]

Waste of money. Doesn’t kill the autumn olive. Makes them pissed off

[@ellismidkiff6117]

I think you just got to go over a few times

[@ellismidkiff6117]

Maybe

[@bake257]

An infestation this bad will continue for years because there is seed in the soil just waiting to grow. They need to use herbicide followed by prescribed fire followed by more herbicide. It will keep coming back

[@brettvibbert5001]

it'd be better to use the dozer as it was intended and push it out and into piles then burn everything and bury what's left

[@ridecaptain1]

root rake

[@michaelofsc4143]

Yea use a dozer pulling a Roma chopper, then no burning required.

[@twizz420]

They should just buy those minesweeping tanks with the spinning chains. They're cheap AF used because nobody else wants them

[@RaneBane]

@@michaelofsc4143 burning for pot ash it's a win win

[@theeasternfront6436]

Did you listen to the video?

[@JustMike2791]

Looks like a fantastic excuse to play with Tonka toys to me.

[@markkurtis8637]

Please follow up, on this same site, over the next three years, showing the different stages of change.

[@T-1001]

Hey! Those guys stole my bike lock!

[@coocookachoo2806]

Messenger in NYC?

[@_Mr.Black_]

I found one of these chains abandon in the woods while shed hunting. Wish I could take it home but I could hardly lift a single link

[@bd8026]

You need a dozer blade rake for digging up roots. Then all that’s left behind is clean dirt.

[@jrhorsley5467]

That chain isn’t getting rid of those things, that the KYDFW planted to start with. They planted tons of those trees back in the 90’s. If any of the root is left it will grow back. It’s the kudzu of the tree world.

[@HubertofLiege]

Government money. What can’t it do?

[@smiliebean2267]

Been done in Australia for a long long time clearing land for cattle and sheep

[@TombstoneHeart]

A "new technique"? What's new about it? We've been clearing bush land here in the Great Southern Land with dozers and anchor chains for about 70 years now. Sometimes the empty ball of an old sea mine would be filled with concrete and fixed in the centre of the chain line to stop the chain from riding up over the trees.

[@DustinBKerensky97]

They do this out here in the west but they don't do it to invasive species, they do it to native plants. And the forest ecologists that study it say it's not helping the native ungulates. It's just an excuse to clear cut trees to turn it into cattle grazing (and even then it usually re-grows with invasive cheat grass which is increasing the amount of fires out here).

[@nitetrane98]

They have literally no idea if this will work. They will simply adjust their expectations low enough to call it wildly successful.

[@jimmartin7881]

That's how any govt. operation works, the DEC is basically clueless on both state and federal levels.

[@oe542]

Soon as I saw it I thought, not enough chain, not enough tractor and not the right topography for this but...... it was nearly free so I guess it is what it is.

[@marshallkinslow7653]

They said in the beginning of video, it works out west,so why not give it a shot?

[@seregill13]

@@marshallkinslow7653 They literally only did it because they got a free chain

[@ffjsb]

@@seregill13 AND free use of the dozers.

[@GizmoGuzman0924]

I want to see prisoners working those field rehabilitation through hard work

[@carlbossert6888]

36” dia steel casing 16” tall behind chained to a 4wheeler works for making paths to deer stands too

[@davidlockyer]

Use a roller chopper on a bulldozer we use them in Australia 😊❤

[@whataboutbob7967]

I think a brush blade would work way better. We use them in oregon all the time for clearing land.

[@macflyguy5166]

Weld on little hooks to each link so it catches the brush better......💥

[@ArgentinianBattleChicken]

Love it! Bringing back nature using dozers!

[@adamrodgers9175]

Be surprised how many plants in North America don't actually belong here

[@copisetic1104]

We do this to sagebrush in Idaho

[@hadleyroper6743]

There’s a spot in Utah south of sand mountain that was overgrown with juniper trees and they cleared miles of ground for grazing in the 50 s and 60 s using this method

[@pontiacsuperchief9532]

My dad did a lot of chaining on the Arizona Strip just south of St. George.

[@braydenlejeune1811]

Wouldn't it be a better and cleaner out come if you just use skid steers with multcher?

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

Was this all strip mined back in the day? Was the what the reference to bulldozers and earth movers disturbing the landscape about at 4:46?

[@1_fishin_magician153]

Elk in KY......thumbs up !!

[@seskylighter]

Another random vid. The algorithm did not disappoint.

[@hstetser5376]

Wouldn't a root rake on front end loader work? They use that often on Brazilian pepper here in Florida often

[@ffjsb]

Did you not pay attention to how wide a swath they can do it one pass???

[@SmoshOfy]

Like threading, or epilating.. Smart. Get the root.

[@troymeredith9528]

Heavier chain or weights would help.rechain it when the first sign of regrowth happens .

[@MotoDeSoto]

I wanted to see how they loaded that chain back on the trailer. 😳

[@worchest2039]

knuckle boom crane and a cable sling

[@Vieledspy]

My best guess is scoop it up with the bucket and drop it on

[@mnshp7548]

brush cutter attachment, faster, more effective and probably less fuel

[@craigsteinman9807]

That's cool. Though I did not know there was elk in the eastern part of the USA. Does anybody know if there is elk in the NE part of the country

[@glennkreisher8535]

Theres elk in Pennsylvania

[@MrSwampdawg47]

I would consider looking into a drum chopper

[@football4z]

Ever heard of this neat invention called a brush hog?

[@shotgunbettygaming]

You donating one?

[@jasonhash3172]

Think a frayed cable with the chain might bite more of the brush use razor ribbon it cuts everything within 10 yards of the shit

[@4bikeregistry]

Going to need a bigger chain.

[@lonzo0199]

Add a few plates that'll act like a chain on a chain saw they'll grab or rip the the whole bush up

[@pdunc1976]

the sea bees used smaller dozers than these on the island hopping campaign and just pushed the jungle into a pile.they used big tree trunks for fortifications and the rest for cooking fuel.this deal here is a waste of time and money.

[@TBreezy17]

Pretty cool

[@shexdensmore]

Is forestry mulching too slow?

[@justinprice9590]

If you leave one root I mean a hair of a root it will come back I got a small farm in the south east part of kentuck and I have tryed every thang to get rid of these you can't uproot them you can't burn them and chemicals won't kill them

[@ffjsb]

If you keep mowing once you knock it down and kill most of it off, it will at least control it. With a small farm you can selectively root it out over time.

[@bake257]

Cut and immediately apply glysophate to the stump

[@newmexicojoe5443]

The dozers would have to go slow to keep the chain weight from riding up over the scrub. Seems it would be faster to have ripper teeth on the blade (pointing down) to catch the roots and use the dozers more effectively, and faster. Looks like you leave a tangled mess behind. Pile the scrub and burn it. Then dress the area again with the dozers before seeding. All I see is an inefficient use of machinery and time, that leaves a harder to clean mess. Do it right the first time. This is all about dollars and sense.

[@theeasternfront6436]

That much work is expensive. If you listen they said they chain it, seed it, then burn it. The fire cleans up the upturned plants. Prior seeding means the desirable grasses come back.

[@imchris5000]

this would work better with a heavier chain that one is still light

[@atVVV1]

Or attach more lengths to it. Those crawlers could pull 4 loops like that, easily. Then the brush gets assaulted 4 times on each pass....

[@ffjsb]

Well why don't you just pull some heavier chain out of your garage and give it too them... SMH.

[@mikisi9694]

I didn’t know elk lived so Far East

[@elonmust7470]

They don't. Small relatives did way back but we're hunted out. Real elk are still west of the Mississippi.

[@malcomgrey4567]

Needs the round weight in the middle of the chain to any good

[@g.m.fallon3135]

That will burn, wait for a good weather window later in the spring when the fuel moisture is lower. Reintroduction of fire is manpower intensive but yields excellent results.

[@MattThermer]

they do burns regularly here in western WI, also managed grazing and timber harvesting. Never seen this kind of technique used but I guess if the land has been left too long without management it's an option.

[@vincentlaguardiagambini5702]

Bobcat with a brush grinder would be 10x more effective, wouldn't impact the desirable plants, and be less costly.

[@paulnorberg3869]

The chain needs some striker antitank spikes wedged into the links here and there. Really tear it up.

[@txrockerusa1st862]

If ya'll welded small rectangular pieces to sides of links it might be more effective.

[@nathanswartz5824]

Tracked skid steer with a mower head would remove that real quick and could all be hauled on a single trailer pulled by a 3/4 ton truck. Lot easier than two dozers and a big chain.

[@keng1197]

Scorched Earth policy with out the scorch 🤣

[@justus1995]

„Relatively new technique“... like 70 years

[@TheBrushcutter]

Yep, I had to laugh when I read that in the description. New where? This has been around for decades.

[@randallhoggard4328]

@@TheBrushcutter I saw my cousin do this on mesquite trees in Archer and Clay Counties Texas when I was about eight years old. I am 67.

[@marshallkinslow7653]

Said it was new to the area and new for this department

[@wazalee4872]

pulling scrub like this is not new, they needed bigger tractors and chain , granddad used surplus ww2 tanks and 50 to 60 ton of chain just after the war, till other tractors became available, my grandfather even used a large steel ball in the center of the chain for larger trees to be pulled, but good to see it put to enhance habitat, pulling scrub like this is still on going to clear open pasture and crop land world wide

[@MrPhotodoc]

Would this work on wild Honeysuckle?

[@gunzandzombiez]

0:30? This technique has been around for decades.

[@thesteelstud3610]

Wouldn't doubt they've been doing it aslong as theres been bulldozers and 2 inch thick chain.

[@mwgrc]

Unless your a rabbit, Their like WtF is a ship doing dropping anchor here!!! Run Peter Run

[@andythorton611]

need to weld a bunch of 6" spikes randomly throughout that chain so it stays tucked under the dirt

[@jamesk641]

Hey something else we do here in Texas that's even more effect is controlled burns. You guys are about 3 decades late to the party, LOL

[@lead5s]

they need to do that to bradford pear trees and privet too