Brutally Honest Coffee Machine Opinons - Moccamaster Bonavita Mr Coffee Ninja Redline

[@DannyPops]

amzn.to/3AW8ELp $250 for the moccamaster for black friday deals not bad (affiliate link here since I make all my own stuff un-sponsored)

[@christinamo7]

I have had a mocamaster for I don't know - 7-8 years. I have the model with a thermal carafe. it is one of the best purchases I've made. so good. so consistent.

[@trendyfly]

Form and function.

[@arichman35]

I’ve had mine for two years now, also with a thermal carafe. I love it.

[@gosman949]

I've had mine for over 15 years and had to send it in once for a $60 repair. Excellent. You do need to stir the grinds a bit to get full extraction and I imagine this couple knew nothing about doing that!

[@allieoakly]

LOVE mine!! (Mpccamaster that is)

[@walterconrad887]

@grossman949 why should you have to store the coffee grounds. At $300. It should be able to .make a perfect cup.

[@MissSandraK]

I LOVE my Mccamaster and it did change my life! It constantly delivers a great cup of coffee, never bitter. It will be my coffee maker forever! Oh, and the company stands behind its product!

[@gosman949]

yes they do stand behind their product and is cheap to repair and there is a US location I believe in Washington or Oregon.

[@westeagle00]

Just bought one -I'll be returning it. Feels flimsy and I get more flavour from my cheap coffee maker. I wanted to like it, but for the price -big disappointment.

[@Meyerc-yv2bi]

@@westeagle00 I returned my Mocamaster. Cheap product and terrible tasting coffee. What a disappointment ! Bought the Bonavita, although a slightly different model than is used in the video. The best tasting coffee I've ever had!

[@KD-fu8ob]

The wobbly lid on the MM means you do not have the arm all the way in. Push it a tiny bit more in and no more wobble.

[@Domme857]

This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact kzbin.infoUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.

[@JohnDoe-xr5is]

I have the mini Bonavita. Before brewing, I always put hot tap water in the carafe to pre-heat it.

[@thepizzaveteran]

The price for the Technivorm gets you consistency, reliability, longevity and great design. I sold my Breville Precision Brewer and bought the Moccamaster 2 years ago and I am so happy that I did.

[@jack1208]

At 13:40-45, is that coffee she’s pouring off Bona Vita carafe? It looks very clear like you know, 😊 water

[@Channelofdk]

lol best cup of hot water with cream

[@josephhargrove4319]

Some comments from someone who has been grinding his own coffee since the early 1970's: 1) don't use a scoop, weigh out your beans for a single brewing before grinding. You'll figure out the weight you want per pot (or cup) and your coffee will be more consistent. 2) If you use a reusable "gold" filter basket, you'll have fine sediment in your coffee. This isn't a problem for some, it is for others. 3) I gave up on glass carafes shortly after insulated steel carafes came on the market. The insulated carafes don't require a burner plate and all its associated problems (and bad coffee). 4) I have to have a maker that makes 50+ oz. of coffee. It's the reason I've never considered getting a Bonavita, though I think I would otherwise love it. 5) If you have a coffee maker that makes coffee you like, stick with it. Same for beans and grind. There are no hard and fast rules, just technique and preference. Small changes in technique can produce noticeable changes in the cup. Preferences are so personal that you may hate the coffee I love and vice versa. richard -- "Forget mysterious dark matter and the inexplicable accelerating expansion of the universe; the bicycle represents a far more embarrassing hole in the accomplishments of Physics." - Michael Brooks, Quantum Physicist

[@jeromedenis4754]

But you never tested the OXO 8 cup. I just bought it because it's got everything on it I wanted and many, many very positive reviews. Also many people have upgraded from the Bonavita which over time they had issues with. Everyone who'd purchased the OXO 8 cup really liked or loved it. I do too! Best coffee maker I've ever owned by far.

[@DannyPops]

I'll have to see if I can grab it for cyber Monday

[@sollym7263]

@@deerhealer6193 hmm this has not been my experience, I wonder if your machine has a heating issue. I’d get a replacement if I were you. I can’t find any negatives and have had mine for 3 years now, still working great. Only thing I need to upgrade is a better Burr grinder, still rock’n cuisine art’s which has worked fine, gets the job done, just not as evenly ground as I’d like.

[@sollym7263]

Just measured the temp on a fresh brew in the carafe a min. After it finished. 183 deg F.

[@DannyPops]

@Solly M if it's in the carafe, that may be the cooled temp or if it's fresh drippings it should probably be a bit hotter?

[@KonaGal]

My maker lasted a short time till the basket hinge broke and never able to make another cup of coffee

[@pschroeter1]

I have the 5 cup version of the Bonavita. I hated the metal carafe and screwing on the lid and having to do something with the brewer basket right away. I now love my Bonavita since I bought a glass carafe for it. I love seeing the coffee and coffee level through the glass and sort of use the brewer basket as a lid to help keep the coffee warm.

[@Dogsnark]

I agree. I prefer the glass carafe for those same reasons. Also, the metal carafe really needs to be rinsed with hot water before brewing to bring it to temp. Unless you’re going to have your coffee sit around for awhile before pouring, I don’t see the advantage of the metal carafe.

[@pschroeter1]

@@Dogsnark It I remember correctly, the first metal carafe I had leaked and I told Bonavita and they sent me a new one, which I still didn't like for the reasons I mentioned.

[@oldfilmguy9413]

I have a Bonavita that has lasted over 10 years and still makes a great cup of coffee. I do the cleaning cycle once a year or so, use filtered water every time, and it has been flawless.

[@kingcormack8004]

Same here. Going on year 7.

[@concernedspouse8724]

I've had my Technivorm for close to ten years so I feel good with my purchase. I have the thermal carafe model. Still is a good coffee maker. My daughter wanted the Ninja, to replace one she had so I got her that one. But it only lasts about a year, so in three years I would have paid for my Technivorm.

[@veronicareider5999]

I too have had my MoccaMaster now for 12 years…every day I have a great brewed cup of coffee. Not one issue except for having to replace my glass carafe due to an accidental drop in the sink. Definitely higher than most but will last you for years.

[@authalic]

I have had two Moccamasters and two of the Bonavita models over the past 15 years, and I agree that they're both very good. The main differences are cost (the Moccamaster is occasionally on sale) and usability. I like being able to stir the grounds while the Moccamaster is starting, and the carafe has a pour-through lid. You mentioned nearly all of the hassles that annoyed me most about the Bonavita. Screwing the lid on and pressing the thumb lever every time you finish a batch and pour a cup seems like an unnecessary nuisance when you're brewing 2+ pots per day, every day. I just want to pour it out and go, if I'm not leaving coffee in the carafe. And while the lid is on, the carafe won't fit under the brew basket, which means you need to unscrew the lid in order to store the carafe on the machine for storage. My older Bonavitas had terrible pouring, but it looks like they redesigned the spout. If they fix the lid issue, it would be hard to justify spending more on anything else.

[@silk2949]

Thanks for your comment. I always look for reviews/comments from people that have used both makes. 16:30 We have been using Bonavita for more than 6 years and love our coffee. I soooooo want the Moccamaster, but oh the cost! None of the Bonavita “issues” bother me…so I guess I will stick with Bonavita.

[@msk3905]

We have two moccamaster’s and all I can say is that this thing looks fantastic and performs better than any other coffee maker i have owned! Hands down the hottest coffee we ever home brewed and best tasting! Huh we wash our carafe in dishwasher often about 5 years in and still in one piece?

[@AT1754]

@@silk2949I’ve had 3 Bonavitas and switched to Moccamaster. Loved bonativa but for me they never lasted long. Just recently switched to mm, and it’s so different it’s frustrating. You would think since they both say they heat to the correct temp it would be the same but the grind baskets are different. If your Bonavita is still going strong stick with it

[@silk2949]

@@AT1754 I had to think hard to remember this review and my comment! After a couple of years of watching Moccamaster prices, I finally got one at about $200 off the original price. I definitely spent some time adjusting my grind but all good with the Moccamaster now. My 4th Bonavita was dying, the prices had gone up and the quality seemed to have gone down by the comments I read. With the Moccamaster on sale the difference in cost was only about $100 …. So I managed to justified the purchase to myself! In the end I don’t think the taste is all that different from the Bonavita, but the fact that the Moccamaster is repairable is another one of my justifications. Also, it just looks so cool compared to all other coffee makers! Happy Coffee Drinking!

[@ShooterMcNut]

The plus side of the bonavita is that if the machine somehow fails internally, you can simply heat your water and use the carafe and filter housing as a pour-over rig.

[@christineramseyer4721]

I’ve had a Bonavita for over a year. I, too, was a pour over coffee person. This machine is very consistent and easy. On a morning I have to get out the door at 530 I can set the coffee maker up the night before and just switch it on and get dressed. Lovely.

[@joebass5163]

I have mine on a smart plug. I can prep the night before and turn on the switch and the plug is scheduled to turn on and boom fresh brewed coffee before I head out the door. I use the Kasa plugs.

[@Trynnun02]

The first one, i used for years, until an Ex stole it from me, I swear by the Moccamaster. That NINJA is "NOT" the way to go, that thing is faulty garbage quality. It is prone to consistent leaking, clogged tubing, faulty wiring (fire hazard warning), and just flat out stops working after a year or so even if you don't run into any of the previous problems with it.

[@Jordenweiss]

I’ve had my Bonavita for approximately 5 years. The problem we’ve had is the screw on lid that fits over the stainless carafe retains coffee which you have to rinse out. Unfortunately it has left a rancid residue which we can’t remove no matter how much we soak in cleaners or descaling solution. It smells awful and ruins our coffee experience. Our stainless carafe is glass lined so it cleans easily with dish soap and soft sponge. The newer carafes are stainless lined which will also leave a coffee residue unless periodically cleaned with coffee cleaning solution like a stainless thermos. This becomes annoying because you have to boil these cleaners and let it sit in carafe for an hour or so. Otherwise the Bonavita has performed well. One important factor in excellent coffee making is keeping the brewer clean and free of smelly rancid coffee residues. I contacted Bonavita about a new carafe lid but they said I’d have to purchase a new carafe. Guess it’s time we bring up the new Moccamaster we’ve stored in the basement!

[@askssk715]

We have the Ninja brewer that we purchased in March 2021. This year the digital display stopped working, so we no longer can program. Definitely going to get a new coffee maker, so thank you for this honest review.

[@Scoop2992]

I have a Mocamaster and a Bonavita. I use the Bonavita the most out of all my 7 ways I make coffee. The Mocamaster looks great, but the Bonavita has a preinfuse setting. I store the top on top of the basket and the basket on top of the pot. It then slides into the brewer just like you were going to brew a cup of coffee.

[@upscalebohemian5372]

They say the way to evaluate the usefulness of a review is to watch/read one on a product you know about. I own that Moccamaster model. My water reservoir lid doesn't move much at all. It performs very well. They say not to but I routinely put ALL the plastic parts in the dishwasher and only wash the carafe itself by hand. No issues. The coffee is excellent and I paired it with a Eureka Mignon Filtro grinder, the most basic, which does an excellent job of grinding for a drip brewer for not a lot of money (compared to one that will grind for espresso or drip and espresso). About the only thing that can go wrong with the Moccamaster is if you don't push the filter basket fully towards the water reservoir. It's spring loaded and if not sat right it can not engage the opening on the bottom and the part can overflow. That only happened to me once and now I know to seat it properly. Cleaning and descaling are very easy. What this doesn't say is once those warranties expire the company will STILL repair the unit back to like new for a flat fee when you send it in. It's an excellent company and the product produces excellent coffee without fail. If you're not a stickler for perfection, though, the Braun Brewsense is much less expensive and pretty darned good. That's what I replaced with the Moccamaster and I like the coffee from both.

[@AT1754]

I’ve had 3 Bonavitas. I hated the thermal carafe. I prefer the glass with the heat plate, and I loved it. I know they say don’t do a heat plate but I don’t leave it on for very long. I will say I had to go through 3 of them in 6 years. They don’t last long. Customer service used to be great until the got bought out. So I switched to mm. It’s been frustrating for me to get it dialed in but I think finally getting it. I’ve had a Mr coffee and had no issues with that either. Agreed it was always smooth for me. I’m no coffee snob though so as long as it’s good then I don’t care what machine made it. I also had the ninja when I was first released. My ex took that and she just replaced it 9 years later with the same updated model she loved it so much. I thought it was fine but inconsistent. Some times tasted burnt, sometimes good and sometimes great

[@kashg.5973]

Were you able to get your Moccamaster to yield as a good a cup as your Bonavitas? I could not in the month that I owned an MM. I ended up returning it and getting another BV. I hate the QC of BV though.

[@AT1754]

@ no I just found a spot that I could tolerate and I’m afraid to use a different type of coffee 😂

[@kashg.5973]

@@AT1754 Ahhh! haha. Okay, I feel better now. I was desperate to somehow make the MM work because it's so pretty...reminds me of my ex 😕🤣

[@jamesavakian4977]

I hate the glass and burner setup. 40 minutes on the burner ruins the coffee , wastes energy and my wife breaks the glass Also , its nice to have warm coffee for an hour without the burner on

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

I actually had a ninja as my last before my current one; the filter did NOT detach - though it was supposed to as a listed feature on the box. Other than that one point it actually lasted me like 2 years without problems. Which to that point had been my most consistently reliable coffee maker experience. My current one is a Mr. Coffee, and I have to say for $50 with maybe a bit of tax from Walmart, I'm pretty impressed with it so far. The brand according to another coffee "snob" doing tests with different brands I watched about a year ago to research which brand I should invest in when I needed a replacement, also relayed that Mr. Coffee is either the first or one of the very first brands of coffee makers in general. Back even into I believe around the 60's or the 70's (whenever coffee started becoming more widely available/popular. I admit I don't recall offhand) So with that in mind, it doesn't surprise me that the brand knows how to make a good tasting cup of coffee. They wouldn't have survived as a company this long if the product sucked. My sister is better off financially and has a Breville she swears by, but $250 plus tax for only god knows how long it would function is a bit too much of a price tag for my wallet. I will say, if you ever do one cup coffee makers - don't bother with Black & Decker. I wasn't that impressed with it; and it only lasted a whole month of use. Even at about $20 it wasn't really worth the thrift in the purchase. I would personally say a market between $50 - $150 really should serve most peoples' needs as far as good and reliable coffee made. Also... with a name like Danny Pops, I'd figure you'd be more into testing Soda makers ; )

[@Dukerdr]

Love my digital Mr Coffee. I bought one after an old B+D died 14 years ago as a test. It worked great! I could set the timer the night before and get up to great coffee. $65.00 and I was happy. Water comes out at 200 degrees and the warming plate keeps it hot for 2 hours. When it burned out 5 years ago, I went right back and bought another one!

[@Dave004]

I've had a few and the Bonavita definitely made the best coffee i've ever had at home. Problem is, its not very reliable, i've had 2 that broke after a year (and of course has only 1 year warranty). Was going to go for a 3rd just because I love how good the coffee is but can't justify that much money for 1 to 2 years of use only. Ended up deciding on Ratio Six for my next maker, getting in in a few weeks. More expensive but a 5 year warranty so I expect a few years out of it which if it does last 5 years, means I don't have to buy 2 Bonavitas!

[@pilgrim81]

I had the Bonavita which didn't last long at all for the price. I've tossed many coffee pots over the years that couldn't be repaired. The Moccamaster seems to be the one for me. 5 year warranty, replacement parts or the company will repair after warranty for a reasonable fee. Great cup of coffee.

[@Dave004]

@@pilgrim81 ya I was going back and forth between the Ratio Six and Moccamaster. Just chose Ratio cause it was a little cheaper ($400 Canadian vs $463 for Moccamaster) and my sister has a Ratio Eight and I've used it a few times and its great so figured the Six would be pretty similar. I'd hope any coffee maker with a 5 year warranty does so because they believe in their products more than most that only give a 1 or 2 year.

[@Scoop2992]

I am on my second Bonavita. They replaced the first under warranty. I also own a Moccamaster, but use the Bonavita as my daily driver.

[@dgordon2991]

Have used the Bonavita several times a day for four years now and never fails to make a great cup of coffee. Thanks for the entertaining and informative review.

[@mynameissang]

A couple notes on the Bonavita. 1) their newer models actually come with a slide in filter basket, exactly as you mentioned would have wanted. 2) the carafe is very infamous for never being able to pour out the last drop, no matter how much you tilt it. Which also means it is hard to clean. 3) that model (and their others) have a pre-infusion/bloom setting: hold down the power trigger for 5 seconds until the red light blinks. If bloom mode is on, the red light will blink throughout the brew, rather than stay on a solid red as it was shown in this video. 4) more a general point, but the bloom phase is really only important for rather fresh beans. In my experience, after about 2 weeks from roast date, the bloom makes little to no difference.

[@jilly7306]

The Bonavita 8 Cup I think only has the slide in filter basket, we have the 5 cup and it sits on top of the carafe.

[@mynameissang]

@@jilly7306 For the 8 cup, there are 2 models: the 1900 has the filter basket sit on the carafe, the 1901 is the newer model with a slide in filter basket. Both models are still being sold.

[@kingcormack8004]

As great as the Bonavita has been for me, the carafe problem on the 1900 is silly. The lid on mine is showing wear but it took 5-6 years. Great value.

[@Meyerc-yv2bi]

The new Bonavitas with the sliding filter basket is called the Connoisseur, but it is ONLY available in the 8 cup version (glass and metal carafe). The 5 cup model still has the basket on the top of the carafe. Bonavita is also making a new generation machine called the Enthusiast, but they are getting pricey.

[@LarryGottschalk]

Ours also leaked water into the inner walls of the carafe while cleaning - you could hear it sloshing around after it was empty. Other than that (and that's pretty bad) it was great.

[@mikereif7240]

I don't know if anyone else noticed but you were pouring hot water from the bonavita thermal carafe and and then saying this was a great cup of coffee😂

[@RSidneyB]

The Bonavita was America’s Test Kitchen choice for a budget brewer, so I got one and love it. Oddly, in the one I bought, the basket doesn’t rest on the carafe, it fits into a slot under the brew head, floating above the carafe, so you just pull out the carafe when it’s done and put the top on. The top rests on the water tank when it’s brewing and for storage- since the whole machine is relatively short, there’s no problem storing it there.

[@Meyerc-yv2bi]

Do you have the glass carafe Bonavita? Also, is it the 5 cup or 8 cup model?

[@RSidneyB]

@@Meyerc-yv2bi 8 cup. Though to be accurate, Bonavita calls 5 ounces a cup, so it’s a 40 ounce carafe.

[@RSidneyB]

Stainless carafe.

[@AT1754]

I’ve had 3 bonavitas. Two glass carat and one stainless steel. The thermal sucked since it retains coffee and you can never get it all out. They don’t last very long, and since they got purchased their cs is terrible so went went Moccamaster. Loved the Bonavita and the mm I’m holding out the opinion on because it’s so different I am having trouble dialing it in

[@mkyhou1160]

I’ve had the bonavita stainless for a few years. I love how simple it is, yeah you have to screw in the lid, but my experience is that part often breaks on other machines.

[@Shananigans_are_fun]

Have no experience with the Moccamaster, but I have a Bonavita 1900TS. I like it a lot. I will be replacing mine with maybe the Bonavita Enthusiast. I like that it has the detachable reservoir. I originally bought the 5 cup, returned it and bought the 8 cup so that I could fit my travel mug under it. I place the basket on my mug and let it do it's thing. Works great for me.

[@LesCish]

One feature I've had for over 20 years is a thermal carafe. If you drink more than one serving and take more than 45 minutes before that second cup, it is really essential.

[@JoeAnshien]

You guys are so cute! I have been using a Mr. Coffee forever. Try a permanent filter with a paper one under. That and stop the coffee after about 30 seconds and then start it again after a minute to give it time to bloom and it is quite amazing the difference. Also mine definitely shuts off after an hour or so.

[@drumswithstix]

Just upgraded from Ninja CE200 to the moccamaster. Why? Ninja only lasted a year before the components fried, so if you dont mind possibly spending 80-100/year on a new pot, then by all means. And thats after owning the ninja toaster, blender, slow cooker, so the coffee pot was a BIG disappointment that it failed with regular use. Turns out that failure after a year on the ninja is a VERY common issue. the 5 year warrantee on moccmaster, plus mostly user servicable was a HUGE selling point.

[@scotm3599]

I know this is a 2 year old video, but I have owned 2 of these Bonavita coffee machine that you guys reviewed. One in my house, one in my 18 wheeler. I agree about the cap on the carafe. When not in use I have to keep the cap on top the machine because there is no way to store it with the basket on top of the carafe. The coffee basket shape retains some coffee after brewing. It would have been better with a cone shape design. The thermal carafe is nice, but it does loose heat within a couple of hours not all day like you stated. (Not judging, just had more usage over the years than you guys.) Also, kind of wish it had a burner with the option of using a glass carafe. I am the only coffee drinker in the house. Thank you for your review.

[@donaldnewell4868]

The “parking brake” allows you to do an infused coffee with a filter. Using that occasionally for a well-extracted coffee, similar to a French press with a filter, is an enjoyable change of pace.

[@Gabe-vj5ho]

I've had my Bonavita for years and love it. Your model must be a new version because my filter and grounds basket does slide into the shower head area and does not sit on top of the carafe. As for the statement about losing the screw on lid, I don't understand that. Its a big chunky lid. If you're losing that in your kitchen you have bigger issues than making a decent cup of coffee.

[@mikecanniff3873]

If you have the best coffee to water ratio,the right grind size,correct water temp,then you have good coffee, if you like the coffee you chose.

[@spotford]

I have owned 2 Bonavita Connoisseur 8 cup machines. The first one lasted 3.5 years. Replaced the carafe lid once as the lever to pour broke. Then the plastic of the reservoir crazed and cracked. The second one lasted 2 years before the lever on the carafe lid broke yesterday. We loved the coffee brewed by these machines, but the low quality of the materials and the design flaws have been too much. I ordered an OXO 8 cup to replace it and I hope to have better luck this time.

[@piratesmvp]

I think the reason why you might have liked the taste of the Mr. Coffee compared to the first two is because you used a paper filter in your taste test. The reusable mesh filters don't filter out the oils from the coffee as well which leads to a thicker taste. Since you mentioned in the video that you prefer smoother tastes, that could explain why the Ninja and Moccamaster weren't as impressive to you.

[@drd8251]

Thanks for validating the purchase of my Bonavita. I’ve been happy with it.

[@ClydeErskine]

When they were pouring out of the Bonavita, it looked like straight water!

[@Ephesians-xt4xc]

The bonavita metropolitan has the separate piece that is not attached to the carafe. The key feature about bonavita is the water comes out like a shower over the coffee. Mister coffee only comes out in one spot, not in the middle, so coffee does not get saturated evenly.

[@jpan7071]

Your experience with the Bona Vita matches what i (and my family experienced). Our Bona Vita basically died after four years of heavy use. It made the best coffee ever. My friend has a technivorn. I’ve tasted the coffee it brews. It brews a great cup of coffee, but the Bona Vita Beats it hands down. Bonavita, for the price, brews amazing coffee.

[@ChaoticOrder73]

But it breaks consistently after 2-4 years.

[@John-zf2ph]

I was looking for an upgrade from my black and decker of 7 years and did a lot of research. I wanted something under $100 but then I started looking into SCA. Well the Zwilling was cheapest certified. I looked online and right now the brewer is %25 off. If you sign up for email or look up coupon codes you get an additional 15% off. Therefore I bought it because I got 40% off for a total of $127.49 compared to normal price of about $200. I think this is a great deal for the price of an SCA certified brewer. But just note I bought the glass version. I don't need nor want coffee sitting in a carafe for hours. I would prefer to just make a new batch as necessary. We will see it's reliability and functionality but I am super excited!

[@dand4485]

For those with a moccamaster, couple things missed here. If you flip the heat setting for the hot plate to the lower, you'll get better results for smaller brews (4->6 cups). What it does is lowers the water flow so it won't make the coffee as fast but will help to get more extraction. The lid for the grounds at times i take it off and stir the grounds for more extraction too... And my model i have 3 settings on the grounds container. Blocked, medium and full flow. I like blocking it for the first minute or so to let the grounds get fully submerged by the water, then i stir the soupy mix and open it to full flow... Might do this a couple times, but I like strong coffee… I notice the brewer model you have doesn’t have the flow restriction on it. Might be worth MoccaMaster if you could get a replacement to get the flow restrictor, but might be a waste as it sounded like you prefer a light brew, opposite of me. I've had my mocha master for about 25 years, and only have needed to replacement grounds holder... Not bad and it never disappoints. EDIT: Was watching the video and reviewing. For the nija, if you refer back to the SCA rules to be certified by them if you use their basis of what is a good coffee maker, the entire brew must complete under 7 minutes for the entire pot. Per your comment about being a bit bitter, after 7 minutes brewing that is to be expected. Thus the SCA’s requirement for 7 minutes or less. So it wasn't the coffee grounds, just a side effect from the machine... That said i would assert i have a bias against anything Ninja. They had a blender on the market for a while that would leach lead into the food. Okay any company might have issues with stuff, but their reaction to it was it was discovered was not what i would consider the company i would ever consider supporting or help protect my health...

[@donscottmacdonald]

Our Bonavita lasted about 6 years, the on/off switch was it's demise, but that length of time is about what I expected. Also never understood why it's carafe design had a sloppy pour. Bought the Moccamaster for it's build quality (longevity), excellent design, and good coffee results. Both brewers have made good strong flavorful coffee, and we'll see which lasts longer.

[@jturnrich]

I made pour over coffee for 16 years, starting way before it was cool. Four years ago I upgraded to what is generally considered automated pour over, the Bonavita. I have not missed the pour over ritual.

[@TracyJordan2122]

Haha very entertaining. It makes sense you guys liked the Mr. Coffee. You said it was super smooth. Brewing at low temps makes it less acidic

[@MrJohnnyboyrebel]

I ditched my Moccamaster and bought a Breville machine. Why? The Moccamaster’s carafe couldn’t keep the coffe at serving temperature for more than an hour. The Breville carafe outperforms the Moccamaster by hours.

[@Kro_man_tx]

I have a very cheap single cup brewer that makes great coffee. But, only if you stop it and let the coffee bloom. Then I stop it about halfway through and agitate the grounds. It's a little hassle, but so worth it! The lid has a micro switch that stops the brew and you have full access to the little basket. I am glad I found this little brewer.

[@DannyPops]

what coffee maker is it?

[@Kro_man_tx]

@@DannyPops It literally has no model info on it. It is from Walmart, it was 19.99. It can accept ground coffee or pods. Has two little inserts, one stainless basket and the pod adapter. There are two settings, one button for pods, and the other for ground coffee

[@christian7389]

I’ve watched this by accident, because I previously binged lots of your Marshall Vids (which led me to buy two Willens❤). I have to say, you are THE ONLY KZbinr to actually mention the Moccamasters wobbly lid. I have that coffeemaker, the wobble is the first thing I noticed and I’ve not seen it mentioned anywhere else. It doesn’t take away from the usability, obviously, but like you said: for that amount of money, it sure would have been nice to have it sit flush. Anyway, keep up the great work! Greetings from Berlin, Germany!

[@DannyPops]

Thanks for chiming in! The wobbly lid infuriates me haha. So glad to hear feedback. Gives me motivation to keep going.

[@KD-fu8ob]

If it is wobbling, you just have to push down a smidge further the arm. Then the lid fits perfectly.

[@randyw.8781]

I have a Ninja CE251 which I think is identical to the CE200. I use Bunn coffee filters rather than the screened filter that comes with the unit and I pour hot water into the water container to give it a boost on brew time and heat. The Starbucks Verona Dark Roast I use has a good taste. The machines works and the taste depends on the coffee used. Its not a life changer but I'm good for now. Thanks for the review.

[@1j007zm]

Great video!, 😃 I've seen many blind test of coffee makers and Mr. coffee always performs well, go figure?. 🤔 I have a cheap Mr. coffee, ( $30 ) and it turns off after 2hrs on it's own, but it's time for an upgrade!. I can't afford the Moccamaster, so it's the Bonavita for me, I appreciate the great advice!. Thank you! Peace! ☮

[@tomcanfield705]

So I have the Moccamaster with the carafe which you could have opted for. I did spring for an aftermarket showerhead which does a better job of wetting the grounds. No automatic bloom phase in my older one. I do brew into my 20 ounce Zojirushi travel carafe which is the best for temperature retention in the dozens I have tested. Maybe I will try the Bonavista...

[@mgdmong]

Nice review of the coffeemakers! Wish you had included the prices for each.

[@ilsipalacios440]

And how easy or difficult those are to clean

[@AlexG-ey7md]

Mr. Coffee is hard to beat...I have had 2 bona vita machines and found the difference between the bona vita and Mr. Coffee was barely noticeable. The Bona Vita was a little better but we went back to the Mr. Coffee. I just got a used Moccamaster from marketplace and hoping it's worth the upgrade from the Mr. Coffee and the Bona Vita.

[@dudeman1455]

Bonavita and Moccamaster make approx the same quality cup of coffee, but the Bonavita is made in China, the Moccamaster is handmade in the Netherlands. The Moccamaster will last 25 years if you take care of it.

[@jerryhubbard4461]

The coffee cup I use holds 2 measured cups of coffee. I use the better version Mr Coffee than the one you have here. In the morning, I blend the whole pot putting 7 measured cups of water in the machine. Not sure what the numbers are on the pot but they mean nothing that I see. It is sold as a 12 cup coffee machine. I does NOT hold that much water. Maybe 12 tee cups. I grind my own coffee and I also mix the brands at times. This morning I put two scoops of Starbucks and two scoops of Folgers in the machine. I was a very tactful cup. Mr. Coffee machine tends not to get the water all the way around the filter when brewing. I use the round re-usable stainless basket and NOT paper filters. When I start the brewing, I stand at the machine and turn the basket a few times allowing the water to cover all of the coffee. When all of the coffee is covered and the water is floating. I close the lid and allow it to finish. When the machine finished, I turn it off keeping the burner from cooking my coffee. I have a lot of fun mixing coffee brands and sometimes you hit the perfect one. Remember, no two people taste coffee the same. It is all about your preference.

[@tpohne1965]

I've had the Moccamaster for 3 years now, same model, same color. I put the carafe in the dishwasher once a week and nothing has happened so far. (This said, I think European dishwashers tend to be a little more gentle than big North American dishwashers.) And I pimped it with a third-party gadget: a disk with holes in it that distributes the water more equally over the grounds. This, and a very consistent grind with little to no fines in it has added to the already impressive quality of the coffee. I've owned a number of European coffee machines (Braun, Krups, Melitta...) but the Moccamaster beats them all hands down. (I haven't tried newer Melitta models though.)

[@gregmcwilson7538]

I came across your video and found it is entertaining and informative. I have the $20 Mr Coffee. Remove the pot. I stand guard on the initial brewing water spurts are guided by my tablespoon. I get the “blooming” effect allowing the urn filter get “soaked “ grounds then replace the pot and allow the brewing cycle to completion.

[@ellismedavoy7314]

Unfortunately due to legal battles, the Bonavita has been hard to find. You can still get the 8 cup model on their own website for about $180. I have been looking for a backup for it as I had to replace my existing 8 cup model after two years. I was leaning toward a Ninja but it seems that the market still hasn't produced anything close to the Bonavita for less than $200 bucks.

[@DannyPops]

I did not know that they were in legal battles!

[@rosahinson5853]

I have had the Bonavita for 7 years. It makes a great cup of coffee. The basket that sits on the carafe is annoying but worth it for the good coffee.

[@kwisclubta7175]

"It tastes bitter, but I don't think that's any fault of the coffee maker, it might just be me." "When we did our taste test, we both thought this one was terrible, but it's fine now. This coffee maker is fine." 🙄 What a useful review from two clearly useful people.

[@slam854]

I have had Bonavita & now, Moccamaster. Chose the glass carafe model because is it easy to wash the glass & lid. Brushed stainless is very difficult to keep spotless/fresh. I remove tank/brew basket lids and stir the coffee breifly. This sinks floaters and evenly wets grinds. Not necessary but result like a Chemex without the hassle. My espresso is Crossland CC1from Pantechnicon Design. Alll coffee ground for each machine moments before brewing.

[@slam854]

Bonavita uses a thermobloc heater which will calcify even with recommended descaling (all will). The Moccamaster is all copper and easy to descale effectively. Last a lifetime!

[@Humungojerry]

i don’t mind those reusable filters but they do affect the taste of the coffee, they’ll tend to allow more fines and oils through, so that may account for flavour. OTOH, it’s worth rinsing paper filters to avoid paper taste

[@donwald3436]

13:39 Did you forget to add beans or what is going on with that coffee?

[@theartescapeplan]

I bought the moccamaster and the carafe drips BADLY! Like every pour of a cup. DO not waste your money. I owned a moccamaster for ten years and it was amazing. They no longer made my model machine so I decided to upgrade to the new model. You literally have to pour so slowly otherwise it dribbles all over the place. I am cleaning coffee off my counter everytime I pour a cup.

[@walterconrad887]

Thanks for the great review. For me I own 2 different brewers one in our main residence and one at the cottage on the lake. Both brewers have a glass carafe. At our home we have a Melitta Vision. This is by far the best brewer I have ever owned. At the cottage we have the Ninja model you tested. This brewer also makes a very good pot of coffee. We only purchase brewers with a glass carafe for several reasons. First is that the brewers are less expensive. Second the performance of the stainless thermal carafes that come with the brewers are not on par with a glass lined thermal carafe that you can purchase separately at a much lower cost. Right after brewing we transfer the brewed coffee into one of those and shut the coffee .machine off. While this may seem like an inconvenience we have found we are able to enjoy hot coffee much longer into the day. We have also found that the price of the Technovorm Mocamaster to be just ludicrous, no mater how good of a brew it claims to be able to make. As one of the other commenters stated you should be able to find a good coffee brewer between the $100.00 - $200.00 range.

[@dustinpage123]

If you pour hot water into the mr coffee and as it’s brewing stir the basket, it works really well.

[@mikegu2527]

You should have bought the Bonavita Connoisseur model, it would have answered your question of, "Where do you put the filter holder after brewing?"

[@2cartalkers]

Excellent review for we laypersons. Excuse my poor French but you are (facile à regarder), easy to watch. I have viewed this video twice and it helped me decide which coffee maker is best for moi.

[@randalalansmith9883]

The carafe isn't dishwasher safe. So I think that means that the plastic you're placing on the warmer and running hot water through isn't heat-resistant.

[@ceteris.paribus]

The Bonavita was just too loud, and I agree about the lid being something that would get lost. I’m still in search of a brewer, just doing pour-over until I find something I like.

[@monkeyb1820]

I have pretty much that same bonavita. Basically happy with it but I do notice that the carafe really does NOT keep it as hot for as long as I'd like (and I do tend to preheat the carafe with a bit of hot water). And oddly, after coffee has been in the carafe for a couple of hours, it still has a bit of that 'sitting around' flavor, like maybe some of the water has steamed out of it. I'm not sure why this is the case, since it's not sitting on a burner.

[@ashwanibhola3766]

I've been using an older version of the Mr Coffee and got dramatically better results with these hacks: 1. Fill the reservoir with boiling hot water instead of cold. That helps bring the brew temperature closer to where it should be. 2. Save a little of that hot water to evenly pour over the grounds to bloom. That will help disperse the brew water over the grounds better. Wait 45 seconds then start the brew. Thank you to James Hoffman for these hacks!

[@danemcbaine8835]

I have the mr coffee and the grounds like to overflow into the brew. Especially if take the carafe out for too long. Tucking a second filter on top of the coffee helps contain it but I'm tired of it and going to get the Ninja 14 cup.

[@VierImageStudios]

That ce200 will have the clock panel fail in about a year. I'm actually watching your video researching a replacement for the Ninja.

[@eljefeguapobarbon]

Mr. Coffee all the way! Fewest moving parts, best taste. Forty years, replacing mine every so often. No need to reinvent the original.

[@dhhjsjzjzjjhsjsjh]

I’m contemplating getting the Ninja, it’s seems like a winner when you consider that it sells for $70

[@stevedemarest276]

The half and half triggers me a little. What's the point of tasting really? Anyway, I've used a Technivorm for years. It's fine and very consistent... but also quite possible to get good tasting coffee from el cheapo machines.

[@Trekgalaxi]

Why is no one talking about the oxo 8 cup the direct competitor to the Bonavita?

[@jimmyowens954]

Your info about the Mr Coffee maker being the best in the blind taste test and another coffee maker (I don't recall which one) being good then bad and the called "inconsistent" and yet another that you can't explain why it tadtes so good all prove that the coffee maker doesn't really matter much and you make to much of it. The coffe itself and the ratio of coffee/water is the most important.

[@Durufle68]

You need to examine whether they have a carafe or sit on a heating element. The heating element keeps heating that coffee and ruins it. The carafe will just hold the coffee at temp without continuing to heat it.

[@BrentFla]

I’ve owned many different coffee makers over the years of all price ranges, but there’s only one that I truly love it’s got everything a great coffee maker should have. Zojirushi EC-YTC100XB 10-Cup Coffee Maker

[@MrRondonmon]

Some beans may taste bitter if the water sits too long in the filter. I don't think people should test without trying a few different type beans. Also, the eat matters via great extractions. Letting water sit in the filter too long can hurt the taste.

[@sno_mouse1235]

Technivorm does make a metal carafe version of the Moccamaster.

[@triode1]

I’m not a fan of thermal carafes-I prefer to see how much coffee is left in the carafe after the first few cups are poured. I have been using a BonaVita for over 10 years now and it performs great. However, cleaning the water reservoir is a bit problematic. If, and when, I replace my coffee maker it will be with a glass carafe/heat pad model of the BonaVita.

[@SRX2004]

I have the Ninja and love it. I bought it because of the removable water reservoir. I can 't use the permanent coffee filter since I have a septic tank and coffee grounds don't break down and decompose.

[@johnkieran7936]

I have septic and when I use my machine I just dump the grounds in the garbage.

[@Bandaid17]

Or compost them. No one should be dumping coffee grounds in the drain even if you are on city sewer.

[@lorinorton1520]

I’ve had my ninja the same one on here for two years years , now it leaks water don’t know where it’s coming from.

[@danhorton6182]

I bought the Bonavita and really really wanted to like it. It made a good cup, but there were a few things that I didn’t love about it. I know they have to make a price point to sell it for what they do, but it just seemed cheap feeling. Also I got one like you where the filter basket had to just chill on the counter. I hated how you couldn’t completely empty the carafe of all the coffee. And to the first point the machine ended up developing an issue after about 5 months of use. I decided to try the Moccamaster, but I got the one with the vacuum carafe and no plate warmer. As you guys could tell the build quality is definitely superior. I would take the time at bloom to stir the grounds in the moccamaster, which wasn’t a huge deal. I felt like it made a great cup, but would still use my pour over setup half the time as it gave me a better cup. Then came the biggest upgrade for the moccamaster! There is a company out of Canada that sells stainless steel screen inserts that go on top of the basket, just under the shower rod. It disperses the water in a much larger area, essentially making it a pour over setup. Since buying this screen I haven’t touched my pour over setup, unless I’m only having the one cup of coffee. So for those of you that have a moccamaster, I strongly suggest you grab that shower screen, it was a very nice addition and I feel it makes a better cup than the Bonavita. Edit: it will only fit the standard size models, so unfortunately if you have one of the large models it won’t fit your machine.

[@DannyPops]

You are welcome to link the screen thing here if you want. Thanks for sharing

[@danhorton6182]

@@DannyPops weird… I linked it yesterday and added a comment about being interested in your thoughts if you still had your moccamaster and all that is gone. Hmmm. I’ll post a link again.

[@eugenebodrero4542]

@@danhorton6182 If the URL link won't stick, can you provide the name of the company and the source from which you purchased the dispersion screen?

[@fredrmitchell]

I have used everything you reviewed except Redline: Liked Bonavita the best, but plastics on carafe cracked. Also did not like changing lid as you pointed out. Personally I'd give anything with a thermal carafe extra points because you rapidly burn coffee on a hot plate. Nice honest reviews. Would seriously consider xoxo 8 cup in future

[@DannyPops]

I've been hearing the Oxo doesn't get to temp, but i am seriously considering checking it out. The bona still lives in my kitchen.

[@kingcormack8004]

@@DannyPops The OXO gets the New York Times Wirecutter's best maker but I haven't tried it.

[@JustB-cuz]

To me, The best coffee maker is an old fashioned percolator. I found a glass one in an antique store. Worth every penny. ☕️

[@marksieber4626]

I’m quite sure none of these machines at this point are bad. How about 6 months to a year from now? 2 years or more?

[@DannyPops]

the moccamaster and bonavita still work! The others have shifted to other homes.

[@copperhead1317]

1:18 sounds like weak coffee. Generally you want 1:14 at least. Try 10 grams of coffee per 5 oz (147mL)of water .

[@drewfliesbikes]

cheaper ones are better if you like dark roast coffee. or if you put cream and sugar in. Also for $40 you can get a zojirushi carafe that will keep your coffee warmer than any other pot or carafe

[@toddjones1403]

Bonavita’s have another problem. Under the carafe lid is a silicone gasket that I removed to clean one day. It broke-I called Bonavita for a replacement…”sorry we don’t have replacement gasket’s “ Wait, what??? I have to buy a whole new unit so the carafe doesn’t leak? “I’m afraid so”.

[@rogerbrooks8275]

Every review I’ve watched or read about the Bonavita (8 cup) loves the coffee taste it produces. Unfortunately, the price has ballooned from $94 just over a year ago, to $180 today (Feb. 2024) with no apparent improvements. Common complaints are the fact that the top of the carafe has to be stored separately (doesn’t fit under the basket when it’s on the carafe), and that the thermal carafe doesn’t keep the coffee hot very long.

[@DannyPops]

Yeah thats fair. The bonavita enthusiast came out and solves the silly thing with the top part needing to be taken out.

[@Raven5763]

That's funny you liked the Mr Coffee. We were impreessed with a $15 mr coffee 4 cup machine in a hotel room and bought one and used it for a few years. We currently have a Bonavita, and it is ok, our favorite feature is not cooking the coffee further with the hot plate. Our model has the filter basket attached to the base rather than the carrafe. We find the coffee to be good, but it brews a little fast and doesn't get the best extraction, you can adjust the grind but that makes it taste muddy. Our favorite cup comes from a Zojirushi unit.

[@DannyPops]

I've been wanting to check out the zojurshi since I have their rice cooker!

[@Raven5763]

@Danny Pops That's why i bought it and have been impressed.

[@mikebass2700]

I bought a Bonavita a year ago and loved the coffee taste. But in one year it developed a leak from under the machine and I had a puddle of water all over my counter. I didn't want to spend a lot on another machine and got a cheap Mr. Coffee with a stainless steel basket and a blade grinder. Coffee, in my opinion, was surprisingly very good. Unless you're a coffee snob go with a less expensive machine. The coffee will be just as good and you'll save a lot of money.

[@ricknicholson5894]

I have owned a few quality coffee machines. A deal breaker for me is units that have a hot plate and glass carafe. It is well known the enemy of coffee is heat, this is the reason why coffee at work tastes like crap after it has sat on the hot plate for some time. The better units have a carafe that really is a double walled vacuum thermos with no hot plate. This is the best way to keep leftover coffee warm. In fact for my motorhome, after using a glass french press resulting in cold second cups of coffee, I went out and spent a ridiculous amount on a double walled, vacuum sealed carafe french press (Bodum). I could come back 45 minutes later for my second cup and the coffee was still hot/warm.

[@Kevin-ORM]

I have had more difficulty with expensive coffee makers than the cheap storebrand ones, they only last me about a year and then I have to replace it and that’s with maintaining it descaling and cleaning