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[@Axel_tv]

BSG Deleted the post idk why www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1cecaza/update_on_current_situation/

[@ShowTime8455]

looks like it's up again

[@nickmuller5297]

it's back

[@arcadeslum5882]

smh, BSG will never see another penny from me until Nikita sells the company to someone with common sense. I look forward to pirating offline pve mode. Fucking jerkoff.

[@loganmacneil3424]

They already lost me, unless they backpedal and reverse the unheard bs and acknowledge their promises to EoD users ill be finding something else to scratch the itch since none of the people I play with are willing to go back to tarkov anyway.

[@williamilles7681]

​@@loganmacneil3424 hallelujah

[@TheUnhappyPotato]

BSg speedrunned how to piss off their entire playerbase any %

[@keepithandy8688]

its always been this way. Ever since year one.

[@jac0bspl]

it's 100%

[@xmapa4677]

No, there have always been a bunch of whiney losers. They've jsut found something to whine about.

[@OldManBadly]

my expression for it is that they one tapped the community and have spent the following days tossing in nades to make sure we are dead.

[@kirillovcharov5320]

Looks like the only one "tarkov killer" is Nikita himself.

[@mohamedflores5268]

PvE is not DLC but Arena is DLC?

[@minoruepusilon5395]

As i understand cuz pve will be for everyone so that's why they called it a feature

[@genie3531]

@@minoruepusilon5395But it is not for everyone it is only for people with unheard of edition. Also didn’t I have to literally download the content for SPT in that update, how is that not literally “downloadable content”

[@xmapa4677]

No, Arena is a standalone game. We were promised DLC and Arena. People are just illiterate.

[@deepspacewanderer9897]

it WAS a DLC. BSG have... well, at least removed it as an example from EoD Season pass description.

[@Mad-rg9sz]

Tbf i do kinda understand BSG's logic on that (not defending them its still shitty what they have done) but PVE does not add anything 'new', all the content in PVE is already content in the game, its just a different way to access/play it, whereas arena does add in new content technically as its a whole different levelling system, game mode etc.

[@TheHelpMaster]

They also lied that the PVE Mode is Offline. It was never Offline and never will be.

[@SpaceRanger187]

Good luck anyways. Takes forever to load in and when your in all the scavs etc have god mode on. The aim bot is so turned up you can barely even move. I have 6k hours and died within 1 min of every raid I tried on Ground Zero. I have died 10 times in a row. Not even just aim bot. They sprint at you while shooting and they don't miss

[@Chunkyl0ve8]

This is the most bizarre thing to me. Tarkov really thinks it's something special but it's hot garbage

[@mognetmail111]

​@SpaceRanger187 Not my experience at all. I've been getting into all my raids in under 2min lol I actually think the AI PMCs are pretty solid too aside from them standing in one spot sometimes. They do alot of body shots and even have a voiceline window occasionally. Had a few fights that genuinely felt like the real thing. The scavs on the other hand are just as dumb as the base game scavs

[@FakeGothBitch]

​@@mognetmail111Nikita would be happy with ur purchase, he's gonna be able to afford meat this week thanks to u 🙏🙏🙏

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

@@SpaceRanger187 Have had zero issues with it. Except that it's boring.

[@Phegan]

If the PvE mode isn't DLC, it means it's part of the game ahead of release, which, imo, is worse to paywall for EOD. We were promised the full game and DLC, if you are adding new paid features that aren't DLC, that's even worse that you are keeping them behind a paywall.

[@user-vd4bu7vw3r]

Cool bro we didn't know that already 💀

[@Shroudey]

This is literally the only take that makes sense, if it's not a DLC then why the fuck charge anyone for it let alone those of us that bought EOD for the sole reason we thought we'd the full game and all DLC's, that's the only thing that even made EOD worth purchasing because lets be honest, the only other things it came with that anyone cares about is the gamma and increased stash which is NOT worth that kind of price tag

[@nevermind2522]

DLC shouldn't be defined by whether being released before or after the 1.0 base game. Also, people are angry that BSG is making their "non-DLC" contents and "maybe DLC" Tarkov Areana that litereally have nothing to do with the 1.0 base game release, yet at the same time, they keep using the 1.0 base game release as lot of excuses for so many things and pretending they're working so hard toward this goal. Nice jokes Nikita.

[@spawn302]

It still doesn't make sense bc then why did we get Arena??? Plus they deleted the "all future dlc" bullet from the EOD version's product page. It sounds like they attempted to quietly remove it all. Now they are trying to restore it but are attempting to still justify purchasing the unheard edition for PVE access.

[@Taziod]

Yeah so they take your money and promise to make a game. And use that money to make another game instead you have to buy.

[@distortions]

DLC in beta btw..

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

not the 1st and won't be the last to do it.

[@jeramyflanagan4235]

This is the norm now

[@TrilosonicResolutions]

It's crazy how insistent BSG is on adding the distress beacon (PMC respawns) to Tarkov. If an announced feature needs immediate "restrictive or balancing changes" then maybe reconsider implementing it.

[@Xenphos]

Tell that to Riot Games 😂😂

[@mikkel066h]

Now they have advertised it, sold it and have to deliver it. So that is why they are so insistent on it

[@krelekari]

That's their entire career​@@mikkel066h They do something and never look back, which leads to stacking problems because their first instinct for tools to fix an issue is never use a scalpel but always a hammer So you get spawnkills because they decided to run x2 the players in all maps, same reason caused ratting to be so much more popular now that there are double the people in a raid and double the amount needing to extract so double the chances they're rewarded for ratting, no ground loot marked rooms with thick cases nor good loot on most maps because vacuum cheaters theoretically exist so no one can have any, etc etc etc Almost every change that has been blunt and not nuanced has directly lead to even more problems that still exist to this day

[@Greywillson58]

Unfriend UE users who use the Avengers Assemble Distress Beacon??? This could combat this feature and cause enough strife, that they have to act. Perhaps even block them, it could duck with match making.

[@TheGhostAvatar]

Its a big ask strat. They probably intended to do this from the start. Come in high, then seemingly make a compromise. Thus placate the fans and make them think they actually achieved something. Thus making the price gouging more palatable.

[@iDeagles]

Maybe but unlikely given the damage they caused themselves. If that’s was a plan, it went poorly to say the least. 😂

[@rodiculous9464]

That's what I thought too, this will blow over in a few weeks, every single one of these youtubers is only on here to make MONEY nothing else, that's why they gin up this drama, personally I have had eod since like 2017 and I bought the new mode right away, because I have gotten 8000 hours of entertainment out of this game which is a BARGAIN, all these timmies have no clue how business works or how games are made or the incentives of everyone involved, quite frankly I dont think they should have caved to the freeloaders who wont stick around in the long term anyways, bc it's obvious they just want to be mad at anything, ok cool we get a "free" game key but that doesn't change the fact that we were promised exclusive shit and they went back on their promises 2 DAYS LATER, yeah sorry Timmy idc that you feel offended bc a 7 year old promise was broken, I am paying money so your freeloading ass can keep playing, my 2 day old $250 promise is more important than your 7 year old $150 dollar promise, things change they had no clue how successful this game would have been 7 years ago and I am surprised they havent milked it more.

[@AwesomeNuke]

BSG is done for. In other news, have been playing the MPT mod for SP Tarkov with buddies since yesterday, and we're having a blast with 40-50 mods, load times under 1 minute for all map (except Streets, which take ~90sec) and we can manage every single details of the game. XP rates, loot rates, AI difficulties, boss spawn rates.. we've added crashed helicopters Events, 6 or 7 extra traders with 30+ new quests, about 140 new clothing sets available at Ragman, about 20ish new guns (including different part skins, colors, etc). Yeah, we're not paying $50 + taxes and fees (close to 100$) for what is basically a fraction of what we have been playing for free in the past 12 hours.

[@kurzix1]

whats the multiplayer mod for sptarkov?

[@_.Mac._]

Hey, what’s the multiplayer mod called? I’ve heard of a few, but not with “40-50 mods” which is a huge pull since SPT has so many cool mods

[@deso425]

@@_.Mac._Pretty sure it’s called “SIT” or “Stay In Tarkov”

[@warumnicht1552]

Hey can you pls Tell me with wich Mod you can Play with Friends

[@h3llooitsme725]

what is this called i heard about it a few months ago but could never figure out how to get it also is it sperate from normal tarkov ?

[@WarchildAD]

Let players locally host like Helldivers 2 does. That's the fix.

[@-abyss]

im seriously not understanding why they dont do this lmao

[@kostistsiutras4373]

P2P connection on a PvP game with small community is not a good idea

[@genie3531]

@@kostistsiutras4373”small” community but has MILLIONS of sales

[@adityam7866]

I think he’s referring to the PvE mode

[@ashcrown09]

@@kostistsiutras4373 but P2P on a PvE game is

[@smokewheat-xr1xg]

I'm not paying a single cent. Bring the 250€ to a lawyer instead.

[@MoonLiteNite]

Thing is now, they aren't breaking any euro, US, or canadian laws. The PvE will be given to EOD users when the game is released. So legally they are making good on their sale

[@Xenphos]

​@@MoonLiteNite So if the game doesn't leave beta then what?

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

@@MoonLiteNite yeah they know the legal loop hole and played it well.

[@ProdByPalmarius]

@@MoonLiteNite Depends if they're breaking any UK laws, since Brexit I think we might have different laws to Europe. They literally changed the description of an item they've already sold and discontinued, that is borderline scamming

[@Vonasta]

@@MoonLiteNite Actually they removed key things from the EoD description when Landmark was showing it on stream so if we wait a bit someone in the community could get a lawyer to go after them for false advertisement. If the community actually doesn't get what was promised for EoD we do have grounds for hitting them with a class action lawsuit. Their definition of DLC present doesn't matter what matters is what was said in fine print when we purchased the product.

[@derrichtigearzt8932]

I didn't have time for tarkov before this debacle, now I just don't regret it anymore. Great job bsg, finally escaped from tarkov.

[@nicespy9790]

The mention of all future DLC being free for EOD means all the content that they produce for Tarkov that non-EOD buyers will not have access to will be free for EOD users. We paid for 3 copies of the game essentially, $150 for a $50 game. It’s the most expensive game I’ve ever payed for, but bought it under the assumption that this would be it and would have a game that I would be able to continue having with no further purchases because we were promised all future DLC’s and that this would be it, no further P2W mechanics beyond this edition of the game. No subscription model, no micro transactions, no further purchases for this game if you payed 3 TIMES THE GAMES PRICE to have access to all of its current and future content. Now the people that bought the equivalent of 3 copies of the game are not getting anything they were promised. We bought the limited time game edition to support its development and to have access to ALL of its future content. If all you were going to get was just some p2w garbage in the beginning but could play the game and grind it out, then I wouldn’t have bought the EOD edition. I got it solely because it said that EOD users will have access to all future content. And now they’re back peddling on what that means. Ridiculous.

[@Darkmatterdwarf]

Even if we accept Nikitas view and DLC is only after 1.0 But that makes everything before the release the BASEGAME. So he didn't really score oints with his view anyway.

[@Athasin]

Exactly! Either way his reasoning is wrong.

[@nasjon2969]

go play other game LOL go play fifa 24 !!! competitive game with p2w option made by EA !! AND U know what ? people buying this scrap every single year and spend a average of 500$ on p2w cards LOL

[@knowledge3743]

@@nasjon2969Nah man, someone buying every fifa for 10 years is still more respectable than anyone actually spending money on this joke of an edition, not even close really

[@nasjon2969]

@@knowledge3743 welcome to 2024 ! humanity is getting worse with people like you , spending over 1000$ for a roster update and you probably spend 10k on buying messi and ronaldo cause of skill issue ... bebye :)

[@jaket8947]

Ding ding ding

[@X_TOXICBULLET_X]

Pve not a dlc but arena (a whole separate game) is??

[@iDeagles]

To be fair, they tried to wiggle out of arena being a dlc too. Their real problem here is that pesky “beta’ tag on the game. Technically none of it is dlc by their own definitions. It’s just part of the game. 😂

[@X_TOXICBULLET_X]

@iDeagles honestly first time in a long time if not ever that majority of playerbase is in agreement for something

[@iDeagles]

@@X_TOXICBULLET_X even the cheaters. 😂

[@X_TOXICBULLET_X]

@iDeagles you read that too xD rage hacking new edition owners is WILD

[@jamesvega9215]

Thank you for saying “that’s my notification” I thought it was mine and was about to check and you saved me the trip.

[@Vppelli]

The statement out not having money for servers, is lazy excuse. Why don't you just have local hosting! You are essentially killing to birds with one stone. Let me explain, One you don't need to pay for servers since local host is when a user hosts a game on there PC, allowing others to connect to their PC. Secoundly it allows all EOD owners to play coop pve mode. I just helped BSG save money and make everyone happy.

[@That0Homeless0Guy]

Let's not pretend their "we don't have the servers to support EOD" excuse isn't a lazy lie either. Only a few hours ago they promised us we'd all get free access for 6 months on EOD.

[@davo4074]

"thats my notification" sounds brother i was about to check mine ahaha

[@DEWENTCG]

I don't understand, they gave 6 months for all EODs to access PVE, but they say they don't have enough servers to give all EODs access to PVE forever

[@t1daljpg]

Along similar lines, they said they'd give EOD owners 6 months of free access to PVE, but then now they're offering a discount to get access to PVE with it only being free access after 1.0 release. So which is it? Do we get it for 6 months for free now still? Does this mean that we then either have to pay to keep playing it after the 6 months are up or wait until 1.0 to play it for free? It just doesn't make any sense lmao, and it still doesn't change the fact we should have it for free, permanently, now. On top of that, as you get at here, this totally undercuts any argument about servers being a concern. So they can't give it to everyone now because they don't have the server infrastructure, but they suddenly have the server infrastructure if we all pay for it? Such a joke.

[@libertusprimus]

Axel, you and a few others, you guys are real ones. You may lose some $ but your souls will be intact.

[@jackplowman2103]

There was a page on the website stating what a DLC was in their minds, it stated DLC is after the full release. Saw it 2 days ago on a video and can't find the video now.

[@Athasin]

That would mean everything before release if BASE game... yet clearly not everything released now is in the base game.

[@SSBalla29]

Update: LogicalSolutions is streaming live and just saw Reddit mods delete Nikita's post lol

[@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429]

He's the ultimate dork Malds and complains now currently playing on an unheard account

[@NovoIII]

Logical banned me from his chat for asking if he picks his boogers dude is data mining cry baby lmao

[@austroco9027]

He’s such a cry baby

[@joshuanissen8803]

@@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429 I went to his stream and typed Mald. I was banned in two seconds.

[@Coollateral]

Full game will be released in like 3 4 years. So it doesnt rly matter to EOD owners...

[@michaeldattilo8055]

If you were promised and made a purchase that illustrated what you get, regardless of time your still entitled to the purchase rights.

[@coltonsmith3891]

??? Full release is literally next year

[@Antidepressiva1980]

@@coltonsmith3891 haha, keep dreaming xD

[@Antidepressiva1980]

@@coltonsmith3891 Keep dreaming, haha

[@dardevil5924]

It matters to me and I'm an EOD player. What has happened is a big middle finger to me and my friend. She bought us both the game and it's insane to drop $500 just for both of us to play PVE together. It's extremely dishonest to advertise ALL future additional content as free, and then they remove that version and say "Oh sorry you must drop $250 to access content even though we gave an incentive to purchase EOD". You can't speak for all EOD owners when it comes to this situation - especially with the obvious huge negative connotation given the situation. Many of us are upset about it.

[@Laizic]

ppl dont talk enough that we as eod buyers paid for a gamemode with our money we cant play

[@sgteatasnickers4355]

Isn’t that literally what everyone is upset about? I’d say people are talking about it plenty for so many changes to be made so quickly.

[@jmdoeswhy]

DLC is litetally downloadable content so even patches after launch are considred dlc if it contains more content.

[@Athasin]

This!

[@Technica_IO]

It's like when you buy a dodge Charger at the dealer and they tell you all options included, the price tag is exactly how much the hellcat would cost, and then you go out to the lot to have a look at the car and it's a V6 that looks exactly like a hellcat.

[@basicalllyyy6245]

question is, when will the game fully launch? So us EOD users dont have to wait forever for PVE or we pay extra for it.

[@Zombalam]

I wonder what DLC stands for?

[@beau5934]

Do you think they will give both benefits if you were an EoD who upgraded or bought the unheard edition? Would you still get the EoD benefits?

[@KoongYe]

50% is still way too expensive for what is offered on table.

[@CZProductions]

$50 just to start off with better gear, a few cases, and 0.50 fence rep basically. Definitely not worth for the average person at all

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

50% is still too expensive for what it offers? Then wtf are you bitching about?

[@nasjon2969]

@@CZProductions get a job !!! 50$ for a game people spend thousands of hours on its nothing ! if u cant affort it dont buy it

[@Midzytarkyclipz]

How do I get my $50 back

[@Accuracy158]

It's basically becoming just a supporter edition. EoD is getting almost all of it now but the containers and a few odd things ...Well and immediate access to PvE but apparently that already running rough for the few people who bought in. It clearly needs more infrastructure and time to bake. I much prefer this and would buy it myself but I'm still a little concerned about how non-EoD players get access to the hideout (and whether it will be bad for the game). I still really want a way for standard players to catch up to EoD benefits without spending $250 or the ability to buy just the bits and pieces they are interested in.

[@xzingpopox]

They also announced all that exclusive content for EOD owners (armband, unique dogtag, 20% increase in personal ammo amount purchasable from traders), will they be extending this to former EOD owners who decided to upgrade, or are we just shit outta luck?

[@sergeyk6136]

The funniest thing that there won't be any release

[@tavish4699]

as an eod owner i never expected them to give me in raid benefits , purchased the eod version first and foremost for convenience and also to support them back in 2017 when it stall had been called a russian scam game but this new version is straight up bullshit

[@highbred]

what your describing at 3:00 is exactly how SPT works lol, you spin up a local "server", then launch the game and connect to it. You can even load the server on a second machine and connect to it on your own network to offload the extra load from your main rig, they could just expand that with a peer to peer system to have your friends connect to u and your golden.

[@michaelfomenko1563]

As so many have said already, if they need more money for server space or operating costs then cosmetics is the way rather than basically leaving everyone feeling screwed over.

[@zkielGG]

Thank god a lot of alternatives are coming out. Hopefully they release soon.

[@chrisdissident]

My question is. If they don't have the capacity of servers. What happens if every eod upgraded. Then the pve crashes and no access for anyone.

[@GooseActual]

W for saying that was you're discord notifaction. Thank you LMAO

[@NickBiddle82]

i think the easiest way to square this circle is to treat this PVE mode like an early feature test bed and give SPT an official blessing to exist as long as you're playing with a legal copy of tarkov that you own. Bring SPT out of the wilderness and give the people who want to play with mods the option for a more robust (locally hosted) experience, with the server hosted online PVE as a package item where BSG can work out some AI bugs on their most ardent customers.

[@amentothat100]

What the hell are you going to do with a Left Behind F#cking key!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@c.g.262]

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe just use that account for all your cheats? LOL! If someone just bought a full game, what are they supposed to do with a free half game?

[@alexzhang9468]

@@c.g.262it’s not even half I would say 20% account

[@Midzytarkyclipz]

Exactly why would I want another account when I just dropped $250 on main account. Why would I even want another account

[@sgteatasnickers4355]

For real, the people who’ve already bought the unheard editions are the ones who are really getting screwed lol. Super cool unique to this edition game mode for 100$-250$ just for y’all…. SIKE Idc since it’s supporting the game but it’s annoying they’re doing it right after we buy into it just because people are crying over something dumb

[@reinerhass_ttv5186]

Appreciate your upload and the one from yesterday as well by a alot ♥

[@SnapandBoomGaming]

Look at games like COD and Fortnite it’s a game mode inside the game it’s not a separate game. So it’s a DLC

[@Scott_Zigman]

It is DLC. Also we have no recourse if tomorrow they say we are releasing the game 1.0 and shutdown development and there is no post release "DLC". Then what we paid $150 for nothing.

[@Pukchik322]

i dont see this post on reddit. can i get a link pls??

[@DeeJJamesJames]

Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/EscapefromTarkov.

[@pierce9104]

it was taken down before but it's back up now as a pinned post on r/escapefromtarkov

[@aris67simos]

If its not DLC, with what money did they develop it? didnt the money come from people that paid for the game?

[@manafusion]

My assumption is that they'll charge $50 for the base cost and so only EoD players would need to pay $15 for it. Everyone else gets hyper-upcharged prices to access it. My issue atm is that what they are doing is basically a "we need to placate the EoD players but we'll still ignore the non-EoD players" approach. They clearly still didn't think it through because the way Nikita worded the post to specifically address just the EoD players shows how much he lost touch with reality. Unheard Edition's still $250 (minus the cost of the players' current edition) for non-EoD players. It's still full price for PvE access for non-EoD players.

[@tommyfortress7515]

i am more content now knowing Offline/Official single player will come to EOD editions in the future while they test it out with unheard to finetune it. Glad to see they are selling it seperately too but we will have to wait for price. While i mentioned before i wouldnt give them money The discount and BSG's Attempt to fix things is tempting. I kinda want the other buffs and support them a little more but i know inside that that would be a horrible idea. Good video Axel :-)

[@MrJacoolest]

To think I nearly started playing EFT a month ago... dodged a bullet there! 😅

[@sgteatasnickers4355]

It’s a good game and you’re honestly missing out on a great experience. You don’t have to buy a super expensive edition to have fun. The edition is irrelevant, and so is this controversy if you never bought EOD. Don’t just blindly jump on a bandwagon because of group think. Play the game, you’ll enjoy it. Until you get blasted by a cheater lmao

[@sethedwards2309]

Easy fix is to make the unheard edition accessible from in game progression and make the co op mode free for everyone through host servers leave the full price of unheard edition as a option to upgrade early instead of grinding out in game progression

[@leonvelten3480]

tbh the server situation was pretty much my first thought when they released that unheard edition . I think the issue is that many of these modes and features are being coded and implemented as they come up instead of designing the code from the beginning with all of that in mind like we are used to from AAA devs. This makes it not only very hard and resource intensive to add stuff like offline coop with progression, it also kinda forces you to take a certain approach ( as in, we need servers to host full sessions for only a few people each instead of full lobbys because the code is designed to be running on a server...) honestly i think they are doing the right things now with granting EOD upgrade discount, giving the PVE mode to EOD after release and having it be purchaseable separately ( this is propably the biggest win so a newcomer could buy the cheapest version of tarkov and buy the PVE upgrade instead of having to spend all the money to get the biggest edition when they might not even enjoy PVP)

[@redskies2482]

The server thing feels like an excuse. If they didn't have enough server space they should have probably not released and waited until they did to give the EOD players access as well. I'm happy they are trying to rectify everything but all of the drama could have been avoided if they just followed through with the promises they made and didn't try to be sneaky.

[@ugrena7419]

@@redskies2482 I don't even understand why the co-op part needed to be added right now if their servers can't even handle it. They should've just released it as a single player only feature, and then added co-op either upon full release, or whenever they actually had the infrastructure to handle co-op. Or better yet, just send out invites to test the PvE mode over time, like every other normal beta test ever. Demanding that people pay $250 dollars to beta test shit in a game that itself is a beta is absolutely wild - and no matter how much I think about it I cannot find a valid justification beyond sheer greed and incompetence.

[@leonvelten3480]

@@redskies2482 i agree it feels like an excuse. What i see as a big issue however is that they don't know how many people would even prefer this mode to the normal game. Imagine you set up servers for 50.000 people (just an example number) and they do play a lot in the first days maybe 30-40.000 people play actively but then they get bored and go back to the main game and only 5.000 people keep playing the mode you set so many servers up for. That would be a huge cost factor and propably take some time to roll back. What's done is done now and they massively fucked up for sure but at least there is some light on the horizon instead of "buy this super expensive version to play with your friends in a chill environement"

[@timjeffrey764]

Single player offline would be a great move as not everyone plays with friends .. would stop a lot of people using SPT

[@Greywillson58]

Unfriend or block players that use the Distress Beacon??? Join their game and teamkill... Wondering if this might be a good way to combat that feature and by extent the UE??? Spit balling, any ideas?

[@TryToDieHappy]

just to be sure i googles the meaning of DLC DLC abbreviation for downloadable content: additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features: expansion ( def 9 ). If you buy the DLC, you’ll have access to the new weapon packs. I had more fun playing the DLC than the game itself. so if THEY say DLC is an addition made AFTER the release i fear of further delaying the full release. anyway EA-games had some similar things going and just tried to sugarcoat things by stating lootboxes are just a "suprise-mechanic" .... i get the same feeling from BSG/EFT the entire situation is like a " you get all the dlc´s BUT we do not release any dlc´s. we offer new editions, opportunities and stuff like that BUT NO dlc´s you already paid for."

[@C5Z06CarGuy]

I get that the extra servers for a PVE mode and really even the regular EFT isn't in there budget without extra revenue. They should have just been open about that and had a discussion with the community instead of what they did.

[@donaldskunk8579]

The thing with giving EoD users access to the offline mode just without the coop component for now (as you suggested) is that this would basically be SPT just worse. SPT is free (if you own any version of tarkov) and you can play it basically vanilla or just customize it to whatever way you want to play tarkov. Dont get me wrong, it would still be better than what they are doing right now but it would essentially change nothing game wise for EoD owners ^^

[@Dark-dr2cd]

Nikita's post was deleted lol, they're negotiating ig

[@reinerhass_ttv5186]

The scam towards EoD user became truly real, i mean seriously first of all they say "everything in the the future for EoD users gonna be free and now this. My biggest concern is if we EoD users buy those DLCs which we should have given for free what comes next? Like once they realize that people just gonna pay shit blindly even on false promises they just gonna do it again..

[@sgteatasnickers4355]

Why are people acting like this is the end of the world? It’s a PvE mode, it’s basically like practice mode that’s already in the game but you get to keep your junk. We got arena with EOD and they said we’re getting all the other dlc’s too. A little game mode they originally said they were never going to make as a perk for their newest edition and everyone loses their minds. You paid 150$ 7 years ago and you were happy up until this point because the addition of one irrelevant mode most people probably won’t even give the time of day. All of a sudden the games a scam? What a joke

[@TheBloodshotFilms]

I think the problem is, BSG have a different definition of DLC compared to the playerbase. It was very vague in there wording when you purchased. They also NEVER promised all content for free. They promised all "DLC" For free, which they define differently.

[@bengorraou2602]

nah, i paid for EOD and was promised all future DLCs, this seems to me alot like anchoring

[@superanderson]

It's ironic that if the initial post had been even this transparent and "giving" they likely could have avoided all of this. "Hey guys we have a new PVE mode, to honor our EOD purchasers you are going to get it for free on full release. It's really expensive to run and we expect it to take some time to flesh out the experience so if you want to be an early adopter you can do that by purchasing the new edition". Done deal.

[@Buchanannn]

How do I get my keys?

[@JH-fd9xt]

Me and my friends are hosting friends only SPT. Even has mods to bring in stuff like helicopters , and better ai.

[@8-bite393]

What happens with the „Friend-call - Function“ in an existing Raid? Did they cancel that BS?

[@CaptainSpud88]

I own eod and I wasn’t upset about the extra package honestly .. what does bother me is the way they responded to the whole situation. I also got the new package thinking it was only more items to start with not any pay to win aspects but I’m lucky at this point in time where hundred bucks extra for a game I’ve enjoyed for 3 years is whatever. Does suck that I payed an extra 50 bucks tho lol that also feels bad but that’s what I get for getting new edition on impulse without doing any research

[@iDeagles]

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Good job. 👍

[@CaptainSpud88]

@@iDeaglesyep lol should of watched some videos on how this was gonna be a mess just figured it was some extra gear 😐

[@captainmichael787]

they can definitely do it look at spt it runs off of your computer

[@AimHigherDuh]

“Any player of any version” standard edition too? Cause they only mention eod after that

[@itzn3kro]

i think it means every one can buy PVE but only EOD gets a 70% discount. so PVE will be either way to expensive for non EOD or it's cheap and they just try to yoink another 3$ from EOD owners

[@squirrelm3195]

Dropping DLC before the game hits 1.0 is insane. So is a $250 edition if you’re not EoD

[@KarmicalTV]

it really doesn't matter if they started moving towards the right direction , they already pissed 95% of the playerbase and once you lads went rampant about not buying this only then they change their stance? NAH that aint right

[@Angelfox51]

The PVE gamemode is either a DLC (so EOD must have them) OR it isn't, and if it's not, but it is part of the game, so EVERYONE must have this gamemode. It's like locking the flea market or the hideout behind a paywall. For the offline solution on our PC, well, this already exists!

[@mammedthn]

dlc is what comes after the game is finished eh? so why did eod users get arena for free then ?

[@mrmanchello3474]

the issue with BSG saying you will get all DLC once the game is released is that once the game is released BSG will 100% wipe there hands of Tarkov within a year that's if we're lucky..

[@samtana0]

Thanks for saying it was your notification

[@Tifmusky]

Wish they would have said that we need money out loud and then said that pvp was coming to everyone eventually but it’s out early for those who will pay, obviously delete the very pay to win stuff like the scav go away gadget and the calling teammates. If they would have advertised it as the company needed money to keep running (as they clearly seem to need) then most tarkov players would be more than happy to support them

[@pjackson4601]

Exactly. I would be happy to pay a subscription each month to help offset server costs. Just be honest and upfront with people.

[@sharkscanplay2890]

Honestly some weapon camos would've been cool Changes the game in 0 ways but gives people something to spend money on to support the development of the game. I hate that I purchased the stash space before because I was hoping to support the game

[@stanbakker9461]

Please, someone explain to Nikita what DLC means.

[@deathnz1]

I got the new edition from EOD full price, All my friends own tarkov already that want it. I have no use for extra copy of game its just going on blackmarket for cheaters to buy. Give us something like keytool, magcase, more guns etc. Give us all the things EOD is having, maybe just go ahead and make custom clothes something cultish to go with the theme. Let us choose which unique ID to use. Add more clothing, skinned weapons, voicepacks, emotes. Imagine how many people would buy a one tap voiceline and griddy emote from stankrat. So many better ways to go about it, yeah clothing isnt selling good right now because its just basic reskins, Needs to be a little unique.

[@33Loki33]

PvE coop is both a major addition to the game as well as a new functionality...

[@kaykanchev8563]

If someone can explain to me why would an EOD owner buy TUE. To test the pve feature? Which btw you will get for free at release? Am I the only one that thinks this makes no sense?

[@captain7883]

You surely are not because that's literally what Axel said in the video

[@i3lackfusion]

Bought it shortly after release because a standard edition friend of mine upgraded and wanted to play PvE together. Now that it will be included in EOD at a later time (if nikita sticks to what he says this time, who knows) I’ll see if I can get a refund from Xsolla or just get a chargeback via PayPal or my bank

[@Diss3mbled]

I think this was a solid response.

[@Kevalanium]

So lets get this straight they do Arena which bombed and nobody wanted. Then you drop a PVE mode locked up a $250 price tag or $100 for EOD owners and then you don't even have the server space for the PVE mode? at that point, why did they even drop it did they just get whacked in the head too many times, that's just out right stupidity lmao.

[@dogwort]

server can't host on your pc... game would not run lol 3:00

[@xJarlaxle]

So if you bought the Unheard Edition for the more expensive price, they compensate you by giving you a lesser edition? In what world does this make sense?

[@Name-xs3bd]

They give you a lesser version roughly equivalent to the money spent. I don’t know the exact costs but if you bought the version for $100, and they lowered it to $50, instead of refunding you $50, they give you a key for an old version that costs $50 as well. Not saying I agree with it, but that’s the logic.

[@sirbiscuit460]

They give you an extra game key to give to someone else. It's like a company ripping you off, being forced to pay you back, and they do it in store credit. They should refund you.

[@user-rb7kg3nd6g]

At least in Russia the "Shitheard" edition now costs 2750 RUB from EOD and left behind costs 2900, so it kind of makes sense

[@brin57]

If you paid $250 for it, you deserved to be scammed

[@TheAmethyz]

They are giving the "left behind" edition key so that people give that to their friends who then realize they need to upgrade and buy "expansions" so they spend money so win win for BSG

[@VenatorMortis]

I bought the unheard addition and im really enjoying it however im not happy that they are going people a 50% discount on the upgrade but i get a free key that i cant use

[@alexzhang9468]

Ur the idiot for buying it day one

[@KyleFromVA]

Yea same the hell am I supposed to do with a key? This games on fire no one’s gonna want it and that doesn’t really recoup me the 50-60 bucks I don’t get back lol

[@rivenness]

How about the p2w aspects of the Unheard Edition? They did not say anything about it..

[@williamilles7681]

Which pay to win bro? The 2 pockets and the kukri? The new version has nothing more in raid than eod has. Only the 2 pocketplace+

[@rivenness]

@@williamilles7681 pockets i don't care. Weapon case, ammo case, scav junk at the start of the wipe with meta guns with good ammo are all p2w stuff. Those things will remove the feeling of a hardcore realistic game and puts the owners at a huge advantageous position. Even having a weapons case takes too much time in game and with the other cases at the start you dont even ever have to think about stash management again.

[@srt7248]

​@@rivennessthe item that allow to summon people from your friends list during mid raid?

[@samm.4449]

All they have to do is upgrade EOD owners to unheard for free and remove the items that makes scavs not shoot at you and the drama would be over in a heartbeat.

[@Blitz-cw1mn]

so standard coop comes with EOD meaning its a dlc but coop WITH PvE isnt a dlc??

[@notlandyn7677]

It's not a belief it is a fact that it is downloadable content it's not a vague term and you can't redefine it. It's not your reality it's just reality. It takes maybe an hour to call and get more servers put toward your project, but... they don't have the money soo... They don't want private servers because that is giving more capability to SPT

[@i3lackfusion]

It’s not a vague term at all. It’s defined as what the name indicates it to be „additional content that can be purchased as a separate item for a videogame“

[@notlandyn7677]

@@i3lackfusion so we agree?

[@i3lackfusion]

@@notlandyn7677 damn, only now on 2nd read got your first sentence correct, my bad. Thought you were shilling.

[@notlandyn7677]

@@i3lackfusion lol I wrote it in bed so it was worded poorly but no Im pissed about this. I don't mind paying $50 for the new PVE honestly ($100 was ridiculous)but I just don't want the game to be killed off by greedy dev.'s

[@zmitmail]

delay the function of PVE until release

[@jaxzian]

Make it peer2peer instead of server bound and make it so you can play this pve ofline fully is the best option and then you can opt to pay for the new edition if you want to use their servers

[@PROdotes]

If you re-define the PVE mode as "not dlc", cause DLC is after release, then it's part of the core game, and then you have to give it to everyone...

[@Biller2334]

If they would sell PVE base mode for $90, that would be even more of a robbery lol. My guess is around $25 then EOD owners get it for $7.50 or so... Which I wouldn't mind one bit, because I could contribute to development without feeling scammed.

[@Souredsoup]

2:53 You mean SPT-AKI? The modded version of EFT that is free and all you need is a legit copy of EFT already? 😄

[@savageking7268]

nikita didnt write that lmFAO, that was his lawyer

[@Mo0nkey]

The problem was EOD limited Edition was 7 years to buy. 80% of the playerbase have today EOD. This is not limited Edition and earns not more money for BSG on long term.

[@ugrena7419]

This isn't a valid excuse though. There are plenty of other games that have been in development for insane amounts of time that haven't done this and are still going strong. It would be one thing if it was just a new edition to replace EOD, but to paywall actual content behind it is absurd. Even "scam" games like Star Citizen don't do this shit.

[@mega-ri7vc]

Even at %50 thats still $120 USD, Hell its even worse in Aus being priced at $180 AUD due to Euro conversion

[@killowz]

It's 50$ plus tax. The upgrade is only for upgrading not a new purchase.

[@fernandoferraz3527]

They should have holded this game mode until 1.0, and focus on releasing 1.0. And then give this mode with a personal private side server for people to do pve coop on servers hosted within their pc and not bsg servers.

[@Kenny7100]

2 eyes open, how much did you pay for the second eye DLC?

[@raideracex5476]

its not perfekt but iam mostly ok with that. The only thing left is that they have to offer the PvE Tarkov as a separate editione.

[@phelementslife2353]

they could have made money with more gun skins, more in game clothes, and patches with cross overs from helldivers for example, gun charms, engravings on your weapons with your name or funny quote, voice command packs with more in game sayings ANYTHING like the stuff listed above would have been fine with community for them to get some revenue instead of p2w mechanics bc for me personally idc about getting PVE mode because I want to fight players not only AI.

[@Midzytarkyclipz]

Why would an extra key help the ppl that paid the $100 for the upgrade, I don’t understand

[@Montgumerz]

@4:24 everyone just opened their discord to check XD