Buckle Up $50 Budget Upgrade | Precon Power-Up (UW Vehicles)

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Nitpicking Nerds

Nitpicking Nerds

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@yumyumeatemup
@yumyumeatemup 2 жыл бұрын
Really excited for the Gruul Precon myself personally. Gonna do a little modification of my own on that precon and call it oops all swords! Sword of Truth and justice is gonna love this deck LOL
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Truth and Justice is like "FINALLY a place to be played"
@mfitkin
@mfitkin 2 жыл бұрын
I think all the graveyard recursion is if you run shorikai as the commander, he’s like a fatty perpetual timepiece in the command zone
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
That is completely fair!
@lawrencelamontagne328
@lawrencelamontagne328 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this video through a second time and realizing the same thing.
@Myrdin90
@Myrdin90 2 жыл бұрын
They tooled this entire re-make around Kotori, Pilot Prodigy The Cards they took out and put in: -Jace, Architect of Thought (Any Tezzeret would be better) -Release to Memory -Drum Bellower (doesn't untap Vehicles) -Swift Reconfiguration -Mirage Mirror (I disagree with this) -Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle (Great card, but not for this deck) -Cataclysmic Gearhulk (anti-synergy because this deck wants to go wide with creatures and artifacts) +Echo Storm (Better to clone the best vehicles than to play bad ones) +Saheeli's Artistry (Better to clone the best vehicles than to play bad ones) +Phyrexian Metamorph +Tempered Steel +Forsaken Monument -Raiders' Karve -Mobilizer Mech (everything is supposed to have Crew 2 so we can already crew everything) -Imperial Recovery Unit (Too slow?) -Aeronaut Admiral -Katsumasa, the Animator -Armed and Armored -Dance of the Manse ("How do we get a bunch of Vehicles in our graveyard?") +Consulate Dreadnought +Conqueror's Galleon +Mechtitan Core +Reckoner Bankbuster +Anchor to Reality +Deadeye Quartermaster +Whir of Invention Artifact Adds: -Riddlesmith -Whirler Rogue (I disagree with this) -Indominable Archangel -Hanna, Ship's Navigator (6mana get back 1 thing, 9 for 2) -Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage -Ironsoul Enforcer (This card is here for one of the alt-commanders, not Kotori) +Vedalken Archmage +Mirrodin Besieged (makes Myr that can crew or block) +Digsite Engineer (2 mana for 5/5s or more!) +Padeem, Consul of Innovation (the Archangel wishes it was Padeem!) +Bronze Guardian (across the board MVP) Ramp, removal & Card Draw: (Most of the RRCD in this deck are good already) -Silver Myr -Gold Myr -Arcanist's Owl +Prismatic Lense +Jhoira's Familiar +Scaretiller (If you have a fetchland, like Evolving Wilds you can crew and play the fetch every turn!) +Daring Thief +Thought Monitor (1 mana -> draw 2 cards!) +Shimmer Dragon (bonkers) Lands: (There are way to many basics in this deck, what the heck?!) -17 basic lands +Razortide Bridge +Darksteel Citadel +Ancient Den +Seat of the Synod +Buried Ruin +Flood Plain +Irrigated Farmland +Nimbus Maze +Glacial Fortress +Deserted Beach +Geier Reach Sanitarium +Mirror Pool (can copy Vehicles if we crew them) +Myriad Landcape +Evolving Wilds +Terramorphic Expance +Ash Barrens Overall thoughts: It's a little janky, not a lot of ways to win the game, but the deck is cool and fun to play. No infinite loops, no ridiculous snowballing, no alternate win conditions, but you get to smack your opponents with super cool, massive mechs!
@reillysullivan1054
@reillysullivan1054 2 жыл бұрын
You are so wrong about swift reconfiguration, turning your own creature in to a vehicle and never crewing it is really powerful
@clanechelon
@clanechelon 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, if your commander is not reliant on combat, its a protection spell. I can see it over perform in some meta. Sometime you just need to survive one more turn and it can hose a blightsteel colossus for at least a turn.
@ramirr
@ramirr 2 жыл бұрын
@@clanechelon so can a vanilla 2/2
@clanechelon
@clanechelon 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramirr i think you are missing the point where a 2/2 vanilla offers no flexbility and is easily removable if its the only thing protecting you from Blightsteel... But nice try ;)
@d5o1001
@d5o1001 2 жыл бұрын
Also if you can turn someone else's creature into a vehicle it will give you more time to build.
@mattiavenier3898
@mattiavenier3898 2 жыл бұрын
Following you on moxfield just now guys! Let's keep the nerds at the top of moxfield. Love your content.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you! Nerds forever!
@FoldyHold
@FoldyHold 2 жыл бұрын
Swift reconfiguration is insane and really worth keeping imo. Although one may not run a lot of creatures in the deck at the very least you can throw it on the commander and never crew so you keep static ability and that goes with any creature youre running in the deck you may want to keep out. It also can act in some cases as a board wipe protection or even tsuedo spot removal if desperate.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
If this card isn’t combining we strong advise against playing it
@dantemalick2872
@dantemalick2872 2 жыл бұрын
Its won me games vers an opponents voltron galea deck nothing like telling the guy with like 5 creatures in his entire deco he needs to crew his commander
@UnexpectedDanger
@UnexpectedDanger 2 жыл бұрын
It's a really great card, but sometimes people don't really understand the depth of what's possible. I've seen very smart players who are totally clueless about certain cards, concepts, perspectives, or strategies. It happens.
@adriftz91
@adriftz91 2 жыл бұрын
Any way we can get a decklist of the cards added/removed without having to reference the pre-upgraded decklist against your moxfield decklist?
@ersatic
@ersatic 2 жыл бұрын
+1 to this, the description usually contains this info and I was surprised that this one didn't; it's usually the most useful info for this series. That being said, keep up the great work @Nitpicking Nerds
@TimothyLeason
@TimothyLeason 10 ай бұрын
late but now you can use moxfields compare tool with the original deck
@warl54961
@warl54961 2 жыл бұрын
Drumbellower is great with vehicles! It let's you untap your creatures to re-crew your vehicles to use as blockers!
@warl54961
@warl54961 2 жыл бұрын
Like really, i feel that's a huge miss here. You even have a side token generation theme. So you crew your vehicles on your turn. and on enemy turns, in response to the untap, crew your vehicles again with your excess tokens, getting to untap all your vehicles and crewing creatures all at once. So you always have your vehicles up. and just play around board wipes when you feel one is impending.
@Maverick2736
@Maverick2736 2 жыл бұрын
@@warl54961 "getting to untap all your vehicles-" Drumbellower alone doesn't allow that. You crew a vehicle to turn it into a creature, then it attacks, and when your turn ends it stops being a creature. Then during your opponent's untap step, Drumbellower lets you untap all your creatures... but the vehicles you attacked with remain tapped, because they stopped being creatures before your opponent's upkeep. For the tapped vehicles to be reusable for blocking, you'd need something like an Unwinding Clock to be able to untap them. You're right in that Drumbellower is more useful than these guys think, though.
@warl54961
@warl54961 2 жыл бұрын
@@Maverick2736 can't you simply crew your vehicles again before the untap? I've played against this precon multiple times and they always seem to have more pilots than you need
@warl54961
@warl54961 2 жыл бұрын
@@Maverick2736 I could be wrong. I'm not sure anymore if a player has priority before things untap
@iBloodxHunter
@iBloodxHunter 2 жыл бұрын
@@Maverick2736 Vehicles can crew at Instant speed even while tapped so if you are allowed to make actions during your opponents Untap then it works by just recrewing them during it.
@kstone2damax
@kstone2damax 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why they made Kotori the front-of-box commander. Imo Shorikai is much stronger and the deck seems more geared toward it.
@ne0komodo
@ne0komodo 2 жыл бұрын
Vehicle is a rather niche and unknown concept for newer players. Maybe the same reason why we don't have werewolf precon for two previous Innistrad sets. Pre-con commanders are usually straight forward to play.
@d5o1001
@d5o1001 2 жыл бұрын
Also, many of the cards they are throwing out really make Shorikai shine. If I can trash a bunch a good vehicles and bring them straight to the battlefield it's a no brainer.
@iBloodxHunter
@iBloodxHunter 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is because you can just use her to crew the Shorikai and search for it using something like Arcanist's Owl or Anchor to Reality.
@richarizardplays9619
@richarizardplays9619 2 жыл бұрын
I guess they built these recommendations with Kotori in mind. Can you make 1 about Shorikai? I think it's the better commander for this deck. (IMO of course and based on XP)
@spudster8887
@spudster8887 2 жыл бұрын
A really cool pick for this deck is Minn, wily illusionist, you can trigger her every turn with the mech as your commander, which gives you more bodies for crewing and a way to put lands into play in blue
@theotherguy4478
@theotherguy4478 2 жыл бұрын
Add Unwinding Clock to the deck and Minn can be triggered on everyone's turn.
@spudster8887
@spudster8887 2 жыл бұрын
@@theotherguy4478 I added that along with intruder alarm, and iso rev as the first changes to my version
@iBloodxHunter
@iBloodxHunter 2 жыл бұрын
10:00 As somebody that plays the deck in Standard, the reason they put this stuff in there is because people actually use Artifact/Enchantment removal and your vehicles die.
@jacetheace517
@jacetheace517 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I watch a video and I'm like "these guys get it". And others I wonder if they've ever actually played a game of commander.
@porkdumpster3110
@porkdumpster3110 2 жыл бұрын
Swift reconfiguration turns your own creature into an artifact and dodges removal, turning it into an enchantment basically. Converted mine to Alela, her as basically an enchantment, is nice.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
That sounds... bad
@porkdumpster3110
@porkdumpster3110 2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds Investing a bunch of mana into your commander again sounds bad.
@linkal_8097
@linkal_8097 Жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds it’s actually surprisingly good for less combat focused decks, it’s not just a combat trick, it’s a protection spell that permanently makes your commander (or any target) harder to remove. The gravy to the card is that it also doubles as janky removal, I feel like you guys are missing the value on this card
@vincentrutledge9445
@vincentrutledge9445 2 жыл бұрын
The anger in both of your eyes when the person either says or doesn’t say Ferrari is hilarious.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Our "old married couple" is showing
@Cantthinkofname-rp3iw
@Cantthinkofname-rp3iw 2 жыл бұрын
Was excited for this deck hopefully it drops to like 15 dollars given the horrible reprint value
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
That would be awesome!
@bendiv7999
@bendiv7999 2 жыл бұрын
And suddenly blastoise becomes a 25 Dollar rare
@RedCometNurse
@RedCometNurse 2 жыл бұрын
I am converting this deck into a 4-color Breya, Etherium Shaper deck that is all Artifact Creatures (Alibou, Ancient Witness as a sort of secret Commander). I am definitely going to have fun with this one.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
I am doing a breya deck similar
@RedCometNurse
@RedCometNurse 2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds That new Non-Artifacts board wipe is going to feel so good to cast!
@ArchangelJaceAscended
@ArchangelJaceAscended 2 жыл бұрын
I had the exact same idea! I wanted to use Alibou with Kotori so I started building this on Moxfield. I named the deck "I, Robot." But I haven't really developed it too much.
@RedCometNurse
@RedCometNurse 2 жыл бұрын
@@ArchangelJaceAscended Mine is going to be called "IT'S A GUNDAM!" or "Autobots, Roll Out!". I already have much of what I need for it, just gotta jam it together.
@suenldspker
@suenldspker 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to buy this deck and upgrade it!! cheers for the video guys!
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! :D
@mechaThor
@mechaThor 2 жыл бұрын
Some cards I like for this precon based off of some modern Blue Steel lists I think could be fun: Throne of the God-Pharoah (you’re going to be tapping to crew, why not deal extra damage to all opponents?), Chief Engineer (gives Convoke for all our artifact spells, should test, but could help with ramping out our bigger vehicles!), and Grand Architect (similar on the ramp theme, and also puts our 1/* blue drops into crew range with Kotori). Exited to play the precon & upgrade from these recommendations!
@willmyers9013
@willmyers9013 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree with the mirage mirror. You can make it a Blightsteel colossus in a pinch if possible
@thetasworld
@thetasworld 2 жыл бұрын
It's scientifically proven that wishing everyone, happy birthday each day of the year, makes the world a better place.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
This is true!!!
@MrNbkelly
@MrNbkelly 2 жыл бұрын
Can you post an upgrades list by itself in addition to the upgraded list? Makes it easier to see quickly what to buy.
@willleonard7439
@willleonard7439 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that I now know how Ferraris work. Additionally, kitty in the video was a great addition.
@nikolaschiotakis9400
@nikolaschiotakis9400 2 жыл бұрын
If you guys could do a Shorikai deck that would be amazing!
@dudi-youtube
@dudi-youtube 2 жыл бұрын
+1
@christopherpoxon9508
@christopherpoxon9508 2 жыл бұрын
I knew when I bought it this deck was going to be bad but Thank you so much for helping rebuild it.
@yoricktop8649
@yoricktop8649 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite deck i have currently is a Hanna, ships navigator deck, when Beezy said it was a good card i almost fell off my seat. When i cast my commander my playgroup jokes that i have nothing better going on or i would have played something else, it is literally the worst card in my deck, but i love her.
@dac314
@dac314 2 жыл бұрын
Every deck SHOULD have recursion, because someone really could be red-green hating out your artifacts, and then you've gotta lot of pilots and nothing else. Always gotta have recursion, gottdayumn.
@crispycaveman9164
@crispycaveman9164 2 жыл бұрын
An actual win con is to go infinite with intruder alarm and a mana myr. Draw your whole deck play your other mana dorks. Make infinite mana gain infinite life with immortality elixir and then discard your deck and reanimate with dance of the manse counter anything let it resolve. Get your counter magic back with immortality elixir and then cyclonic rift and attack for game
@crispycaveman9164
@crispycaveman9164 2 жыл бұрын
Or just tap untapped 15 pilots with halo fountain
@crispycaveman9164
@crispycaveman9164 2 жыл бұрын
This deck can win on turn 3 or 4 with a good opening hand
@TheUkuleleViking
@TheUkuleleViking 2 жыл бұрын
I think there are a lot of things that you missed on the "bad cards". For example, swift reconfiguration. Put it on your own guy to make him harder to target. Vehichles are not creatures so they are harder to get rid of.
@KevinYuMusic1
@KevinYuMusic1 2 жыл бұрын
I have been trialing a kykar and alela vehicles build - it is surprisingly efficient and somewhat good
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Cards are so cool!
@deadNdivine12
@deadNdivine12 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely slapping an intruder alarm in this deck somewhere.. if I decide to play it haha. Good video fellas.
@kyubikirby
@kyubikirby 2 жыл бұрын
on the topic of basics, I do have a deck with over 30 basics, but it is mono color, and is indeed Sasaya, Orochi Ascendant. and she absolutely cares that they are basics, but yeah, any of my other decks run a lot less basics, even mono-colored.
@SirCorn
@SirCorn 2 жыл бұрын
"Will you say 'Ferrari', please?" "No."
@einhauchvontull5206
@einhauchvontull5206 2 жыл бұрын
Best moment in the video 🤣
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
I agree :P
@ThunderstruckElectronix
@ThunderstruckElectronix 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't mirage mirror help you by copying your strongest vehacles?
@AbyssArray
@AbyssArray 2 жыл бұрын
I have found at my table that artifact wipes have been increasing in value, my cousin does play stuff like Mana Crypt and Moxes, and more than once, Culling Ritual has shut him out of the game. Bane of Progress has also been quite nasty, my roommate runs it in his Halana and Elena deck, since it does place +1/+1 counters on itself and it has the synergy for the deck Losheel, Clockwork Scholar could be neat, it can draw you a card a turn and also prevent the dmg against your Vehicles to help protect them I love the utility land suggestions, I'm a big fan of utility lands, I may be a bit greedy with my Utility lands, trying to squeeze out the most out of my land base lol. I feel like they royally screwed this deck up from the getgo, though it may be due to vehicles not being great cards to add to a collection.. but they could have at least added a solid mana base and mana rocks: Talisman of Progress, Wayfarer's Bauble.. Pain land would have been a nice choice too, and the utility land options mentioned in the video
@molkosaurus
@molkosaurus 2 жыл бұрын
nice one! I'm waiting for the 2 decks I bought in prerelease. I also have a Depala, pilot exemplar of vehicles and dwarfs wich is really funny!
@WayfarersBauble
@WayfarersBauble 2 жыл бұрын
How can Wizards throw 30 friggin' basics in a precon and not include me? It's asinine.
@kegluneqs1011
@kegluneqs1011 2 жыл бұрын
in an artifact deck no less
@mmartak
@mmartak 2 жыл бұрын
My only two cents: the new decklist is a bit creature-heavy. I'd replace a lot of those slots with more target removal / creature-focused board wipes. You're also not taking advantage of creature lands in the land slots...those make excellent pilots for the vehicles.
@LuisAGuti
@LuisAGuti 2 жыл бұрын
I did a Sidry deck with vehicles and is great and powerfull
@humanname1458
@humanname1458 2 жыл бұрын
Scaretiller with this mana base is absolutely BASED
@christophervennix9861
@christophervennix9861 2 жыл бұрын
Consulate Dreadnought is an odd choice. Early game its fine, you might get a couple free shots in with it. Stalemate it probably doesn't give you an advantage, most people can afford to throw chump blockers under it, vanilla big attackers rarely lead to winning board states. If you are behind on board you probably don't have your commander out or enough bodies to crew it and it does nothing if it can't be crewed. If you are ahead on board its not too bad, a 7 power lifelink/vigilant swing its pretty good but there are better pieces that you can draw.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
It is a cheap vehicle that comes out early and beats down all games. Vehicle are overall pretty bad
@jwromero23
@jwromero23 2 жыл бұрын
As a fellow Timmy player like Joe you can tell he's way more hyped about this vehicles deck! I'll say it with you Joe! FERRARI! Two Ferraris are indeed better than one!
@jwromero23
@jwromero23 2 жыл бұрын
Also side note I plan on being obnoxious with my play group and making absurd engine noises, mech noises as well as playing the gundam wing theme for ambiance. My play group hates me 😔
@theotherguy4478
@theotherguy4478 2 жыл бұрын
@@jwromero23 You'll have to do the "t minus x seconds" with the launch sound afterwards.
@jarendavidson5758
@jarendavidson5758 2 жыл бұрын
NEW NITPICKING NERDS VIDEO!
@Dovahkiin2406
@Dovahkiin2406 2 жыл бұрын
i didn´t even THINK about cloning the best vehicles instead of playing mediocre ones. seeing it this way, clone effects actually are vehicles so that gives me something to think!
@dab022
@dab022 2 жыл бұрын
Please do one for the mech commander as well.
@Arosium
@Arosium 2 жыл бұрын
“Will you say Ferrari please?” “No” Gold.
@marcocolombo4495
@marcocolombo4495 2 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone, could you have the list of cards to add and remove from the precon-deck? Thank you
@patrickflynn1481
@patrickflynn1481 2 жыл бұрын
Just showed you guys some love with my last TCG card purchase!
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Woohoo we appreciate you!!
@Cybershroom
@Cybershroom 2 жыл бұрын
Turning Buckle up into a powerhouse. Pick shorikai as commander and shove in an Intruder alarm into your deck.
@AndrewBater
@AndrewBater 2 жыл бұрын
I think they were worried about blood moon when they made this deck
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Cars hate red moons!
@mjvane46
@mjvane46 2 жыл бұрын
Danse of the manse seems like very strong recursion, because it also makes fhe vehicles into creatures. It definately has the issues you mentioned of only working after you get vandalblast, but i also run command the dreadhord in decks that have no sacrifice or mill themes (i understand ctd is better because it hits other yards). I dont even strongly disagree, just would rather playtest it a few times befpre cutting it, because its absurd in my alela list
@metagrossle
@metagrossle 2 жыл бұрын
But, the myr can crew vehicles? So they are a better top deck than a normal mana rock. Or a familiar.
@alexeilassistant
@alexeilassistant 2 жыл бұрын
Joe wants to name this deck Ferrari's Wake
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and yes
@iisaka_station
@iisaka_station 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video thanks
@powec12w
@powec12w 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone have a list for just the cards that got added
@byronsmothers8064
@byronsmothers8064 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if integrating some of kaladesh's boros vehicle×pilot toolkit & running akiri & galcian in the CZ would make for an interesting respec..
@MBison-fs8vp
@MBison-fs8vp 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure how Emry is still in the deck with all the other cards that got cut
@certaingloom3797
@certaingloom3797 2 жыл бұрын
For of Aeronaut Admiral, they could have reprinted Vedalken Humiliator instead.
@EJsGameplay
@EJsGameplay 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a "Just the upgrades list" link?
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
We did not make that but we can.
@EJsGameplay
@EJsGameplay 2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds If not it's fine, it's just really convenient to not have to cross reference the upgraded list with what was already in the precons.
@Ilasperr
@Ilasperr 2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds please do , it would be much appreciated.
@DeathMonkey21834
@DeathMonkey21834 2 жыл бұрын
do you think that it would be good to good Esper to include Greasefang?
@iBloodxHunter
@iBloodxHunter 2 жыл бұрын
From my limited amount of experience, making the deck into an Esper deck completely changes its playstyle. Debatable that it's for the better, it becomes a Grixis style Cycling deck instead of a pseudo aggro-midrange
@DeathMonkey21834
@DeathMonkey21834 2 жыл бұрын
@@iBloodxHunter yeah I have been playing around with it and it doesn't make sense as you need to get get cards in the graveyard find GreaseFang and by that time you can already cast the big vehicles. Is there other cards that would make sense to move into black for? My idea now is just for fun low power. I am also thinking going five color for full jank.... And call it the Jankyard Vehicle deck
@iBloodxHunter
@iBloodxHunter 2 жыл бұрын
@@DeathMonkey21834 Eh, there's only a couple that I can think of. There's a Saga that buffs vehicles, the 4 mana Aura that destroys a creature on ETB works ok, there's Mojutai Soulripper which is pretty good and aside from that just generic discard outlets and removal. We're talking about Commander though which is a format I have little experience with and you have access to most of the card pool. I'm only thinking of NEO cards, there's stuff like the Leiges, there's the EMN Legendary searcher Thalia's Lancers. Speaking of jank, I'm using a copy of Coax From the Blind Eternities since the deck came with like 3 ways to get off color mana so I can play an "Extra Deck" of Eldrazi, mostly Emerge cards.
@sebastianmarkow6822
@sebastianmarkow6822 2 жыл бұрын
Cutting Mobilizer Mech and Recovery Unit is such a mistake.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like adding them is a purely defensive move when we can't proactively put vehicles in our graveyard
@mrgarneau4895
@mrgarneau4895 2 жыл бұрын
It really feels like the deck is going between using Kotori or Shorikai as the Commander. Half the cards feel like cheap vehicle pilots and expensive to crew vehicles, and the other half feels like a controlling GY matters deck. The deck almost feels like it's at odds with itself as both potential strategies don't necessarily work together well
@Maverick2736
@Maverick2736 2 жыл бұрын
I think WotC should release these precons with the intent of just using a single commander in the deck. They're going "if we add multiple commanders in the deck and make the deck in a way that makes all the commanders (half-assedly) work, people will like it more because variety sells! And if they need to customize the deck to make it work better with a single one of the commanders in it, then they'll buy boosters!" And that just takes away value from the purchase. If an EDH precon purchase isn't worth it because it's half-assedly built and the value of both the reprints and new cards is getting cheaper with every release, why keep buying precons in the first place?
@stachio4265
@stachio4265 2 жыл бұрын
Have preordered the deck already but still deciding on which commander to use out of Shorikai and Kotori; any thoughts on how Shorikai fares at the helm of the deck?
@PointySuperman
@PointySuperman 2 жыл бұрын
Shorikai provides more consistent, immediate value as a pilot generator and card draw machine. You need pilots to crew vehicles, and it acts as a vehicle in addition to everything else.
@shawnwilt7196
@shawnwilt7196 2 жыл бұрын
Why does no one include treasure mage in these rebuilds? I see lots of potential for it. Am I wrong? Or conjurer's closet for that matter.
@swiftmic8402
@swiftmic8402 2 жыл бұрын
OMG you guys are so wrong about swift reconfiguration! You will see!
@equos5060
@equos5060 2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy cause none of those decks are my jam. Bought Planar Portal instead. Loving it!
@ArchangelJaceAscended
@ArchangelJaceAscended 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I love Jace (obviously) but that Jace does absolutely NOTHING for that deck. First card I decided to cut, too with my theoretical build (since I'm still waiting on the actual deck to arrive). Drumbellower was also one of the first ones I cut because it works SO MUCH BETTER in my Garth One-Eye deck, where I want to untap him every turn. And I cut Swift Reconfiguration as well because, yeah, it's just not good removal. I kept Teshar because I think there's still some value there. I put Burnished Hart in and that's a great creature to get back with Teshar. I'm trying out the Gearhulk though, since you can keep a creature and an artifact, but I see your point. I cut the Admiral, too. HIs CC is too high and there's a vehicle that gives them all flying. And yeah, Armed and Armored is pretty bad. Too bad you can't play Reckless Crew to create a bunch of dwarves if you have vehicles but no creatures. Archangel and Enforcer are out for my Boros equipment deck since it's more of a Voltron strategy than this deck, even though Voltron is in it. I like Mobilizer Mech because it's good after a board wipe. You can cast Kotori from your Command Zone and immediately attack with TWO vehicles. If it was more expensive to cast, I'd say cut it, but at 2, I think it's decent. I also cut the Silver/Gold Myr. I like Arcanist Owl. And Thought Monitor was one of the first cards I thought to add. Guys, USE Liquimetal Torque! You don't need much color fixing in a 2-color deck so this is good because it can turn non-artifacts into artifacts, which has a lot of practical applications, including protecting Kotori from your one-sided board wipe. Phyrexian Rebirth is a board wipe that gives you a huge artifact creature. Also, consider: Filligree Angel, Ethersworn Sphinx, Losheel, Sculpting Steel, Duplicant, Sanctum Gargoyle, Steel Overseer, Phyrexia's Core. If you want, you can check out my deck here: www.moxfield.com/decks/oj8XerUbpk6WKVw0cImtVw . It's SUPER budget though because I have a really limited budget. like I can't even afford Phyrexian Metamorph or Shimmer Dragon right now. I'm going to try building it with what I have and then see about getting some budget cards to upgrade. So a lot of my "considering" cards are just cards I don't own at the moment. My mana base isn't finished yet, either. I'm really excited to...ahem...PILOT...this deck!
@christianbusch9476
@christianbusch9476 2 жыл бұрын
a shorikai version would be nice. anyway thumbs up
@turpentinee.o.i5864
@turpentinee.o.i5864 2 жыл бұрын
How many consultants do you have and what resources do you use I’m very curious.
@dominicmetzger3246
@dominicmetzger3246 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not totally convinced Joe knows what Ferraris are since he seems to think they “ram” and “fight” things.
@Tymor666
@Tymor666 2 жыл бұрын
Yay, love the amber include 💕, sad no MDFCs were added tho
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
None really fit this time
@Tymor666
@Tymor666 2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds I feel glasspool would have worked but a lil expensive
@theotherguy4478
@theotherguy4478 2 жыл бұрын
The pathway land would work. Better than having a basic.
@martonferenci
@martonferenci 2 жыл бұрын
Armed and Armored with Isochron Scepter and Unwinding Clock?
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Boooom!
@TheySaidWeSaid
@TheySaidWeSaid 2 жыл бұрын
Watch Murderville with David Arnett. Lol!
@willyrivas4014
@willyrivas4014 2 жыл бұрын
Quick fix vehicles don’t work in this format or in any other so I took them all out and figured something out
@kendelia9609
@kendelia9609 2 жыл бұрын
Love the content gents! Responding to "does mirage mirror go in any deck?" I have an all clones deck and it's amazing there!
@thomasgoetschkes6403
@thomasgoetschkes6403 2 жыл бұрын
"who puts 30 basics in their deck?!?!?!" yea who does that when they can run better lands... pushes away Bant deck with 30 basic lands
@andrewbowser9326
@andrewbowser9326 2 жыл бұрын
You added anchor to reality so your possibly sacrificing artifacts if you don't have artifsct tokens to pay it...
@TheySaidWeSaid
@TheySaidWeSaid 2 жыл бұрын
Beezy is right the face on this card is atrocious. It looks like the old Duracell people commercials.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
I knew something was off!
@humbledgaming382
@humbledgaming382 2 жыл бұрын
Going to a Ferrari dealership with a mirage mirror = free Ferrari.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
"They don't know that I know this one secret trick"
@humbledgaming382
@humbledgaming382 2 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerds "Secret Tech"
@Chaoslorden
@Chaoslorden 2 жыл бұрын
It feels bad to buy this deck because of the poor mana base. Sure, I can slap some lands in there. But there should have been a bunch already in the deck!
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
The man base is a joke
@angrydoge4038
@angrydoge4038 2 жыл бұрын
Why not flash myr instead of raff capashen
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
The myr is an artifact in our artifact deck 😊
@sitdownstar
@sitdownstar 2 жыл бұрын
As a feedback for you guys ... it would be crazy helpful if you provided a raw list of the cards to cut and cards to add. A link to your affiliate link with a list you can load to just buy the suggested upgrades would also probably get you a bunch of affiliate cash because of me. If I could just click a link and buy your suggestions, I'd probably do it for literally every precon upgrade video.
@loganvain3
@loganvain3 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, no MDFC's were added to the mana base? This isn't the nerds I know
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
We were going so ham on the duals! We got some really good ones in that we usually can't fit intot a Power-Up
@crispycaveman9164
@crispycaveman9164 2 жыл бұрын
I'm discarding like 20+ artifacts and then cheating them out with dance and brilliant restoration. How about you loot half your deck then scroll rack for the other half
@bostrandin8460
@bostrandin8460 2 жыл бұрын
why is indomiable archangel in the precon? it turns of half the text of the commander.
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Y'know, this is a good point
@DerpyLaron
@DerpyLaron 2 жыл бұрын
I know this video is a bit older, but you did read the second commander in the deck? That is the "magical" deck that needs the GY stuff and after testing is the better commander. Hindsight is 20/20, but yeah it is funny to see you wonder what those cards is for while Shorikai is just chilling there.
@shiroimarcio
@shiroimarcio 2 жыл бұрын
The deck looks slow, I would put some hatebears, like: Lavinia, archon of emeria, drannith magistrade, ethersworn canonist, etc
@dudemetslagroom8065
@dudemetslagroom8065 2 жыл бұрын
its kinda obvious that all of these "graveyard recursion" stuff is based on Shorikai...Whirler rogue and ironsoul samurai sound ALOT better for him as your commander.
@dominicsandoval2214
@dominicsandoval2214 2 жыл бұрын
As a gruul player. I can safely say that the recursion in this type of deck is needed because I love blowing up artifacts.
@crispycaveman9164
@crispycaveman9164 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should work at wizards with these stupid takes youd fit right in with the team who printed a dupe in the gruul precon
@TheFranchise83
@TheFranchise83 2 жыл бұрын
You need Thran Turbine
@jamesgratz4771
@jamesgratz4771 2 жыл бұрын
This is the classic “buy some of the singles” precons lol. A few new vehicles are cool. But this doesn’t synch well with the black vehicles in neon dynasty
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
I like some of the new space they're exploring with vehicles but I think it was too early to make a Vehicle commander precon, especially since almost all of the new cards aren't very powerful (not that they NEED to be, though)
@chall3ng33v3rything
@chall3ng33v3rything 2 жыл бұрын
Joe “Ferrari” Cherries
@NoMercyFtw
@NoMercyFtw 2 жыл бұрын
Do u guys play precon games the board is wiped at least 2x if not 4x and then u use ur creatures or anything to block to stay alive til the next turn lol at the end of a precon game u r usually at least halfway through ur deck and either those cards r in ur graveyard or hand or both........ When u have the scariest thing onboard u get targeted and it gets removed or exiled and if it doesnt cool then u r winning or going to win............
@ReyaadawnMTG
@ReyaadawnMTG 2 жыл бұрын
Ferraryxian Metamorph
@crispycaveman9164
@crispycaveman9164 2 жыл бұрын
I'm drawing/looting my whole deck in like 7 turns... and you're out here talking about if they destroy them . What a bad take
@LunykStormdragon
@LunykStormdragon 2 жыл бұрын
joe’s little click-click at the start made me laugh out loud!!
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
It was a good sound effect!
@ronmarshall1566
@ronmarshall1566 2 жыл бұрын
It's my happy unbirthday today🤪
@NitpickingNerds
@NitpickingNerds 2 жыл бұрын
Happy bday!
@rthayes00
@rthayes00 2 жыл бұрын
New drinking game...shot for every Ferrari
@kaba9926
@kaba9926 2 жыл бұрын
No mdfc ? :o
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