Buddy Rich Mike Douglas Show 28 August 1970

[@buddyrichable1]

I remember running home from school every day to watch Buddy when he co hosted for a week. Mike Douglas had a great show with the most amazing co hosts. One of the best weeks was when John Lennon hosted.

[@cloudview747]

I had forgotten about Lennon once co-hosting. Thanks. Just checked out some posts of that on KZbin.

[@leodegas7731]

I always liked Mike Douglas as a child of 9 or 10 and didn't appreciate Merv and the others until I was older. Mike was always more personable to a young mind while introducing me to a new world of people. I grew up more because of him.😊🙏 So much laughing and loose comedy on Mike's show.😊

[@lmarsz6839]

I love the 16th note (I think?) bass drum triplets (Bonham style only faster) he just throws in at 12:16 thru about 12:19...so smooth and seamless, if you ever tried to just rip them out like that they are really difficult to just insert them like that...my brain melted when I heard him sprinkle them in there like it was nothing...a whole drum lesson in itself! No matter how many times I see him perform his creativity continues to just blow my mind. Thanks for another great nugget!

[@VegetabIeMan]

L&R Mars not bonham, joe morello bass drum triplets.

[@rayszymarek2920]

Here we see the humor side of Buddy and just like his drumming he can make a statement and it can sting like a rim shot. Hard to make a come back or rebuttal once Buddy has his way and says it like it is. No messing around with Buddy. OK when he does get a chance to solo here behind this small big band he says Volumes and I mean Volumes and that was his way. Come out Swinging like its the last time you can play. Buddy often said this. I take no prisoners when I play drums. That was really what separated him from the rest of the pack. He played drums like there was no tomorrow. He made that small improvised drum solo sound like and it was a WORK OF ART. once again Cloudview thank you for letting us hear our idol.

[@danlc95]

Thanks, Cloudview!!

[@marceibel1131]

Buddy's playing is unbelievable great here..He swings and grooves like mad... Even in a more funky way of playing he does it perfectly... His shuffle is not from this earth here..

[@mobrules29]

This piece sounds like it could have been on "Buddy and Soul" - love the pure 60s vibe of the tune.

[@davidgusick9106]

thanks again, Cloudview Antiquated music, topped only by Buddy drumming at the Playboy Mansion in a fake goatee with some guy dancing the Watusi!

[@Burton_aka]

11:44-thats superb Would love to hear a fully Doctored, re-mastered version. that brass section-lit, lol, the guy in the middle seemed out there...thank you

[@cloudview747]

My pleasure!

[@tonygiovingo6967]

I love the sound of the Rogers drums from that era. Just as good if not better than the Slingerlands of that era...and those were damn good as well !!

[@ricardoguzman114]

Super interesting. Buddy was a good showman and very funny. It is really clear in this interview that Buddy loved the entertainment biz. He always tried to be hip and fit in with whatever was happening. Torme's mustache, sport coat with 70's striped pants, real nice.

[@johnno217]

Thanks cloudview! this is a great interview! did you happen to see the 1976 solo that was posted recently? I think it was from a concert in Ohio. the quality is not the greatest but of course, the solo is. he almost dropped a stick after hitting the splash cymbal but caught it instantly. then he proceeded to go crazy on the splash for a few seconds. mind boggling as usual! Cheers!

[@cloudview747]

Yes I did see that post. Too bad about the quality, but like you say, when the man solos it's always mind boggling. One of a Kind he was.

[@blankowvsingt]

buddy mentions Mussolini... Funny fact Mussolini had a son named Romano Mussolini who composed one of the best Jazz Lps ever called 'Mirage' alongside Italian drummer legend tullio De piscopo whose Lp 'suonando la Batteria moderna' counts to the most sought after drum Lps for hip hop samples since the 80s 🔥

[@francescoferrarese4737]

Very adorable Buddy in a small "combo",very "groovy".

[@roybeckerman9253]

Unusual seeing Buddy playing Rogers drums here, because this was during one of his Slingerland endorsed years.

[@357pick]

Buddy was good friends with Ellis Tollin who owned Music City on Chestnut St. in Philly. The Mike Douglas show originated from Philly. I'm pretty sure that those Rogers drums came from Music City for Buddy to use on the show.

[@DYNODRUM]

@@Shlingerland77 Yes

[@magn8195]

What's the name of the song?

[@cloudview747]

I just checked the Buddy Rich Discography by Doug Meriwether, and unfortunately for this date it says "Unknown Title."

[@burtonrivera5253]

11:41.... O.K.!-Johan O and his orchestra....?

[@ericdreizen1463]

Wasn't the Mike Douglas Show taped in Philadelphia? Would it have been at the local ABC station there for national viewing later that day, or the next day?

[@cloudview747]

Yes, taped in Philadelphia. Not sure about the answer to your second question regarding the timing for national viewing.

[@joecaroselli5858]

Cloudview787. Fun exchange with the three of them. I agree with your words in your "description" about Buddy's performance here. As much as I love Buddy, I never really loved when he had to play a rock/funk type thing. Yes of course, he was still great, but we know that it really wasn't his thing...not 100% anyway. To me, it was just too clean and crisp. I feel the same way when I hear Louie Bellon play a soul/funk groove. (And, remember that I LOVE both of these gentlemen). Personally, I never even loved Buddy's "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy." Also, just my own preference. I love Buddy much, much more on his "West Side Story Medley" than I do on his "Channel One Suite." Similarly, as much as I love Sinatra, I don't love his singing Billy Joel's "Just The Way You Are." Same goes for his version of Stevie Wonder's "You Are the Sunshine of my Life." Or "Bang, Bang, She Shot Me Down," or "Waterloo," etc...Anyway, to me, B.R.'s solos and comping while SWINGING are what I most love about his amazing playing. Having said that, he still plays better here than just about anybody!!! Also, I noticed that this was a Rogers drum set (my favorite of Buddy's endorced brands). Wasn't he already with Slingerland in 1970? Unless this was a leftover set at the Mike Douglas studio that he just used here for convenience to play this one short tune!!! Does anybody know? Anyway, He was an absolutely SUPERSONIC artist!!!

[@cloudview747]

😊

[@rogerherman1487]

Excellent post. Great interview as well. Very interesting. Recently posted was BR from the Statler Hotel with Hamp, Stan Getz, etc, audio only. Do you by any chance have the entire concert on video? Years ago, a video entitled Up Close was released but did not include these segments. Thanks.

[@rhythmfield]

Cheesy rock drumming (even for the time) but Buddy was Buddy and still has my respect-immense creative power even if it wasn’t his natural bag.

[@NelsonMontana1234]

Buddy never did get the rock thing. Or the funk thing. It's ironic since he simultaneously wanted to be contemporary but despised modern music.

[@joesmith34]

The first time i have seen Buddy playing Rock music. 8Him being into jazz.

[@jeantetreault132]

Cheesy rock drumming...you said??? Buddy Rich was far from being cheesy, eventhough he was a natural jazz drummer a whole entire generation of rock drummers were all inspired by him much later after that he had came out of Brooklyn.

[@chuckbehler9253]

You can tell he's trying so hard to adapt to the big changes in music at the time and the poor guy just can't help putting in those ghost hits... playing a straight 4/4beat is something that he just never needed to do... gotta give him credit for doing it even though you can tell he's so disappointed that if he wants to stay relevant that what is popular..the amazing thing is that he pulls it off and it doesn't matter what kind of music he plays...it's always amazing 😁😎

[@cloudview747]

"It doesn't matter what kind of music he plays, it's always amazing." Oh how true. As a KZbin viewer commented: "He Buddyized every piece of music he ever played."

[@budsmith65]

Thanks for finding & posting this. Another winner. I agree, it's not as jaw dropping as some, but I really dig the track. Do you know what the piece is called and if it has been recorded by anyone?

[@cloudview747]

Glad you like. Sorry I don't know the answer to your questions.

[@budsmith65]

Never mind. Thanks again - you're giving me endless hours of pleasure watching these Buddy clips over and over again.

[@cloudview747]

You sound like me. I watch them over and over again too!!

[@gabep6848]

Dear cloudview, I always loved this clip out of the Douglas appearances. Is the actual episode with Gladys "plant" officially available? I've never seen it.

[@cloudview747]

I've never seen it either and I've been collecting for a VERY long time. So even though it may be in the archives for Group W/Westinghouse Broadcasting/ (now under King World Productions), I don't think anyone has a copy.

[@speedoflite1]

60s-70 Buddy endorsed CBS Rogers drums (hidden bass drum logo), before parting ways. Reportedly, he wanted $55,000 annually (plus unlimited equipment) and wanted CBS to support his band with their recording label (recording contract), but CBS refused, and so he split...

[@bigswingface5847]

Never saw a hidden logo Rogers set. The Vox set had the logo hidden. B was with Slingerland in 1968.

[@speedoflite1]

Henry Grossman bought the Joseph Rogers Company in the mid 50s and called it the "Rogers Drum Company." Grossman hired Joe Thompson (inventor/instrument repair guy). Grossman hired Ben Strauss (marketing, sales manager). The company was bought in 1966 by CBS Musical Instruments. Buddy played Rogers drums 1960-1967. CBS pissed Buddy off when they wouldn’t "take care of him,"- so he left. The fact that the "Rogers" logo is missing from the bass drum head, is no coincidence. But, rather a sign of Buddy's unaffiliated status by that time (1970). ...hope that helps.

[@bigswingface5847]

When B recorded the Mercy Mercy album in '68, he was with Slingerland. I have the 1969 Slingerland catalog. B is endorsing his "80N" drumset. So, he was indeed "affiliated" with Slingerland from 1968 thru 1977, then he went with Ludwig in 1978.

[@Johnnycdrums]

Look at "The Velvet Fog" at 7:10. His reaction is priceless.

[@cloudview747]

😯 😁

[@philsilverman6041]

Great wild stuff ! Do you have any Little Richard from Mike Douglas ? He did whole Lotta shakin' goin' on , and others .

[@cloudview747]

No I don't, sorry.

[@Slammintone]

Badass! Maybe Buddy was between contracts with Slingerland, Fibes or Ludwig and took one of his old Rogers endorsement kits to the show?

[@robertboney4493]

That's how rock should be played.

[@archaic2879]

Buddy Rich and Bruce Lee speak in a very similar manner. I listen intently to both, as I would advise anyone reading this comments to do.

[@arame29]

Rogers strikes again! But no label on the bass drum. He was a Slingerland endorser in 1970

[@turnitback]

I like it! You're one of the 3% or so that doesn't say "endorsee" when it's the drummer that does the endorsing.

[@erzug]

While playing a Fibes snare, I believe.

[@arame29]

Torme, with the mustache, looks like a pimp.

[@arame29]

Torme didn't agree with BR's assessment of Frank as the best singer. Also Frank crashed Mel's bachelor party.

[@gabep6848]

While I am at it, why did Buddy choose some of the worst toupees? I love Buddy and he will always be my favorite but it boggles my mind at the choices for hair.

[@cloudview747]

Boggles my mind too, some of the hair choices over the years. Some were okay, but definitely some were downright awful.

[@burtonrivera5253]

13:53...that slow, gradual leer, like ...EH?! Whaddya think ah that?!

[@roybeckerman9253]

Playing Rogers during Buddy’s Slingerland period. The Slingerland chiefs would not have been too happy.

[@charleswinokoor6023]

Too bad Douglas cut off the tail end of Buddy describing how he was ambushed a couple days after he punched Sinatra. Buddy starts off saying it’s the first time he’s publicly told the whole story and he isn’t allowed to finish his thought.

[@cloudview747]

Too bad indeed. A missed opportunity for sure.

[@hawkrider88]

So here's the vibe I get from watching the interaction between Buddy and Mel. I know there is a lot of schtick going on, but still i detect this undercurrent of Mel loving Buddy and Buddy only letting Mel into his universe a bit at a time. Which is essentially what Mel said in his book about Buddy; you were his friend when Buddy wanted a friend. They had long periods when they didn't speak and often Mel wasn't sure why exactly. By the way, Mel was more than a mediocre drummer, he could have played with almost any big band of the time. And he had offers.

[@edellis515]

Riding the crash. 🤣

[@dan0711123]

Who is the Group W "leak"

[@hawkrider88]

Where DO YOU find these things!?

[@cloudview747]

Been collecting BR vids since around 1980 my friend. That's a long time!

[@geoffreydlang]

And you're unleashing the rare ones all at once.. Great stuff!!

[@felixthelmocevallosmorales7218]

Buddy rich Born : 30 09 1917 Died : 02 04 1987 69 años 35 años 104 años (actualmente)

[@burtonrivera5253]

Puts the rugs into perspective. Excellent observation

[@rhythmfield]

Buddy’s humor with Mel was a little rough

[@speedoflite1]

cloudview strikes again! ah, 1970 America. we were just coming out of the turmoil of the hip, groovy, mod, age of aquarious vibe of the 60s. pls explain the meaning of: "gwv - For screening only" again. ... I forget

[@cloudview747]

GWV = Group W video. A screening copy can't be used commercially.

[@speedoflite1]

oh. thanks

[@burtonrivera5253]

11:44...thats a cool jam

[@cloudview747]

😊

[@burtonrivera5253]

Thank you, btw. Unique and individual are difficult to find anymore

[@cloudview747]

@@burtonrivera5253 My pleasure!

[@erzug]

The blonde is Linda Bennett, a singer. Never heard of her.

[@erzug]

Rogers and strange to see him using the crash as a ride cymbal.

[@drytool]

Mel Torme looks good with a mustache.

[@lescook9021]

None of us looked good in a 70's porn stache 😄

[@drytool]

@@lescook9021 What exactly is a "porn" mustache? Made up BS, that's what. You are a sheep.

[@lescook9021]

@@drytool Sorry, I can no longer reply to your comments. I have a hard rule, Never engage the mentally ill.

[@edellis515]

I think he liked jazz

[@wildanS]

The greatest drummer in the world on the smallest drumriser in the world.

[@lanes58]

Wildan. He was the greatest jazz drummer ever. He refused to play any other style of music , because he thought anything but jazz sucked.

[@maxim_hue6089]

@@lanes58 Thats not completely right. He also played funk.

[@jackturchin9182]

You can see that Steve Gadd was influenced by Buddy.

[@marceibel1131]

Yes, and It's pretty obvious, that Buddy had a tremendous influence on Danny Seraphine, too...

[@MrGb1965]

Brady Bunch background music.

[@cloudview747]

Definitely not Buddy's usual kind of music!

[@burtonrivera5253]

Sure... Were you up there? Is there anyone in your DNA whom can identify with it? Comparing this the mainstream fodder is the answer to what is not in your DNA

[@burtonrivera5253]

That's what s in my DNA My grandfather was a trombonist And my father played cornet...and did play this is of music...so...its for them I listen

[@burtonrivera5253]

( they had that degree of musical IQ )

[@buckypreseau7349]

im just now at the age of 45 starting to get into jazz and buddy rich and coltran ect. its all becauase of the movie whiplash. but the problem i have with that movie is it only appears that this students are practicing thier nuts off out of fear, not the love of the craft. when u see guys like mel or buddy they are having a flippin blast!! why not just go to millitary schoole if you want some jaggof yelling in your face. I think that they just try to drive the point home that jazz is a very disciplined type of music a little too hard by portraying the teacher as this militant freaking Nazi type

[@cloudview747]

No doubt, musicians like Mel and Buddy deeply loved their craft.

[@edellis515]

Buddy RULES

[@jeffwillis6071]

George thorogood could be buddy's son.

[@jamesheath7601]

🍌

[@vova47]

Buddy, of course sounded great but why did they have to play that terrible piece of crap instead of some honest Jazz? The musicians certainly sounded like they were capable of it. Pity.

[@marsazorean62]

Yea Yea,great drummer. But what a creep.

[@MoeGreensRightEye]

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