BUDGET Speaker Shootout (Kali LP/IN, Presonus Eris, Focal Alpha/Shape & Edifier)

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@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

buymeacoffee.com/paulthird (if you got any benefit from my video, helps a lot to keep the channel away from paid content) *IMPORTANT THINGS I LEFT OUT DUE TO VIDEO BEING SO LONG* 1. All speakers were placed where they measured and sounded best whether it be on desk or on gator speaker stands. 2. All had iso acoustic pucks underneath when mixing 3. My room is well treated with a decay time of sub 200ms across the frequency spectrum. Desk is placed in the optimal position for the room. 4. Focal shape 65 will have their own video due to being over £1000 a pair 5. All speakers were connected XLR through my Topping Dx7 pro+ which is one of the best measuring DAC's on the market 5. I was not paid by anybody to make the video. Kali, Presonus & edifier allowed me to keep the speakers but I have to send the focals back to distributor 6. There may be hedd type 07 or 15 coming in for me to test. We'll see.

@No.0.o.0 5 ай бұрын

I love my Hedds.

@dornauge1995 5 ай бұрын

please let us know how you like the hedds, they are on my list for a year now.... owing presonus eris e8 gen1 currently

@peterorany 5 ай бұрын

Best of best ever heard are : Hedd type 20 . Forgot 7 .

@Suicide_Squad_SA 5 ай бұрын

I love the presounus sound at 1metre....

@UserGPT991 4 ай бұрын

Ask for Adams A7V or A8H

@paulgr5943 5 ай бұрын

Excelent work. I cant wait for the 1000 - 2000 range video!! ❤

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

It'll all be seperate moving forward. I can't review that many speakers over a 6 month+ period again. It's a massive ballache haha

@akagerhard 5 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Ahh, too bad. Loved this. Plus, those back to back comparisons make a lot more sense for those who are looking to buy/test themselves. But I get it. 6 months and one video is not very time-efficient.

@apextraxx2903 5 ай бұрын

When you do make sure you include the iLoud precisions five or six!

@widedogg 5 ай бұрын

one of my all time great pastimes is shouting HELLO before i start your videos and seeing if i get close to what you go for. you're much better at it than me though.

@kunleodebode 4 ай бұрын

This review - confirms the intelligence and credibility of Paul 3rd. Everything he says here makes 100% sense. Paul, please please remain credible, and never lose your honesty. Do you have a review of Arc 4? Best wishes from me, you add good value to KZbin, and I hope you remain one of the trusted influencers on KZbin.

@PaulThird 4 ай бұрын

Arc video coming very soon

@maddogtungate6740 28 күн бұрын

His mixes are the ultimate confirmation of his credibility. His mixes are fire! Great video Paul.

@PaulThird 28 күн бұрын

🤜🤛

@alemarrena8792 5 ай бұрын

Such a pity you couldn't give us an insight on the Kali's IN-8s V2, which are supposed to be on the top of the Kali line and still under 1.000. I actually own and love them. Bought them based on other detailed reviews. Thanks for the post!

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

Maybe I would feel that the mids were less focused in IN8 due to the low end extension of the 8 inch woofer but I would still experience that lack of forwardness and lack of transient detail. I think I would prefer IN8 in my control room but nothing can beat that ws6.2 sub at that price range. It's a beast!

@noahb6332 5 ай бұрын

I have them too and they definitely are just a bit recessed in the mid range. However with ARC room correction and a sub, they really come to life and are extremely detailed and flat. Remind me a lot of Genelec

@realraven2000 5 ай бұрын

yeah I love them as well. but definitely want to get a sub as well, to get another 10Hz lower... I think they are easy to work with, they're probably not the best for the "couch position" so if you also want to impress your clients, you need to pull them close to the sweet spot.

@alemarrena8792 5 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Thanks so much! I really don't think the mids are recessed in any way or even less focused, at least not less focused than the HS8 I had. But then again, I use the Arc3 software, so maybe I wouldn't know...

@alemarrena8792 5 ай бұрын

@@noahb6332 Yes, I use the Arc3 too and it sounds just perfect to my ears...

@malaclypse1409 5 ай бұрын

So stoked you reviewed and liked the IN-UNF. Was planning on purchasing them soon, and now I have no doubts. Thanks for the vid!

@george0t Ай бұрын

Given that you like the Edifiers so much, I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the Airpulse A300s, which can often be found for $1000 or less.

@QFXmusic 5 ай бұрын

Interesting that you did not get on well with the Alphas :( I had them and thought they were good .... But I only did a few mixes and moved onto the St twin range solo 6 and trio 6.. Have used vocals for 20+ years and find them great.. Speakers are a very personal thing and i think depended on the end user and how good their ears are you pick a speaker for your own ears :) MY ears are well used so maybe your young ears are particular good :) Good Content yet again :)

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

Yeah for whatever reason they were too low mid shy and hyped in the upper midrange but was something I didn't really notice whilst I was mixing. I just trusted them and ran with it. Was only after I put the mixes on other systems I trust that I could hear just how different they sound to me. The shapes sound VERY different to the alphas. Completely different

@portley777 Ай бұрын

Thanks Paul this was great. I'm interested in the Edifiers to complement some NS10s. Can you share how you calibrated them (in monitor mode)? Is there a plugin or procedure you can share? Thank you kindly! Cheers, Mike

@PaulThird Ай бұрын

The control room has a bit of a low mid build up so I ended up going for dynamic mode as it measured better in the room. Used arc 4 to get a calibration eq, set to control room contour and further dialed back some 8k to control a lot of the bite from the planar magnetic tweeters as these speakers can be on the bright side

@portley777 28 күн бұрын

@@PaulThird they arrived today. Love them. I have them set outside my NS 10s; so after punishing my ears with the 10s I can enjoy the fruits. I will look into the EQ adjustment. Thank you heaps for your help and information!

@HardyNahtal 5 ай бұрын

I love the IK multimedia range!! I have mixed on Adams and Barefoot a lot and IK definitely competes! I haven’t had the pleasure to work with these 3 brands. Thanks for the video!!

@joechapman8208 5 ай бұрын

Same. I wonder if IK might be willing to send Paul some Precision MTMs if he asks. The iLoud MTM is great as well, even in my big room since I use them fairly near, but I'm curious to hear what he'd think about the "true" monitors in the range.

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

They are sending me ilouds but not the big ones

@Genital.Wartzenegger 4 ай бұрын

Trash company, they will ignore you once you’re out of warranty and don’t sell or send spare parts or schematics.

@JustPlayitc00l 4 ай бұрын

Very helpful content as always, sir😊 One of pair of speakers I was considering a while ago are the Tannoy Gold 8s... Don't know if you've ever heard them or tried them... Those Kali Audio UNF speakers are definitely on mind as soon as I can get them in my country... Until, the best option here are the Yamaha HS8s (which I absolutely love and can trust) but the price is crazy right now over here (exchange rate is kinda wild over here in Nigeria), I e used them for years at places I've worked. I just want a good set at home now. I can get a good (ok at worst) mix on any speaker I listen to long enough (usually 3hrs with my library of songs) but a good pair pf monitors are just a time-saver

@johnthorpedidge 5 ай бұрын

It's nice when you can feel happy with what speakers you have considering you spend a lot of time with them! Hifi speakers vary enormously just like monitor speakers. High quality monitor speakers would be high fidelity. You wouldn't want poor fidelity speakers for monitoring. A lot of mastering engineers use hifi speakers too. If we get away from any marketing or marketing terms, a loudspeaker is just a loudspeaker, be they more 'transparent' or not. And none are flat. Also how transparent is 'your' room? What a massive difference that can make regardless of 'room' EQ. And that's another problem for people choosing speakers as some will just work better in certain rooms than others So trial and error, experimentation, a great way to go. My speaker positioning in both rooms I use would be considered acoustically incorrect placement, yet they sound their best where they are just like yours! Rules are useful but you also have to know when to break them!

@DJSoulbrother 4 ай бұрын

Cool review, I have in-8mk2 and their bass alone isn't enough imo for the same reasons you mentioned, I did have it with their WS-12 although it was literally dying as I bought it 2nd hand, It is one of the reasons they have a mk2 out now (I don't want to besmirch their name but it was a defect that I Get it, no company wants to replace something like that although I think they should have). Regardless I don't know if it was the sub outputting too much or not enough with their "in-8" crossover settings.... I did buy their WS 6 and it's been pretty amazing so far.

@PaulThird 4 ай бұрын

Ws6.2 is an amazing sub

@akagerhard 5 ай бұрын

Focal really is interesting, isn't it? Lot of clarity, precision, detail and stage, yet simply different. Same story with their (older) Headphones. ARC 4 does work - best in its weightclass (price) imo. In terms of the speakers I was missing the iLoud MTMs - they are in the same weightclass and depending on your needs they can absolutely do the job (translate very well too). Big upside for the little homestudio is that they come with the correction integrated, which means you listen to all music through the correction on your home-desk (without loopbacks, arc studio or more expensive hardware corrections). Big upside for people with not a lot of space is that they are small. Big upside for people on the road is that they are rather portable in comparison. Huge upside for atmos is that they are easier to set up. Downsides are its limitations that come with the size. Still, would have been interesting to know how the mixes you would have done on them would have hold up.

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

They are sending me some ilouds but not those ones

@akagerhard 5 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Ah, so the precision series, I suppose? I'm guessin 6s. But I'd really be intrigued to hear the precision MTMs (or your take on them). Never heard them.

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

I actually cant say 🤫

@akagerhard 5 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Hahaha, well, alright then! I'll just have to be a patient cookie and wait!

@HenkvanGinkel-n9p Ай бұрын

Hi Paul, Which speaker do you advice for Hauptwerk digital organ (samples) in a small room (2,70 x 2,30 mtr). Bass reflex on the front (not enough space behind the speaker in relation to the wall). Kali LP-6 2nd wave, Focal Alpha 50 or 65, PreSonus Eris Studio 5, Edifier: S3000MKII or............. Maximum width ± 22 centimeter, depth 30 centimeter. Thanks

@RichSteveBeck 5 ай бұрын

My choice would be a pair of IK Multimedia MTM MKII which I use in my home studio. IK room correction mic and built in DSP. Goes down to 36hz re sub. Haven't found a better solution within the under £1000 bracket. Great vid pal 🙌

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

Maybe I can persuade my contact to send MTM alongside the micros

@MountainViewStudio 5 ай бұрын

I had the LP-6s and I got the IN-8s now 2 years ago. Big difference. It's like, the improved version of the LPs. However next year im going for the big guns...either the Neumann KH 310 OR the ADAM Audio A8Hs which have the sonarworks built in so it's like set and forget ;)

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

From the industry mixers I know. Choose the Neumanns over the Adam.

@kadiummusic 5 ай бұрын

I've just switched from the IN-5's to the A8H's. See my other post. Really pleased! 😎

@aadarshmusic 5 ай бұрын

"Bro, you had the Kali LP-6 V2, right?"

@MountainViewStudio 5 ай бұрын

@@aadarshmusic yes

@george0t Ай бұрын

By the way, how's the vertical directivity of the Edifiers? Do they still sound good off-axis?

@DWHarper62 5 ай бұрын

Do you think that the IN-UNF soundstage may suffer because the midbass is still coming from the woofer module? You are definitely giving the best review of these speakers of all the KZbinrs...

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

I think it's mainly due to the close proximity to the listener. With the satellites it's almost a bit "holographic" but very impressive none the less given the design of the system

@TMeier 5 ай бұрын

Really interesting conclusion about the Edifiers. They're one of the few monitors available for a reasonable price here in Brazil. I'd love to see the measurements you made with them to get a better understanding of what they offer out of the box. Not a lot of info out there besides the clickbait crowd and amateur-hour videos. If the Edifiers are what you stick with, I bet there'd be interest in a video just about them and your choice.

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

They are in the live room now. I like to have to have another room to switch to when judging translation. I needed to have them too wide in my control room to manage the 80hz null but they measure better in the live room which is arguably better treated

@iRevolVeR21 5 ай бұрын

Loving all the comments in here... currently rocking in8 v2' with ws6.2 sub sounds good to me. Haven't mixed a whole lot of songs on them can't speak on translation because I'm still a new mixer murdering mixes.

@PharaohLawLess1 5 ай бұрын

I have the Kali LP6s and they are solid

@kadiummusic 5 ай бұрын

Loved my Kali-IN 5's but I was driving them a bit too hard in my new mixing room which kind of chimes in with what you were saying about wanting them louder, I was going to move up to the IN-8's but managed to get an incredible deal on a pair of Adams AH8's (£950 each!) and I'm so pleased. Along with my Kali dual WS-6.2 sub and run through ARC 4 it's giving me a bigger, fuller, deeper sound and of course a lot more 'air' with those amazing ribbon tweeters. Please include the A8H's when you compare the Focal shape 65's. 😎

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

Depends if Adam will send me any of the A range

@TraneFrancks Ай бұрын

"… Because it's a pain in the bollocks." 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@Durkhead 5 ай бұрын

Is there a home stereo speaker that would be even less money thats good for mixing?

@---pp7tq 4 ай бұрын

Someone mentioned Grundig BOX 650 in the next video. Old 3-way system going down to 38Hz iirc. From newer stuff, maybe something from Micca, but it's in range of used LSR305, so can't tell.

@crossbonet 5 ай бұрын

Great video! I haven't heard all of the monitors in this list but have heard most (owned the LP6 & currently own IN-8 - both v1's before the updated drivers and amps with lower self noise), and I agree. Kali as a brand right now for cheap monitors are just hard to beat. Still need to add the new small sub now its out as I didn't have space for the older big sub they had out at the time I brought them. And I work mainly on Hip Hop, Dub, etc, so I need a speaker that forces me to push transients for things like drums more (I need things hitting hard lol). I actually mastered side A of a vinyl release on LP6's when I had just got them. A litle off in the upper mids and lower mids when listening now on my current setup, but the client still to this day loves how it came out. So thats the main win! And I was still learning the drastic change in sound from my old passive Alesis monitors from 19 years ago - I'm getting old haha. I actually wonder how that master would sound on the LP8's, for some reason I feel like it would sound like its supposed to due to it being done on the smaller version of that speaker. Who knows. I also want to try the edifiers at some point as planar tweeters sounds like something that used to only exisit in my dreams. Dope vid man! Glad to see you have somewhat setlled on the edifiers for stereo. Who cares if they are Hifi speakers, do I dare mention the origin of the original white cones? haha.

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

We don't dare mention the NS10's on this channel 🤣🤣

@crossbonet 5 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird 🤣🤣🤣

@codee-music 5 ай бұрын

I got some great mixes from Tannoy concentric speakers. That's after blowing out the tweeters a couple of times learning them. LOL

@---pp7tq 5 ай бұрын

So similar to coaxial. Pre-1990?

@codee-music 5 ай бұрын

@@---pp7tq Around 2001. They had an annoying blue light on the front.

@hunternico4810 4 ай бұрын

Great thoughtful reviews. Curious how long you let the Focals break in? My Shape Twins had this odd ringy high end sheen from the tweeter for several days. I don't recall exactly how long they broke in but I definitely felt the top end settle in. (Either that or I rapidly lost my hearing, LOL) - I think your description "what if you combined the best of the Shape 65 and the Alpha Twins" is a pretty good description of the Shape Twins.

@PaulThird 4 ай бұрын

10 hours of constant pink noise. 4 hours of music and then many hours of mixing

@florisb1 4 ай бұрын

Very nice comparison! I was wondering whether you have been able to compare to Adam A x-series to the new A v-series, because there seems to have happened a serious improvement in that range of Adam speakers. Also how the concentric Eris Pro compares to rest of buch, since I mostly read and see Eris Studio reviews on youtube. Also curious about your opinion on the Dynaudio Lyd-series, since some of them are below a 1000 pounds.

@Henchproductions 5 ай бұрын

I've purchased a full 7.1.4 Kali setup for a small dubstage I'll be building on Corfu when I move there in October. 3 in5's for tge three front and lp6'a for the surrounds, as it's quite a small room. And an audient Orion

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

I asked kali about using IN5 for front 3 and LP8 as surrounds but they advised me against it due to the tonal differences between the 2. I was advised go all IN5 or LP8 for the floor speakers

@sparella 5 ай бұрын

Recently I mixed a little in headphones but with a low volume sub. It's interesting and I wonder if the UNF sub could be a good match for that kind of setup, if one were so unconventionally inclined, especially in an untreated room.

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

I wouldn't advise any speaker in an untreated room if I'm being honest. I'd stick to just headphones

@risingphoenix1484 5 ай бұрын

KAlI Audio IN-8V2 are the best monitors imo for the money under $1K...... tremendous value.

@DWHarper62 5 ай бұрын

Listening on LP-6... They are incredibly flat until you get to low end which is placement/room dependent anyway (headphones are a great way to mix low end when your monitors and room don't cooperate)... My mixes translate very well with these monitors and they are never fatiguing...

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

As long as the mixes translate, nothing else matters tbh

@Chaos-Dynamics 5 ай бұрын

Great recommendations 👍🏼

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

🤓🤓

@johnmcvicker6728 5 ай бұрын

I see that Kali has an LP8 V2. Looks to be available used at a shop near me. Thoughts on V2 versus original?

@PaulThird 5 ай бұрын

Go for V2. They fixed a few issues in v2