Budget Vs. Expensive! BCG's

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[@seetheforest]

I watched over half of this, did you ever compare them? I gave up watching.

[@MetalGod619]

I was thinking the same thing . He just says look at the difference but doesn't say if one will work better . The JP is clearly better looking but not sure if it would actually work better . If it does can any of us shoot well enough to see it on paper or real world ?

[@KGrasso89]

Nope

[@comradeyuri8492]

I gave up at 7:00, all the rambling , JEEZ !

[@dannytempleman6853]

I would like to see you complete a thought from start to finish without interrupting yourself!!

[@sonandsanford4963]

My thoughts, exactly.

[@TruthBombz]

SQUIRREL!!!!!!

[@scottwatson5767]

cant believe how many times he gets side tracked right in the middle of a thought! lmao

[@timlee5260]

It’s not his fault, the camera needed to be brought in. He must have asked for it half a dozen times. Lol

[@GentiluomoStraniero]

So much good info, how could he not???

[@Studio2bn]

Best thing/Truth I heard was " We are 5 minutes into the video...And I haven't shown you a DAMN thing ".......Well...You got that right !!!

[@Jam3s99]

I don't always buy a BCG but when i do I make sure it comes with a cam pin and I don't take 5 min. to get to the point.

[@shadowbanned-9577]

“...Oh lord, I’m a Rambling man..” 😉

[@DirtRoadLanding]

I’ll stick with my PSA premium BCG’s for $100. 🇺🇸

[@kotaboy32]

Have you seen there new DLC bcg???

[@lincolnparker5802]

I know psa gets bad rep a lot. Or several call them cheap or whatever . Mine works good.

[@willjezewski5595]

@@lincolnparker5802 they're great for what they are, an entry point for the majority of people to get a simple no frills rifle that will work 99.9999% of the time. The people who slam them are mostly people on the internet who can't even afford 99% of the stuff they say is so much better than it anyway.

[@mr.excitement689]

Will Jezewski or they’ve owned a psa product that psa decided to save their customers money by letting them do the r&d on the product to find out the flaws. Example ks-47 gen 1 and ar-10 gen 1...

[@Tuscani27]

my psa nib 6.5 creedmoor bolt had a knick in the lug after 1 mag

[@peteregger7928]

I've purchased three Palmetto premium phosphate BCG's over the last three months. One of them had no issues and head spaced fine. Two of them would not head space! I found that the ejector springs on the two that failed head spacing had the same overall length of ejector springs as my spare Colt and Windham's but that he coil spacing was way to tight (almost touching under no load) on the PSA's. This caused the springs to coil bind and not allow the ejector plunger to travel flush with the bolt face and allow head spacing on a "Go" gauge. I was able to cut off two coils on the ejector springs and got one of the failed BCG's to work. The other one's bolt was also out of specification and is now in the trash. I kept the carrier, firing pin, cam pin and extractor for spare parts. Palmetto posted this review so kudos for them for being completely honest! They have said to contact their customer service so I think things will turn out completely positive!

[@JJGuccione]

Great info...Thank you for taking the time.

[@dross1492]

I’d be pissed with a $300 bolt group sent wo a pin?

[@revshareglobal7334]

Probably gonna go with a BCM bolt carrier group. Heard stories of 40,000 rounds and zero failures.

[@hairydogstail]

The bolt support shoulder ID bore in the bolt carrier and the bolt's support shoulder OD will effect accuracy depending on how close or far apart they are...

[@XRING]

Great video John and thanks for the shoutout! Can't wait to see the finished rifle.

[@scottmcbride2237]

Lol. The most important part of a ar build is the bolt and the barrel. You can go cheap on the other stuff but not these two parts.

[@mikehoncho7082]

The difference is simple... one's gold the other is silver lol, simple

[@willb8684]

lol

[@jongruen7854]

Good video, the machine Mark's on non bearing surfaces don't bother me. The bolt alignment / trueness is important though. Have you tried the JP bolt in the PSA bcg to test the bolt accuracy difference? Would be an interesting test.

[@pinger5563]

My Acme Machine BCG for my budget 308 build works great. It came with those one piece gas rings, I am not fond of them. I found that a set of 3 rings from DPMS work better with that BCG from Acme. I didn't headspace mine before shooting, cause when researching the Lr308 rifle build, didn't really read about headspacing. I have like 300-400 rds through it already without any issues. I was told that if it had a HS issue I would have know it. So would it still be a good idea to get a field guage to still check it. Thanks.

[@bryanst.martin7134]

Funny thing about Orings, they are temperamental when it comes to oils and heat. They are made from oil. The Black one's are any way. The Orange are typically PU, and the Green are something else which escapes me at the moment(the chemical in toothpaste). Largely used in refrigeration. I used the enhanced spring kits from Brownells which use a heavier spring to reduce the slinging effect upon high velocity extraction. This has caused numerous "fail to extract" scenarios. And to think 3 years ago I wanted nothing to do with AR's. My HK91 was a nail driver at 100M. And I did it with the iron sights, off hand, with stiff crosswinds. 3 nails(#10 common) with 5 rounds. My witnesses screamed "You can't do that!!" Weren't you watching? :-) A life of precision doesn't end at the range.

[@jamesg8246]

From what I saw you spent a lot for pretty parts that don't fit together well and are missing parts. Think I'd take the PSA BCG and be half way to another rifle with the scratch I saved.

[@mikeevansgutierrezcasanas6234]

Ain't that the truth...

[@90blkteg]

Love the information your giving people in these vids. Keep it up

[@johnyisfunny1]

OMG.... Brother I usually like your shows but damn you can talk. The anticipation was killing me...lol

[@SushiArmageddon]

My POF bolt carrier group performed well at containing a detonation resulting from overcharged factory ammo.

[@romeowhiskeylima556]

Technology is freaking awesome. If I could do it all over, I’d definitely become a gunsmith.

[@jimmyvancleef3593]

That thing is so smooth because areo ar10 uppers are the business. I have two and the bolts move quiet and smooth on both.

[@99cobra2881]

If you want to learn how to tell the difference between two bcgs search “instructor chad” school of the American rifle Chad will teach you how to compare bcgs versus this randomness

[@scott2228]

Amen. He is brilliant !!!!

[@99cobra2881]

SicSemperEvelloMortemTyrannis TyrannyEnder Chad has changed his YT channel name to School of the American Rifle kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6WykGuIaqtrna8

[@scottjernigan7286]

Great videos man....I run a Gemtech suppressed for an overgassed Mk 18 pistol. Running a LW BCG in a 223 Wylde AR. Otherwise just whatever came with Gun. Did bust a gas key off of a BCG last year

[@BJWeed1]

How about some videos on your new h&k and Glock 43 pistols?

[@russellabbott5125]

I’ve had several custom AR’s that would shoot in the .2’s; it’s not voodoo, but it isn’t cheap.

[@Gunhiker]

Great comparison and series! Have you tried a higher end bolt in a basic carrier? If I wanted to try a new bolt in a palmetto state or bear creek, could I buy just a new bolt or would a whole new higher end BCG be suggested?

[@kotaboy32]

Yes, you can buy just the bolt.

[@rilianriggs4620]

I read somewhere Proof Research barrels are headspaced at the factory with JP bolts..I'm running my PR 223 Wylde with a BCM bolt now but definitely getting the JP FMOS for it.

[@KevinWood44]

I want this 12 mins of my life back

[@gregkeen4907]

Does the JP BCG have more bearing surface? And are the external dimensions the same or larger? Thanks!

[@meanman6992]

Those machining marks on the PSA bolt are pretty darn minor. Especially for the price, I wouldn't care one bit. It looks more like a finish thing that machining thing.

[@traceywalker2887]

One of the best gun content channels.

[@Galona223]

I would love to see you build the lightest AR15 possible !!

[@bige2259]

Kotaboy32 what’s your thoughts on pof’s roller cam pin ?

[@bemo4313]

$350 and no cam pin 🤣 meaning you will end up with a $400 BCG 😳 Build my 6.5 using a Brownells BCG nickel boron on sale for about $120. Very accurate, no issue at all, run perfectly.

[@hawkslayer2351]

is the nickle a better metal?

[@cameronharris2862]

@@hawkslayer2351 It's just a coating of nickle boron over the steel bolt that is easier to clean and has less friction.

[@pmorin313]

They probably figured the cam pin would add too much extra weight! JP thinks of everything!

[@jamesbullock3259]

Outerwild BCG has been spot on for me.

[@michaelclifford8376]

After watching this video yesterday, i went to the range today and used 3 different BCG’s in my ar-15. 1 is a bear creek phosphate, 1 is PSA phosphate, 1 is PSA NIB. Maybe i got lucky but i saw no difference whatsoever shooting today.

[@LONEWOLF_LCD]

I know this was a while ago but I tried this out one day at the range. I used a PSA NIB (Toolcraft) a Fail Zero NIB and a BCM BCG in my 16” AR with a Ballistic Advantage Hanson profile barrel I got 1.2 to 1.5 MOA with PSA and Fail Zero and .6 to .9 with BCM. So made a very slight difference in accuracy. I will say im not sure if it’s in my head but the gun does run better with BCM BCG

[@kvhunvgxd4818]

Same

[@boogerdog5247]

Firing pin enhancement occurs at the hammer end. Former military armorers do mine.

[@Blankford777]

I gotta say I’m loving all the JP parts. They make some gooooood stuff. If I was a richer man, I’d build all my AR’s from JP parts.

[@francischua3467]

Did the JP come with a cam pin? Or we need to order that separate?

[@Caseydog3]

350.00 no cam pin😂

[@bigfishlittleboat4069]

Lol i was litteratly thinking hes about to be pissed when he realized theres no cam pin! What gas block you gonna run on this bad boy?

[@kotaboy32]

Put the Odin works

[@rustyshackleford2723]

JP has a special bolt cam for the bolt carrier. Its on their site...

[@mkultra6664]

What video regarding rem 700 were you referring to? I'd like to watch it.

[@southernstacker7315]

I've been shopping for a bolt carrier group. Not sure what to get for 556. Been looking at a BCM or Colt. I own a Colt. What does No Hammer mean on bolt carrier groups? Thanks!

[@DCCHANNELGUNS]

Great Video!!!

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very slick looking BCG Kotaboy32

[@robertosborne1753]

Never seen him physically try his psa cam pin in that jp setup. I thought jp's bolts, cam pins and firing pins were of a proprietary diameter. Not sure that's going to fit... Have NO IDEA why he didn't try it out THE SECOND he got the idea of stealing the PSAs......... odd.

[@jasonlopez4855]

The black one can get a good polishing. I Polish all my parts and re black the parts. Works for me. Good video 📹

[@williamlange5959]

Is the JP chrome plated? Thank You.

[@TheRealCobraBurnout]

Excellent vid! I really appreciate that you identified/verified thru testing that two different bolts in the same rifle can yield different accuracy. With AR-15s, some think everything will work the same. Definitely not the case. Also a reason I always check head space with new setups.

[@SLFYSH]

Are the BCGs the same material? Strange it wasn't mentioned.

[@thebaddest2562]

U put the 1 piece gas ring/keyring style gas ring on just like a key ring except u walk the ring around and into the bolt groove just like if u were putting the ring on a key instead of installing the key into the ring

[@danielbuse3639]

Materials used in each component? Surface finish? Weight?

[@msantifort]

Nice to know , but mine work fine. 2moa to .5moa doesn't matter too much inside 300yds. The bad guy won't be complaining. God Bless. Great video.

[@wbw1399]

The closer the machining tolerances the more accurate the rifle.

[@squiblift2019]

Good comparison. Thanx for letting us know that it doesn't come with the JP Enhanced Cam pin.

[@son_of_guns]

Stevey wonder told me to check this out, great vid!

[@bryanst.martin7134]

I appreciate my bottle of LGO. And to say a gas operated bolt can never match a standard bolt is a bit of an error. Premium barrel manufacturers recommend you get your bolt from them. They make sure that they are precision mated to work perfectly together. (X-Caliber, for one) Cost isn't an issue if precision is the goal. Like the addage: If you were in the bedroom of a beautiful woman ready for you, but you could only approach her at 1/2 the distance each minute, The mathematician would say " You would never get there!" "The engineer says "that's close enough!" How precise do you need? Environmental affects will override the greatest precision. It's up to the shooter to determine the variables to make the shot. A threat 1 mile away is as unlikely to hit you as you are "them" on first shot. No offense intended, but watching you shoot, after watching the LR sites, your technique is short of the barrel's accuracy. I like your channel. I like your presentation. Find out what butterfly kisses means. Your heart beat will ruin your shot.

[@kevinroberts9580]

As a beautiful-looking JP Bolt, but I don't think it's the 3.8 Oz difference in your cam pin. Hahaha it's going to be an awesome build kotaboy32

[@anthonygonzales6029]

Your grammar is bad. I have no idea what you are trying to say here besides you thinking this build will be a good one

[@bigjohn5667]

Change the title of the video to "How Not To Do a Comparison Video."

[@bl1969]

Your killing me! Well at least my debit card haha!

[@stever4651]

That JP BCG looks really nice.....ever think about polishing it with filtz?...It should make it even smoother....👍🇺🇸

[@spoke1183]

Psa looks better at least it has all parts with it when u order it

[@bryanst.martin7134]

There are roller cam pins that smooth the action. So they cut costs and allow you to select which you prefer. I chose to "round off" my cam pins to reduce wearing the hollow out in the upper. Nothing serious, just break the sharp edges so they don't cut into the softer aluminum. The cost of the roller cam pins and ambiguity of fitment swayed me away from them. For now. Any wear reducing aspect means longevity of the action and accuracy.

[@kotaboy32]

Damn good advice

[@mr.gadgetfishing2134]

Waste of time. First 5:30 and moved on to a different Video that would cover and compare something. Wish you would skip the BS and get to the topic.

[@EarthAltar]

Check out the Lantac enhanced BCG. Not cheap, but it's one bad ass precision chunk of metal. If you're trying to save weight though it's not what you're looking for.

[@sooperknob]

This is the most painful KZbin video I’ve ever watched.

[@PolskiHetzen]

The bolt action bolt - what action is that? Is that a 700 or 700 pattern custom?

[@TexasTrained]

I dont think he has said yet.I was wondering the same thing

[@kotaboy32]

Curtis custom action from the MPA

[@thisismeumbass]

have you ever done a gun cleaning kit video? show us how to clean properly, and what all we need in our gun cleaning kit. luv your vids.

[@kotaboy32]

Funny you mention that, I'm doing something very close to that

[@thisismeumbass]

@@kotaboy32 :')

[@jamesstacey529]

JP how about the overnighting a Gucci campaign for that snazzy Bolt?

[@willb8684]

love jp

[@ripperx444]

I bought a fail zero M16 BCG. It came all loose and wobbly and the staking on the gas key was horrible. So not sure why anyone would replace theirs.

[@johnmorganjr769]

Thanks KB32, appreciate your enthusiasm !! (did they really rename Bragg ?? ) 😖 💥💥

[@nathanbutler8240]

If you watch at the beginning of the video when you open the box the cam pin falls out.

[@darknature79]

I'm new to firearms and have a double star star15 carbine and ordered a new 10 inch rail to replace the 7inch factory but I wonder if mines quality enough where I wouldnt need to really worry about upgrading the bcg.

[@darknature79]

big. Think with a $700 rifle it's not necessary but I'm learning and not sure if a upgrade would make that big a difference on mine.

[@matthewbeaver5026]

Prob wouldn't make a huge diff. Though if it's something you want to try it's always good to have a spare bolt for when gas rings or extrators break Could always upgrade just the bolt rather than the whole carrier.

[@darknature79]

@@matthewbeaver5026 I know all about em now,already. Built several and got 3 safes full lol.

[@TexasTrained]

Man I built a cheap 6.5 Creedmoor but I did use a double ejector BCG from Arm Or Ally by Toolcraft with DLC coating()Diamond Like Coating).And I like it as good as any Ive used. It cost me $180.00 bucks I think.And 1 year later it still looks new and Ive shot 1,000's of rounds, The bolt & Scope Rings should be Lapped just as the Rifle barrel/stock bedded. Lucas Oil is good stuff in guns or cars. A gas gun will never out shoot a Bolt gun at long distances.Just as a Bolt Gun will never out shoot a Gas Gun in Rapid Fire. If it jams that Cosmetic Pretty BGC without Forward Assist grooves wont be any help.LOL I think the Dark bolt with Double ejectors is a better one trhan your new shiney single ejector bolt that cost more

[@bryanst.martin7134]

IMO the fwd assist was designed for chambering when concealed in close quarters with your enemy. Not for forcing the round home, which is stupid. Think: You are in the bush hiding, and need to chamber a round while an enemy patrol is near. You slowly extract the charging lever and ease the round into the chamber, then push it into battery. Make sense?

[@MrPhilsAlabamaHotSauce]

Bryan St. Martin. Actually, that does not make sense to me. Done that way for quiet operation? Avoid slamming the bolt?

[@eltenda]

The nicer one it's. Amazing ...too bad for the pin

[@seanwhite304]

I'm a gas gun fan. My REM 700 SPS TACTICAL 308 and my M5E1/ Wilson Super Sniper 20" 308 . There is a diffrence but not by much . The 700 is bone stock though . I can regularly shoot 1 MOA out to 300 yards with the M5 . The 700 is 1 MOA out to 400 yards or so. I prefer being able to put more rounds down range and keeping my head down on the gun . For Military application in a lot of SOCOM units are moving away for bolt rifles . Obviously they still have them especially for 300 Win Mags. I actually saw of a Guns And Ammo show . That couple units in SOCOM are using Seekins Precision 260 S.A.S.S. They chose the 260 over 308 or 6.5CM. Usually my rule of thumb with gas guns when it comes to C.S.A.S.S. or S.A.S.S.. I use a bolt made by the manufacturer of the barrel . So both my M5E1s have Aero BCG with Wilson Bolts . I've never seen if that made any real diffrence between Aero bolt and Wilson Bolt .

[@thepunisher3597]

What upper is that??

[@alexandercalder2143]

The thing is, I'm not sure one BCG will deliver better accuracy than another. Wouldn't the barrel be the primary determinant?

[@stevenminix]

DLC stuff is beyond slick, very hard, and never corrodes. I still sometimes may use nitrided bcg’s at time because they work and may have a rougher finish but they work and are milspec. I don’t like the fancy dancy lightweight aluminum because I feel two pieces of aluminum bcg and upper wear.

[@ralphneal9743]

What are the prices of a 5.556 bgc

[@Brandon-ob8ul]

It would be funny if you had the proper measuring tools and if the expensive one was less gas efficient than the cheaper one.

[@laptopdragon]

it's safe to skip the first 7 clumsy minutes and start at 07:07 for the meat and potatos...where he fights the plastic bag and the bag wins.

[@johnparrish9215]

There is a KZbin channal called Project Farm, he did a long series on what was the best performing Motor Oil. One of the tests is a Friction Test were a roller bearing is rubbed by a steel wheel and the amount of wear is measured. The clear winner of that test and only that test was Bacon Grease, it beat out dozens of high priced synthetic and regular Motor Oils. Now I have not tried it as a Gun Lube but I did try it as a bullet lube (blended with wax) and it did pick up the velocity a tiny bit. Now I'm not saying to pour Bacon Grease in an AR but it is funny how things work out some times.

[@kotaboy32]

Now I'm hungry

[@edhlavaty6914]

I watch Project Farm as well. Cool stuff. I was amazed at the Amazon oil performance.

[@johnparrish9215]

@@edhlavaty6914 Ya I know, I was a Royal Purple fan for over 10 years and now I think I'll just get the Amazon.

[@garycooper3021]

I’ll prepared like an AD/HD patient. Won’t be back.

[@blackhawk7r221]

The bolt carrier can be any basic aftermarket crap. It’s the bolt itself and cam pin that need to be of decent quality. Coatings are unnecessary.

[@AutopilotAndChill]

JP could’ve easily made it a fully supported bolt face and have had dual ejectors. I will stick to my LMT 308 BCG. I have been in the market for another rifle and thus doing a little research. JP makes beautiful products with no machining marks and tight tolerances but they lack innovation or more modern features.

[@jshphysicistatyahoo]

I bought the JP full mass 308 bolt carrier group 18 months ago. Heavy bastard but not a single issue with it.

[@Solidbuilthomes]

I'm building my "dream" AR-10 DMR.... 18" FLUTED Bartlein barrel, lapped Aero Precision receiver, Anarchy Outdoors precision grip (Emperor) , Magpul PRS Lite stock, and decided on the JP enterprises full mass bolt... I hope I made the right decision with the bolt- the internet seems to prefer the LMT or Lantac... but, I "drank the kool-aid " and went for the high dollar JP... even though I'll probably never use this rifle for anything other than punching paper, I just wanted to own one thing in my life that is the absolute best... I can't afford a rolex, I don't drive a fancy car, and I'm just an honest contractor doing a little real estate on the side. So with my DMR build, as I call it, I just wanted something that is 100% badass.

[@jamjedi1972]

That’s crap, 300 bucks and no cam pin?? I’d call them up and complain. Hell that should be part of it. bet you they would make it right. Very nice video!

[@d9637]

$150 bcg, $350 bcg, I dont know the difference, I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man's life. Arrrrr.

[@kellywatkins6409]

What it is, the difference between mass production and handmade very small batch production. Sure theres a different about 250 bucks worth. Yet they both do their intended purpose.

[@joquin4618]

So will the 6.5 creedmoor bolt work for .308 PSA AR-10?

[@kotaboy32]

Same

[@joquin4618]

Very interesting! Thanks 🙏

[@meesterdinglefritz2064]

Is it just me, or does he say “Good ol’ boy 32” at the beginning of his videos? I apologize if I’m late to the joke.

[@mrshort2379]

I got to admit damn that JP BCG looks sweet. now explain the difference to me about a three sided m16 BCG vs a standard m16 mil-spec BCG and if it is a better set up and worth it to use a three sided BCG

[@blackhawk7r221]

Marketing

[@KGrasso89]

5x the cost and they don't give you a cam pin! 🤣

[@ShowemRight]

Colts MilSpec BCGs is one BCG, not to worry about. Thousands of Rounds then scrub, wipe, and lube away..back in business again for another 1,000 rounds or so.

[@xephael3485]

Budget is the best most of the time, hands down.

[@michaelanderson5229]

man i'm loving these vs. videos. I can't wait to get started on my 6.5, but 1st I must complete my 300 blk. thx Kotaboy

[@bryanst.martin7134]

I built several. The last with pistol L gas port and adjustable block. Love it.