Shin Megami Tensei 5 Vengeance - Boss Satan [HARD]

[@dzigayu4944]

Satan watching you change your formation a million times in one turn

[@burst4613]

He cant kill you if he never gets a turn. Big brained.

[@randomnobody2145]

the smt3 mot experience

[@zaqareemalcolm]

thats one very specific thing smtvv and yugioh have in common

[@TheStuff403]

Damn how do you people think of these strategies, this is actually genius lmao.

[@Djboyrimo]

Nothing but trial and error (at least that’s my guess lol)

[@TheCobraKing209]

The Omogatoki: Strategize strat has got to be one of the most OP strats I’ve ever seen in a mega ten game

[@notwhoyouthink1]

Shout-out to Mastema for, no matter what game, no matter what time, no matter what his allegiance no matter his agenda no matter *what*, always being a fucking hater.

[@ninjasaurio6611]

Elite levels of hating

[@michaeltsang1748]

Omagatoki strategize lives up to the name.

[@JackFrostAegirine]

Satan time. He's a superboss once more. The Mastema questline as whole has several lore details, such as Mastema being implied to actually work for the Great Will/Axiom and not the God of Law and Satan still does so, just as he did in IV Apocalypse. There's also the fact that Satan in MegaTen is based on Ha-Satan from the Book of Job and Mastema in actual lore is essentially the same character The Arbiter himself, while possible to beat without cheesing it, is way harder due to how volatile everything he does can be, Megido Ark in particular being the nastiest. In contrast, as an ally he's sadly not very good due to Megido Ark's power being dependent on enemy numbers.

[@jaffinator2166]

Honestly it depends how you build him. Yes Megido Ark is a trash skill. But replace it with Freikugel and give Satan every boost passive including Murderous and Bloody Glee and Satan is an unstoppable crit machine.

[@kennethlatorre5269]

The great will is not the axiom, the great will is YHVHs whole existence (his 4A version), not the single heads that govern the throne in a universe. The Axiom is called the Great Reason. People get those mixed up. Basically, to sum up, Satan still serves the great will/YHVHs true form, and lucifer only defeated and transcended a single head. Thats why primal satan is still superior to even matter lucifer.

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@kennethlatorre5269 False. The Great Will of IV A and the Great Will of the rest of the franchise are one and the same. YHVH is just one aspect of it-except for here, where he's just some guy who happened to win the divine free-for-all.

[@satouhikou1103]

So exactly as it is in real life. Mastema is essentially a mercenary on loan to YHVH.

[@glassbob9871]

Yup, this battle is a doozy alright. I really dont think a typical player will be ready to take on this satanic son of a hee-ho the moment this quest was unlocked unless they prepare ahead of time as soon as the first cycle begins. As someome who went in both routes semi blind and dont have the Mitama DLCs to make grinding faster, I dont see a way to effectively strategize and number match this boss' outputs until the start of a very meticulously planned third cycle; to then allocate incenses and demon essence in order to craft a team that utilizes the utmost resource from both story routes. When I was challenging Satan in normal mode (2nd cycle) my Nahobino's highest stat is his strength, sitting at 176 and one of my main physical combatant, Hydra, is 180 Strength as opposed to my magic combatant, Amanozako, 176 Magic. On a good turn with the buffs/debuffs set up, we can smack Satan for around 12k damage and clear the field through Omagatoki Exploit. But with no support demons' vitality surpassing 120, we're all very much glass cannons walking on thin ice. Between all the demons that he couldve absorb and borrow Magatsuhi skills from, Titania, Arahabaki, Kaiwan, Fafnir, and Macabre are the least likely to end the run from my personal experience. Kaiwan's and Macabre's will especially allow Paraselene Blur to hit like a truck. Fafnir's Big Bang is dangerous on paper, but the damage can atleast be mitigated by buffs/debuffs as well as guarding. Its certainly a more consistent "loss" compare to the very RNG reliant Accursed Poison that Yatakarasu would've used. This also HAS to be stressed: when he brings out Saraswathi, she must be killed ASAP!!! Her presence is very reminiscent to that of Ananta in Shiva's battle as in if Satan absorbs her, the run is pretty much over. He will fully heal himself via Eternal Prayer when he is just about 20k HP away from crumbling. It happened to me once after spending a quarter of an hour chipping away his health and it was at that point I said screw it and turn the game off out of frustration. And this is cool af strategy on display here, you styled on him real well!

[@Dante999000]

Definitely agree about the strategy and luck BUT if you're someone like me who just wants the rewards and story/lore, then I would highly recommend going for the free dlc safety difficulty since I just want to know what the hell is happening and want to face Godborn mode without that much hassle.

[@Poyomini]

I just beat this fight first try without any preparation, and holy shit was it a clutch. If it wasn't for my Nahobeeho, the absolute GOAT, that not only dodged a fatal Megido Ark, but also dealt the finishing blow in a literal do-or-die situation, I would've lost an entire hour of my life. God bless Hee-ho!

[@rift3487]

Haiti’s absorption is also capable of waters of youth so make sure to take her down alongside sarasvati

[@ennpii8147]

I think this is the most engaging an SMT boss battle has ever been. The unique passives were a really great addition.

[@zeldarodokanjino6606]

21:20 Masakado coming in with the badass dodge to setup his epic finish... and then NOPED all in one swoop. That had to be nerve-wracking at that final moment.

[@FunkyGhost37]

Super glad they didn't leave the sickass design from SMT4 for one game because it was story relevant.

[@Brandt21]

I am beginning to wonder if this fight is even possible without mirage. Even with amazing strategy and great fight control when mirage is down for a turn he just obliterates 2 people if that person is the protagonist 3 times it's game over. Great job buff. Seeing you do it on hard in 25ish minutes when I did it on normal with an hour in battle is impressive. There's no way I could've done this on hard I tried like 5 times and I didn't even scratch him really.

[@masterduelzero1795]

On hard mode? Not really. I gave it a few tries myself before realizing that the moment my pacing slows down even a little, I'm already dead. The only way I could survive at all otherwise was with taunt, a Nahobino with 999 hp, him being at -2, Nahobino being at +2, and just for good measure, being doped.

[@rockleejkooo]

I did it on normal without incenses but it seems like someone more skilled and determined could pull it off on hard. the thing is, there are certain rules for spamming Megido Ark so it can actually be avoided. tbh, im almost certain, it can be pulled off with this video's strategy like Arioch/Strategize

[@Mierezkal]

@@rockleejkooo It's possible without LM or Taunt, but it took me 90 minutes on hard with no cheese ( just your standard Marakumo build, no Arioch/GMG strategize cheese) and no grinding for incences, Demeter and Zeus were main stays, the rest were shuffled out. One thing that basically guarantees that he will never use Megido Ark is to never buff/debuff to +2/-2, that's the main trigger from what I've found, the rest doesn't matter at all. The real scummy thing about Satan is how draining it is on your MP reserves, and if you don't have Sakuya DLC ( like I didn't) you start burning through your stash of MP items pretty quickly.

[@marcuss818]

Innate Skills are such a great addition

[@MeatOfJustice]

They used the new design, nice.

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

what game is this design from

[@MeatOfJustice]

@@Pikachu-qr4yb SMT 4 Apocalypse

[@InfiniteAgony]

​@@Pikachu-qr4ybSMT IV Apocalypse

[@AndrewBlechinger]

Strategize is the new Adversity. This is some Yugioh OTK stuff. Can't wait until a more honest strategy drops.

[@jwolternova1051]

22:00 arahabaki's gaze

[@Poyomini]

The mf who repels/nulls physical jumpscare

[@AndreasSilva100]

i do love that with all the turn swaping insanity. Dakini is just...vibing

[@jaffinator2166]

As Providence Suggests

[@NekuroWinkel01]

My first run was an unfortunate first turn trying to charm him and got one shoted by his counter lmao, forgot to refill the Goat

[@diegocortez1426]

I beat him legit on normal mode only. This is the only boss I can’t beat on hard mode.

[@christopher_tai]

with all my might!! 🗣🗣🔥🔥⚔

[@tiagocarrer8586]

you are amazing!!

[@Harleena1995]

If they can use the exact same designs from iv and apocalypse then I think iv and apocalypse would work using fives gameplay engine if Atlus were to remaster them for the switch

[@bobking9212]

Yes, i regret letting go of Azazel and Dakini! And went with Kali end fusion! Which i dont regret , i may get both Azazel and Yakini back when Compendium is reduced to 50% macca? More great pro gaming technique by BuffMaister! Thank you again!

[@ultmewtwo]

Nice job and u do it with out any DLC demons i do not know if i can beat it on hard mode

[@LordCrl1986]

I love fighting superbosses, and I just started playing this game (I am around 12 hours in). This is my second SMT game. I beated Soul Hackers 2 not long ago, and I managed to defeat Ardha on hard. I started Cannon of Creation because I heard that you need to beat it to unlock Satan, but people already find out that is not true. I would like to beat supper bosses from easiest to hardest but also have the best first run, and now I wonder: should I start the game again on canon of vengence, get the sword needet to unlock True Masakado, beat Shiva and True Masakado on ng+ CoC, then go to ng++ CoV and beat Demi-fiend and Satan. Or stay on Cov, beat Shiva and normal Masakado, then ng+ CoV Demi and Satan, and ng++ True Masakado. I would like to know: 1. Is Canonn of Vengence much better than Cannon of Creation in terms of story, bosses, etc? Is it better to play it first? 2. With superboss is the hardest?

[@solarearbol1469]

It’s probably pretty unlikely you haven’t already made this decision, but just to clarify, yeah Vengeance is generally regarded as a much better actual game. More enjoyable, better story, more interesting gameplay

[@LordCrl1986]

@@solarearbol1469 Thanks. I started new playthrough on CoV but I also have CoC save file. I almost reached the place where I was in CoC. Yesterday I got info that there is a powered-up version (lv. 99) of the final boss, but probably only in CoV, and so things get even more complicated :)

[@wolfsy7]

also you can still fight Satan even if you played through CoV first, after beating the final boss you can reload the save after credits and Mastema should be there with the quests

[@batmanforeal]

Did you somehow get the tsukuyomi form back after beating the game or did you do this b4 beating it? And is there any way to get the tsukuyomi form back?

[@ichi_san]

This is a genius tactic

[@GBeLyaPyaP]

Does someone know how to farm beads for chakra pot I’m really that desperate

[@blueSeele]

The Yakshini in Shinagawa drop beads

[@GBeLyaPyaP]

@@blueSeele Yeah I thought it was exclusive to the original, but it’s just that the drop rate is ass You can find chakra pot by killing kali too

[@TheJokerAkaCirque]

Yakshini drop rate is terrible. The Yamata-no-Orochis in Taito south of the Odin battle drop them far more reliably in my experience.

[@GBeLyaPyaP]

@@TheJokerAkaCirque I will pass this information to my grandson as a family treasure. If only one guy could make a guide for item drops

[@TheJokerAkaCirque]

@@GBeLyaPyaP I wish someone would. I got the same bad advice about Yaksinis before I checked the "analyze" screen and just flipped through the item drop page for every enemy I'd registered to see if someone else had beads. While we're on the subject, I'm pretty sure there are enemies in the Temple of Eternity (can't remember which) that will actually drop chakra pots and even somas, but their drop rates aren't as kind so you'd need to be ready to sink some time to get anything out of them.

[@izayoiigames3467]

so i just on start the game and im now at 10 hours of the gameplay and i really confused, what just happening on this 25minute video???

[@petermitchell2560]

“As Providence Suggest!”

[@nandas9952]

How much prep is required for this boss?

[@Nova-je6nq]

Yes

[@demifolk8940]

A lot but if you wanna do it on normal you can probably do a bit less. All these demons are easy to get and you can swap out masakado for someone with big aoe damage in a first run like shiva or something. maxxing out levels is the more difficult part, i have no idea how people farm low lvl demons that high

[@milesedgeworth3667]

Consitering hes the Ultimate boss of the vengance route and requires an ending with Lucifers Death, Yes is Accurate

[@wolfsy7]

@@demifolk8940mitama grimorie farm if u have the dlc or you can buy then from Gustave once you reach a certain point

[@hyperten5906]

@@demifolk8940if you have the dlc, just grind on the minato ara mitamas, if you dont... get the dlc

[@zudawood419]

I saw Luficier in the main game. How can Satan still be here?

[@soradora9927]

Wich talisman do u need to use this magatsuhi skill?:o

[@смаугужасный-э4д]

Why do you change your team every second?

[@Betafire9]

I can't imagine doing this fight on hard on Godborn mode to we're even trash mob slimes and pretas are like tankey mini bosses

[@BuffMaister]

@@Betafire9 you get 999 max stats to counter godsborn difficulty, you could even solo with nahobeeno. Grinding the macca is the tedious part, but with mitama dlc you can get it easy.

[@CeromVD]

If i was the boss and this happened to me i'm escaping Immiedietly

[@DusttheRegulus]

2000 damage?!

[@ratio1037]

Is this mc set up just considered the best rn?

[@lilchromie]

If you are still wondering, now the strategy is to use the mc with paraselene blur, and then nuke his entire health bar in 1 turn using omnipotent succession and omagatoki charge (use yoshitsune/baal/mastema to generate extra press turns). Also do this after he absorbs kaiwan or macabre so he's light weak.

[@Soulcalibur44]

…I’m so glad there isn’t a PvP option in this game… cause my brain was like “what in the heck is he even doing?”

[@SaShA6572]

Digimon Cyber Sleuth pvp perfect example how bad it can be -the first who can act - always win in 100% There was mehanic where the fastest digimons have 1 few turns -thats enough to melt your oponent. Same would be with Vengeance in case online would exist.

[@sonicsucks2961]

I wish I did this instead wtf lol. Nice run. How many demons are needed to be dead for the full arioch passive and will u be doing all the super bosses again but without using strategize?

[@Poyomini]

I think that for Arioch to be at full power, your *whole stock* needs to be dead. Which is obviously not very ideal to only have him and 23 slots filled with corpses, but at least he hits like a truck!

[@JameboHayabusa]

I'm sorry. Wtf is happening?

[@SaShA6572]

He used whole fight Omagatoki Strategie, basically with right demons it can debuff enemy/buff your team and he use Arioch/Masakado to clean rest of demons, need do that properly or by absorbing 1 of healer demons he can restore full hp and you will be dead soon. Need finish fight as faster as you can before Megido arc hit Nahobino twice/triple and there is no way to survive unless you have 250+ vitality.

[@christopherbravo1813]

Huh. Turns out I was on to something when I insisted that Lucifer and Satan were one and the same.

[@SuperMarioMan1N]

Lol what is this nonsense. Without something this dumb, this boss is just entirely luck. He randomly instakills anything without max/near max buffs/debuffs and kannabi veil. And then you have the randos randomly getting rid of your buffs and debuffs. You're just praying for random misses and even status effects you try aren't guaranteed to land or sometimes even trigger if you land them. It's all just so...random. Neat idea for a boss with all the magatsuhi skills, really tedious and unfun fight in practice.

[@hyperten5906]

masakado is the same way, just hope he uses the dracostrikes into your drains and hope he uses freikugel as little as possible

[@YTACCification]

Personally I did it without masakado or demi. You didn't beat the game, sadly!