Buffy The Vampire Slayer 6x04 - "Flooded" Reaction

[@MyFeuerFrey]

If you remember Giles already warned Willow to not cross some lines all the way in Season 2 when she was going to give Angel his soul back. Willow getting more powerful and challenging authority of those around her has been a consistent theme so far through the show. Where she is now is a normal progression of where she was at the end of Season 5. And yeah the trio are all characters that Buffy met before in the story. Andrew was supposed to be Tucker who released bunch of demon things that would target anyone with a tuxedo in S3 prom episode. Since the actor was unavailable, they instead cast someone else as his brother who supposedly did something similar offscreen during a school play.

[@TheHorrorQueer]

The crossovers became harder to do because from season 6 Buffy was on a different Network than Angel.

[@Theomite]

Which is still fucking stupid. The sheer profits to be seen from crossovers should've dwarfed the up-front overhead costs. You think they'd consider that when transferring the copyright.

[@SweenyTodd98]

Yeah it always bothers me that Willow and Tara don't pay rent, they're total free loaders. Also Anya is kind of right, I mean it's technically what Angel does so Buffy could do something similar. Now that I think about it, how come the watcher gets paid but the slayer doesn't? I know Buffy quit the Watchers Council but even before that they really should have given her some sort of compensation.

[@explodingplant2]

They should pay rent but they're not complete freeloaders. They were taking care of Dawn. Caring for a teenager's not nothing, that's time consuming too. And Angel takes on cases; it's like he's a private doctor and Buffy's more a roaming ambulance. But then again you do pay for ambulances individually after the fact in America so 🤔 maybe it'd work out

[@sarastone741]

Slayers usually die young, so the council probably never even thought about it. The girls lived with their family and...Also, you wouldn't want them to be Independent, right? They were basically things to them, a weapon they could use aand discard whenever they want (remember the test they put Buffy through?).They absolutely SHOULD pay their slayers and provide and assist them, but they are a bunch of mysogynistic farts

[@joeypotter6051]

@@sarastone741 I don't think that many of them lived with their families, Kendra and Faith lived with their Watchers (or Faith did until her watcher died, then she had to live in a cheap motel because nobody would give her a place to live).

[@timf7413]

It does seem to be at least implied that the Council does support some Slayers (such as Kendra), but given Buffy's attitudes toward the council, I can't see her agreeing to such an arrangement, as it implies a certain level of subservience.

[@shiestyrecords3225]

i feel they should still pay for bills and rent.. they basically just fuckin in a house on Buffys mom bed

[@tsukigalleta]

Well, Warren, Jonathan and what's-his-name used to go to school together, so they've known each other for a long time, just off camera. My favorite scene in this episode is one where Buffy's just staring at the water in the sink, not even paying attention to what she herself was saying. Oh, and Giles and Willows's confrontation. Shocking, yes, but magnificent. Thanks, Shan!! And thank you for the Star Trek explanatory scene, haha!!

[@Elisheval]

Giles is channeling Ripper.... He knows all about that kind of dark magic... she is an amateur in Ripper's eyes...

[@rexracer3221]

I think Tara & Willow had good intentions, (look after Dawn, try to keep things together until/if can they get Buffy back), but you're 100% correct in that they should be paying rent. Otherwise it would have made much more sense for Zander & Anya to move into Buffy's house, they are both working and could pay rent plus Zander could help fix the house... (The Watcher's Council is paying Giles, they should also be PAYING The Slayer. She shouldn't have to worry about money problems, ect, she should be allowed to focus on fighting Evil).

[@kingcrimson2643]

Now that i think about it, it really is kinda selfish of the scoobies to just expect Buffy to get a job for income. Sure Willow and Tara can't just become new slayers but they could still get jobs to provide income. I guess i was blinded by how much i like Willow and Tara. Season 6 really does show the negative side of people.

[@4Tom4lepus4]

Willow and Tara are still going to college and they're only living in the house to make sure Dawn can stay there. They can hardly go to college, take care of Dawn, help the slaying and get jobs. Buffy on the other hand dropped out of college and would have a lot of time to get a job.

[@kingcrimson2643]

@@4Tom4lepus4 It still sucks hard that one of the first things the asked her to do after being resurrected was get a job though. I don't even think they fully believed Buffy was in hell. Willow Bringing her back was just another way to prove that she could with her magic.

[@LounaM11]

@@4Tom4lepus4 Except plenty of people have part time jobs and go to college, and Spike is also looking after Dawn. The only issue there is the slaying, and if they had focused on improving the BuffyBot instead of getting Buffy back, between Willow, Tara, Spike, Anya, Xander, and the BuffyBot, I'm sure they could have managed.

[@joeypotter6051]

@@4Tom4lepus4 They don't need to be looking after Dawn any more so they have no excuse not to be paying rent now. They don't need to help with the slaying, that's not their job and they get in the way more often than not. Even if they're only going to college and looking after Dawn, lots of people study and have jobs too. Plus they hardly ever seem to be in class. (What are they even studying???) I hate Willow this season.

[@4Tom4lepus4]

@@joeypotter6051 Clearly they need to be helping with the slaying, we see Buffy in need of help the entire time, same goes for looking after Dawn, who for some reason needs a babysitter everytime Buffy goes patroling. And what do you expect? "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" showing us Wllow and Tara in class a lot when there is no plot relevance. Whatever

[@Dagenspear]

Why don't Willow and Tara have jobs? Why aren't they contributing? Good questions all around!

[@ffaristocrat]

Presumably the bulk of their money from student aid goes into tuition. They've almost certainly been dealing with day to day expenses like food, clothing, utilities, etc, but not enough to cover the actual mortgage. And as others have pointed out, they've been raising Dawn while being full-time students. The bank manager noted that Sunnydale real estate doesn't hold its value well - It's quite possible that the Summers house is underwater financially too, in which case the monthly payment far outstrips the going rental rate that financial aid would be based around.

[@ffaristocrat]

They may have also initially expected that Joyce's life insurance would be enough to keep things going until Dawn was off to college at least. However, medical bills in the US can come in months later and even with insurance (and especially back in the 90s), you can get a very, *very* nasty shock long after you thought you had settled everything up.

[@trafalgardwaterlaw9222]

Dagenspear это fantasy world здесь не нужно работать XDD

[@joeypotter6051]

@@ffaristocrat But if they still want to live in Buffy's house, they should be paying rent. If they were living on campus, they'd be paying rent. They should be paying for their own food. Buffy can cover Dawn's expenses and the mortgage etc now that she's back, but Willow and Tara should be paying rent. There is absolutely no excuse for that.

[@GypsyxDarling]

@@joeypotter6051 we don't know they aren't paying rent? But rent on one room is definitely not enough to cover the expenses for the other two.

[@CarlosHuiskens]

In case you missed any of the other comments that mentioned this. The reason why Buffy and Angel never met on screen was because both shows were currently on different networks. The WB still had Angel but Buffy's final two seasons were picked up by UPN. This made it difficult for the stars of both shows to crossover.

[@joeypotter6051]

There are still a couple of crossovers to come though.

[@piggypotter10]

I think Buffy asking Spike about finances makes the moment better. It shows that she can have a casual conversation with him and is willing to go to him with her non-demon problems. To me it makes it more intimate, less romantic, but still important.

[@littlefox7694]

I honestly don't understand why slayers don't get payed by the watchers council. And i just hate Willow and Tara in this episode - you live in your friends house, you spend up all her money, you don't help out with anything and you find that okay? What kind of a mentality do they have?

[@danielyeshe]

Little Fox Little Fox To maintain their power and also slayers don’t normally live long enough for it to be an issue.

[@stirbjoernwesterhever6223]

First time watching Buffy I asked me the same questions. But like Daniel O'Donovan said: Slayer don't get that old normaly. The Council made sure of this theirself, with the test they do at the 18th birthday of a slayer. They want to control the slayer or let them die to get another one. I didn't get this the first time. Tara has no famliy who surports her, both Willow and Tara have to pay tuitions fees. But Willow and Tara really didn't care much about Buffys financial problems. And like Fierce Crimson said, we see in nearly all people the worst in Season 6, that's kind of the main theme of this season.

[@alexwright4930]

I guess cos Slayers don't normally live long, Watchers are expected to keep their charges if need be, and the Watcher's Council has also been a patriarchal and very dodgy organisation that essentially magically press gangs young girls into doing their bidding unpaid.

[@4Tom4lepus4]

I don't get the hate for Tara and Willow. They still go to college, they're taking care of Dawn while keeping up the ruse that Buffy is still alive and the one taking care of Dawn and at the same time they are ALSO taking care of Buffy's slayer duties. You call that not helping out with anything? If anything, why isn't Giles contributing financially? He got a SHIT TON OF MONEY in season 5 from the watchers and he continues to get paid despite Buffy's death, when the main responsibility of the slaying is now on Willow. I mean, why hate Willow and Tara when there are other people who HAVE the financial means and don't contribute by raising Dawn aren't doing anything?

[@alexwright4930]

@@4Tom4lepus4 Yes Willow and Tara essentially became guardians to the orphaned Dawn following Buffy's death which has to be respected and commended clearly. And the extremely well off Giles - who is only being paid again by the Council because of Buffy's actions in Checkpoint - is far more in the wrong. After Buffy is alive again, though, and the dire financial situation forces Buffy out of higher education for good into the service industry despite her already working one of the most important jobs in the world 24/7 unpaid, it doesn't exactly seem fair that Willow and Tara seem to remain lodgers without contributing in at least an on camera way. Especially as Willow's magic addiction means she's not exactly doing much child care anymore.

[@argo1221]

What I hate the most it that Hank Summers is not helping is daughters at all. He knows they're living on their own in Sunnydale but doesn't even care to help with the bills. Maybe he sends money for the food, I don't know (Dawn was waiting for his call in 6x01), but his daughters are in a bad situation and he just doesn't help.

[@4Tom4lepus4]

I don't think the intention was sexism, I think it was just lazy writing in that having him as this uncaring absent father figure allowed for easy drama. They could have done better.

[@LauraM-kr9wv]

@TJ He wasn't great at the beginning, he bailed on her 18th birthday for one. I think people kind of overblow that he was a good dad at the start, when we only occasionally saw him spend time with her, which is a pretty low bar for being a good father. After that the writers probably didn't know what to do with him, so just took him out altogether, but I don't think we were ever meant to think he was dad of the year.

[@DavidLaRocca-rc5yl]

I've been playing at the idea that Buffy's dad got killed off off-screen but the writers neglected to let us or Buffy know about it. It might have been part of the plan to eventually bring him back as a vampire or to have the First Evil (I'm not worried about spoilers here because she's finished the series) take his form, but they couldn't get the actor back.

[@Buffy8Fan]

Thank you on asking why the people living there aren't pitching in. Thank you Giles for also telling Willow what she needed to hear (even if she wasn't listening) and no one else was willing to tell her. The reason you don't see the Buffy and Angel reunion is because the two shows are on different networks now and the higher ups would not at the time allow it so the writers had them "meet in the middle" as the writers stated in interviews and commentaries.

[@SweenyTodd98]

You may recognize Tom Lenk who plays Andrew as one of Harmony's minions from "The Real Me" last season.

[@peggin169]

Yes, he was Peaches's friend!

[@mafxarr8776]

I KNEW IT!! Was pretty sure it was the same actor. Only noticed on rewatching

[@andys8483]

Great to see Giles back of course. His spat with Willow gave me chills there!

[@joeypotter6051]

The first time I watched this, I was shocked by that scene. Now I'm just sitting here, cheering Giles on.

[@tigerlily8447]

Yeah it's not nice to see them argue but Giles is 100% right

[@tzisorey]

"Why doesn't she just...take their wallets??" Their wallets turn to dust when they die. Just like their clothes.

[@TheRubberDuck77]

I litterally lol'ed when you said who the hell's that, about Andrew... it was a running gag that no one ever remembered him except as Tucker's brother... so when you said who the hell is that, I actually said out loud, That's Tucker's brother hahaha.... and then I realized you were talking about Johnathan lol

[@MogwaiToboggan]

6:55 I would imagine being on a hellmouth decreases property values, kinda like a flood zone... but with more deaths

[@Logan_Baron]

"Who the hell is that guy?" Thus leading to a long running joke.

[@Qualimar]

Great reaction as always. The third guy is Andrew and he mentions being the brother of Tucker (the bad guy from way back in 'The Prom'.) Back in 'I Was Made To Love You' we found out Warren was in Sunnydale High for his senior year so all three probably knew each other through school.

[@johnsmithster9031]

Although "Andrew" never appeared on Buffy before now, the actor was on the show earlier. He was a vampire in Harmony's gang.

[@jenb7780]

Yeah, the show was really bad at explaining where Willow and Tara get money. Plus they're living in Buffy's house so they should be paying something. Plus Dawn is a minor, so there should be child support for her. Weird show plot holes. Buffy was dead for almost half a year, and they didn't figure out how to keep the house running in that time???

[@spangelicious837]

Child support would be dependent on if Joyce even asked for any in the divorce - she might not have - and if their dad is bothering to pay. Deadbeat dads are a thing.

[@TheYasmineFlower]

@@spangelicious837 What I find confusing, wasn't Buffy's dad more involved before Dawn was made? And he and Joyce split up because of the stress with Buffy after she became the slayer. But when Dawn was made, suddenly he had left the family behind by cheating with his secretary and moving to Spain. So weird.

[@alexh8613]

They were really annoying with explaining Buffy's dad's situation. He starts out as a loving Dad that cares about her and then they slowly turn him into an asshole adulteress, that could careless whether or not Joyce, Buffy, or Dawn live or die

[@woodnymph01]

@@alexh8613 I think they couldn't be bothered trying to factor his character in and try to keep the same actor etc. so just wrote him out of the whole situation. It pisses me off though because as you said, he starts off as a loving, caring father.

[@fidel2xl]

Willow and Tara were contributing --- they were helping RAISE and take care of Dawn, the minor, while they are ALL still in school (Willow and Tara at university, and Dawn in high school).

[@jjpe306]

Willow and Tara should definitely be paying rent, or getting jobs, or move back into their dorms. And in past seasons this wouldn't have been an issue for anyone, but now Buffy's friends are portrayed as burdensome as possible. Also, what ever happened to Joyce's art gallery, or her art collection that stocked the gallery? Plus Buffy's barely in her 20s, with a rich father that could be paying for everything even if he didn't want to be personally involved. The whole money problems plot feels really contrived to me.

[@jjpe306]

That's not the impression I ever got. She talks about opening the gallery, she purchases items and has them sent to her home, she even decorates her house with some of the purchases, etc. Not that it's the final authority, but the Buffyverse wiki says she owned the gallery.

[@Gunngirl]

The money issues were realistic, but they took care of it with Giles. But I thought about money issues again in season 7 when certain people move in, lol. Will and Tara could definitely be working, at least part time because they did need to be semi available as part of the Scoobies. But this had to be so stressful for Buffy. I don’t blame her for how she was feeling.

[@brianalondite]

When you said "Who the hell is that?" I said "Tucker's brother"

[@kingbrutusxxvi]

Haha! I remember thinking the same thing about why Tara and Willow weren't contributing. They moved right into the house and kept going to college (presumably) but didn't consider the fact that there was no income until they bring Buffy back? Ahhhh JACKASSES! (You have to do that like a sneeze for it to work.)

[@SengokuTheGouda]

I thing that’s really hard to keep in mind considering how old the actors look is that Buffy, Willow, Xander, and Tara are all between 20-22 right now. If I was dealing with with stuff Buffy is now at 20, idk what I would do.

[@nodiggity4283]

Xander has money. Construction cheifs make sweet bank. Willow and Tara are students but why they wouldn't try for part time work is odd. Spike and Buffy scene is nice. I like when lonely people have moments together outside the haze.

[@StalKalle]

Xander also has an expensive apparent. As for Willow and Tera, they study college full time plus extra classes, they slay and take care of Dawn. When would they have time?

[@TheYasmineFlower]

@@StalKalle Also, didn't they mainly take care of the Buffybot and care for Dawn while Buffy was in the coffin? Willow would have had to be there to fix the robot, and someone needed to look after Dawn. They still could have helped out financially too, and not just dumped it all onto Buffy when she was newly alive again. Xander also most likely had some money to contribute, to at least take some pressure off Buffy. They probably only didn't show it on screen due to time issues, and people talking about finances is boring. But it would've helped if it hadn't been just dumped into Buffy's lap and the others would have tried to help her out more, if only emotionally.

[@LounaM11]

@@StalKalle But Anya also has a job, and a well paying one at that (as we learned when Giles first bought the Magic Box, selling magic supplies in Sunnydale makes bank). And why are Tara and Willow taking extra classes, exactly? Surely if they know they have to look after Dawn and take up the slaying, they should have dropped those extra classes for part-time jobs.

[@frnknstndrgqn]

Favorite quote of the ep " Whoa...did you know this place was flooded" I laughed so hard the first time I watched it hahahahaha

[@spangelicious837]

Willow and Giles fighting is so uncomfortable! For real, the first time I saw this episode and Giles started scolding Willow, it was like my own dad lecturing me. :( Warren, Jonathan and Tucker's brother. It begins.

[@joeypotter6051]

She needed to hear it. I'm still mad at Willow all these years later. Not just for what she did but for her complete lack of remorse.

[@Howyaduing]

He had a point what she did was crossing the line

[@willwozniak2826]

I understand the grief of a lost loved one. Makes me mad that she did this to Buffy.....Season 5 should have been the end....Seasons 6 and 7 came along why?

[@GreatGarloo]

Shan - Your point about Willow and Tara not having jobs and living in Buffy's house is the same one I made in a forum when Season 6 first premiered. I was lambasted for even pointing out that Willow and Tara were there rent free. Seems to me that Willow could have used a spell similar to Amy's back in Season 2 when she made the teacher think Amy had turned in an assignment. Willow could have done the same thing only to the creditors.

[@joeypotter6051]

Willow in season 6 is pretty committed to making Buffy's life as difficult as possible, and her own as simple as possible.

[@TheJDKNIGHT]

As she works for the Watcher's Council, they should pay her. Everyone stays at her house and expect her to pay for everything. I guess her father pays child support for Dawn but once Buffy died he should have looked after her. Buffy had a grave but Buffybot looked after her - Child Services obviously not doing their job.

[@kenetick85]

No, collateral alone is not enough for a loan, Shan. You need to demonstrate that you can repay it.

[@victorsixtythree]

plus he said that the house (the collateral) was losing value - for "some reason" real estate in Sunnydale was never very competitive...

[@spangelicious837]

Yep. No income. No collateral. No loan.

[@smallpiper2]

My dislike for willow was solidified when i first saw this episode. They've been living rent free in someone else's house and none of them considered getting a job and then they dump it on Buffy like it's her fault.

[@LoungingPotato]

NO! MORE! FULL! COPPER! REPIPE!

[@DegrassiInstantStar]

I love the low-key comedic moments within this episode, matched with some dark and serious moments. _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ always handled both of those components so well when placed together in an episode. I like that you seem to be enjoying S6 thus far, and hope it does continue.

[@leviticus311]

It's also absolutely hilarious that she didn't catch what's his name's name.

[@raggarbergman]

The Tara-Willow-living-there-for-free is pretty much asked in the whole fandom community. :p The wallet-thing might be that I guess the wallet urns to dust togehter with the rest of the vampire. ^_^

[@joeypotter6051]

So you gotta rob them before you slay them. Faith would be on board with that. (We never knew how Faith paid her rent - maybe she was onto this already.)

[@stephennewton2223]

Wouldn't getting a self defense course for Dawn be a good idea? Buffy could even get her started.

[@ericakovacs8863]

I have always been a fan of Johnathan & I absolutely love Andrews character. Theres just something about him that I absolutely love 💜😁💜

[@willow8186]

I’m about to die from laughter over here. You basically suggest that she should become a grave robber/body looter to pay her rent! 😂😂

[@NelsonVlog66]

Buffy the Grave Looter.

[@bunglechild]

I always wondered why the Watcher's never set up some kind of trust fund for Slayers but then I realized that Slayers typically don't live very long so it would be pointless from their perspective.

[@JusticeGamingChannel]

It's hard to get a loan here without income, I mean it just makes sense. I guess it's not impossible, but you'd have to have really good credit, and collateral (the equity in her house was declining so it wasn't good collateral.) Also remember this was a long time ago, things have kinda changed a bit, but generally still the same, it's up the bank, a different bank might be willing to give her a loan. As for Giles talk to Willow, it was very appropriate, remember witches made a vow to never try to raise the dead, and Willow just walked all over that. She's getting a big reckless. The other guys name was Andrew, he was part of that whole hell dog prom episode where the dogs were trained to attack prom dressed people.

[@WoncoTheSane]

Another great reaction! You are so right to call out freeloading Willow and Tara. (bums, lol) Buffy should have been getting more help from all her friends and Giles too. (at least early on, Buffy is an adult after all and I get Giles pushing her in that direction) As to the bank loan, I think there is just no equity in the house at all. The "Sunnydale housing market has never been competitive." line is, I think, a subtle nod to "The Hellmouth". Talk about your bad neighborhoods, lol.

[@joeypotter6051]

Buffy is an adult but she has never really had to be an adult because she is also the slayer. And I think Giles needs to back off at this point and remember that Buffy was just raised from the dead and needs some time to adjust, and some help from the people who supposedly love her.

[@iMarieKelly]

This is one of my least favourite, yet favourite seasons. Least favourite for Willow (no spoilers obviously), yet one of my favourites because it's darker, and more mature. Season 5 gave it a nice lead in to "adult Buffy" "adult problems", and season 7 carries it on. I can't wait for you to see several episodes in particular this season.

[@kaithemessiah2811]

Lol...That was on point! After you made that remark about stealing wallets from the dead you unpaused it and Buffy says " Thats an ideaaa...that you would haveee" lol

[@visitorzeta1669]

The Slayers going to have to watch her back this season, this season, they've brought in the big gun 13:45

[@Logan_Baron]

"Warren, Jonathon and who is that?". Love that you are in ahead of the continuing joke that comes from that.

[@alexh8613]

I do find it hilarious that Buffy is appalled at the idea of charging for slaying. Ummm the entire show of Angel, is based on that.

[@Olivetree80]

I think it's the context, and the way Anya delivers things. Sadly, they shut her down way too much.

[@joeypotter6051]

Angel hated the idea at first too. Buffy needs a Cordelia in her life.

[@ThomasRelaX]

OMG I just watched that episode of Voyager 10 mins before I watched this reaction xD What the ... this is scary!

[@lucas.2.3.9.4]

Ah Warren, Jonathan and Andrew the "supervillains 😂

[@jasonmac1990]

Tara and Willow are squatting in Buffy's house

[@stgm]

It's the basis for my fanfiction where Willow goes blind after the police turn firehoses on her trying to get her out.

[@emmag3783]

omg I love you even more for throwing in that star trek voyager moment, I love it.

[@sarah-s9y8b]

Because I don't want to believe that Willow and Tara are that level of selfish, I've always head-cannoned that they do help, but with student loans or scholarships, which can (and in Willow's case, probably do) support living expenses. Living in that house is probably more expensive than any one of them (including Buffy) could pay for on their own. And there are some things that are more Buffy's responsibility than theirs, like Dawn, for example. :) I hope my head cannon makes the fact that they're not working and expecting Buffy to have an income a little bit more endurable.

[@K-Anne_]

Yeah I always thought Willow and Tara should of helped if they were staying there. Also they were responsible for bringing her back. If not all of them, including Giles coming together to help her until she got on her feet.

[@Logan_Baron]

Anybody else still really want to know what "the gorilla thing" was?

[@danalynch8889]

Fort Knox is a military base, I trained there. I saw the building where the US stores its gold or at least used to be stored.

[@dancingjoy0788]

angry gilles always catches me completely off guard and startles me a bit. that scene with him and willow in the kitchen is really intense.

[@Alexandra.Chris.]

When it comes to all the money trouble Buffy has I always wondered about her dad. Okay, he wasn't the greatest but at the very least wouldn't he have to pay child support for Dawn since she is under 18? I can also understand to an extent(!) that he didn't live with them or have that much contact when Joyce was alive but what kind of father would completely abandon his children after they lose their mother!?

[@stanklepoot]

Buffy's dad is the one big inconsistency of the show. Early on they gave the impression that he was a loving enough dad. Once they decided not to have him be a recurring character, however, absentee is a bit of an understatement.

[@Cleapatra25]

Its funny you say that because I always thought the Council should have supported her as well. They could have easily paid all her bills and supported her as well so she could focus on fighting evil.

[@flee4342]

I think the spell is on Dawn rather than the world. The only time you remember her is when you see, hear or she is referenced. This is the problem with shows with magic. They write themselves into ridiculous. So you can create a human being but no one has come up with a spell stops floods or a “give me a trillion dollars”, or “make me the greatest lover” spell?

[@JusticeGamingChannel]

Good point about child support! He'd have to no matter what. The court would order him to pay child support.

[@RitsychServare]

stanklepoot very true... I think what would've worked the most is if his character had been dead right after Buffy found the bouquet that he left her instead of taking her ice skating, which is that episode I can't recall at the moment but it would've have been best if he never showed 'cause he was killed by something or got into some accident.

[@RitsychServare]

Another thing I'd like to know besides Willow ad Tara not contributing in order to help with the house is their lack of combat training... actually, I'd like to know why none of the Scoobies bothered to really train to fight vamps/demons and relied on Buffy to do all the work. Ok so she's the Slayer but even when she died, did they even think about doing that in case one of them gets severely injured? I think they all relied on whoever had superpowers like Spike and Willow's witch powers have grown stronger since then, Xander, Anya, and Tara are still no good when it comes to fighting... I'm just sayin'. And you're right, they should at least contribute 'cause it's like Buffy came back with all this financial debt... that's enough to make some people depressed (which wouldn't happen to anyone 'cause no one really comes back from the dead and deal with debt lol)

[@awarriorstill]

I am fully on board for more random Star Trek clips.

[@TheBloobster]

Kklara Zprand she has one editor, and he’s been editing since season 2 for her. Literally nothing has changed aside from adding 2 extra mods to try to eliminate spoilers in the comment section. But no one gives her any guidance on how to react... it’s all her.

[@zac0002]

1. Its something she does in other videos 2. While still has a editor for buffy shes watches too make sure it ok 3. It adds something to the video while you may not like it other people do 4. How has it turned into an industry but thanks for your input :) .

[@paulgibson7353]

I'm not sure calling people groupies was your best idea here kklara

[@paulgibson7353]

@@alanedark1538 well no she didn't dipper even put his name too it in the video lol no one tried to make out it was her it was a joke at her expense

[@zac0002]

1. was ment to explain that she does it on other video and its not just editors 2. your right she hasnt seen star trek but i guess she liked it to leave it in :P 3. she was the one who started to add clips before any of the editors for fun i think 4. she does listen to her fans if alot of people said they didnt like the clips she would stop but you are the frist i belive sorry if i come aross as harsh

[@insertname193]

Thank you so much for doing this series and for all the videos you consistently put out.

[@NelsonVlog66]

Dark Horse comics published a comic which chronicled Buffy and Angel's reunion.

[@lazarusalastair]

“Who the hell is that?!?!” Me: Tucker’s Brother Everybody Else: Oh..

[@thecaptain6184]

Are we to assume buffy could not make a fortune as a boxer

[@battlegirldeb]

Okay loving the Star Trek Voyager clip in the middle of a BTVS reaction. I'm in the middle of a re watch of the whole Star Trek years of the 90's.

[@paulidjit]

Yay Dipper

[@Pumpkin3.14pi]

I know this is an alternate reality, but Warren would be a billionaire with his robots.

[@terpcj]

I disagree with Giles' rather flip comment that Buffy could handle it. Joyce happened to have a well-paying job as well as surplus non-slaying time -- a situation that Giles is more than aware Buffy isn't likely to echo. If he's gotten to pull a salary from the Watcher's council, then the slayer should as well. Or, since the slayer generally isn't burdened with family or friends (by tradition), then it's clearly up to the watcher to provide the means to keep her undistracted from the mission. It really just feels like they're dumping on the recently-dead Bufster. That whole burning down the house thing doesn't seem too outlandish. (Plus: fire...pretty.)

[@stanklepoot]

I think Giles is just more concerned that Buffy not try to hide from her normal life. A typical Watcher on cares about the slaying. Giles cares about Buffy, and wants her life to be about more than the slaying.

[@rexracer3221]

Joyce probably was also getting child support payments from her ex-husband (and most likely had a settlement from her divorce). Dawn is still underage and her "father" should still be making support payments. This is a major plot hole.

[@terpcj]

Given what an upstanding father it was implied he evolved into, it's entirely possible that no, he wasn't making any support efforts.

[@stanklepoot]

Actually, Buffy's dad in general is the big plot hole of the show. In the beginning it seems like he's being described as a bit busy, but loving and eager to make as much time as he can for Buffy considering the new living arrangements. At some point, however, Joss decided to pretty much ditch Buffy's dad, and he became the very definition of absentee parent.

[@stanklepoot]

True, but we know that Buffy certainly isn't the only slayer to make it to adulthood. In the flashback to Spike's second slayer kill, that slayer certainly looks to be a fully grown woman. She appears to be older than Buffy, in fact. I'd be willing to bet that, in the expanded period of time we're talking about, there have been enough others that it's come up before. Having said that, Buffy is an even rarer case in that she managed to keep up a life a real life with friends and family. Again, though, rare but not the only one I'd bet. Plus, as you pointed out, the Watcher's council has operatives, researches, administrators, and various other support staff who are all drawing salaries. Additionally, the times we see them and any facilities they don't seem to be operating on a shoestring budget. So, yeah, the council should really do everything possible to make sure that all of a slayer's other needs are taken care of so that she can focus on the slaying.

[@MikeClarke85]

I always hated that the Watchers got paid and the Slayers didn't. Giles even got paid "retroactively" from Buffy's negotiations last season. Everyone gets paid except the young women doing the work. Stupid patriarchy.

[@stephennewton2223]

The actor who plays Andrew you have seen before. He was one of Harmony's minions.

[@BrokenHead210]

I saw this ep 10 years ago & only now get that NO! MORE! FULL! COPPER! REPIPE! is a reference to NO! MORE! WIRE! HANGERS! What kind of gay am I even 😔

[@rna151]

Yeah... the bit where Buffy can't find a way to get payed for Slaying always kind of bugged me. I mean last season she got Giles his Watcher pay restored along with backpay, he didn't give any of that to her? Negotiate the possibility with them of getting her own wage now that they're meant to be on more equal footing? Plenty of people around Sunnydale (heck, her entire graduating year at the absolute minimum) have some idea of what she does day by day, they couldn't set up some kind of communal fund for her?

[@shaynestewart6480]

It's still early so things are nicely building. Good episode.

[@catrin3944]

I love, love, love the Giles and Willow scene as uncomfortable as it s to watch.

[@RetroRobotRadio]

One assumes any vampire who was buried in the cemetery was buried without money. Plus their money turns to dust unless you rob them before staking them!

[@colecharmed]

I think the push for Buffy to get a job/sort out her finances is part of the whole making Buffy connect with the reality of her life she doesn’t do that, at this point, which is one of the reasons Giles leaves.

[@js6729]

What you mentioned about taking wallets from vampires I think one of the reasons they didn't do that is because that was sort of alright covered in the Blade movies

[@fanmagicks]

I not only went to college full time, I had a full-time time job as well. Being 2 powerful witches individually they each should have had part-time jobs and done the slaying at night. Cancer was working full time and still managed to help out without any powers.

[@BasicOtter]

One thing that always bugged me about Slayers and the Council - why is the Slayer not financially compensated? They expect the Slayer to devote her entire life to fighting evil, shunning family, friends, etc. - shouldn't they also provide a stipend to cover living costs so that a Slayer does not have to take time away from Slaying to support herself? Giles and the Council draw a salary - it doesn't make sense that the Chosen One is expected to make for herself in addition to saving the world constantly.

[@brianalondite]

They don't pay her because she isn't supposed to live that Long. Buffy making it to 20 was almost unheard of.

[@avg8922]

To do the crossover was very hard, becuase of the different the netwoks. But if u want to know how could it be, there is a comic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reunion_(Buffy_comic)

[@antonbrakhage490]

Buffy doesn't play enough RPGs. If she did, she would know to loot the corpses.

[@timolee]

that willow vs giles scene is one of my all time favorites in all of buffydom. I love how giles says amateur and how willow tells him she's powerful. but you're right wtf willow and tara been living in that house for free all these months and eating using joyce's insurance money which is actually dawn's. like they been mooching off of dawn, a high school student that's like 1 year old. i mean good on them for watching dawn, but still kind of messed up they brought Buffy back just to be like "take care of us." and I don't like how spike is always there when buffy is going through something he's like a little predator idk i know spuffy is huge in the fandom but i'll just never like it. also wish tucker had been available he was so great as aladdin's singing voice. ugh his voice

[@stanklepoot]

I'm not saying they couldn't or shouldn't contribute financially, but your comment is really the worst possible interpretation of what happened. Another way to look at it is that Willow and Tara are still in college, but they left the dorm and moved in with Dawn so that she could stay in Sunnydale. Having said that, that really only makes sense if Willow was already thinking about how she might bring Buffy back. Without that idea already in the back of her mind (at the very least), they should have just let her dad (well, technically only Buffy's dad, but he doesn't know that) take her.

[@timolee]

yeah they are in college and most college student have jobs. it's their third year and they don't even have internships. willow and tara are really lucky that they don't have to work multiple jobs to pay their tuition. they used water, electricity, gas, etc. and paid for it all with joyce's insurance that was meant for Buffy and Dawn. just because my interpretation doesn't paint them in a whole positive light doesn't mean that those events didn't happen. it's also really even worse if willow knew all along that she was going to bring Buffy back from the start and that's why they kept dawn because she didn't care about the financial situation she was going to bring Buffy back to. she didn't think about Buffy just herself if that's the case. also really doubt Buffy bot paid for herself. all of those parts must have been expensive and fixing her must have been too.

[@stanklepoot]

Most full time college students who have jobs have part-time jobs for spending money and incidental expenses. Then again, Willow and Tara are also taking care of Dawn and still trying to carry on with the whole protecting Sunnydale thing. So, not a whole lot of time for an internship, really. I'm not saying they couldn't be doing more (or anything really) to help out with expenses. I always got the impression that Willow's parents had a bit of money. Not rich, but comfortable. Perhaps Willow could have got some help from them, especially seeing as she didn't need them to pay for a dorm room or meal plan at that point. As for painting them wholly in a positive light, I certainly wouldn't do that. I actually agree with Giles. Willow is acting recklessly and dealing with forces older and darker than she could possibly understand at this point. Tara is a sweetie, but at this point I think she's a bit too deferential to Willow. It's not to anywhere near the same extent, but it's like she's partially falling back into a relationship like the one she had with her family. The difference here is that she'll actually speak up before she goes along with what Willow decides, and it doesn't seem to impact how she interacts with the rest of the group.

[@timolee]

i agree with a lot that you said. but i doubt willow and tara wouldn't be able to split duties of taking care of dawn while one works to earn income. they were quick to call spike to babysit her it seems like quite often so i doubt dawn was this huge deal they needed to constantly watch. she's a high school student. seems like they were just not using their time properly. they were patrolling which could eat up time but it's still not an excuse to use up dawn's money that her mom left her for themselves. sorry i just won't think it right that they did that.

[@joeypotter6051]

I completely agree with everything you've said. Willow and Tara suck (Willow especially for her total lack of remorse for bringing Buffy back when it's clear that Buffy is miserable). And I hate Spuffy too. Piss off, Spike. Stop hanging around outside her house leaving your cigarette butts all over the lawn.

[@Alexandra.Chris.]

I really love season 6, great reaction as always. I heard during the editing livestream that you won't be doing a full reaction to Once More with Feeling and, as much as I would love it, I just wanted to say that I understand and respect your choice. I haven't seen the comments with people bothering you over it but I can imagine that you have gotten quite a few so I thought I'd leave a more positive one :)

[@selfloveseeker3345]

I havnt seen those commments either or the livestream. It's annoying that people keep spoiling things for you Grr! Anyway awesome reaction and I'm glad you're on this season as I love it too!

[@agarqueen9126]

hmmm why wouldn't you do a full reaction?

[@techsoul5590]

Yeah you do you

[@peggin169]

She's doing a full reaction to OMWF for Patreon, but people have been pretty much demanding that she make it available to everyone. That's not happening until/unless Shannan decides to do it, and the number of people demanding it has made it less and less likely that she will do it.

[@tsukigalleta]

Should we be commenting on this? Has she even watched the episode yet?

[@marclewis5505]

The other guy's name is Andrew and he's Tucker's brother the guy who sent hellhounds to fuck up the prom in season 3. I still can't believe Willow threatened Giles a little like that also good reaction Shan!☺👍

[@rachelcopeland5186]

The Willow and Tara question is a great one... and to that I'd add that I have no clue why Buffy didn't demand a salary from the Watchers Council. Like... they had hella money, and they let the slayer struggle financially??? She should have gotten on a plane to England and stomped their asses until they gave her a fair wage.

[@alexwright4930]

Buffy should have demanded a backdated salary in Checkpoint when she got the Council to re-employ Giles and give him backdated pay.

[@rachelcopeland5186]

Alex Wright For real. Of course, it would have completely ruined the writers’ plans. I’m sad that they ignored this obvious solution for the sake of plot (surely they must have thought of it and rejected it...)

[@alexwright4930]

@@rachelcopeland5186 I'm not entirely even convinced they did think of it tbh. It didn't occur to me until a few years ago at least when someone else pointed it out and I was like wait a minute... Not sure if there's any Word of God of Slayers lack of renumeration.

[@rachelcopeland5186]

Alex Wright good point. I guess it shows how easily we accept patriarchal structures... if I hadn’t just finished my master’s thesis, this would make a good topic. 🤔

[@blackthunder4406]

@@rachelcopeland5186 🙄🙄 this has nothing to do with patriarchal structure but with the watchers just being complete a-holes. This is why many did not feel sorry when most of them got killed by the first evil. Just saying.

[@echalone]

Yep, that's Jonathan, Warren and Tucker's brother

[@MogwaiToboggan]

16:38 those three are like a proto Dr. Horrible

[@waynestephens9797]

She can't steal their wallets because the wallets presumably turn to dust just as their clothes do for some reason.

[@joeypotter6051]

She can if she steals their wallets first.

[@danwiesdamageinc]

Yes, it's Johnathan, Warren and Andrew..... you know, Tucker's brother. Oh, and since Angel was on the WB and Buffy moved to UPN, the networks wouldn't let the stars (David and Sarah) appear on each other's shows.

[@diyah4580]

Thank you for saying that tara and willow should contribute! That always bothered me lol

[@Logan_Baron]

Of course it makes sense that Willow and Tara should be contributing to household support, and it makes sense that The Watchers council should be providing some sort of stipend or support for the Slayer who is kinda working for them or at least for their purpose. This season is mostly about Buffy growing up and being like a single mom struggling right now. So those very good points are ignored for the sake of the story metaphor.

[@antonbrakhage490]

Willow and Tara are busy with college, and between that, Slayer stuff, and taking care of Dawn, probably don't have time to get jobs. They contribute in other ways than money. The Council absolutely should pay the Slayer, but its well-established in the show that the Council are a) assholes, and b) cheap.

[@aracelikiwrna5778]

1. Um.....shit just got real dude. Buffy needs a job to pay them bills. Like, what kind of job should she get? And it has to be one that pays very well. She should open up her own business like Angel. That's the only one that sounds about right. 2. I was pissed off that Willow and Tara were just living there and freeloading off of Buffy's house. I agree. They should've had jobs and should've been contributing ever since Buffy died. I mean, what did they think was gonna happen next once the money was gone? Smh. 3. Giles just told Willow off and Willow threatened him. DANG. 4. And am I seeing things right? Did Buffy and Spike literally just bond and have a nice little chat there? 5. I've always wondered what that place was that Buffy and Angel met up at. If it's not L.A or Sunnydale and it's in between, then what place could that be? - Yvette

[@nataliej54]

Hello shan. Hope all is well with you. Great episode. As much as I don't like when Giles tells off willow. He was right. Something horrible could have happened when she was resurrected. Also loving spuffy in this episode. You just can't help but aww and smile when they are talking. Also it's still soo adorable the way he looks at her :)

[@Olivetree80]

well something horrible did happen, all shown in season 7

[@acwolf92]

Buffy season 6 and 7 were on a different tv network while angel was still on the WB.

[@Aoiichi]

You know , this is probably the most horrifying episode of them all .

[@killermery]

Now thing about all the times Willow has this moments of thought and busy.

[@Theomite]

I like to think that they didn't tell Michelle about spraying her with the water when the gag went off. I don't know for sure if they did, but I would've been something Joss would've done.

[@leviticus311]

That Voyager clip was perfect.

[@makeupdoll7413]

I never understood why everybody criticize Anya, Giles got paid as a watcher, slayers should be paid as well they risk their lives to save the world, she wasn't wrong honestly 🤷🏻‍♀️ I would have been hurt as well if my boyfriend jumped on the bandwagon against me, I feel bad for her! And I'm not the only one who thinks this in the Buffy fandom, after all being a slayer is a full time job but I like that Buffy was hired in the high school later I enjoyed that! By the way this scene always made my day I'm glad you included it 😂 21:01 Oh and of course dark Willow foreshadowing, love it 😍 even though I don't like how she threatened Giles but I love dark Willow lol

[@kellykarjola1886]

Johnathan,Waren and Andrew in season was what inspired the Big Bang Thoery TV show..

[@lightgivener]

Most definitely not. Buffy S6 aired 2001-2002 and Big Bang didn't start until 2007. Not sure why you are trying to make this odd point. I am sure Whedon was enough nerd or knew enough nerds to want to explore the trope.