BUILD A 700bhp Capable OM606 Diesel engine, Avoid Crank KEY ISSUES

[@Asdfbedffhdsxe345]

Genius!!! Discovering the problem then creating the solutions !!! Awesome

[@k1ortia]

Unlike the Gov, Cause a problem then create a solution..

[@kanaybid]

Excellent video! More on the 3.2 crank and smaller rods, next time?

[@CrAzZyTheCodingBoss]

Yeah, really curious, seems like a sort of stroker kit

[@Hitman-ds1ei]

Referring to large HP industrial, marine and truck engines as you go up in rated hp you add or stack balancers or you tear them up, I think that what you are seeing is mostly undersized balancer capacity and the torque convertor equiped models are absorbing some of the crank flex etc, I would like to see you make a hub to be able to double and triple stack stock balancers to test for real cause

[@adventurousairman]

I need the kit and we now know why, thanks

[@gottliebdee263]

Not a diesel fan at all. I mean not one bit, but I enjoy this channel.

[@malcolmyoung7866]

Gotta love the hate...If I could afford it I'd have an OM series engine in my LT35 van...it would be cheaper and less hassle to by a Sprinter but feck that I have standards...LOW standards but standards just the same...Keep posting Luke!!

[@Gasdieselgarage]

I will be building an Om606 here in about a month…definitely gonna order the rods.

[@psgiant]

Keep up the good work! I love to see the new suzuki Jimny 606 conversion kit from you guys. That would be legendary to the max 😁

[@Stale_Mahoney]

if a block needs taken apart 0.3-0.6 over dim and a stroker crank would be a cool upgrade, maybe not as rpm friendly but the boost would come on faster

[@pjofurey6239]

Full derv love n respect, pretty much everything made in house, the sharing of knowledge and methods is addictive watching. Keep em coming .

[@8ad8oy15]

Going from what you found with bent rods and corresponding vehicles having manual transmissions it would be interesting to see the end float of these cranks, it might as be indicating a discrepancy in spacing of components with the manual transmissions being used, causing minor movement of the crank under high horsepower applications or possibly an added harmonic indifference. I’m not very familiar with these motors but keen to Learn more

[@paulcooper7178]

I was wondering the same whether it was a thrust bearing issue.

[@Miguelmedina22]

Would be awesome if you could work with fluidampr to make upgraded harmonic dampers. The stock damper is probably alowing allot of crank harmonics to build up at those horsepower levels.

[@kevinford6420]

The video's you put up are really good/informative. Well done, keep em coming.

[@NecromancerGarage]

Sounds like this needs a fluid damper. Banks dude a really good video on the differences of an OEM damper vs the fluid damper setups.

[@Koza_Cara]

M57 engine of bmw has also very good results on fluid damper setup

[@Mickey_vee]

Nissan patrol in the background with a om606 😍😍😍

[@bad3gakk]

Hey dude! The audio of your videos is at half volume.. I have to double the power on my reciever, and after i watch your video (wich i love, great content) and it skips to the next, someone in this room has go change their underware :P

[@thediddlefiddler5569]

Im sorry for the Supply vs. Demand thats comin Europe's way. Us Yanks are starting to whisper about MB diesels more and more.

[@tiagoabreu4107]

Om648 you have in US in a cheaper car. It's a good choice, because Common Rail. I think in US can pass 1000hp

[@oscarjoseph4232]

Your videos are really informative and I enjoy them so much. Thank tou for this great content

[@bencrosbie]

That's awesome to know. ill do all that when I decide to rebuild mine. Cheers mate

[@keithglaysher9201]

Although I have never seen a pulley coming off I have always wondered about that shonky piece of junk on the crank nose considering the excellence that the rest of the engine is based around.

[@hanyumoo]

Awesome content !! Great display and explanation, keep it coming please.

[@Basstrucker2013]

Came here from darkside. Subscribed, nice work and videos !

[@abdelkabirelmotae]

سلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتة تحياتي لك من المغرب

[@nicolajskovby6204]

Your vids are always educational, don't even have a om606, got a m51 and shooting for 4-500hp tho

[@Koza_Cara]

Join m51 tuning on Facebook. But cranckshaft wil break at 400hp

[@daneitor97]

M51 head is very restrictive, 300hp is the highest hp you can achieve after expending lot of money. It’s better to drop a M57 and tune it, better € per HP. All Bmw 6 cylinders gearboxes are compatible until 2007, so you can put M57 and M57N

[@nicolajskovby6204]

@@daneitor97 Well the m57 engine isn't that cheap, the m51 is very cheap. + It's not that restrictive, u can get above 300

[@daneitor97]

@@nicolajskovby6204 here in Spain I can get M57 200.000km for 800€. That’s what I’m going to do with my E34 👌

[@nicolajskovby6204]

@@daneitor97 Still at least 200 more than the m51 and I already have one in the car, even if I only end up making 300hp it's still a lot cheaper

[@Bouwentjes]

I immediately thought, must be a manual… sure enough. Could it be that for these high power engines also stronger clutches are installed? And that the axial bearings can not withstand the extra pressure? Maybe the crankshaft is moving axial slightly when pushing the clutch. Look into better axial support instead of stronger rods. Saw this problem with a Volvo turbo red block. You could even see the movement of the crankshaft by eye (engine was shot)

[@LSXREVIVAL]

Another cool video ! Keep them coming Luke !

[@renaud67rallyeRS]

Have a good life too!

[@deetesmin]

Just a thought, high hp, manual box would need a heavy duty clutch. Would this be wearin the crankshaft thrust bearings causing the crankshaft to move back n fwd?

[@Stale_Mahoney]

you mean when you engage the clutch that you worry you will physically push the crank forward?

[@deetesmin]

@@Stale_Mahoney yes. It used to happen to Triumph 2.5 engines. I think they only had crank thrust bearings on either the top or bottom of the crank. The larger clutch, of this engine compared to the 2.0 engine, wore out the thrust bearings. The only symptom of this occurring was that it became difficult to engage gears from stationary, the crank moved so much that the clutch wouldn't fully disengage. I don't know the Merc engines crankshaft thrust bearing arrangement, so this was just an idea I had based on my own experience

[@Stale_Mahoney]

@@deetesmin that is something i have not heard of before, maybe only a triumph thing?

[@deetesmin]

@@Stale_Mahoney possibly. Mid to late 70s, but the basic design was probably much older and obviously not up to the job

[@Stale_Mahoney]

@@deetesmin yeah it is not uncommon for car produseres to use the same design over many years but upgrade some parts to keep it updated. guess that is one of the times when design did not hold up with the upgrades.

[@Mitutumuch]

Hey guys im gonna be honest I wanted to email you but alright hear me out. Im in the US and i love my mercedes. Im building an om606 but I noticed only the 86-95 models have the mechanical pump you require. Would one in theory, if I sent you guys like, idk 4 or 5 pumps. Would you send me 1 really nice rebuilt one? Because im broke this month and im trying to plan for around February for +600 but im researching youre pump kits/build kits. I love benz tinkerers. Its beautiful because you guys literally. find the smallest things. and it makes life perfect. simple but Complex! Engineering the proper way. The issues could possibly be due to the transmissions that arent mercedes. I seen a guy ripping an om606 on the MB 6speed. The manual transmissions cause the crankpulleys to fly off! I fuckin love you dude. People complain but bro, do u realize what kind of flex that is? You're pulley flew off. you should be proud. Thanks guys. Those cylinder sleeves. Copping those when I get the block on the stand. Thats gonna be first thing next to pump.

[@roadiesgarage3816]

Next thing I'm ordering, thanks man👍💪

[@TatendaSathyar]

You are a diesel Guru

[@bert5003]

now that rods are in stock....next stop, stroker kits with 603 cranks

[@simonharris1804]

Can they get a balancer any bigger sure that’s not the flywheel lol 😝 Fantastic info as always 👍 🇦🇺💯🦘🦘🦘🦘

[@KingKong-bo7nk]

And I bet all the rods were bent with the crank end pushed towards the balancer? Seems like the clutch maybe damageing crank shaft thrust bearings. I’ve heard Toyota jz series engines will wear the bearings Faster if you run heavy pressure plate and start with clutch pushed in. Haven’t had any issues with my 1jz’s. Just something I heard thru the grapevine years ago

[@vwafn]

about repairing or damage bore... i dont agree with sleeve install. oem blocks was aged on rain ,sun, snow for few years before they went into production. this is how cast iron get stiffines hardnes etc... if you replace it with sleeve no chance that this sleeve have same characteristics of material and hardness. just put bigger pistons inside and thats it.

[@WipeZZu]

My OM605 has already that new style key installed

[@simonrowlands7472]

Great insight, would fitting a taper lock bush be an option, have used them to cure similar problem on large presses

[@ΓεωργιςΓεωργης]

Thanks I really appreciate your advices

[@eminmensimov9297]

you are a very good master

[@WhiskeyGulf71]

So basically, if your 606 is throwing it’s harmonic balancer it means it’s time to yank it out & take it all apart 😫 I’m assuming the issue surrounding the manual trans 350+ bhp is people dropping the clutch ?

[@Koza_Cara]

It depends what life the engine had to if you gonna drop the clutch on an unopened engine with 400k KMS you should expect it 😅 but a fresh one of 150ish k KMS will hold on for a while

[@GdaySport]

Can you tell us more about the patrol behind you ?

[@robertreavley7145]

You should work with Gail Banks in the USA he’s a top diesel tuner. Winning all sorts of land speed titles. He dose a liquid style damper that reduces the longitudinal and rotational harmonic shock the dampers for. This damper is not tuned to a single RPM. It works right through the Rev range!! I’ve contacted him and they don’t do any for the Mercedes 5/6 cylinder motors. Someone like you could link up with Banks! And fill the void of the lack of quality dampers for high power Diesel engines! That really could benefit greatly from this upgraded harmonic balancer!! Oh and I’d be your very first customer to buy this viscous liquid damper!!

[@danwerkman]

Oh how I dream of putting a 606 into my Ford Ranger....can't explain how bad the need is

[@lutherblissett9070]

Is it possible to have short height pistons so you can use the 320cdi crank with the original length rods? And is there a variable geometry turbo that can make 400hp without too much lag? Or do you go twin turbo?

[@troydeck3017]

i would think that would be the way to do it longer rods make more torque

[@MikeyB_1972]

If most of these engines that had problems were manual transmissions, with letting off the throttle to shift after having them rev to a high rpm and possibly not having a blow off valve cause too much pressure in the cylinders and the rods with bend??

[@deimosian]

Are the 320CDI crank stroker rods you mentioned available? I don't see them on the website.

[@errajiadnane6553]

Do I need to balance the crankshaft if I use those rods ??

[@yuriyk7039]

Bent rods may be ralated to a thrust bearings? What i mean, if it out spec, as you press the clutch it moves the crank and then the rod gets in angle and later bends it. Just saying, couch mechanic

[@Chrisvrscrx]

Can you do a video listing all the cars a 606 turbo came in. I’ve been trying to find a car and am struggling. Lots of NA ones or 603’s

[@jogaton7994]

Hello from Spain, I'm an owner of a e300 w210 om606 car, and I wanted to add a little more power with a piggyback but I searched online and didn't find much information about it. I looked at one of your videos about the same car with a piggyback and I wanted to ask what piggyback was and where I could buy it.

[@Koza_Cara]

Sean Tracy ecu is the way to go

[@DEMN]

I don t think that the original key was designed for that much power. also the original key looks more like a guide.. the fixing of the pulley relies on the torque of crank pulley screw.

[@alcarez_z]

I also know an engine with bended rods driven with a 722.6 and OF-Gear controller

[@Koza_Cara]

You can always bend them above 400hp doesn’t matter what gearbox

[@CL9k24a3]

I wanna se that header test that you promised year ago

[@crowiesnest]

Do you have a kit for the patrol including engine mounts plus a wiring kit with ECU for sale !

[@Torch4ya]

Did you happen to check the thrust bearings on your three exemplar engines?

[@DieselPumpUK]

Yes all checked and all very good, very little wear.

[@JoeHeine]

Are they next to the Ion Drive, or the Tridium fuel-cells, I can’t find it, thanks in advance.

[@johankellerman363]

Since what year model was the 606 turbo build

[@casper2570]

I have Cherokee Xj 2.5 td. I want to swap a mercedes engine. I wanted to know what type of engine you ride? Gearbox control unit etc etc ..... Thank you

[@Cappy-bf5rz]

I have a om606 i want to bullet proof 400k miles i am new pistons rods and elements headstuds what else do i need to do piecing together a new turbo kit got a 76mm peterbilt turbo what else do i need minus another transmission

[@alexeymalyi]

Привет а тюнингом ОМ 601 мотора занимаетесь?

[@SW-qr8qe]

The liner seems like a Mercedes way of avoiding supplying many sizes of oversize piston. I can’t see any engineering advantage unless there are special bore coating, unlikely

[@joostsonneveld5407]

What about the crankcase vent on these engines??? Isnt it to small?

[@miroslavnikolic-y1n]

hello. I am interested in buying a completely finished 606 engine for a nissan y61. what would be the price to pick it up from you.

[@Manuqtix.Manuqtix]

Does the same thing happen with the 5 cylinder om605?

[@carlmartin3749]

At 3:50 you say you sell connecting rods in a slightly shorter length to use a 320cdi crankshaft. Do you have any videos or anything with more info on this? I can't find the shorter length connecting rods on your site. And can't find anything online about swapping the 320cdi crank is the shorter connecting rods only thing that needs changed to swap cranks?

[@carl416]

Could standard v8 or v12 amg versions have been overtaken with those at the time or turbo and other technology was not good enough yet?

[@cumminsindustrialdiesel7068]

Good video👍

[@bobbybeyer2127]

Dale do you have pa link or part number for the liners? I'm currently tearing down a 606 that had been sitting in a shed for a while and I have a feeling that once I get the head off I'm going to see some pitting in there.

[@jtownisallyouneed]

Does that suggest theres an end float issue?

[@seanthompson6720]

do you plan on making a full billet engine block eventually?

[@DieselPumpUK]

Maybe ;-)

[@Petskyyy]

@@DieselPumpUK then you can also put 2 together and make a V12

[@Koza_Cara]

@@Petskyyy that’s just madness, where you wanna fit it in ??

[@leonkiis3623]

I had same question one day about billet block. I would buy one

[@AlienLivesMatter]

Great information

[@maxboya]

Now if the rods are bent, what about scoring done on the crankshaft? Or is all the stress taken out thru the rods? I assume the now increased .100th of play, you would run along side the crank bearings?

[@Koza_Cara]

Never seen a broken crank on om606, rods is the weak point

[@rubezahlmountainworks7974]

With the bent rods, is there a noticable vibration at idle but smooths out at 1500rpm +?

[@ashboy225]

Nothing, nothing noticeable at all as he says in video

[@popularnedno31]

only need to center the connecting rod

[@neilsg2001]

Will a 606 fit in a MK1 Suzuki grand vitara

[@Pockits]

i got a 1995 e300 with the N/A 606 and i was wondering if parts you sell on your website still apply to that motor as well

[@DieselPumpUK]

Yes we cover that model also, it’s very similar to the turbo version

[@225Jomi225]

Hello Can you run an OM606LA with EDC pump in a W210 OM606NA chassis with ECU and Cruise Control? Regards

[@julianlaustsen1991]

er the rods u are selling balanced weight wise?

[@Peter-it2gt]

Could the issue be due to an too havy clutch? To mutch pressure is puching to the crankshaft?

[@DieselPumpUK]

100% not. That’s not how the system works.

[@joeyobrien3019]

What are the advantages of the 606 over the 617?

[@kjellin3818]

2 pistol rings and just stringent overall

[@wakesurfer8]

Can all om606 engines make this type of power or only the ones that came with a turbo from the factory?? I have a n/a w124

[@sab9913]

Only the turbo engines as the na ones have thinner rods amongst other differnces that wont let the stock engine go over 380hp

[@MrBrucechapman9]

must be about time for a dyno dyno day surely?

[@tupaoljymotorsport9729]

So you have chek my videos. Well done 😄

[@tupaoljymotorsport9729]

And actual that crank/cam pulley problems are in both automatic and manual. Conrod problem come in manual cars because transmission line is solid.

[@DieselPumpUK]

I have never seen any of your videos but I will take a look

[@danfuller2707]

Best in the game 👌 f#ck the haters 😎

[@cocopublicnews6766]

Bhp stands for British horse power? Like btu

[@alberttatlock5104]

How’s the GMC going?👍

[@drunkensith6903]

just curious is there cams to make om606 counter clockwise for marine applications at say 500 bhp?

[@matui6983]

Why not use a counter rotating gearbox? PRM-Newage, TwinDisc can both be run using what is Ahead as Reverse and vice-versa.

[@logicalguy488]

Good info but I am confused at how rods can bend sideways ? Is the crank walking ?

[@Koza_Cara]

The force on the rods makes them bend, it’s the weakest link of the moving parts 🤷‍♂️

[@janeblogs324]

I know he can't hear it but that high pitched CNC buzzing is woeful. Either don't make videos while machining or spend 1 minute editing out above 5-10khz from the audio before uploading

[@DieselPumpUK]

I honestly have never considered that, I will look into it. However imagine working in that 12 hours a day like we do.

[@janeblogs324]

@@DieselPumpUK active noise cancelling HiFi system could be made for $100. Only works for repetitive noise so it applies here. Neighbour's wouldn't hear it too

[@FrmerK20]

is the crankshaft from the 320 CDI better or just for a little more displacement?

[@jacoblagerstrom1501]

Longer crank with the shorter rods will give it more stroke. Torque

[@FrmerK20]

@@jacoblagerstrom1501 but is the crank better in any way?

[@Koza_Cara]

@@FrmerK20crankshaft isn’t weak on om606 only rods. The 320cdi or om648 is based on om606

[@marcinkowal658]

cool

[@Hungry1254]

How much do you guys sell crate engines for

[@alexrakos9651]

How much is a engine restoration??

[@diyguy928]

What sort of power could you get out of the om642 ? I have an r class and would like to upgrade the power it's a 320cdi model

[@laurenttugdual186]

Black smoke racing....

[@diyguy928]

@@laurenttugdual186 what ?

[@povilassiurblys447]

320hp ish,om642 has no support

[@caveman9275]

I found this engine how do I get parts from you?

[@hakrihe]

We're those engines with bend rods stock or tuned?

[@OfficialGloom]

Upgraded pump, so yes. They were tuned to 300hp+ 👍

[@Dylan-on2gh]

Td42

[@stevenholland2479]

What you have done is not a fix.you need to find the the real problem and the problem is crank thrust putting heavy rods in they will just bend the same sideways.best option is remachine the block and put 2 thrusts in.got to remember these are all used shorter engines that had a 20yr life then you go and put 2/3 times original power through it how worn we're original thrust before.

[@NeverLetOff]

Haters gonna hate, LOL

[@vladkruglov7719]

Lets build a 1000hp om606

[@Koza_Cara]

Way to expensive, gonna need to make a billet block. 700+ has been done but not for the longterm

[@vladkruglov7719]

@@Koza_Cara for world record sake mostly

[@errajiadnane6553]

​@@Koza_Caraa question please if he replaced the rods with heavier ones the engine is going to be of balance??

[@СергейАлександрович-т4г]

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