Building a 15m sailboat, the INTERIOR plans! Ep21 Project Seacamel

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INFO OF THE BOAT AND PLANS AND REAL TIME SCHEDULE:
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-All played by myself (and I need more of them. Just need more time to do those…)

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hello! I’m just starting to collect all the comments and suggestions for the boat plans! What would you do differently or what feature should I try to implement?

[@dumbboatproject]

additional boats you should look at is sirius 35 ds for hidden workshop, and if you are going for pilothouse the slocum 43 pilothouse is a great layout, also i am a fan of dry heads vs wet heads. forward on catalina 42 replaces that room with a good sized head.

[@normanboyes4983]

You have done an impressive amount of work on the layout and the CAD really helps to appreciate the nuances and trades offs involved into producing the compromise.😉 Just a couple of armchair thoughts 1. Have you considered a sliding pocket door for the head and any other doors where this would be advantageous. 2. For the dinghy dock ( which you seem keen to achieve), have you considered a cranked bulkhead as the forward bulkhead of the dock, the ‘crank’ approximately following the shape of the first one third of the dinghy (from the bow), it may give you more useable space in the technical area. 3. Are you keeping all diesel fuel tanks, systems, filling points all aft of the living accommodation (smells). Keep up the good (and interesting) work.😀⛵️👍

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Thanks for your kind word! I think I will save these good questions for the QA-video ;) But the idea for the cracked bulkhead is a good one! Thanks!

[@patch8462]

I really would enjoy exampling ON THIS, Unfortuna tely I haven't the time. But I think a Video to expand on this! So Lets have a live conversation, somewhere where we can all share words and debate.. KZbin can't so Mr. Host contact us.. French Canadian's! We come up with the Crassiest Ideas!!!!!

[@picbidervis]

Thank you for the video.

[@villevaresmaa]

Looks lovely! I like it a lot! Something I have been dreaming in my head for a while, Garcia 52 exploration being the role model or the subject for modifications. Maybe the biggest difference to these designs is that in my yacht the cockpit would be fully covered with hard top and side walls (with big windows naturally). Even the back wall would be possible to close down, but possibly only with canvas. That would make the cockpit like a half dry place. Little step towards the new generation of vendee globe boats. Water would come in with wet ropes and so, but you would allways be protected from the wind, rain and snow while sailing. After I got kids I purchased a Targa 31 motorboat, and I will never ever be going back to sitting in the rain, or being the unlucky one who is sacrifised to the elements when shit hits the fan. Last summer I was able to sail a small 30ft sailing boat with raised saloon and an inside steering station. I loved it! In my opinion the sailing season here in the north is 3 months instead of the 9 icefree months just because of that. My mototrboat has been in active use from march to december and best seasons are at the ends, but I dont feel the same with sailing boats and its a design that makes the difference. t-shirt is the way to go, also in december. I have also been dreaming about the small sauna that would serve as a drying cabinet as we are used to here in the north. I havent come up with the master idea how to arrange the stowe. Both wood and electric stowes come with big problems, but the idea is tempting to me. Most of the water and outdoor activities in northern waters end naturally in a short sauna session. I´d like to be updated of your project... 👍

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Exactly what you said. In cruising boat the helm station needs to be protected from elements at all times. What if autopilot(s) fail when you're going through cold weather? Not nice. In my opinion unjustified traditions play waaaay too big role in sailboat design. Starting from the things like mast, sails and steering positions. In my project i'm kind of trying to tackle those. But in the end, there's really nothing that new in this. It's just special combination of features I think are important. First part of the boat will be laminated this week! 😎

[@r0dnt]

Your interior layout is very detailed. Nicely done. One thing I like about the Sirius boats is the social connection between the salon and cockpit. In your design, the salon and cockpit look like they are socially separated by a wall made of the aft cabin, helm station, and wet locker. Obviously, changing that would change the helm and wet locker at the least. I wonder if the helm instruments can be moved (maybe to the left of the wheel?) and the wet locker lowered (like in the Sirius boats) to make room for another salon window...?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Yeah, I am aware of this. At the very early stage I pondered this issue. The option was to do more like Sirius/Moody type of thing but since then I decided to go with this, more Garcia type of solution. It two blade sword. If there’s good visibility, the light inside will disturb the visibility at night. But on the other hand there’s this point of yours. I will look at this issue more in detail later anyway. 🙂

[@r0dnt]

@@ArcticSeaCamel I didn't think about visibility at night. Very good point. Ultimately, the "correct" design is the one you think you will be happy with. Your current design is great, and I look forward to seeing how this unfolds.

[@stevenr8606]

@Arctic SeaCamel 🤔💡 dark blue tinted windows with optional white/red lights (like mine 😉) works very well.

[@markjennings2315]

Can I recommend that fridge and oven open fore to aft not side to side. Otherwise being healed over or hit by wave on the beam empties contents onto the floor!

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Interesting suggestion! Oven and stove are going to be on gimbal but fridge is still not decided. Large top loading has been on mind though.

[@sailingkulali]

This is very similar to Kulali in layout. I have used all the same inspirations ie Garcia and Sirius. I am slightly worried about how cramped it will feel with a raised saloon table compared to non raised. If you don’t raise It you gain around 1.5 foot to either side, instead of the shelf space. So quite conflicted. But definitely more keen to have a raised saloon for a better light situation. In my boat the technical room idea seems abit too small. The 35D tech room actually looks very tiny after researching it. Instead of where you have your bathroom I was going to put a little workshop room. And have the bathroom opposite the main cabin. We have slightly different layouts though. I’ll post a vid soon on what my layout will be. Very interesting similarities. Being an engineer I really really want a technical room or workshop on board. I would love the second cabin to be able to convert into an office after watching your vid. Cheers

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hi. Yes, the raised saloon is obviously not as wide as the whole hull would be. But on the other hand, I will gain more walkable floor without getting to the curved hull on the side. We actually widened the original hull in the middle with some amount to get more usable space for this layout. For now it seems to be working quite well. :) That technical room is still very much only "placeholder". I still have no idea if the space is big enough for all the thing that should go in there. :P Good to hear from the projects! Cheers!

[@sailingkulali]

@@ArcticSeaCamel Understood. makes sense. Excited to see more. Maybe mock ups with the CNC out of cardboard!

[@canyonhaverfield2201]

Cold month period is August till June ? That's nuts !...you need warmer weather🎈may you be well ! Are you following and perhaps friends with the builders of Ran 3 . I see much in common with your styles..# 1= smarts! #2= good presentation,#3= clarity & #4= determination & confidence 🎈

[@eat333]

You need a room for electronic drums, studio and workspace. How many will sleep in the boat. If there are many guests, they can sleep on the sofa. can't wait to find out which electric propulsion system you choose.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Yeah, I need those! :D For now there's room for five people plus one on the saloon. And of course if there's nice weather, you can sleep on the cockpit seats as well! :) I believe the e-propulsion will be some sort of DIY. We'll see eventually what happens! :)

[@DaveHines1]

You briefly mention sail storage along with the anchor locker , wouldn’t it be better to have separate sail storage , to keep unused sails away from wet salty anchor chain ? Also storage for fenders etc ?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Yeah, good points. I would like to get the anchor chain to the middle of the boat and dedicate the bow locker just for sails and stuff. Fenders etc. should fit in stern lockers.

[@bendaves77]

I personally love the classic aft cabin with its own head.. I really love the look and feel of boats ,cars etc that were built sturdy and looked like they were built that way.. I don't care at all for the modern look.. the white everywhere is not my taste as I grew up in a house where everything was white or very light colored and I hated it.. I preferred the old wooden farm houses that you could see the craftsmanship that went into the build

[@itzel1735]

Very interesting. I found you from your comment on Sailing Uma. Hopefully you watch Humble Road. He does vans, not boats, but his focus on design and ‘options’ are thought provoking. Good luck with your project. I love the approach with the windows.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Thanks! Have to check that out! And hoping to get into boat building very soon! 😅

[@fonhollohan2908]

I would definitely recommend you redesign the square counter tops and tables, in a rough seas you can injure yourself very quickly having square counter tops. I would eliminate them as much as possible. Other than that I love what you have presented thus far. obtw even stairs threads that have square corners can become a hazard as well so I would consider removing them as well.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Yes I will. The interior layout will be developed further when we closer. Recently I've been thinking that I would like to make mockup of the interior before building it. Just to make sure that all the measurements work properly.

[@dumbboatproject]

Also thinking about the size of your planned boat and i think 2x electric motors would do, maybe motenergy me1507, not a fan of water cooled motor because growth can happen and is not fun. two sail drives in front of two two skeg hung rudders maybe? For batteries lifepo4 is of course the safest but catl is coming out with their sodium batteries this year, we just don't know the C rates on those yet.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Yeah. I haven’t really done any real research of all that stuff yet. Mainly because everything is developing so quickly. After few years there might be much better products to choose from. I’ve been thinking of using of-the-shelf saildrive(s) and making diy motor mount for them. Kind of same as LakeCamel, only bigger. We’ll see. Anyway, I’m going with single, skegged rudder for maintenance reasons. But that creates conflict wit double keels though. Baybe I’ll change my mind in some point.

[@dumbboatproject]

@@ArcticSeaCamel sirius sailboat does a twin keel, single rudder.

[@dumbboatproject]

@@ArcticSeaCamel sirius sailboat does double keel single rudder, also everything changes all the time, see computers at some point you got to pull the trigger.

[@LesCollier]

Have you given any thought to the idea of a retractable propellor ? I.e. when sailing and no regen required the propellor can be bought completely inside of the boat to stop drag. What do you think ?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Not really. The idea for now is to install two sail drives with electric motors behind the keels and keep them super simple. If I'm not getting massive sponsorship from OceanVolt (🤪) I'm probably gonna get two used saildrive legs and make electric conversion for them. But i've also been toying with idea to actually design and make two super simple DIY-saildrives that could even be rotated. We'll see.

[@fstenius]

Is there a reason for having the dinghy garage off center? What have you planned to use the space behind the starboard berth for? Extending the width to the entire hull you'd gain some storage space. Also noted there is no sink in the head. Just missing from the model or where have you planned to fit it?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hi! Thanks for the questions. The garage is off center for gaining some room to the stern cabin. The space formed behind it will be most likely to be just storage of some sort. :) The hull shape is "locked" so I cannot widen the stern any more. There's many reasons for making it narrower. First is the ability to go with single rudder (=simpler), another include comfort ratio and behavior in waves etc. No sink in the head (or galley) yet. But it should fit well between the seat and shower. :)

[@topc9858]

Kaverilla on contrast 36. Siina on keulakajuutassa liukuovi. Toimii paljon paremmin kuin normi ovet, koska se ei vaadi tilaa avautumiseen jne. Voisi sopia tuohon sinun suunnitelmaan antamaan tilaa.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Heps! Joo yritin kyllä saada liukuovia, mutta nuo seinänpätkät on sellaisia, ettei ole riittävästi sivusuunnassa tilaa niille. Etuhytin ovenkin haluan tehdä vedenpitäväksi. Mutta täytyy vielä kyllä katsoa tuolta kannalta myös. :)

[@benrusi2289]

Interesting, innovating, down to basic realistic work/liveable design, when complete......tulee oikein hieno vene? Free standing rig a must, ie. "Freedom 40"?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Thanks Ben! :) Most production boats are designed to be holiday luxury places. But his boat will be primarily a live aboard vessel. All things are familiar but the combination is unique I think. Tulee hieno! :)

[@pepehsailboat554]

How Do you do to convert the draw of the sailboat in pdf to 3D view in Sketch up?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hi! Not sure if you can do that in sketchup - haven’t really used it in past 10 years! 😅 But if you can do 2d curves in 3d space you can probably trace the lines from the plan in there. But I don’t know if sketchup can make the surface with them. In rhino it’s pretty straightforward and probably possible to export to sketchup. rhino is free for 30 days to try.

[@oscarohn]

Sail storage in front cabin ? The chain can be transported in pipe to the winch

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Yeah, I've been developing idea for getting a chain route from the bow near to the cabin windows. It might work. Then the sail locker can be just that. :) There will not be many extra sails with this boat anyway. Possibly only couple of light wind gennakers or something.

[@oscarohn]

@@ArcticSeaCamel sails take up more room than you would think. stormjib, trysail, fokk, genua(1,2,3), spinnaker. you might not get it at once but making some room for it is nice.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

There is no front sails on this boat. No jibs or genoas. Theres only two identical mainsails and possibly some big light wind sails. :) Check the previous video for the rig. :)

[@lordgothington]

I have heard two reasons to have two heads. Having one on the port side and one on the starboard side means you can choose a more comfortable side when heeling. That makes a bigger difference when the head faces the center of the boat. The other reason is that traditional marine toilets are not super reliable. You don't want to be two weeks out to sea and have no functional head. With your aft facing head, it should be equally annoying on any point of sail. If you opt for a composting toilet -- there isn't much that can go wrong. If you opt for a more traditional head so you can have overboard discharge -- definitely think about your backup plan if the head goes out of commission while underway.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Your highness. This is something I’ve been thinking. I was going with composting toilet at some point but maybe that’s too much of an hassle. The location of the toilet is high enough to provide gravitational “exit” to the sea. So I’ve been thinking of making smallish holding tank right below the seat and simple drain out (and pipe to the deck of course) I have “similar” system in my current boat that has the tank underneath the seat. Much better that pumping poop up I think! No fear of messy mistakes there! 🤢

[@lordgothington]

@@ArcticSeaCamel Like most things in boat design, there is no best answer, only what is best for you. I know a number of longtime coastal cruisers who have switched to composting toilets and love them. I think they are less smelly and easier to deal with than black water tanks. For offshoring cruising -- pumping overboard is nice. I lived in a tent for 6 months and used a toilet seat balanced on a bucket. I've used that same system in my boat while it is on the hard. Even though it was the cheapest, most hacked up solution, I found it enjoyable to use. My current boat is primarily for coastal cruising, often in waters were you can never discharge overboard -- so I think I may switch to a DIY composting system rather than fix the leaks and smell with my traditional head. If you ended up with a composting head in your shop, I'm sure you'll form an opinion on whether you'd want such a system on your boat.

[@arthur4818]

You could enlarge your living space by pushing it forward and making the V birth smaller and turning it into a head(bathroom) then turning your head as you have it now Into a seabirth

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

The plans actually have changed from this quite bit. They're shown in the QA-video if I remember right. Maybe I should make a new video about it...? 😊 But of the V-berth space, I want to keep it long enough to accommodate people in there if needed. Also I have toying with idea to use it as work space/music studio/something. But what actually prevents making saloon bigger it the main cabin underneath - this cannot be pushed forward, it becomes too narrow. In boat design - all affects everything!

[@mikecreamer8706]

Will there be a water tight compartment for maneuvering engine and battery storage?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hi. I think batteries will be under saloon sole right in the middle. The "technical room" under the cockpit will be separated from the rest of the boat. And rudder system area as well. Not sure yet how and where the electric motors will be.

[@Grumse]

What CAD software are you using? Rhino?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

The hull model is made with Rhino but I use ArchiCAD which is architecture CAD-software. Not great for this kind of job but i have it and have over 15 years of experience with it.

[@LesCollier]

How do you intend to wire up your boat, conventionally or maybe CanBus based, like modern cars are?

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Good and interesting question. Nothing decided yet. I'm a bit propellerhead (if you haven't noticed 😜) and it would be interesting to do some kind of control system. But on the other hand the boat will be ocean going vessel and certain redundancy is very important. Also the boat will not be luxury yacht so no need to "be fancy" just to sake for fanciness. That said, I really haven't yet gone in details at all with this matter. NMEA2000-based digital switching (like Mads has on Athena) could be possibility to reduce the amount of cables and have flexible system that could be changed just with some simple programming. But also we'll see how these systems have evolved in few years when this becomes topical.

[@oldshad65]

I can’t tell if you have any bridge deck to keep massive amounts of sea water getting through the large companionway??

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hi Peter! Good point you have there. There's about 200-300mm threshold on the companway door, which should keep most of the surprise water out. I've also made the cockpit open to the stern to make it drain quickly. Only small regress on the door to drain. The cockpit is pretty well protected as well. So I don't think there's a big risk of wave crashing suddenly on cockpit. And IF there's weather that would give risk for that, the door will be fully waterproof when closed. And on those conditions I bet it will be! (And I hope never (never say never) to get myself into conditions like that) 😰

[@andrewthornton5783]

What CAD software are you using (very helpful)

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hi! I'm using ArchiCAD. It's not the best cad to do something like this but I have used it for 15 years and I have license so... The hull shape is made with rhino and then imported.

[@patch8462]

So some 4 years ago I think we spoke about a a Dix AC ? I am curious why the cad work (I assume) you are using is still so basic. If I recall often price was an issue so if I may ask, what is the overall budget for this project? All the non standards say of "engines, heating, batteries...." as readily available today are likely not going to be taken advantage according to the video are not of your interest. Think of the cost just in routing the chain weight to the center of the boat for... Is there a concern about Bows buoyancy? That is a crash bulkhead in the chain locker and serves as a safety which suggest's to me that you will need to build a compensating area for the chain and drag winch. All of which needs servicing. A crack or a hole up there is not as easy as the water in the bilge to see and locate. What is her intended displacement? See where I am going with this, suggestions with so little information is like fishing without bait. One final mention: Mr. Dix was attempting to offer me a work around on the drawing he produced. By the time I finished doing my own math on the changes I wrote him and said "perhaps I just need to reflect on the real priorities and not disturb the dynamics or choose another design. Dix put my feet back on the planet. Dix again has drawings in your size of boat so why not buy that, then make your sketches and ask his opinion? At least you will have direction and a good shot at a completed project. Just my thoughts

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Hi! Thanks for the message! The process of the design has been a little slow but things are starting to find their places. The reason I haven't really gone much forward with the final plans yet was that I wanted to get into the structures first. Now I have information of that (i mean frames, keels, mast steps etc.) and I start to build them. They take some space inside and now there's really possible to start figuring these out. The structural principles are made by mr. Tanton and I'm verifying all those kind of things from him. For now I should be good to go to start the hull build. After all, it's just a hull. I have done some weight calculations on google sheet already, you can check the link from the description. It should be quite close already although not everything is known yet. The most heavy things are located right on the middle of the boat (like batteries and tanks) but I still need to check them now when I've got the structures mostly done. The final displacement should be around 15000kg. The original design was steel hulled boat which has been widened and lowered (the draft) just a bit. So there's still "plenty of headroom" weight-wise. Just because the hull weight in wood-epoxy is so much lighter. The reason I'd like to get the chain to the middle as well is just the weight distribution and reduce weight on the bow. The forward mast is already there (reserved weight for that is around 400kg) so it shouldn't harm to get some weight out from there. I agree the "problem" with the bilge water and the anchor chain. That's something I need to figure out. Anyway the chain locker should be robust and probably stainless. The winch is therefore located at the top of the locker. There's pipe from the bow roller straight to there and shouldn't be a problem. Think of chain systems on catamarans. This kind of system is in Garcia Exploration boats. The winch is located in a recess with a hatch. As for budget and all the installations; I haven't really made any final decisions yet. I would like the boat hull to be "universal" in that manner that all the technology can be installed and/or changed over time without needing to cut out everything. So I'm not gonna "integrate" any tech into the boat in that manner. Also I want to have as little as possible that kind of gadgets. But essentials will be there. (like dishwasher! 😀) The "unverified" budget is around 100K€. That should include the complete boat with masts, sails and basic equipment. We'll see how that goes. The masts are of course the most expensive parts and their price is the biggest question-mark. By that I mean the material cost. I will build the masts as well. (they're really not off-the-shelf stuff anyway)

[@patch8462]

@@ArcticSeaCamel Sorry Heading into retirement as w speak.. English is not my best! Thing is I had to face reality as hard's times knocked at the door. The 45 we first talked about, I simply could not afford though THAT I knew was everything I wanted.! I am a very experienced builder and manager in project, Carpenter and engineering's instructions. I KNEW I could not afford at this time at my age, to spend the $250,,,,K to build it all as Dix and I discussed! I hope with every best wish you can! I'll Figure out a way to resend my email to you for anything I can help you with. Be Well and Lets us Believers in the the CRAZZY (Possibility World) Walk thru what is your and our dreams for nothing, watch it unfold............. Cheers fr:Patch to all of us the Tag....

[@patch8462]

Lets Get this Party Started!!!!!! LOL, Come on Boys Lets see where it goes

[@bendaves77]

What a weird law Finland has... you cannot ask for donations to help you reach your goals and buy better equipment to document your journey.. that's crazy.. I bet they allow businesses to ask for donations and perhaps politicians.. the good thing about you taking years before starting the build is that you have a well thought out vision of what you want and what you don't want along with sailing and being around all different manufactured sailboats you also know what works well and what doesn't.. your boat is going to turn out extraordinary..

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

That rule applies to all private individuals or companies. Only non-profit associations can apply permit for collecting funds. Politicans can collect funds for campaigns, but all bigger donations need to be publicly reported. And those numbers are _nothing_ compared to US...

[@oleksandrzaslon5367]

Must admit my ukrainian mentality also feels waste of presious place with having more then one toilet on small boat, even despite the fact at home I do have separated and dedicated to bedroom bathroom and as well admit it's conveniency :)

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Yeah, I agree. Of course that's something "nice-to-have". But small space, more tech etc. :)

[@alcibiadesmarcialneto922]

To make a long story short, I would never buy this boat!

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

Good! It’s not for sale. 😁 Is there any particular reason?

[@alcibiadesmarcialneto922]

@@ArcticSeaCamel yes, there are some. Do you intend to keep her for ever? That’s the first question. Production boats are design based on what is the best solution for several purposes, that’s why they are designed the way they are. Just one head is good for two, but what about a family of 4? Wet heads are the worst solution since you have to dry everything else after a shower. 4 burners? I keep on pace with some KZbin channel and they affirm that even 3 is too much. There is no hatches on the main saloon ceiling. You decided to two masts, so this means that you’re going to have twice as much work and worries. Of course these are my very particular opinions. Congratulation for the iniciative. I wish I had the youth to do the same. Good luck.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

@@alcibiadesmarcialneto922 Hi! Interesting viewpoints you have! Thanks for these questions! The whole reason for even considering building my own is that there's no production boats (read: cheap and new enough) with those features I want to have. Which are the points I've gone through in the videos. And I don't want to buy project boat either. There's almost as much work but the boat will be old anyway. This thing is not designed for "everyone" but for my imagined needs. Plan is to keep it indefinitely, but I believe if I have to sell it some day, there will be someone that appreciate the choices I've made. :) We have 100sqm apartment with four people living in it and have just one "wet" bathroom. And it's totally enough. That's the cultural differences. When doing a boat that has less than tenth of the space, why would you waste it into extra toilet or shower? And that's extra plumbing, extra maintenance etc. I would understand if there were ten people all the time onboard. As for "wet head", there of course will be some kind of wall between the head and shower but they definitely need to be in same space. Think of female guest with certain time of month for example. The galley is very much work in progress. Most likely two burner would be enough but full size oven is something that is needed anyway. We'll see how it goes. And they will be electric of course. There will be windows/hatches/ventilation and stuff eventually. Just not in the 3d-model yet. :) I thing two free standing masts are the simplest possible solution for rig. There's no stays or shrouds with all nicknacks and no headsails to worry. Just two simple mainsails and most likely some big light wind sail as extra. So there's like less than 1/100 of stuff compared to traditional rig. So I really don't see them extra work but extra reliability and ease instead. (for example tacking with cat ketch doesn't need any effort, just turn the wheel) Thanks! :)