Building A Heavy Weight Glock - Does increasing the weight affect how the gun behaves?

Does increasing the weight of a Glock 34 increase it's performance? We mess with all of the "bolt on" parts that can increase the weight of the gun - using all manners of guide rods, grip plugs, and even weighted magazine extensions. With more time and more importantly an Ammo sponsor I would have liked to do more extensive - testing. Full disclaimer - this is bro science at it's best - not actual science. Testing the - Double Diamond Stainless Guide Rod, Double Diamond Extended Tungsten Guide Rod, Double Diamond Pure Tungsten Guide Rod, DPM Recoil reduction system, Thug Plug, Taylor Freelance Brass Extension
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[@bayadger6970]

As a semi-newbie I totally understand what you were explaining. I'm a small frame woman with little hands. Recently picked up a Sig P320 4.7" w/ tungsten grip module...I love it mostly due to heavier weight. Will definitely look into the different springs & guide rods you mentioned.

[@southpawrx]

Great vid! Appreciate the time and effort it took to make it! Thank you!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@klausb1758]

Your compensator video brought me here. Cool video. Makes sense. There's a reason the Shadow 2 is heavier than an SP01.

[@jaybirdtapsnracks3460]

Hands down the most varied and interesting content of any guntuber out there.

[@danielh5397]

this channel is gold

[@mr_evil_overlord5]

Probably one of the best videos on physics and guns.

[@RohannvanRensburg]

Awesome video! Thanks for testing this so thoroughly.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

My pleasure!

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very interesting video. Thanks for showing the difference in weight knowledge , Humble Marksman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Cheers!

[@mousemx1534]

Great video, thank you for the effort. I replaced the brass grip weight in my X5 Legion with a Tungsten one and the OEM guide rod with a tungsten one and it definitely feels heavier but I haven't noticed any difference in recoil but I'm going to pay more attention to the transitions and see if makes any difference there. Thanks for the info!

[@thinman8621]

Excellent, thought provoking video. Watched this for the second time after a year and recently switching platforms. Hard to measure much of this stuff precisely but the set of questions you raised make this, in my mind, one of your best videos. The value of having a balanced pistol as opposed to just heavy is interesting. Makes me wonder about a shorter barreled pistol, keeping weight closer to center. With an optic, the long barrel isn't necessary for aiming and the muzzle diving effect from the long barrel that I experience is reduced. All as you suggested with the Walther steel frame in 4" vs 5" barrels.

[@BigJohnsonGG]

Nicely Done Detailed Video Brother! Carry on

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks for watching Big J. Hope you put all them 22s in an itty bitty hole.

[@TZ250FANATIC]

Thank you Sir! This is excellent information for a serious hobbyist, like me. This information points me in the right direction.

[@jpay37]

Data driven gun video...yep that checks all the boxes for me. Great video! Thanks for putting all this together.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks man!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks man!

[@ChrisSmith-xw7wv]

You've come a long way since this video, but this is still awesome and super insightful info. 👍👍👍

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

yeah. It's been a minute since that one.

[@daviddalton8996]

Great video, good information. Thanks.

[@user-oi4fg3os7t]

Great Video!!! thanks for taking the time to do this right.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

stay tuned - I'm revisiting this on the Canik Rival-S and the Sig Sauer P365 AXG Legion with my fancy slow motion camera. Seeing how balance and overall weight affect how the gun moves in recoil.

[@edwards30]

Love the video, I'm watching your other Glock content now. You should make a video with different springs (trigger, striker, recoil, & safety plunger) and connector feels. Or maybe talk about what you run. I'm currently building a G34 Gen 3 for Carry Ops.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

My carry optics rig is here: www.thehumblemarksman.com/post/current-uspsa-carry-optics-competition-set-up

[@robedwards6926]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Any light strike issues with the Glockstore lighweight extended firing pin and 4.5 lb striker spring Glock set-up?

[@Garrett12362]

Nice, I think I might get the tungsten guide rod and thug plug for my glock 40.

[@alexanderchung6402]

That looked like a lot of work - thanks for making this vid

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

thanks for watching.

[@paststeve1]

Outstanding testing! Good luck using that Glock.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks 👍

[@scottyoung7822]

Nice job. Great analysis with non-biased data presentation. If only everyone would let the data speak. I like how you clearly differentiate what you are “feeling” during the shooting cycle from the recoil data and how the shots landed. All important items. But a big difference. Just fyi, drive the gun up to your sight line earlier during presentation and push away. You have at least .2 sec to shave off breaking the shot by reducing the fishing time for sight picture. Offered with complete humility and respect. Thanks for all that you offer on here.

[@TheBigduke633]

Interesting,thanks for information.

[@chronicdose]

Excellent analysis. I found when I started shooting I preferred my shadow 2,but as I've improved I find myself faster with my P10c. I love the dpm recoil system which I do have in my P10c, it might just be all the upgrades... :p

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

P10's are very capable pistols for sure.

[@davidfranklin3586]

Great video!!! Damn good info.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks for watching

[@LiorBarOnIPSC]

Did a similar experiment with an M&P. Not by changing any parts in the gun, but by wearing ballast on my hands. My hit factors on a variety of stages were much better with 1 lb added to the weight of my hands using backhand gloves than using the same gun without them.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Interesting thought

[@linkchen8245]

Really informative video, what do you think about the DPM recoil system?

[@onoes9646]

My CO piece is an SP-01, so no need to add weight. I have been thinking about the Arex Delta and 17 MOS, though.

[@prone_wolf8871]

Nice shooting Humble

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks man!

[@hideochiba4703]

I change my recoil springs in my G17, G21 and g25 by dpm system to reduce recoil, install olight (g21 and g25) and surefire (g17) laser/flashlight to increase weight.

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

Great vid! I’ve been wondering if changing the tac grip on my aluminum frame staccato p to a heavier metal grip would help muzzle climb and recoil? Also if losing the polymer flex would make it not worth it? What would your opinion be?

[@andrewfossatti4937]

Had never heard of a thug plug. Thanks for putting me on

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It does a great job balancing the gun if you use a heavy guide rod.

[@MoseYoutube]

For USPSA, I use a very similar setup to you. Gen5 34, pure tungsten guide rod w/ 15lb spring, TF brass baspad, but I use tungsten putty pushed into the backstrap, and use a modified plastic grip plug so I can shape it like a ramp. It's gotta be a fraction of an ounce within the weight of yours, and I've settled on it as the best for me too.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I may end up doing the tungsten putty thing ultimately. Who knows. They handle better this way in my opinion.

[@johnathanmcelhaney7068]

​@@TheHumbleMarksman have you tried the seattle slug it fills the grip completely im tring to decide witch one to buy slug or thug plug

[@muhammadsteinberg]

My edc is a weighted down g19 gen4 (32oz). Absolutely love it being heavy.

[@poqwrstler]

What all did you do to weigh it down

[@muhammadsteinberg]

@poqwrstler Weighted magwell w/brass insert. Weighted 2rd mag increase base. Store brought loads offer extremely lite recoil. Maybe 8yrs with this setup with well broken in stock trigger. I'm guessing over 6k rds.

[@muhammadsteinberg]

@@poqwrstler Forgot...Also a tungsten guide rod.

[@alirezaproductions7630]

I have a Glock 17 and on it I have a mini compensator and a Surefire X300. The recoil on it feels pretty nice but I was wondering if I get the pure tungsten rods would I notice anything with all the add ons I already have?

[@01HondaS2kXD]

I’m currently running the extended tungsten guide rod and rather than the thug plug I filled my grip cavity with a mix of tungsten shot and tungsten putty- gets me a tiny bit more weight than the thug plug. I think it’s the perfect balance between “heavy enough to noticeably absorb recoil” and “light enough to transition quickly.”

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I looked at those but then chickened out on doing 1 way modifications.

[@01HondaS2kXD]

TheHumbleMarksman ehh. The stuff is definitely pretty sticky, but a few minutes with a scraper and I could get it all back out. I seal it in with a plastic grip plug, rather than epoxy which other people have done.

[@spydercomonkey]

It would be interesting to test in another video the effect of weapon lights on recoil. A WML is basically a 4-5oz frame weight that also works as a flashlight, but it would be cool to have actual data on what effect it actually has.

[@rifleman7313]

My thoughts exactly Mark, I just didn't realize that you had already posed this question.

[@watchmyshoes22]

It wouldn’t be that interesting at all since it’s very obvious that recoil would be reduced if you know even a tiny bit about physics

[@spydercomonkey]

@@watchmyshoes22 Yes, recoil will be reduced, but the question is to what extent is recoil reduced, and how does that compare to other recoil reduction modifications?

[@watchmyshoes22]

@@spydercomonkey Oh nvm in that case I see what you're saying, I'd assume it would be reduced significantly!

[@coldouglasmortimer6750]

3:00 very legit video compare, all youtube videos should look like this

[@ChasWG]

Good stuff, I'm running my first ever USPSA event tomorrow. I'm doing Production class with my Canik TP9SF Elite. Probably not the best gun to use for this, but its the gun I have. So I have done some mods that I can do to the gun for that class in an effort to manage the recoil. TF Brass mag extensions, Springco RMS and 29 newton striker spring, and an aftermarket threaded barrel. The gun is heavier than stock, but not nearly as heavy as you made yours. The brass backstrap is not allowed in Production and there is not plug for Canik guns unlike the Glocks. And to be honest, I'm not entirely sure the barrel is legit for the rules, but I can change that out in a snap. With each mod I feel like the gun has become a lot more manageable and easier to control. I also did a lot of stippling to the grip. The Canik is just hard to hold onto when your hands get sweaty. That's fixed. It's locked done now. Anyhow, good video! Thanks!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I think you can use the backstrap in production now

[@usche1]

Thanks!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks for watching it!

[@rifleman7313]

I think adding a weapon light would put the additional weight in the best possible position as it would be directly under the barrel or close to it and could help reduce muzzle flip. Although I don't know if it could still be used in competition (even if it had dead or no batteries).

[@AllOuttaNine]

A functional weapon light is legal in all divisions of USPSA.

[@joshuagrabow2437]

I've kept my G34 stock internally. Adding weight might help shave a few hundredths here and there, but frankly I have much bigger issues to deal with, and I'd rather focus on practice rather than modding.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It's not so much time as it is accuracy - under time pressure it's appreciably easier to keep it inside the lines.

[@boomstickBMF]

I use a Seattle Slug and a Jentra Ultra Heavy Tungsten GR. The jentra is the largest diameter tungsten rod Ive found as it uses round springs instead of flat springs. Unfortunately Jentra and Seattle slug only fits gen1/2/3.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

on a G34 - the Pure Tungsten from GlockStore - the extended one is hands down the heaviest. I believe the diameters of the GlockStore and the Jentra units are similar.

[@thinman8621]

Raising good questions. Tough data points to measure and collect. Subjective viewpoints may be as good as it gets. Once built a 1911 in 45acp with 6" slide and barrel. Didn't feel fast as transitions felt slow but did feel like recoil was dampened. Don't think my overall performance was better or worse when contrasted with a 5" pistol but the 6" pistol felt like I was shooting a truck transmission.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I'm convinced that the center of balance affects how a gun swings more - the really nose heavy guns that are longer - it's more pronounced - but balanced guns that are longer still seem to swing easy - at least for me.

[@James_Rothford]

I have a Glock 17 with L2D combat barrel and a stainless steel guide rod with factory sprig weight. I have a tlr1 on it. Would you recommend for competition using light? No light? Or investing in a heavy tungsten guide rod? I only want to buy one holster and not sure if I should go light or no light for USPSA. Thank you for your time and consideration.

[@diegovlucena]

I’ve got two guns, a glock 45 and a Arex Rex Alpha.. the Alpha has twice the mass and it’s great to shoot.. but it’s also not a fair comparison. I also use the dpm system in my Rex.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I imagine that's going to be quite different.

[@andrewfossatti4937]

Ok you got me, I subscribed. Numbers don’t lie lol

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

thanks!

[@elir9990]

Excellent video, when are you coming back to the CZ dark side? CZ customs is building some sweet optics ready pistols. Appreciate you my brother.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I am not sure that I will- the CZC A01 is a bit bigger so I would probably do that if anything - but I would probably do a Legion before either simply because of maintenance being easier and I am lazy

[@UncleDanBand64]

Very good presentation. Well done sir👍🇺🇸

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

👍

[@genzsurvival8908]

You might want to try a walther q4 match vs walther q4 sf

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I would love to - Walther doesn’t seem to want to play ball on T&E with a small channel and that’s about $2k in pistols I am not super interested in owning!

[@keithkent8126]

Nice presentation of options Humble. Million dollar question, do you do any physical training ? Weights , cardio , cross training ,running ,biking . K

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Kettle bells - simple/ sinister by Pavel Tsatsouline Currently on the 32kg

[@keithkent8126]

TheHumbleMarksman very interesting approach, you move very well for big guy . Thought maybe you would have more going on . K

[@keithkent8126]

TheHumbleMarksman I’m sure that enough , train like a navy seal lol ,32kg 70.6 lbs . As we age muscle mass and tone is hard to maintain. Eating right is also key . K

[@xMcBuckShot]

So pure tungsten with a 15 is better then dpm ? Anyone have any thoughts on dpm vrs Glock pure tungsten?

[@mitchellhoff9029]

Interesting, I switched away from a milled SP01 in favor of the P10F in August last year. I tend to favor the lighter guns.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I like the striker action enough to give up the weight - but I do like the way the weight handles better.

[@viewatyourownrisk]

Question for ya, what's your build? I'm 6'0" and build broad and muscular, and I find that I prefer the heavier pistols. Also, my hands have a minor tremor so a heavier pistol dampens that.

[@diogoazevedo8810]

Have you done a specific build, which trigger and barrel? Was going for S2, but the reliability and Striker fired is leading me to the CZ P10

[@charleshodgdon7311]

Is the thug plug legal for production? I think it was at one time illegal, but you could file it so it doesn’t protrude beyond mag well and it would therefore be legal. Is this true? I’m a new subscriber and your content is extremely helpful, thanks.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

The Seattle slug isn’t for how it extends past - but the thug plug ... might be? I thought it was so I re-read the rules - you get .1” from the heel of the grip- but where is that measured from? It is .05” too long if measured directly from the back but if you measure from the side of the heel - it’s legal. We’ll see what Troy says.

[@ES44AC-2]

I believe that weight is the reason most people have lights on pistols and not really for light.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

James ES44AC -2 yep- pretty sure you are right. Big fat frame weight

[@Silverscooby27]

James ES44AC -2 There are people I know with Glocks who use lights but fill the battery compartment with Tungsten for use in Limited, especially because holster availability is much better than with some of the frame weights out there.

[@jonathanfrost944]

Good stuff!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thanks! hope your matches go well for you this weekend sir.

[@mikeperry2561]

I don't own a Glock. I don't shoot competition. Very interesting content.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

thanks for checking it out!

[@donnelhuddleston2478]

Where the weight is located /Distributed on the gun is functionally much more important than the total amount of weight that a gun may have.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Certainly seemed to be the case in rapid fire.

[@chrisnanney1095]

Considering adding a plug and light to my 23 to see if the added weight will help with recoil dampening and accuracy. In your opinion, would those two add-ons help?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Adding non reciprocating mass under the barrel and a count weight in the grip would certainly help

[@bryceanderson553]

A natural lead into when are you going to give one of the new OR S2's a fair shake? I've been temped to buy one (I want to own at least one steel frame gun) but am having a hard time justifying it, especially since I'm really liking the low maintenance Glock platforms.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It'd be unlikely - it'd need to be donated for T&E and I'm not cool enough to get CZUSA attention - or someone who's got like 3 and won't miss one for a month-6 weeks.

[@scottb1002]

Have you seen any point of diminishing returns? I have a SS guide rod for my 34 and I'm going to pack my grip with tungsten rods, disks and putty and then epoxy in. I'm thinking I can get 5-7 oz into the grip which is a lot more than those plugs and wondering if it's almost too much.

[@Digitally007]

What are you thinking to add that much into your Glock?

[@2aholes402]

The Taylor Freelance Seattle slug is a good option but not legal in production. I have a tungsten guide rod and the Thug Plug I’m my 34. Now I’m shooting limited and really liking the 2011 over a glock.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

for limited I don't think a Glock is a great choice - at all.

[@2aholes402]

TheHumbleMarksman I have a 35 and was very tempted to try it but I had a good year in 2019 and sprang for the 2011. I still have the 35. It’s was an new old stock model with that frying pan finish. I can’t bring myself to sell

[@punisher9oneone]

I love the science. Thank you for taking the time to do this... makes me curious about the X5 vs X5 Legion now..... although I ordered the legion anyway. Lol. Should have it Monday or Tuesday.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I think the Legion was the right play.

[@punisher9oneone]

@@TheHumbleMarksman agreed. Specially since I now have it in my possession. Lots of dry firing to ensue to prepare for my first match next month. Romeo 1 Pro mounted too.

[@aribpm]

Nice hat.

[@joshf785]

Tungsten putty was all I added. I was no where near the previous weight limit and would have done this, rule change or not.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I might mess with the tungsten putty in the cavity - I'm warming up to the idea of it.

[@joshf785]

@@TheHumbleMarksman It's not expensive on Amazon at $7/oz. I was only able to fit ~1.5 oz with Thug Plug. I was worried it'd be messier, but it wasn't a pain at all. Side note: did you make Master in CO? I finally did as of the update tomorrow... assuming my math checks out.

[@perplexingperceptions8888]

There was a review on the heavy Glock plug where it cracked someone's frame. At first I was about to buy one but not anymore.

[@trddybrrks5222]

That was a major concern for me too, I got around it by using a Gen 4 19 plug in my Gen 3 17, which is slightly undersized. I didn't know it would work when I tried it but I'm glad it did!

[@muhammadsteinberg]

Never heard about that. I've had a 4oz brass plug in my g19 gen4 for several years.

[@WRXXXual]

Seemed like the DPM recoil system comported itself pretty well. Can you comment on that?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

On the distant shots it felt amazing. It behaves exactly like the heavy configuration - basically. On the hammered pairs the group opened up a bit - but it's definitely a contender.

[@chetmanley610]

You're way too proficient of a shooter for this test! I'd like to see a less experienced shooter do this test.

[@thiagohferreira]

Hi, why don’t you trim your backstrap at the bottok and keep both thug plug and blackstrap? I did this with my magwell!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Tried that - it would shift when I'd bear down on the grip and that was annoying.

[@thiagohferreira]

TheHumbleMarksman you can change the screw that holds your thug plug to one with a bigger head to keep the bottom of the backstrap solid, just did it on mine

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thiago Ferreira that’s clever.

[@bradh6185]

I bought my first Glock, a 43x, to use as edc with the S15 mags. It shoots pretty good. But just for fun, I want to do some reasonable upgrades. I want to add weight. I ordered a steel guide rod( I heard the tungsten ones have a more limited lifespan). Being an edc, I don't want anything extending below the grip. Does anyone ever coat the inside(or outside) of the frame with anything to increase weight? Maybe some kind of tape or paint? Are there other ways to add weight to the rear?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

pack tungsten putty into the cavity at the back of the grip. FYI I have a far higher round count on tungsten guide rods than most commenting on that - there's nothing wrong with them.

[@bradh6185]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks!

[@viewatyourownrisk]

Can you add a light? I don't know anything about USPSA rules. A TLR-1 would add 4.25 oz to the front including batteries. My stock 19 is a bit nicer to shoot with a light out front.

[@viewatyourownrisk]

Silverscooby27 Funny, I was actually thinking that or even just some lead shot would add a lot more weight. When shooting the 19 the light was in there due to wanting a light, so I would prefer to keep it functional. I am curious to try this though.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

In carry optics - No. Limited - yes if it doesn't work. Open - yes.

[@oscarbear7498]

Alot of research has been done to prove heavy is better for precision

[@bshadrick]

I've been shooting my 3 x5's then added the tungsten stuff. Went from 34 oz to 44 oz. My follow up shots are better heavy. Would love to try my x5's with about 55-58 oz but the weight toward the front of the gun. I might get a light, fill with lead, mount and see what that feels like. FYI that is not carry optics legal. Thanks for another great vid!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Yeah - lights would make things interesting.

[@Gieszkanne]

Does the long slide make any sense if you shout with an optic?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Depends on the gun- if it changes slide weight - which it does on the 34- the 34 has a slower recoil impulse than a 17 - I prefer the 17 to it now but at the time liked the 34

[@Gieszkanne]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Ok and what about the G45/G19X. This must have an even faster recoil. What about control? Some say you have better recoil control with the longer slides.

[@wintersguo8048]

Nope, haven't changed nothing on my X5 with tungsten grip yet.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Seems popular to do the tungsten rod/grip weight on those.

[@robedwards6926]

@@TheHumbleMarksman What type of grip weights?

[@warrenrosen2326]

Your logo looks like the peanut guy😁

[@appliedperformance773]

I’m doing this experiment right now with the 17. Just doing a tungsten rod and thug plug to see how it feels.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this.

[@godgunsandgoldens]

Does anyone make extra weight pistol lights for muzzle rise control?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Even small lights add about 3 oz. That's a lot for most pistols.

[@jalenking4117]

I wonder if the results would be different with a less experienced shooter. You shoot way above average and can probably shoot almost any gun very good regardless of all the mods done to it

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

yes the significance would be amplified with someone with less technique I would imagine.

[@watchmyshoes22]

Absolutely! As an inexperienced shooter it’s incredibly difficult for me to shoot a lightweight Glock. And I mean INCREDIBLY difficult as in grouping is non existent however while shooting a better gun like a sig I have good groups.

[@mr.mr.3301]

What are you running these days? The Canik? Why did you leave Glock

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Everything - but primarily open guns. Because open guns are not really conducive to a platform other than 2011

[@jimdavis9275]

Awesome!!!!!!

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@ricardobernal8840]

👍👍

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

thanks for watching!

[@ricardobernal8840]

Thank you for being a KZbin sensation, I know it’s not easy.

[@itzboba69]

So the thug plug didn’t really help much?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

By itself not as much as with the PTGR

[@thebrassbrigade5963]

Nope never changed the weight. I shoot a 17 RTF2 just use a stainless recoil rod w/ a 13lb spring

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

That's about all you can do in IDPA - I think you probably are getting some benefit there for sure.

[@wisewhiterabbit]

tune the man or tune the gun......that is the question.

[@tkm3207]

If the heavy gun truly wins out in USPSA then Glock needs to look at making a heavy frame gun like SIG. But... Glock being Glock they won’t....

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It would be interesting to have a heavier weight Glock

[@robertfourie9159]

Just gamer things

[@Baldcurious]

why put so much effort into a Glock , why not start with all steel gun or something like X5 Legion ? You just like the challange ?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Glocks haven’t pissed me off enough yet to make a change - I would get a legion if I started now. It’s not that much nicer in my hands - a little less punishing but performance is similar to glocks

[@emptyboat7]

Can you test the glock metal frame made by Alpha foxtrot?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Doesn't look like they're in stock anywhere.

[@emptyboat7]

@@TheHumbleMarksman please keep that in your mind. You'll be the only one to do it.

[@UncleDanBand64]

I am trying to make mine lighter.....because I am lazy😂👍🇺🇸

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I'm curious in lightening my slide now.

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Well no doubt that reciprocal mass plays a roll in recoil. I have thought about a super-heavy guide rod in my wife's Glocks because range ammo can result in stovepipes for her at times.

[@fairweatherbull4908]

I love how all the Glock fans show you how great their gun is, after they change just about everything on it. What they show you is a gun that is nothing like what came from the factory. Sights gone, trigger gone, modify the grips yep, change the barrel yep, stock mags no way, guide rod gone, springs all changed, port the slide yep, mill the slide for red dot, now its add weight..

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

I am recreating this video with a shadow 2 - be sure to show up and leave an equally lousy comment

[@fairweatherbull4908]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Oh come on man this was not directed solely at you, its impossible to find a straight head to head review as they come from the factory. Yes I am a CZ fan :) lol my Shadow 2 OR now has a Magwell, a flat trigger with a short reach disconnect, Trijicon SRO and as of today a Eemann tech Thumb rest. Just love this gun.

[@watchmyshoes22]

His accurate comment isn’t lousy just because it hurt your feelings. Nothing he said wasn’t true you’re being tremendously sensitive here.

[@watchmyshoes22]

Haha that’s so true! It entirely defeats the point of buying something only to completely replace every aspect of it. Don’t feel bad I’m not sure why he felt the need to lash out and insult you for an honest and logical opinion and even proceeded to ignore your attempt to reconcile that was super immature.