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Building a HiFi Audio System? Don't listen to audiophiles!
Every audiophile or home theater fan has spent time thinking "How much should I spend on audio gear?" Knowing just what hifi gear to buy so you can start building the best hifi system can be overwhelming. Nobody wants to spend more than they need or buy the wrong thing, right? Audiophile math can lead to purchasing decisions that seem like a good idea at first but in the long run may cost you more money. Understanding audiophile mathematics may save you money in the long run when shopping for audiophile equipment. Should You Listen to Audiophiles?
INTRO: 00:00
WHAT IS AUDIOPHILE MATH: 00:39
IS THE KANTO YU6 WORTH THE MONEY: 00:56
CAN YOU BUILD A HIFI SYSTEM FOR LESS: 01:36
BUILDING A BETTER BUDGET STEREO SYSTEM: 03:06
AUDIOPHILE MATH AND HIGH-END HIFI GEAR: 05:35
AUDIOPHILE MATH AND HOME THEATER: 06:20
CAN YOU BUILD A HOME THEATER CHEAPER THAN A SONY HT-A9: 06:29
SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T DO HIFI AND HOME THEATER MORE CHEAPLY: 08:19
CONCLUSION: 08:51
KRISTI'S TAKE ON USED HIFI MARKET: 09:16
KRISTI TALKS AUDIOPHILE GATEKEEPING: 13:49
SIGN OFF: 17:51
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[@SeanVedell]

Not so much with A/V gear but with computer stuff? Oi vay!! It’s embarrassing.

[@edholmwood]

A pair of Appogee Scintillas. Holy crap did that purchase snowball.

[@SeanVedell]

Oh ya, the expensive thing was a Weber BBQ. Every three years I’d have to replace my crap Walmart BBQ and my family would buy me another one for Fathers Day until I finally broke the cycle and put down the big bucks on a Weber. Five years later it still looks like I just brought it home and it’s an infinitely better cooking experience. Really expensive thing wins the total cost of ownership argument this time!

[@robinsonbrand]

@@edholmwood Oh Appogee speakers (MartinLogan ESL and Maggies too) will quickly drain a bank account.

[@robinsonbrand]

@@SeanVedell Totally can relate.

[@edholmwood]

Christie nailed it with her gate keeper theory. They just want to show everyone how smart they are. I have found that I am not as impressed with them as they with themselves.

[@Psyphonyx_Life]

Perfect!

[@jstoli996c4s]

@Douglas Blake love it LOL

[@irresponzible]

@Douglas Blake "the only real difference"? Without knowing the details of his system, that's pretty bloody unlikely. Not defending rabid audiophiles, but your position just sounds like the converse of theirs. The reality is home theatre cost/benefit isn't linear and his system, while probably better, doesn't necessarily justify the cost.

[@Woofy-tm8si]

Ditto. FAR too often, it becomes a distasteful exercise of ego masturbation.

[@AlexandruDumitrescu]

My grandfather had a say: “I’m too poor to buy cheap things” . This somewhat also covers this. But even for those more expensive alternatives (probably more future proof and more suited for your hopes) it’s a must to do your research! I learned this on my own skin, or better said on my own wallet :) Edit: My latest example of this was buying a pair of KEF LSX instead of separates… after 2 months of using them I’m congratulating my self for doing it although at the start I wasn’t so sure it was the best option.

[@KristiWright]

What a great saying and so true. I think we’ve all bought things that were in the moment cheaper but ultimately not better or what we really hoped for.

[@johanakerblad339]

Alexandru, really good comment from your grandfather! I learnt it late but since I bought Naim Unity Atom amp and Dynaudio Evoke 30 I´m pleased with the sound and userfriendly amp. Better to spend a good amount of money right away instead of contiously replace the low cost units. I don´t know if you have Dynaudio brand in the states but I really liked the smaller floorstander Evoke 30.

[@AlexandruDumitrescu]

@@johanakerblad339 We have Dynaudio here in Romania but I haven't had/listened to them. I've had for a long time now a pair on MonitorAudio GS20's for the living room and a pair of B&W CM1 (S1) (moved them to the country side and replaced them with LSX's) . The speakers I don't regret but the amps somewhat I do :) but well I was a "beginner" at the time of purchase and also the internet wasn't so full of good info at that time to get documented better, and also good resellers were kind of sparse.

[@AlexandruDumitrescu]

@@KristiWright Yeah, for example use a Denon RCD-M39 to drive the B&W CM1 :) such a bad decision, but at least I stuck with it some time to avoid further expenses. Now they are driven by a Bluesound Powernode (2021) which was quite hard to get my hands on this year because of the electronic components shortage, but man ... such a big difference it does...

[@bronstet]

Your grandfather was a very wise man.

[@Darrylizer1]

Well I don't listen to audiophiles, but I do listen to recovering audiophiles.

[@lucymolockian1849]

This summer my dad decided he wanted a stereo system again, don't know why. He set out to search the garage sales and found some old 2 way 8 inch Cerwin Vegas, early 2000 Sony receiver, Sony CD player, Oak stand. Not comparing to anything in this video, I just got a kick out of watching him get excited, and just how quickly he was able put together something that sounds pretty fkn good. He spent around 50$ in a week...he's retired and Dutch. 😘

[@jstoli996c4s]

That's great!

[@audiebeimer3825]

Kristi is the true voice of reason in all things on this channel, said with much respect Andrew for incredible knowledge and insight always.

[@pawa303]

In my opinion, Andrew is an expert, but every expert opinion needs to be balanced with a “common-man” opinion. Which is why these two work so great together on these videos.

[@RoyMudie]

As someone that's just decided to go for the HT-A9 over seperates I apprecaite this video re-enforcing my thoughts! :D

[@robinsonbrand]

Enjoy your new A9 system!

[@myfuzzys]

Same here

[@jponsie]

@roy what’s it like? Meet the hype?

[@RoyMudie]

@@jponsie not got it yet I'm afraid, cinema room doesn't even have walls yet! 😅

[@APHATMOUSE]

@@RoyMudie throw away the bed and buy a couch until the real room is done! Wives and girlfriends love this! It’s a relationship hack!

[@yuriwalter385]

Take an airplane, travel by car or backpacking? It depends on how you want to enjoy the journey... and money is only one of many (personal) aspects. Good video. Food for thought. I guess the most important thing, as a community, should be the respect for the fellow travellers?

[@KristiWright]

❤️

[@patrickmclaughlin7023]

The way you wrapped this up reminded me of an article I read about why churches would buy 3 sound systems. The first one they do as cheap as possible. The second one is patches and upgrades to the first system to try to make it better. Then they finally buy what they actually need and should've bought to begin with.

[@MJHiteshew]

I generally agree with everything you said. The ONLY contrarian perspective to what you have said is the person who is on the upgrade path and wants to upgrade component by component, and have the flexibility to do so. Buying an all-in-one powered bookshelf speaker requires that if you want to upgrade, you need to basically upgrade speaker, amp, DAC, etc. all at once. In full transparency, I have a powered bookshelf system as well as a component system, and feel both are great in their specific use case. Love your content!!

[@m5Yb7Ds]

Great vid. As a home HiFi builder, you’re bang on. All in will always be cheaper than separates when they are on the same level. The simple cost of having multiple power supplies will make the use of separates costlier.

[@TemujinScott80]

I think it’s okay to hear feedback or tips. However, some audiophiles tend to think everyone has massive budgets and can be dismissive when you don’t follow their advice.

[@KristiWright]

💯

[@badgerdms]

That's always my first question when someone asks me for advice--how much do you want to spend. I'm self-aware enough to recognize that the $2k that I think is a screaming deal is someone else's obscene amount of money.

[@melcharson]

Find the right audiophile :) I always ask, what's your budget and preferences?

[@daniannaci3258]

And they never seem to ask “How are you going to use the system?” and just as important “Where are you able to install it where you can enjoy it the most?”

[@daniannaci3258]

@@badgerdms I wouldn’t ask someone “How much do you want to spend?” before demonstrating what performance is available at different price points. See QOTD

[@leon23leon]

I’m only a couple of years down my audio journey as a music-obsessed person of many years and honestly, I find many of the audiophile community to be borderline toxic. I spent my time in forums getting told what to do, what to spend, how far apart to have my speakers, how much toe in to have, to recarpet the floor in my listening room, to put up acoustic treatment, to take down my artwork…. To spite them all: I bought Klipsch The Fives because it ticked every box for me and eliminated so much clutter and I’ve never been happier listening to music again :) Great video.

[@dennistomsen5822]

When I was a budding audiophile some quarter century ago I spend a lot of money upgrading all the time after advice from dealers and fellow audiophiles alike without ever coming close to being really satisfied with the sound. Then I moved homes and suddenly most gear sounded fine to great. That taught me a very valuable lesson in the hifi hobby. Ears and room first, taste next and then dead last the minutia of different gear, fine-tuning one could say. That approach has since saved me a lot of money, kept music the focus, made me enjoy my purchases much more and I never had to experience being a recovering audiophile 😁

[@khalor7051]

Great video Andrew/Kristi. Took your advice last year with a “simple” hi-fi set-up with the YU6/U-turn TT combo. And I LOVE IT. It’s perfect for my small listening room. Got a lot of compliments from my family and friends that they bought the same set-up. Not only is it budget friendly, but also wife approved!👍🏼 I’m sure there are better products out there, but your videos sheds light on practical options without sacrificing quality. Keep up the good work you guys. Please make more videos like these because they really help make a difference, and can save marriages. 😄 🔊🎶✌🏼

[@Mat-hr1dg]

I SO agree with almost everything said in this video. I myself was very guilty of saying "well you could do better with less" and ALWAYS figured out when calculating the actual costs that I was wrong. This is a great video I can only sign off on.

[@theboothman3]

I like that you guys aren’t afraid to share your perspective even if it might not get you all the likes and subscribes. I appreciated this video! Thank you!

[@robinsonbrand]

We always keep it real!

[@christiankansichi6622]

Yeah. I can never ask a question about a soundbar without getting the 'why don't you just build a system' statement. Well maybe because I don't want to and a just want a FREAKING SOUNDBAR!

[@KristiWright]

🙌

[@KristiWright]

This is my favorite comment and something I find myself silently screaming every time we talk about a new sound bar.

[@simonboyenielsen3287]

haha this is really funny Christian, you see that alot. People make your needs their need and advise you based on their own needs or wants.

[@robinsonbrand]

@Simon Boye Nielsen THIS RIGHT HERE.

[@ThevenimX]

Kristi is a good example for the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) she understands the value of good audio but also speaks of the inherent complications that can come as well as her own opinion of what she’d prefer

[@jimgardner5129]

I can see my wife's eyes glaze over when I start throwing all the other options at her after she's happily discovered the powered bookshelves. That would be a great way to scare her away from the joy of audio. Really enjoyed the graphics in this video. Nice work!

[@robinsonbrand]

Thanks!

[@phizzle24]

I just hope when I die my wife doesn't sell the gear for what I told her I paid 🤣

[@SeanVedell]

Oh ya, someone would get a great deal from my stuff, that’s for sure!

[@je19921]

Best comment aha !

[@geomorphdog]

Or even what I actually paid! Before I worked on it.

[@epi2045]

I went through a Bose phase ages ago. And I loved it. All-in-inclusive, choice of price points, and EAF to setup.

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

"Should You Listen to Audiophiles when Building a HiFi Audio System?" Short answer: No Long answer: Hell No!

[@robinsonbrand]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@FroiValencia]

Watching audiophile reviews are heavy in the wallet. Want to save ??? Stop watching!!!!! 😆 but keep this channel for emergency. 😇

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

@@FroiValencia This channel in its most recent iteration is a powerhouse of effortless knowledge and useful info. I've mounted an hi-fi system for 10k after years on a 200k plus one and all the measurements are better for the later than for the earlier. Having all components correctly talking to each other is the thing that most people setting up an hi-fi forget. That's what's gonna kill the brightness of the highs and dull the treble of the lows, as well as impairing your soundstage.

[@jazzmetalaudiophile]

Suggestive answer: Listen to audiophile’s systems (in your budget) and find out what you like

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

@@jazzmetalaudiophile That's the best advice right there.

[@joostvanderwaaij]

Last year I replaced the heart of my set by going digital: replaced my loudspeakers with active loudspeakers with an integrated DAC and dsp, replaced my amplifier with a so called systemhub with a lot of digital inputs, two analog inputs and a build-in streamer. Also sold my expensive audiophile cables and this year I also done this for my headphone setup: sold my dac/amp and headphone and bought an expensive wireless headphone back for the same price as I sold my dac/amp and headphone. These changes gave me a lot of peace, because I became a prosumer instead of an audiophile. BTW, still using an oldschool sacd-player and turntable because of the amount of music I have besides the streaming services.

[@raulgarcia1718]

You guys really nailed it right in the head on this one. Any time I’ve tried to do these types of comparisons the math never works out, especially when you factor into in the necessary accessories to make everything work together. Kristy’s comments particularly hit home when dealing with other people’s recommendations. Compromised solutions are exactly that. Even if you can get the price down the difference in price will likely be negligible and the components make not work well together as well as the original solution.

[@michaelrossmaessler200]

I would call it anti-audiophile math. Most audiophiles I've known usually advocate spending more not less. But the actual examples and the math are dead on. You and Kristi produce a great channel :)

[@stevezeidman7224]

You make a lot of great points in this episode. I think what upsets me more in forums or discussion groups is where commenters tell someone that is very proud of their purchase that it just plain sucks. There’s a huge amount of rudeness to folks seeking open advice as well. As far as math, I happen to like vintage equipment because I’m well..vintage. I think people that buy it love the aesthetic as much as the sound.

[@josephj6521]

When I bought my first surround sound system, I went into a store and listened to what was offered. I was sold on speakers & amp and bought them immediately. 12 years on, I still love them. I never buy without seeing/listening to the product.

[@rogerhuston8287]

I'm an audiophile and I'm VERY interested in the Sony A9 because of it's simplicity.

[@nkenchington6575]

its, not it's

[@jonasandersson78]

Hey, great video as usual. I brought a pair of similar speakers as the canto. Super happy with them. Just a vinyl player connected. Looks and sounds great.

[@robinsonbrand]

That's awesome!

[@johntomme8250]

I spent about 30 years not buying Klipsch Fortes. I spent so much more than the 5k for the Fortes. on speakers, I no longer own. Thanks to you and some others. I am thrilled with finally buying the thing I really wanted, the.Forte IVs

[@Speedyking90]

A video I didn’t know I needed. This information would have helped me a few days ago. Thanks! I’ll use this as an example in the future.

[@waterlover]

Love this topic /video because it hits the nail on the head.. GR research said something about a video he was going to do, well a few years later still waiting on that video

[@mikepaul2372]

Respect the fact that you come out here and put your thoughts and feelings out there for us. So many folks don't like to have legit discussions and disagreements. We all have our experience, expertise, opinions etc. and we should have the ability to express them freely. I tell folks all the time, think about your system like it was like buying an engagement ring etc. Put your budget together and buy what you like for the money. Remember, it is you that your trying to make happy. Regardless of your budget, make yourself happy listening. Of course we may always want that certain Unicorn piece of equipment but stop and enjoy the music. That is the most important thing. Again, Thank you Andrew and Kristi for these videos!

[@SuperBuellman]

I just recently saw this on a review where someone names himself "Cheap" reviewing a PS Audio Sprout 100. I currently own one and saw the same example of the reviewer trying to have viewers consider going to a bunch of separate components than buying the Sprout. I have everything already installed in the Sprout and it sounds great. I don't need all the wires and worry about getting good sound and value when I already have the engineering from PS Audio doing it for me. I do have Vintage gear and it brings back the memories and sound but the newer equipment is so much better in execution and performance. To each their own. Thank you for having the cajones to talk about this subject.

[@stevenholt5484]

I also own the Sprout, and I watched that same video. I don't believe that guy knows what he's talking about. He listens to a lot of Metallica, so that might explain a few things....

[@Alexandroskollias1]

"Base on what we can see". Love it. So True.

[@accvdre]

Enjoying the videos, only came across your channel as I'm interested in the HT-A9. I love the choice of Kristi not being on camera and just seeing your natural reaction to what she says and mentions something that you may have not hit on. In regards to the know it alls I think the best answer to them is "hey you do you and I'll do me" Most people in this world just want simplicity.

[@l_speed8797]

Set a budget, do your research, and most importantly, buy what YOU want, not what someone else wants. The trap i think a lot of people fall into is thinking that advice from an experienced individual (while helpful) should have more weight than your own personal tastes, but, amazing concept here, they aren't going to be in YOUR room listening to YOUR music.... YOU are. So buy what works for you and your budget. And if you have the budget for that $5k system, then by all means, go for it. Just don't be surprised when someone points out that their $10k system sounds better because blah blah blah blah blah....

[@cure4procrastination]

This makes a lot of sense especially for new audio enthusiasts who live in smaller spaces and apartments. My experience - Picked the Klipsch R-41PM instead of the Fives/Kanto YU 6/AudioEngine 5. Added a sub R-120 (on sale) to compensate for bass, added a DAC and Equaliser to achieve better dialogue for movies. Bought the SVS sound isolation riser, generic bass traps + foams to treat room acoustics. These added up to almost double the price of the Fives.

[@Ladco77]

Good points on simplicity. I have a full component home theater system and I love it. I also have Klipsch The Sixes powered bookshelves as a standalone streaming system in my bedroom, and it's all-in-one setup and simplicity was a big selling point even if I could have gotten a pair of other bookshelves and receiver for less.

[@stevewright1539]

Let’s not forget the engineering/design costs to get these components into a competent all in one system. I get the joy of the audiophile “hobby” where putting together your own component system is part of the fun but finding a great or even amazing sounding all in one is pretty easy and who needs all those damn cables?! (Duck!)

[@robinsonbrand]

HAHAHAHAHAHA yes, duck!

[@RUfromthe40s]

i agree a friend of mine in 2000 spent on a sony complete system with 4ohms speakers and a very clean sound it had a 6 cd player, minidisc, radio ,and on top a hidden cassette player all complete 600€, like 12 years after he asked me to see the new stereos on a big surface where you can buy anything to your daily life ,and he bought the expensier system there at the time from LG,when at his home he asked me for help to install the system and i helped him and when staying a bit on his house he told me do you want the sony ,only the radio and the minidisc works ,i said yes. The diference is that the things i bought in the 70´s still works and those compact systems fail a lot after 10 years of use

[@bronstet]

That sound you hear whooshing over your head is my 5.1.4 audiophile snob self chucking my 200W subwoofer at you. 🤪 How dare you imply that nobody likes a mess of speaker cables snaking all over their living room? If you want great sound, you are obligated to risk getting tripped up by them and breaking your own neck in the fall! Audiophile or death! But seriously, this. We just had this discussion on Andrew's Sony A9 review. Wireless is the future. Interestingly, positive reviews of the A9 are now starting to appear en masse on the Internet. Sony has really scored a home run with this product and it's underlying technology.

[@JohnScheppler]

Great content and so true. I've bought used and sometimes there's a reason they are letting it go or agree it can be a hassle. The home trial return policy isn't very good, lol. In the 1st reference they only advantage of buy separate parts is you could upgrade one piece when you have the extra money or better understanding of what you like were if you buy the all in one you have to replace everything. All the rest of the video is true.

[@philfugate]

In one of your videos you mentioned that the best system is the system you use and I’m really identifying with that today. I’ve been fortunate enough to finally build out my dream Goldenear system (Triton 2+ based 5.1) and while I’m waiting for that to come in, I’ve been adding other components such as a Cambridge DacMagic 100, getting ready for Hi-Fi paradise. Today I decided that I really wanted to listen to some Yo-Yo Ma, so I hooked up the DAC to my old Vizio sound bar and played some 24bit/96, and boy was I blow away. The Vizio sounded way better than it ever has. The mids are crisp and responsive. The speaker fills the room like never before and I’ve really enjoyed listening for the last two hours. Who would have known that a simple $200 purchase could produce gold. Thanks for all your content and helping me find contentment in just the music.

[@willburren1957]

Great topic to cover and very helpful especially to those new to hifi, etc.

[@8474Starscream]

I've been fortunate in my journey w/ speakers & hardware. I am a firm believer in tangibles....hands on with the product before buying. Getting harder & harder these days. The only product I wasn't able to see in person & bought was the Kanto Tuk's however I did have a virtual tangible with Mr. Robinson's review and they are fantastic. If you have the patience best to save & buy big rather to not.

[@shankyboy1690]

Great video as always. It was interesting that you mentioned the Aiyima amplifier. Is that something you'd be interested in reviewing as part of perhaps putting together a basic 2 channel system under say $300. Many many people value your opinion and I think would really enjoy a deep dig into more value based systems.

[@ouslander1]

Your video is pretty much on point. Especially with the current supply chain situation. I definitely picked the wrong time to get into High Fi. Lol Great video Ty

[@TopHatCat1989]

When it comes to hi-fi systems, a lot the stuff I use are hand-me-downs from my dad's previous system, except for the receiver which I bought 7 years ago. I built for myself a centre channel speaker as a summer project from leftover MDF and speaker he had from his previous build.

[@BuckyJoe00]

1:15 - that cross dissolve was smooth asf. I see you Andrew. Low key flexing those editing skills 💪🏻

[@neilreynolds6453]

My system consists of an Adcom GFA-555-ll, a Marantz Preamp-tuner processor, linked to an Onkyo Integra EQ. I bought the Onkyo EQ new many years ago. The Adcom amp and Marantz processor I bought used. All are considered vintage. They sound impeccable. The speakers are quite new. BIC Eviction series 15. An old Sony Minidisc player, a Sony cassette player, and an Onkyo CD player and a Pioneer Elite DVD player round out the setup. Forgot two more. A JBL 300 watt subwoofer and a Pioneer RT 909 reel to reel complete it.

[@kimhall]

I started out my audio journey years ago, with an all in one Pioneer system, i.e. turntable, receiver, casette and 8-track. And I have had several systems over the years. Stepping up with each system upgrade. In the last year, I decided to upgrade for a better, high-end for me, system. After a lot of research and listening to several of your reviews I ended up purchasing a new system. I bought a new Yamaha V6A receiver after watching your review of it, several times. I bought a set of Polk Signature speakers, and a couple of Klipsch Subs to round it out, for a fabulous 7.2 surround system. And to separate my vinyl listening, I had an older Harman-Kardon AVR-55 receiver that I paired with a pair of Klipsch 620F speakers and an older used Yamaha PL-250 turntable and Ortofon Head and stylus. This is not the high-end equipment, but still, all of this is more than what I could have spent on an All-in-one system, and by no means am I an Audiophile, but this is what I was inclined to buy to nourish my audio and video appetite I look at it like this. It isn't what you spend, it's only if you enjoy it. And when anybody complements or says, you coulda, shoulda, or whatever, I always remember your words... "The only person who has to like the sound of your system is you!" And you can replace "sound" with Components or Setup. But whatever it is, it is yours. LOL Great Job Andrew! Keep up the Great work.

[@shawnrogers3373]

I enjoy the change of pace from reviews. The wealth of knowledge from your background should be explored more. Keep up the great channel.

[@robinsonbrand]

Much appreciated!

[@SantoshSundaram]

Andrew absolutely nailed it! I sold a 15 yr old Bose Lifestyle 35 series 2 5.1 channel home theater and bought Klipsch the fives. I am absolutely happy that it offer far better connectivity options and just one wire between the two speakers. And it cost a third of what I paid for the home theater 15 yes ago. I still kept the same old budget, but ended up with a Bose Smart Soundbar 300 + base module 500 for the bedroom for another third. Now am still left with another third of my budget for something extra - still not decided 😀😀 Loved Kristi’s comment about people hesitating to move from their old fixed ideas and try something new.

[@mattyj3051]

Well done! It’s why I’m thinking of purchasing the Hegel H95 or Audiolab 6000 you reviewed.

[@davidangel-blair9358]

Great comment Kristi about change! I absolutely agree.

[@cyberctashdummy]

Ab-so-lute-lee true. I had this convesation with my daughter about my grandson's car audio system we are starting to build. When we talked about cost I broke it down showing it would be more money 💰 I have used the used market because i liked something I have experience with. NOT to save money. You run the risk of inherenting problem and it may not have the lastest features that have become standard. My advice biy what you want because the compromise will cost more in the end! It may take some time but spend the money 💰 . . . Auwsome and much needed you two ! ! !

[@Admirable_Director93]

Great video as usual, love how you think about the bigger picture. Couple of thoughts to add - You might not want every feature in a one box solution (or an additional feature not included) - You can upgrade in stages with individual components (or it's easier to replace one broken component) - It's quite hard to do a like for like sound/quality comparision without purchasing both options

[@paulkerr9128]

Buying used can save money, but shipping is always a killer unless the item is local. This is particularly true for hifi stuff because it is typically large and heavy. I've seen lots of "good deals" on eBay, but when you add in the shipping, it becomes at best marginal in terms of saving any money.

[@rosswarren436]

Indeed. I had been looking at some Wharfedale Linton speakers on Audiogon, but jeez, the shipping costs ate up most of the "savings". Why buy used if you are only saving less than 20%? You might as well buy brand new and have a manufacturer's warranty for that little price difference.

[@hishams89]

i got the sony A9 last weekend, very happy with it, and was all the time thinking about the price, thank you for saving me lots of thoughts. Best Regards from Germany

[@robinsonbrand]

Great to hear!

[@AdamRedmond88]

Just picked up a pair of refurbished S803 speakers from Woot for $120 shipped! My little hodgepodge setup is finally complete. And yes, I am at last very much liking the sound of my system.🥰

[@SuperSayen27]

This is great, thanks Andrew! As someone looking to start, it’s daunting sometimes with all the options😁

[@robinsonbrand]

Glad it was helpful!

[@robertsamson4610]

Acoustech PL 980 3-way, six-driver 4ft. tower speakers. Frequency Response: 22Hz-23kHz Sensitivity: 98dB Drivers: Two high power 8" active woofers, two 8" passive woofers, one enclosed 5" midrange, and one 6 1/2" mid/high-frequency aluminum dome horn with neodymium magnet. Magnetic Shielding: YES Gold-Plated Terminals: YES. Price $660.00 for the pair on Amazon. I have these and they sound great for the money.

[@NZstealox181196]

This video was great, well done. What you explained in this video is the reason I chose to fork out for my KEF LSX’s last year. In saying that though, I also really enjoy my second hand component system as well 🙂 I don’t think either is wrong, depends what you personally have the time for I guess.

[@jeraldquist8579]

I love this. I had a 20 something ask me about what would make a good starter system. I found him a similar powered speaker from Klipsch on closeout that he could add a starter TT to but would also allow for Bluetooth digital in and an RCA in. I may also have had a sub out as well. Not something I would buy but for a starter, it checked all the boxes.

[@sidewinder2165]

Hi Andrew, really enjoyed all your very educational and informative videos. Please keep them coming. Would like your thoughts n opinion on Zingali 2.10 monitor speakers. Do you think it's worth the money. What would you recommend as an alternative to that price range. Thanks a million

[@HalloN1989]

Comoletely onboard here. Although always tempted to upgrade to separates, right now I'm super happy with my Focal Shape 50 (85W class AB,bi-amplified) active monitors, Rel T/5i and SMSL SU-8 balanced DAC, that it would take a LOT more money to significantly upgrade

[@ibassnote]

I went all the way with this concept purchasing the Buchardt A500. Unlike many, I didn’t want to spend all my time trying to match a bunch of components, swap them out relentlessly, research endlessly, spend a ton of money and go through re-selling in order to chase the perfect sound. I just bought a forward thinking system that garnered high praise from those I trust. For myself, I think our most valuable resource is TIME. I love the Buchardt A500. I paired them and started listening. Perfection.

[@tedmanasa907]

Good topic. I definitely take advantage of the used market, but it comes with a big cost: if anything goes wrong, you have little recourse. I recently had major issues with an AVR that I bought new. I’m glad I bought it from local a dealer because they processed an RMA for me without hassle. Sad about that UT vs. OU game yesterday. They had it in the bag! 🤘🏼

[@mugenoesis]

Honestly absolutely bang on, I just bought the Samsung q950a. Cus I even said it to my wife day before this video came out. I can't match the channels and speakers I'm getting now without spending way way more.

[@thomassiegers3007]

That sucks you missed the Sony ht a9

[@Rockhurst22]

You are so totally correct. I own the YU2 because it is way cheaper to do that than to get something else for my "simple" desktop setup. As far as my home theater budget, I am good at the math part but the truth is if I have a budget of what I want to do, a safe bet is to simply double that because by the end of it all that is the final result. I'm at least $20,000+ into the home theater hobby. (And mostly done, I could always add another subwoofer.)

[@dereknelson7108]

love the change of pace for this video! my first entry into hi-fi were the Kanto YU4's because they just provided so much functionality for the price, and I was on a strict budget at the time and didn't want to fuss with amps and pre amps and everything. I would not have gotten better for less. I've upgraded speakers since, but I still use the Kantos as my computer speakers, which I think is where the YU4's shine. I have no plans on getting rid of these speakers. there is just way too much gatekeeping in the audiophile community that really tries to get people to spend way more than they need to on set ups they deem worthy of being audiophile, when there are so many all-in-one type options now with active speakers, soundbars, or surround systems like those sony's that will be fantastic for the majority of people, especially when considering the cost.

[@rsolsjo]

A very important video. It's really important for newcomers to know that a decent "all in one" solution can be really satisfying. You don't need half a dozen standalone devices to get the most out of your speakers, and they certainly don't have to be rare retro pieces worth thousands of dollars. A lot of audiophiles are buying air, because it makes them FEEL like their system is better and more complete, a lot like fashionistas will buy clothes or scents that are expensive but really not much different from budget options. I mean when you're buying $1000 cables and special designer feet meant to decrease resonance for your speaker or subwoofer.. you could be using the money for so much else. I think it's ultimately more important to think about what you want to be able to DO with your system - wifi, Bluetooth, HDMI eARC, cables/cable free, sub/no sub? Is your space big or small, closed or open? Do you have neighbors that can be annoyed by heavy bass resonance? Think good and long on that, do research, compare components and prices, find sales.

[@JR-ho5qm]

Great point, but there’s something to be said about enjoying your time slowly upgrading piece by piece getting to the expensive thing. It’s about the chase.

[@nathanielFalck]

I got an Anthem STR Preamp a year ago, and love it. Sometimes I get enamored of the idea of a particular DAC or phono stage and think I can sall my Anthem for an even better separates system, but it's just not possible. I'd have to spend several thousand more for a separates system that exceeds the STR's quality, and even then it wouldn't do everything the STR does.

[@KristiWright]

New audiophile drinking game: take a shot every time someone says "buy used" in the comments. 🥃 🥴

[@PopcornandVinyl]

If I played this game in audio forums I would have been dead a long time ago.

[@JamesLee-ph9go]

I was waiting for this comment. Lol 🤣. Sending my respect from the UK 🇬🇧. Kristi & Andrew, stay safe & well. 🙏 Andrew is a very interesting character. He gets straight to the point. 👍🏻

[@epi2045]

Purchase pre-owned. Do I get a pass? I hope more audiophiles support their local hifi shops including for used.

[@jazzmetalaudiophile]

Made my comment, but watched the whole video first 😅

[@stephenbrockway5899]

I would love to , but I have one concern... alcohol poisoning. Be careful!

[@luthermahoney5867]

I'm from South Africa, absolutely enjoy and appreciate the reviews and content you produce. I currently don't have a system at all but want to build one that's modern and will satisfy what I like, coming from being a car audio nut (Sq and ESQL). The Sony HT A9 with the SW5 subwoofer really looks like it would be ideal. Yet down in SA we don't have nearly the variety or even access to the options you guys do in the USA. And we're molested in terms of cost, even more so if looking to import which means buying blind. Second hand market is just about non existent and/or priced like new anyway. Wish Sony was better represented/supported as I would invest in that A9 with SW5 system, my fiance would approve as its so versatile as well. Keeping fingers and toes crossed that it may become an option/available here. Great show guys

[@bphilbac]

Great stuff once again. Thanks for posting.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

Man, this channel is aces. All aces. Can we get a review of the RME ADI-2 FS? I'm a computer-based music listener and the ADI-2 looks like a good start to my first hi-fi build (I already have decent speakers and a decent sub, but I've run them off a cheap AVR for years)

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

--For me, the Expensive Thing was quality subwoofers. I tried a couple of times to get by with inexpensive options, but they were a waste of money and morale. Finally I bit the bullet and invested heavily in bass and of course I wish I'd done so from the start

[@jkym3706]

I ended up getting a 3 year old M5si which im extremely pleased with. I nearly went for the audiolab 6000a based on your recent review and how excited you were about it. no doubt it was 2x cheaper than the m5si but overall i think the M5si's sound suits my tastes more and i HOPE that it is just that bit more future proof than the audiolab. so i guess im happy i listened to myself and my extensive research

[@litzy7892]

For me, doing the research on new equipment/products that I may consider purchasing is part of the hobby for me. There is always a new product and/or company that brings new options to us all and that is just fantastic! And remember, the only person who has to like your system is.....oh wait, that's someone else's line. But it is true.

[@thor_86]

Very nice video with a great point. My rabbit hole was different tho, I did not sell my sonos system and go on to buying more expensive things to save money, I did it to upgrade to something bigger and better, and ended up very happy, but the cost was 3 times more, and it's technically not atmos either, even tho that was not my need anyway. The rabbit hole will ultimately make you spend more regardless of your intent, I think.

[@AleksandarIlijevski]

Love the video. Great work guys! 😄

[@robinsonbrand]

Thank you.

[@frederickgay2104]

What has struck me the most over the last decade or so with the used market is the different price dynamics between the the upper and lower ends of the spectrum. My first receiver was my dad's old Technics SA-200, so I've probably kept better tabs on that particular line than any other. An SA-200 in good but unrestored shape used to be $25-50 (10-15 years ago), and is now $75-100. The upper end of that line (SA-1000) shocked me 15 years ago when a 25 year old receiver was going for ~$750, but now they're closing in on $5k.

[@carlkidd752]

From Crutchfield, I found a 5.0 system open box. Jamo S809 $420 versus 1000. The price break allowed me to buy the matching sub and just recently, S8 ATM dolby speakers. I finally was able to get the Denon X2700H. Still messing around with Heos, sigh. As far as I can tell, nothing wrong with any of my open box speakers. And a really nice sound upgrade. So, from a reputable retailer, buying open box shouldn't be an issue.

[@itsevenow6613]

Your talk about the used market made me realize just how good the used market is here in the Netherlands. It's a tiny country, meaning it's common practice to pick up in person and extensively check things out, "pick-up only" is the default, shipping something like speakers is super rare. I've bought a bunch of used gear for both myself and friends without any issues, but never had it shipped and always through a trusted second-hand site. Totally agreed about the other points though, I've recommended active speakers before because it's simpler and cheaper than getting all the gear separate.

[@markscott7583]

Great video about the human condition - regrettably it infects multiple hobbies (photo gear, skis, cycling… you name it). One other crucial aspect that most new people to the hobby don’t understand until they’re much deeper into buying gear is the importance of component pairing. Buying “all in one” solutions in many cases takes care of that work for you - so in the rare case people do find a cheaper alternative, the likelihood it will sound as good /better is slim to none. PS. Your Decware Zen Triode UFO 2 video and your words of how it paired so well with the Klipsch Forte prompted me to take the leap into low watt SET world - and I achieved the sweet tube/ Forte horn sound I was looking for. Also had the chance to talk with Steve Deckert who is a fine gentleman and a HiFi grandmaster. Thank you and Kristi for doing what you do so well.

[@MrDubyadee1]

I have three points to make: 1) before you can do comparisons you need to be exact as to your real (not imagined) requirements. The mistake I’ve made is buying the expensive solution to get features I didn’t use or appreciate. I tend to over buy so I need to make more of an effort to look at cheaper alternatives. 2) when a product does too many things it is more vulnerable to obsolescence. My old Technics turntable from 1979 still works well with my 2021 components. My 2019 TV with Arc but not eArc is a problem. I had to replace a great AVR when things moved from component connectors to HDMI. My external DAC keeps humming. It’s why we buy components instead of a giant piece of furniture that includes everything. Think about what things are quickly evolving and what isn’t. 3)the problem with buy used equipment is that solid state components only perform within spec for about 5 years. After that they begin to degrade. Components like conventional speakers depend less on soldered components on circuit boards but amplifiers made in the last 40 or 50 years are mostly that. Testing the product to insure it is still within spec is no guarantee. My body was great and then in my late 40’s it began a sudden and noticeable decline. Solid state electronics are like that which is one reason people pine for tubes.

[@leonard5980]

100% agree with your point on obsolescence with all-in-ones. I just made a very similar point in the comments before I read yours. Also, I totally feel and share your pain around eARC - my 2018 TV also lacks it. Couldn't get Atmos from my TV's apps to my AVR, an unplesant surprise. It's why I had to drop $200 on an Nvidia Shield (albeit that device has proven way more versatile, and useful beyond lossless audio than I ever imagined - retro gaming, the Android TV ecosystem, the ability to mostly control the basic features of my whole setup with the ergonomic, simple -and BACKLIT! - remote. All remotes should be backlit. Period. Anyway, I digress, good comment, thanks.

[@patrickwhalen4262]

I’m with you. I’m in the process of downsizing and moving into a smaller living space. I just want something that sounds good, is small & simple.

[@Celestialrob]

So much good sense in this video. It's strange how once you're seen as an audiophile or home theater expert, how many people want your advice. I'm fortunate to have two amazing systems in my home. One is a high end active stereo. The other is a large Atmos 4K dedicated home theater. I never recommend my equipment as my needs are never the same as people asking. Andrew and Kristi, your views are spot on. 99% of people need a balance between simplicity of operation, fit to the design of a room and quality. My systems are balanced differently to others. BTW your production quality is phenomenal. Love the smooth bokeh! You also need a tee shirt that says. "....what does Kristi think?"

[@scottstephen3905]

Amen!! But, we need more “smart ass” Andrew. LoL

[@robinsonbrand]

Appreciate you watching.

[@dougg1075]

I’ve bought the Wilsenton R8 and Heresy IVs off of reviews and loved both. Also IFI zen. All good.

[@michelfagan4891]

I totally agree on vintage components, I bought a nec authentic series aup-7000fe turntable for 9$ on an online bidding site and bought new needle and headshell now I'm at 200$. I just sent it out to get it restored and with shipping and service I'm probably looking at another 400$ could of gotten a pretty decent new turntable for that price 😆

[@jmx5s23]

I think the only time I tried buying the less expensive thing instead of the more expensive thing was when I bought the Audiolab 6000A Play, and it's been so good I don't remember what the expensive thing was! I'm a big fan of one box solutions like that - and I also bought a pair of Kanto YU4s for my desktop for the same reasons you mentioned the YU6s (and based on your review).

[@jean-francoisr6239]

Brilliant!! Love your sobering insights into the audio/AV community.

[@robinsonbrand]

Much appreciated!

[@MrWinnieP]

I bought the Sony HT-A9 thanks to your recommendation. I am comparing it to ceiling built in surround sound 7 channel whose price is well beyond the cost of the HT-A9. I actually PREFER the feeling if surround and clarity from the A9 system. I’m not an audiophile and wanted a great hassle free surround sound experience that was worth its relatively cost effective price and the A9 certainly is. Been using it for several days and it is fantastic with anything I throw at it, video games (console and pc), movies, streaming and music and I can finally watch something WITHOUT SUBTITLES, my god. Thank you for making that video because without it I would of just bought an inferior soundbar (like the Sonos

[@dentman67]

Great point. However I think you missed the biggest advantage those speakers offer. That's the fact that they used electronic X-overs. The sound improvement they offer along with an internal amp designed for those speakers gives them a massive advantage, sound wise. There's nothing that hurts cheap speakers more then budget built in passive X-overs.

[@thirdkey9]

I made that bad math mistake with IEMs and a fault with my projection and what I thought was “budget discipline”…..only to get what I really wanted and which was more expensive 6 months later. I also had some older audiophile guy tell me why I should stay away from some future - fi audio because it was over-rated and entry level….only to find that it was one of the best audio purchases made in years. Lesson learned.

[@revfogle]

Around 4-ish years ago (when I careened into my 60's) and I realized that I was spending 6 full days in the office, I decided that life is too short to put things off and I decided to build the (99% vintage) system I wish I could have afforded when I was in high school/college in the mid 1970's. Not counting the speakers (Evo 4.2's which basically doubled my financial outlay) and having some of the various equipment's power recapped, I've probably spent somewhere around the $1,500 mark. I love my setup and other than a bit of tweaking here and there (I just added a Geshelli DAC which is wonderful btw) I'm quite happy....AND I've learned enough during this journey that I've been able to do some small repairs as needed and also set up my great-nieces and nephews with their own stereo systems.

[@gregcrezee4071]

So enjoyable Andrew. Audiophiles, love that word. That's why electronics are the best. You will never, ever, get 2 people (not related) to agree on an ultimate hi-fi, home theater set up. Why? Cause every so called audiophile thinks they know more than others . Which they don't. Look, if their hearing was that much better than the rest of us humans. Why the hell are ya writing for a magazine? Music, along with life is ... all subjective!! The absolute best system you could ever buy? Get your favorite band to play live at your house every Saturday night for the next 10 years!!! That is audio at its best, period!!

[@kendyer1998]

I appreciate your review and the focus on "efficiency." I define this as highest sound quality, most flexibility, and reasonable cost.

[@brandonmachado4035]

My only saving grace is 95% of my gear is all deals I got at pawn shops lol. Got a paradigm ps-1000 sub for $90 (nothing wrong with it all besides a few scratches) and definitive tech bp-6b for around $130 if I remember. Had a bad ass vintage JVC receiver my dad gave me but it bit the dust after 20+ years.