Building a LGA 2011 Windows XP Retro Gaming PC

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[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

Nice to see the GTX960 doing spectacularly it in the best era of gaming.

[@philscomputerlab]

Hehe true :)

[@BastetFurry]

Best era is debatable, mine is more around the time of the heyday of the economy simulations like Fugger 2, great hotseat multiplayer game by the way, and Hanse Expedition or CRPGs like the World of Xeen. Who needs more than mode 13h anyway? ;)

[@asretropcsuk4103]

Phil. Great video. Makes me wonder if my i7 5930k with GTX 970 will be my next Windows XP project.

[@almightysosa8395]

@@asretropcsuk4103 The 970 isn't compatible with windows xp only the 960 is the highest gpu you can use in XP.

[@asretropcsuk4103]

@@almightysosa8395 I have both but I was under the impression a driver version could be hacked to.work

[@defo8811]

FEAR , DOOM III , Quake 4 and Tomb Raider Legend were eye candy on my 8800 gts x 1280x1024 high settings.

[@BetterCallBigShotAutos]

_tom raider_

[@Neksus-M06]

Gonna watch with pleasure. Here we have 15 cm of snow and not stopping.

[@davkdavk]

Meanwhile it's 35C here in Australia

[@Neksus-M06]

Was worth it. Now 20 cm + of snow. I'm measuring Phil's videos length in snow cms from now on :)

[@Neksus-M06]

@@davkdavk You are in dire need of air conditioning! We can trade °C! :)

[@davkdavk]

@@Neksus-M06 ha ha, for sure Mate. You should plumb your watercooler radiator outside

[@mapesdhs597]

@@davkdavk I talked to a guy in Sweden who did that, he was getting something crazy like 15C load temps on on an X79 setup way back. :D

[@Pantfula]

this type of videos makes me happy , i love lga 2011

[@lucasrem]

museum guy?

[@pierregrobbelaar9116]

I am busy setting up a dos gaming pc.It's a dual core amd 2.6ghz running win xp and using dos box for emulation.I grew up in dos era.I am having a blast.During the week my friend phoned me and we did an arcade gaming session with mame and retroarch.We had a blast.I forgot how much fun the old games are :)

[@Arti9m]

I believe some games are locked not to 60FPS, but to your monitor's refresh rate. Speaking of which, I remember having to use separate utilities for forcing certain refresh rates for CRTs for games, because when the game started not in desktop resolution, it would often use 60Hz despite CRT supporting up to 120Hz.

[@tha_nino]

Ha, great timing. This is basically my system, and I finally JUST upgraded to an SSD two days ago. Funny to see it called Retro now. I have the Sabertooth X79 board with 16Gb, and running at 3.6. I finally got tired of my original WD 7200 rpm Black drive, and put in a Nvme 970 Plus. Running it thru the second PciE expansion slot thru an add in card, as soon as I got the BIOS setup to boot to pcie, its a new machine. Only had two days to play with it now, but last benchmark I pulled had the new drive doing reads at 3450 mb/s compared to 270 on the old drive. I cant believe how instant everything is now. Since a full build is off the table now that I have this new old system, time to look at upgrading my original GTX670.

[@smoogles]

This "retro" pc is similar to my current system...

[@Reziac]

LOL, me too. Of course, by my age _I_ am retro....

[@lucasrem]

smoogles Most people never needed a new PC, only noobs still build intel systems, needing DX Windows. iPad is faster, not for everyone, guess these are the last days of PC now....

[@trashtronics1700]

@@lucasrem I pads are absolute trash compared to a modern system not to mention the company in itself if a stain on humanity

[@airmicrobe]

My every current single system is less than 550 ti gpu with i5 2400.

[@ryanmalin]

@@lucasrem lol calling intel fans noobs and then saying to buy apple 🤦‍♂️

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

7:00 999 FPS for 3DMark 2001? Practically unplayable!

[@inbox24]

It's literally unplayable...because it's a benchmark!

[@abooogeek]

Meanwhile....I had 1FPS on 3DMark2001 with an S3 Savage on-board with a P4 2.4Ghz on a VIA PM266 :p.

[@ruxandy]

@@inbox24 actually, it is playable - it also has a game demo mode :-)

[@ProDigit80]

I remember my old Intel AGP with 8MB of Vram did 20-25FPS, and only could keep up, because it couldn't render the rocket explosions correctly (they'd appear as bright rectangles). I then moved on to a Riva TNT 32 and that one had about 32fps, but displayed everything perfectly. I remember playing ONI at max settings, 800x600 pix for days! Was an awesome game!

[@meh78336]

I got lucky, picked up an Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe with a 3770K, 16GB 2133 ram and a Gigabyte 4GB 960 for £120. I had a cooler master Elite 130 ITX case, Corsair H80 120mm AIO cooler and 650W PSU along with a 500GB SSD and 2TB HDD spare and got a USB XFI card that supports the final version of EAX, and for less than it costs now for a Ryzen 5 3400G, I got a decent XP/W7 system to tinker with. I did fork out a bit more after though slim DVD drive and a 5.25 bay that would support a slim DVD and a 3.5" hot swap bay I bought 2 of by mistake for my 98 PC, looks nice though. Overclocks like a beast as well, all things considered, hits 5GHZ stable with no problems and runs cool after I delided it and put on some liquid metal. The real beauty of a machine like this though is that unlike my main PC, this is pretty much a set in stone machine now (well short of me chucking my 980ti in there when I give my brother in law my 1080ti), so I can tweak it to my hearts content and know I am getting the most out of it. Doubles as a nice HTPC and emulation station as well.

[@maxfactor4209]

I love the thermal pads for 3 reasons: convenience, performs as good as paste, and also it poops on those who take thermal paste application religiously.

[@armorgeddon]

Which brand makes good ones though?

[@zackpetrovic3029]

Wow, your videos have inspired me to build a XP machine, I have lying around Xeon X5470 and HD7950, I just need to work out what sound card I can use

[@lucasrem]

why you keep that old junk, XP, why you need that, running what?

[@virtualtools_3021]

@@lucasrem someone can't read video titles

[@middle_pickup]

This is really cool. I had no idea there were new motherboards being manufactured for old CPU's.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

It might be worth investigating the /3GB kernel switch to allocate more user space memory. This can also conflict with drivers, though. If you wanted to go really crazy you could try running Windows 2003 Datacenter, which supports Physical Address Extension that allows up to 64 GB memory usage on 32-bit systems via bankswitching.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

High speed Windows XP!!!! A Phil Fan Favourite!

[@rickylonghaul682]

I love seeing these old games tested. With big fancy games coming out these days, a lot of people forget about the old ones. There are so many old games that are still very fun to play. Oh, and if someone wants a gaming pc and can't afford to build one that'll play the latest games, chances are they can afford to build one that'll play last gen games or older. I got into computers again two or three years ago now by seeing how cheaply I could put together a system that could play games, even if they weren't new games. I settled on an i5 2400 system running Windows 7 and I bought a radeon hd 8490 for $13, so total system cost of about $75 and it could play XBOX 360/PS3-era games just fine. That machine really inspired me to build more systems that were pretty low-end. I found it entertaining to see just how cheaply I could build a machine that would still do what I wanted it to do.

[@SummonerArthur]

Agreed, ive just beaten quake iii and i havent had so much fun on a shooting game since... Idk LOL

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

That graphics card memory size and Sound blaster EAX make my R3 1300x retro gaming pc's XP VM jealous...

[@djuroue]

Great video, as always! As someone who started with Cyrix 233PR and S3 Virge and later Voodoo2 in same configuration, your videos are a pure refreshment for me!

[@NightSprinter]

I'd say Vista, just to stay close to not being too new, just be sure to install ALchemy for your X-Fi, so you can retain your EAX support. Mostly due to Vista and onwards killing hardware DSound3D hardware support. Also, Vista enables you to run games on DX10/11.

[@blai5e730]

I just built a _retro PC_ for my son (as a second machine) out of parts I had laying around. A Gigabyte GA-X58a-UD3R, i7-930, 12GB DDR3 Corsair @1333MHz & a Galax GTX 960 Super Overclocked.

[@lucasrem]

why you call old parts retro, this is not your wetdreams Voodoo build or anything museum noobs love.. he needs it for Fortnite, late commer?

[@blai5e730]

@@lucasrem - his normal PC setup is in the garage (long story but suffice to say he needs to be out there and not in the house) and the other day it was 40C... too hot . This is a PC he can use in the study for Diablo 2(?) I think. I have much older working parts (back to Celerons, Pentium 4's, Socket 939 AMD's, etc.) but the build I made can at least run reasonably.

[@whitebeartigtig]

this basically proves that my main computer can work with XP. EDIT: thanks for the heart and from further research I'll need modded drivers for my GTX 980 but that's all.

[@rickylonghaul682]

If you edit your comment, the heart goes away

[@whitebeartigtig]

@@rickylonghaul682 wut? that's new???

[@rickylonghaul682]

@@whitebeartigtig Nah it's been that way. I think it's in case you change the comment to something that would make the creator look bad for liking it.

[@whitebeartigtig]

@@rickylonghaul682 ah right got it.

[@russelrenznerosa8969]

Quite a trick I'm using for NFS Most Wanted 2005. Downloaded 16:9 fix and disable the in-game Visual Treatment and use Radeon Software to tweak the color temps and saturation. No other mods needed except for a 16:9 wide screen fix.

[@kadend2496]

Why do you disable two cores windows xp will take 4 cores and ht

[@Shagittarius]

XP doesn't have a core limit, it will take as many cores as you have. XP home only allow 1 CPU, Pro allows only 2 CPUs, but both will use as many cores as you have.

[@lucasrem]

@@Shagittarius only in they are on one socket, multiple sockets is only supported by corporate license, HP and all.

[@ElNeroDiablo]

Regarding the 3.5GB usable RAM of 32-bit Windows XP, I found using the patch provided by RetroSystemsRevival I can use up to 64GB of RAM (there's also a 128GB patch) on 32-bit XP (with PAE enabled and all) provided I'm using XP SP3 or USP4. I'm running a C2Q 9505 system with 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2, a 2GB GTX 760, 32-bit XP Pro USP4+64GB Patch and 64-bit W7 Pro, and the XP side of the system recognises all 4GB of SysRAM & 2GB of VRAM, whereas in the past I've been lucky for XP SP3 to read 2GB (2x1GB) SysRAM+1.75GB mixed-VRAM (1GB 9400GT, 512MB 7600GS, 256MB 8400GS) on a 775-based 3GHz P4 system. I have an i7-3770-powered system with 32GB (4x8GB) of DDR3 sitting around I previously tried to make in to a Hackintosh build that I'm planning on converting to a XP/7 gaming box - use Win7 to get the games on the system from GOG and such (at least for those don't have disc copies of), run them under XP (with USP4 & 64GB Patch), and use the Win7 side as a light video editing box for the gameplay recorded under XP.

[@charlieb308]

I have my gaming computer from 2011, Q6600 quad core, 8GB Ram, GTX 260 FTW in SLI...but I want to buy a GTX 295 since that was top GPU back in day

[@virtualtools_3021]

2x285 should be faster than 295, i think the 295 is basicly a dual underclocked 275 card

[@charlieb308]

@@virtualtools_3021 yes 2-285s would be sweet

[@e8root]

GTX 780 Ti is much better option for XP with official support from Nvidia (its almost 50% faster than GTX 960). Also if you go to 9xx series then 980Ti would be the best option and not lowly 960. It is possible to use these cards on newest XP driver 361.75 with some .inf modification

[@bozoc2572]

This should be named 'Installing windows xp on budget hardware'. 😅 System is better than the most of the computers out there... 😅

[@Reziac]

Haha, true. If I didn't already have two of this class, I'd be eyeing that board.. very similar to my Asus.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

@@Reziac Along the line of My 1300x retro gaming pc. Though it's 8gb of DDR4 2400mhz, sapphire Radeon HD 6450 (1gb model), and onboard sound (I'm hoping to find a Sound Baster Auditory card) for it some day

[@Reziac]

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz I don't do modern games so haven't bothered with that aspect, but... 32GB RAM in one, 64GB in the other (since I had it from an old server, why not) and whatever vidcard was handy. Makes for a nice fast everyday PC.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

@@Reziac Dang that's a lot of ram 😲

[@Reziac]

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz Server didn't need it anymore :D

[@antonelrotaru20]

I just ordered my GIGABYTE GTX 950 XTREME Gaming card yesterday and an ASUS GTX 960 DirectCU II Black OC, both with 2GB of video memory and close in performance (it doesn't hurt to have a spare, right?). In the first phase I will use them on my already existing system with Intel Core2Duo E6500 and 4GB DDR2 800 memory and I can't wait to see what the two video cards can do. But in the near future I plan to get a Core I7 2600k with a frequency of 3.4GHz/ 3.8 GHz BOOST with 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz and a Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3P-B3 motherboard. I understood that this motherboard also natively supports Windows XP. So yes, only good things happen!🤗

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes that board should support XP just fine, so the possibilities for retro gaming are huge 😊

[@flotfriedmeisenmann768]

For Doom3: seta r_aspectRatio "1" // set given number for specified screen display: "0" for 4:3; "1" for 16:9, "3" for 16:10. seta r_mode "-1" // leave this at "-1", which allows custom screen resolution. seta r_displayRefresh "60" // type in your monitor display refresh rate in Hz, as given by DXdiag "screen" section; info in brackets near the screen resolution part. seta r_customWidth "1920" // for best outcome, type in screen width matching the one your Windows desktop runs by default, as given by DXdiag "screen" section. seta r_customHeight "1080" // for best outcome, type in screen height matching the one your Windows desktop runs by default, as given by DXdiag "screen" section.

[@Adam130694]

I would love to see 3-5 minutes long video about games with RTX... no no no, with EAX on and off.

[@ironhead2008]

Another possibility as to "who is this for" : A "Jack of All Trades" build that can run both XP and modern Windows games adequately. Run a separate video card for each and a Sound Card in the bottom slot and you're good.

[@Reziac]

Indeed... I have a couple similar LGA2011 PCs, and I have XP64 through Win10 on removable HDs, plus a couple species of linux. XP64 is notably more stable than Win7.

[@ironhead2008]

I'm actually planning something similar with an X58 based build: The specs are a Xeon X-5675 (OC'd of course), Rampage 3 Gene, Sapphire Toxic Edition R9-280X (I suspect it's unofficially supported by the latest XP drivers, it is a HD-7970 just with a quick rebrand), it's still quite adequate for most titles at low to medium settings, 24 GB of G.Skill Ares DDR3-2400 in triple channel (for best OC potential), Sound Blaster X-Fi PCI, and an Asus Wifi card. Plans are to have my game library on a 2 GB Firecuda drive along with my old Windows 10 install from a laptop. XP (maybe 64, maybe 32, haven't decided) will be in a 120 GB OEM Samsung SSD and Linux will be in a 64 GB Rocketfish SSD. PSU is a 650 watt 80+ Gold Seasonic semimodular unit.

[@Reziac]

@@ironhead2008 One of the peculiar things I discovered is that while XP64 has a good NVMe driver, and that drive works fine -- Win7 threw up all over the place and refused to have anything to do with it!

[@ironhead2008]

@@Reziac weird. It may be due to XP treating everything like a standard platter hdd (bad for longevity because no trim) and windows 7 having baked in support for SSDs, but not having any awareness of anything else. It could also be a BIOS to OS interface issue.

[@Reziac]

@@ironhead2008 Modern SSDs normally do their own trim now. The problem was the driver itself. XP64 said okay, Storport patch, driver, hardware, instantly worked. Win7 vomited back the driver (tho it's supposed to be for Win7) and spit up BSOD error messages I've never seen before, then went into automated recovery all by itself. After a couple reboots it was back to working, but I don't think we'll try that again...

[@MarcWeavers]

before watching: this seems a bit overkill.

[@MarcWeavers]

@@wowitsshit9734 yeah i do miss those days, but defo a better platform for winXP than lga2011

[@MarcWeavers]

@@wowitsshit9734 i have a dedicated socket 478 win XP machine stored at a friends house, old hardware, more compatible for the games id be playing

[@larsjj2794]

It's not about whether you should...

[@Teksers]

I see PhilsComputerLab video, I like before watching the video :D.

[@trash_miner]

Always!

[@MrLachgas]

Nice tutorial for a windows xp gaming pc. Some weeks ago I bought a GTX 960 2 GB for about 40 USD for a similar gaming performance under windows xp. But Im using my good old AMD Phenom II X6 overclocked to 3,8 GHz. The benchmark results are nearly the same like at your system. But I had problems in the beginning with the ssd ahci driver, while installing windows xp. Im using the cpu on a Gigabyte 990FX Mainboard. That system is also running windows 10 on a different ssd very well.

[@Shagittarius]

Windows XP does not have a core limit. Why would you disables cores in XP? XP uses as many cores as you have.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

I might be wrong here but I'm positive I read something from Microsoft themselves XP is limited to 4 cores...

[@Shagittarius]

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz You are mistaken, the only limit XP has is 2 physical processor sockets. It will use as many cores as you have.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

@@Shagittarius Google appears to agree. Though the XP wiki page I was reading says Home edition was limited to a single physical processor.

[@philscomputerlab]

I never claimed XP to have a core limit, maybe you misunderstood me :) In the context of XP era games, I see no need for more than 2 cores, that's why I disable them. A highly clocked dual core CPU is all you need. Do you feel some games will perform better with more than 2 cores? I can look into that in future videos...

[@Shagittarius]

@@philscomputerlab Thanks for clarifying Phil, I think there were some of us who were mistaken about what you said. I think in the case where you are not overclocking the additional cores, the snappiness of the OS would benefit without hurting gaming framerates, I would be interested to see the results from this same machine under those circumstances but you would know if that would be of interest to the rest of your viewers or not.

[@darkenmdm]

next time do retro PC with chinese X99 and 16GB RAM, love your videos 😍😍😍

[@evilpablo84]

Phil your movies are simply perfect! The best retro builds on the internet - like really!

[@roksgames]

My main PC still has i5 and GTX 970, 24GB DDR3, SB Audigy 2 ZS with Dual boot between Windows 10 and Windows XP both work great. No need to update

[@lucasrem]

your main wife is on iPad?

[@Mini-z1994]

Hey phil, you should try seeing if you can get the windows xp PAE patch installed, should let you use higher amounts of ram for sure, think people have tried up too 64 gb ram, Mentioned it in a comment previously, do backup the drive so you got a point too reverse the pae patch a bit more cleanly. I'd keep it as a quad core though, Nvidia drivers helps a bit with spreading the cpu load so worth keeping it on.

[@Reziac]

Thanks for the reminder. Been going to try that patch myself on the old box. On semi-modern hardware, when XP clogs up it's usually due to running out of RAM, and swapfile is just too slow.

[@sburton015]

Seems to work well for Windows XP, but I think Windows Vista Ultimate may be more ideal for that PC for retro.

[@philscomputerlab]

We can do a Vista build next :D

[@sburton015]

@@philscomputerlab I remember those days of using Vista in 2007 and 2008 and sitting back and watching people making fun of Windows Vista about how it ran while I didn't have much problems with it myself. :))

[@philscomputerlab]

@@sburton015 Vista will get some love soon :D

[@sburton015]

@@philscomputerlab that's good, by following the instructions of another youtuber Michael MJD, I was actually able to get Windows 10 that I have on a laptop to look and feel like Windows Vista even with the sidebar gadgets. To me what would really be retro is using Windows 95 in 2020.

[@silviocesarsilvaoliveira]

how cool the video phil, congratulations !!! I would like to see you making retrogaming videos on linux, I really like linux and the operating systems that were inspired or even based on the original unix, so if possible I would like to see some of these contents on your channel!!!!!

[@philscomputerlab]

I know nothing about Linux! The video would not turn out well and will likely upset the Linux fans because I don't know what I'm doing :)

[@Reziac]

@@philscomputerlab Well then, it'd be an adventure :) I like PCLinuxOS with KDE-Plasma desktop; it's been gradually replacing Windows on my newer boxen, because I can't stand Win10. And it's pretty much five minute install and everything works.

[@silviocesarsilvaoliveira]

@@Reziac PCLinuxOS is cool but in general usability I still prefer Xubuntu for games and everyday tasks.

[@Reziac]

@@silviocesarsilvaoliveira For me, Xfce is too limiting, and I've never liked the Buntu family. I've been messing with linux since RedHat6, but the first linux I really liked was Mandrake 7.2, and since then have found I always prefer Mandrake descendants. PCLinuxOS is perhaps Mandrake's nearest successor in terms of ease of use and Everything Just Works, it's extremely stable, and it's a lot less buggy than Mageia. Also, it's a rolling distro, which I like because reinstalling is against my religion. :D Even tho a full install takes less than 5 minutes! Te each his own... there are folks who adore Win10. Heads, examination room, thataway!

[@Neksus-M06]

I have an I7-3820 (almost same as this xeon), LGA2011 socket. I never thought I could use Xp on it but I'll give it a go to have fun. I installed 32gb of 1600mhz ddr3 and the quad channel gives a nice boost.

[@thecondor9744]

Probabily the GTX 960 is overpriced for the XP compatibility but, in those older games, its a beast! Anyway someone in the comments already asked you about why you disable the cores in XP. Can you make a video about how XP perform with 2 and 4 cores ( or even more cores. Maybe with and without HT ) ? Thank you in advance :) P.S. After your video about the GTX 285 i searched one for a good price. A few days ago i bought one! Cant wait to test it

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea maybe I can look at that. I've always gone with a dual core for XP builds.

[@chireaionut8473]

when you revisit the overclocking bug try the CPU with all hands and legs... whould ne nice to see the diffrence with HP on/off and with 6 vs 2 cores.

[@Reziac]

Indeed, I had the same question. I've found XP performs much better on a 2.6GHz quad core than it does on a 3.2GHz dual core... not only generally faster but clogs up the CPU far less often .. on otherwise -identical PCs.

[@kieferrush6818]

I may be weird but I'd like to see the LGA 2011 running Linux Distros focus on reviving old pc hardware. Distros like MX Linux, PsychOS and Linux Lite, specifically. Just a thought... From an admitted weirdo.

[@lucasrem]

Why you need Unix, what is it you run on Unix?

[@SummonerArthur]

Idk... These kinda arent old enought to actually *need* a linux install *IMHO*

[@kieferrush6818]

@@SummonerArthur I agree that this isn't old enough to NEED linux but IMO, it has enough older legacy hardware to make for a fun linux experiment. Not be confused woth the YT channel of the same name.

[@kieferrush6818]

@@lucasrem Not that it NEEDS Unix. Someone familiar with Unix or with what remains of the Unix "bloodline" in Linux could probably have some fun, though.

[@SummonerArthur]

@@kieferrush6818 oh, got it. Then it would make a nice experimental machine then.

[@drPeidos]

Hi Phil. Thank you for the feedback on the thermal pad. I remember when you started using them, it was a long time ago. Can you tell me where you buy them and what brand and model? Also, how many times do you use the same thermal pad before having to change? Final question, do you recommend using thermal pads on long term builds, or just for testing components? In the future, if you can, you could make a video with the comparison between temperatures. Thank you.

[@philscomputerlab]

I bought them Amazon, Innovation Cooling is the brand. They are great for long-term, as they will work consistently and not turn hard and brittle like paste.

[@drPeidos]

@@philscomputerlab Thank you Phil :) I hate having to mess with thermal paste.

[@JuanGonzalez-hv6vs]

Beautiful motherboard.

[@unknownsoldier4156]

*Laughs in Windows XP x64 Professional*

[@GTFour]

I really miss X-FI EAX :(

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Phil, I have always wanted an EVGA PC, so after looking at parts I decided to do a Retro XP EVGA Build, I have now got i5-2500K/i7-2700K, EVGA Z68SLI Micro, 2x 2GB@1333 TeamGroup Elite, EVGA GTX780Ti SC with EK waterblock, it cost me about $250AUD all up, I also got an EVGA 400W PSU when buying some other used parts but the PC easily gets over 300W, so will look for 500-600W later, so far the CPU/MB/RAM combo has been on my test bench testing other GPUs I have bought to upgrade PC for other people, but hope to get a Retro looking case to build it into 'MEGA XP PC' soon, but will probably wait till next year when Case prices get back to 'normal'

[@SleakaJ]

GPU scaling still exists in the nVidia drivers on my Retro Gaming PC using an nVidia card in Windows 10 (it dual boots XP and 10) and while I'm not using the latest drivers as of right now, they were the latest drivers when I installed Win10 a month ago. It's a GTX750Ti using version 456.71 and I can select "Aspect ratio" scaling and "Perform scaling on GPU" on a 19" ASUS 1650x1050 monitor, if I plug the same system into a 23" ASUS 1920x1080 monitor, the GPU scaling option disappears in the drivers but it still works as long as I don't change anything else. Plugging it back into the older 19" and the option reappears. Something you might want to look into as I've heard you say it no longer exists on the latest drivers several times.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea in Windows 10 it works, but not XP.

[@Agoz8375]

I use a Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 for my Windows XP Retro pc. It is one of the best video card

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

That's the card in my retro gaming pc though it's running 7 with XP VM

[@BrianMartin2007]

You should install the PAE Kernel patch to enable more memory up to 128GB

[@FlyingDutchman19801]

Another thing: I'm a sucker for small desktop-style cases, and fortunately there are video cards in low-profile format that perform brilliantly with windows XP games (for instance the GTX 750 Ti low profile that I happen to own), but I haven't had any luck sourcing an X-Fi/EAX compatible card in low profile. The Creative XtremeGamer exists in low-profile version, but Creative does not appear to have shipped it with a low-profile bracket! At least I've never been able to find one.

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm, no LP bracket? Yea people thrown them out, but they do exist. I've seen later cards also, like the Audigy FX. As an alternative, consider USB sound cards, X-Fi has a few options here.

[@simonverdinek7803]

you have to enable all cores and HT for OC to work on this board

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm I did try this actually, even did a CMOS clear. Not sure why it didn't want to corporate.

[@lucasrem]

@@philscomputerlab x79G, that's a cloned chipset i guess, Intel 6000

[@pheapkim978]

Need for speed most wanted was the greatest for its time even on GameCube it was decent

[@Nenemon]

Hold shift after selecting a building in supreme commander to place multiple in a build queue. Saved me a lot of time and makes the game experience much better 😁

[@philscomputerlab]

Thank you! It shows that I don't really play games anymore LOL

[@ota024]

I watched this video on Windows XP :D of course at 480p with some drop frames, using an outdated Google Chrome, on a 19 inch 1280x1024 LCD monitor.

[@airmicrobe]

We don't need 960 for XP, do we? Thanks man for the opinion as to MW. Here is so nice place because it is free to say what we like to. I even do not enjoy to play NFS underground. I do enjoy NFS HP 2 nowadays! Post script: I do like MW now. I saw a video recommending the game as his best nfs games. Plus I found an interesting fact that GTX 950 is GTX 750 Maxwell 2.0. The GTX 750 was planned to receive Maxwell 2.0 treatment in producing procedure and then only reference card not as normal distribution to the consumers. It became totally different name GTX 950.l read an article from Reddit.

[@lucasrem]

Who you call we here?

[@airmicrobe]

@@lucasrem agro?

[@RediscoveringRetro]

Huh. I did NOT know boards of this ilk supported XP! My main rig is still an ASRock extreme4 gen3 with an i5-2500k and a Twin Frozr 6950. Just looked up the drivers and sweet! I know what I'll be doing very soon! Thanks Phil.

[@kollectormairu6881]

THIS IS BETTER THAN MY MAIN PC

[@CornBreadMan264]

Any chance that the 9 series (H97/Z97) would work with XP?

[@nigelhill74]

Wow, I love the lime green accents on this board!!!

[@5thaltaccount547]

Dang! I wonder if you could use a Dual LGA 2011 board like a Huananzhi Dual board. You could possibly build the fastest Windows XP machine of all time! 16 cores and 32 threads, 8 cores per CPU. Even better, I think there’s some 10 cores out there. I have an old Xeon that I used for my first LGA2011 build just as a test CPU to ensure that board works. That is a quad core without hyper threading, might get a low cost LGA2011 board and make a WinXP machine!

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea it should work just fine :)

[@khachaturian100]

Phil, can you please do Quake3 1.32c 1600x1200x32 in future videos? Max out all the details in the game, then run timedemo 1 in the console, then click demos in the menu, and then pick the single demo and press play. This should give a better result that you can use to compare across platforms, because it is not capped by the CPU as easy as the other games are in your test suite.

[@armorgeddon]

Xonotic would be great for that, too.

[@micahottaway8455]

Looks like the system was total overkill for XP gaming, but hey a lot of x79 parts can be found for very reasonable prices so why not? I will say that these chinese motherboards have sketchy overclocking ability at best, and that earlier brand name motherboards for that platform are expensive on the used market. However, even without overclocking a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge CPU Xeons can be found for very cheap and offer much performance for value.

[@fractitos]

You should get a Biostar H61MHV2. They are still being made and have windows Xp drivers

[@SvDKILLSWITCH]

Just something I noticed - you mentioned using a FreeSync or G-Sync monitor to smooth out the framerate variations in some games. I believe both technologies were introduced in 2015, and to my knowledge neither AMD nor NVIDIA released drivers for Windows XP that are compatible with either technology. If someone knows how to get either FreeSync or G-Sync working on Windows XP though, I'd be interested to know more. From what I can tell, AMD stopped providing Windows XP drivers in 2014 for the three GPUs that support both FreeSync and Windows XP - the HD 7790, and the R7 260 and 260X. On the NVIDIA side, I'm pretty sure G-Sync required at least Windows 7 or above, despite driver 368.81 being compatible with a plethora of hardware that would otherwise support G-Sync on a newer version of Windows.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes I should have explained that a bit better. Use a frame limiter instead of v-sync. So lock in 140 Hz with a frame limitter, and because the machine is so powerful, it will run at 140 FPS locked, giving you consistent frame pacing and better input lag. Having said that, v-sync at 144 Hz is also very nice.

[@Schule04]

I don't think disabling cores and HT is a good idea. You lose usable CPU cache if you do that, and XP would have handled the CPU just fine even with all cores active

[@philscomputerlab]

Might be something to benchmark in the future, see if there is a difference :)

[@matthewday7565]

All cores, perhaps, but pretty sure the scheduler in XP doesn't understand the the difference between HT threads and cores

[@monotoneone]

The cache is actually shared between all cores (and the GPU) so you wont loose performance. Some games do utilize two cores so having more for windows background tasks might help a bit.

[@rama2967]

This my dream Pc 2011 🤔 and now. I have Ryzen 3600x 🤭

[@nosirrahx]

980 absolutely works on XP with hacked drivers and the hack is a simple edit of .inf file. I have one in my retro XP system.

[@pfernando27]

I have a 780ti paired with an amd 8350 on my "retro pc", I also have a 980ti but honestly with steam not working anymore on windows xp, and not being able to download a lot of the newer dx9 games with drm or steamworks, I don't see a point in using anything more powerful.

[@nosirrahx]

@@pfernando27 A maximum performance retro XP system makes a decent Windows 7 system. You cam cover quite a huge range of games and functionality with a system like this.

[@pfernando27]

@@nosirrahx yeah but my retro pc is right next to my current pc, R7 2700x with 2080ti I snagged for 400$ from a panic seller. I mostly hesitate to dual boot on any retro pc bc I actually want to use the windows xp os, browsing the internet or watching media on it or using whatever old software I can still use.

[@Reziac]

@@pfernando27 I stopped dual booting a long time ago. Nowadays I use a removable drive bay (I like iStarUSA units) and a stack of cheap used HDs.

[@virtualtools_3021]

@@nosirrahx hell a 980 + a fast 6 core xeon makes a decent MODERN system, let alone a 7 or xp one XD

[@kirbyswarp]

Most wanted is one of the best racing games of all time. But as for the frame rate, it seems to get stuck at 101-103 fps whether on intel hd graphics on a laptop or on an i7 7700k with any graphics settings. It also feels choppy. Just lock it to 60 and it feels smoother. Unfortunate because underground 2 and nfs Carbon both run at high refresh rates.

[@northof-62]

Thx for the presentation. It was somewhat helpful with my own project (an LGA 775 build, Asus Maximus II Formula). As I understand XP has problems with SATA, PCI-express , RAID etc. I'll look into the easy2boot software. But I probably have to look elswhere for a more detailed and longer video about the installation on all this 'new to XP stuff'. Maybe the XP SP3 ver. has more support.

[@philscomputerlab]

The board uses ICH10R and Easy2Boot has all those AHCI SATA F6 drivers integrated. It saves you from manually sourcing them.

[@northof-62]

@@philscomputerlab thx great stuff!

[@JorgeCarvalho_web_dev]

Why we are seeing the video backwards for some time? The computer is being disassemble instead of being assembled?

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea I take it apart and film that :)

[@grognours69]

@ PhilsComputerLab Great video as always. Do you have the link to those thermal pads plz ?

[@philscomputerlab]

I use this one and it comes in 30x30 and 40x40 size: www.amazon.com.au/Innovation-Cooling-Graphite-Thermal-Pad/dp/B07CK9SHZG

[@Reziac]

@@philscomputerlab For those of us in America, just peel the .au out of the link and it still works.

[@ProDigit80]

I think a GT1060 will be the latest GPU that runs on that platform. I would also enable 4 cores instead, since some games do take more than 2 cores, and for games that only use 2 CPU cores, it's always better to have Windows background tasks (like read/write to RAM/SSD done via a third core, allowing 2 full cores, being fully available for the game). Win XP pro can take up to 32 cores 64 threads; I believe the extension was added with the longhorn (Vista alpha) upgrade. If not, there are ways to overclock the CPU. I'm sure there must be CPUs with higher frequencies. Would be nice to find some old WIndows 98/95 games that include benchmarks (like MDK and MDK2, and more)... You can also increase the FSB a lot easier than on newer boards, like my new Ryzen and Intel boards start erroring once the FSB hits over 101 or 101.5Mhz, but on those old boards you could run the FSB at 133Mhz without having the GPU crash (in some case scenarios), resulting in ~25-30% increase in CPU speed.

[@dilmichaelrico2153]

QUE TAL BUENAS........COOL.....RETRO PC.....IT'S THE BEST.....

[@abymohanan2043]

Thank you so much for this video 👍🏻👌🏻✌🏻

[@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862]

Ngl I'd love if the Chinese made some slightly more advanced motherboards allowing for over locking purposes. Heck. Maybe I wil look into designing and maybe manufacturing my own motherboards that have components allowing over locking

[@arthur_shuaev]

the most powerful graphics cards with support for windows xp, 780 ti and titan gtx

[@danijelujcic8644]

I've already managed to get WoA running on my Lumia 950 XL, now I'm considering Windows XP in emulated virtual thingy on top of that WoA ...

[@Matt08719801]

i know dungeon siege III has better direct x features etc in windows vista and later but it will run in windows xp and it DOES require 4 cores to run smooth , so i never disable cores on windows xp rigs, i may avoid hyperthreading quad cores but i keep a solid 4 cores running for those extremely late games that will run on windows xp

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

Oh also, why about a dual CPU setup? Lol I have some paired via a 3,1 Mac Pro (had about 4-6 of them) and may be able to get that board or another board running. Been wondering about XP or even 9x...

[@PeachIceCreamy]

I’m genuinely curious, how are you so confident holding the CPU by the pads?

[@DefiantCerberos]

If you want to use all installed RAM, try this patch: rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4694409 It enables PAE support.

[@takuminightcore1886]

Why didn’t you use the windows XP 64-bit you would’ve been able to get more ram out of it

[@O.Shawabkeh]

Oh, World in Conflict!, that was a game I enjoyed thoroughly

[@janwitkowsky8787]

I kinda wonder how it'd look with GTX 780ti. Given that it is XP compatible and quite a bit more powerful than the 960.

[@janwitkowsky8787]

Or GTX Titan or Titan Black for that matter.

[@bellpepper3235]

Phil ! How to make cheapest personal super computer for .. 1. Data mining 2. AI ML DL research 3. Algorithm mining 4. Blockchain All in one personal super computer

[@indimopi]

Silky Smooth XP Compatibility

[@piecaruso97]

Some people also got windows xp working on the intel 7th series desktop cpus, i think those are really the fastest windows xp machines around

[@Reziac]

Really? any recommendations for motherboards? I still prefer XP or XP64 for everyday...

[@piecaruso97]

@@Reziac I don't have any info about that, i just saw some overclockers doing it to achive some oc reacords for some benchmarks

[@lucasrem]

7th? i7?

[@piecaruso97]

@@lucasrem yes, the i7 7700k

[@JustinTheJT]

Only part crappy part about XP is that the are so vulnerable. And Steam is no longer supported :(. I have hundreds of games that are XP compatible and can't run them because of that. I would have to repurchase them on GOG in order to get them working.

[@kevinvanneste2500]

I was thinking of g3258 oc with a gtx 960 for a xp build.

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

1600x1200? Why not 1024x768? Wasn't 1600x1200 a much higher end resolution or are you assuming a 1080p display with a 4:3 aspect/in a window? I know for me I'd use a CRT or a 4:3 LCD for a build like this since they are free/cheap even around the world lol

[@philscomputerlab]

1600x1200 to have something more challenging for the the graphics card. If you like that resolution, get a 1920x1200 monitor :)

[@mapesdhs597]

The Plex HD board is a great mbd. I fitted mine with an 8c 2650 v2, 32GB/1866 RAM, works very well. The 1620 is probably better for gaming, but for content creation and still decent gaming the 2650 v2 (with higher IPC) is excellent. Hillarious that the Plex HD comes with POST debug LED and power/reset buttons, yet a great many modern & far more costly normal mbds do not (Asrock showed with its old P55 Extreme that these basics are very cheap to include, so their exclusion on modern mbds is infuriating penny pinching). I did try WinXP 64bit once, it ran ok, not too many issues.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea the power button saves me from connecting a front panel button :D

[@mapesdhs597]

@@philscomputerlab Yup! A good example of this stingy mbd design is Asrock's X470 Taichi; it clearly has the spots for the buttons, but they're missing. They are included on the Taichi Ultimate, even though the main advertised difference between the two is the latter has onboard 10GigE. Yet the Taichi is a 200 UKP board, but no buttons. It's nuts. Contrast this as I say to the old P55 Extreme, an excellent board which was only about 60 UKP, but it has the debug LED and both buttons: www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/P55%20Extreme/ I watched a Buildzoid video in which he showed how much of the circuitry on all mbds is carried on from one design generation to the next, in many cases very little is actually changed. He talked about RAM circuitry inparticular having not been updated on many SKUs for a great many years. These Ali boards prove that standard mbds could be a lot better than they are, yet we have lunacy like the Zenith II Extreme TRX40 which is 900 UKP. :D For that kind of price the mbd had better come with massage robot arms and an Earl Grey hot cuppa dispenser.

[@st-gelaisrene3287]

I would like a video comparing the gtx960 to the 270, 270x or 7870. Too, maybe you could compare the intel platforms to the AMD 945, 955, 1055t, or 1090t. Even the amd fx line can run XP. I would like to see, if it is feasible, the task manager on a second screen to confirm you use and need only 2 cores instead of 4 or 6 on the Intel and AMD platforms in XP. Comparison of multithreading and without multithreading could be nice. When using the HDMI output in XP on a TV, does the sounds works or is problematic form game to game? On a 1080p TV or monitor, what resolution do you recommend? Great channel.

[@philscomputerlab]

I tend to use analogue sound card, but AFIAK the 960 has HDMI audio.

[@majorpayne0195]

Phil, any plan to create a video of a XP retro machine using the HD 7970, the most powerful AMD card that has official Windows XP driver?

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm I'm not sure I have that card!

[@eboethrasher]

*Looks at main desktop PC, a, i7-3770k with 32gb of RAM and a GTX-970 and has a sad after seeing the retro tag on this video. At least I've got Windows 7 on it?*

[@spazjackrabbit61]

If you turn on Light Trails and Motion Blur in NFS Underground, it will glitches the magazine covers, as you only get black backgrounds in magazine covers due to a rendering bug in the game.

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks for sharing, I wasn't aware of this issue.

[@SummonerArthur]

Great, im on race 107 and i just found that out. I always thought that that was how it was meant to be LOL

[@ronguin7062]

watching this on an e3-1260l dont turn your nose up to these old xeons just yet.