BUILDING CUSTOM DRUM HOOPS: The "HELMISH" SNARE, Pt. 3

[@geoffcowan2384]

Not sure if I'll ever build a hoop, but there were some inovative jigs there that I will definitely steal! Thanks for sharing!

[@jasonwest3283]

Helps reinforce to me the idea of having a moisture meter when making fine instruments and furniture. I always learn so much from your videos. Love the jigs.

[@EarthtonesCymbals]

It's cool that there are people like you in the world. Good work.

[@EarthtonesCymbals]

Living and learning. You did good! Best wishes always! ♫♪♫

[@leeasbury7273]

I love wooden hoops, especially on snares. I'd love to try one of these. 👍 great job

[@jross3680]

Love this. Awesome man. Im building ply drums and have been looking of this. Well done!

[@evrencangündüz]

Thank you for the video

[@jashton8710]

If you didn't mention the slight imperfections, I don't think anyone would have noticed. Great build, the end product looks awesome. I'm going to give this a go, but do one thing different. For the outside milling, I will cut two plywood circles that will fit inside the shell, with the centres drilled out for the mandrel. This should keep the shell turning true.

[@buzzmode83]

I like how you milled out the inside of the hoop. It’s simple and it looks like it does a pretty good job.

[@cajunstump]

Mistakes and all, man... that's damn fine work. I like the idea of making the shell free floating as opposed to trying it all together with lugs. Might do that with my herringbone snare.

[@jdpdrums103]

Amazing work man !

[@dadygee]

You need to get a dust collector mate! planing to (start) build my first drum this weekend. :) Thanks for the inspiration!

[@lorenzkager]

Beautiful snaredrum

[@zaenalarifin-fw1nf]

Generous Man. 👍

[@candidomendoza360]

Nice job.

[@miketish4]

You should switch to Evans heads, their hoops always fit the shells so much better. I’ve had shells that I thought weren’t evenly round and when I put an Evans head on I realized the shell was fine and the hoop was not even. Evans 360 sit perfectly flat on the shelf as well before and during the tuning process.

[@TocandoBateriadoZero]

Hello I'm from Brazil. And I watched his video about building a Wood Hoop to snare. I would like to know what size of the segments I need to cut to form the perfect circle? sorry for my english...

[@JosephCenter]

Good morning! Thanks for the comment. :) Your question is complicated, but the answer to your question is simple: it depends! The best way to figure out the size of segments you need is on a website that I use: uniontownlabs.org/tools/stave/ Enter the information that you have on the wood you're using and adjust according to how many segments you want or are limited to. The website does the rest, calculating angles and everything. Let me know if it works for you!

[@jeromeoliver2487]

Ur hoops is great for my ropes but I prefer standard screw down ones.

[@elijahfaith7480]

Wow awesome job! I just purchased a birch yamaha drum set and I bought wood hoops for the 10, 12, 14 and 16..i have an 18 inch floor tom that needs some hoops but are very hard to find or if they even make that size! I wish you could make some for me or tell me ( if its possible) if you know a place where I might buy some ..i would greatly greatly appreciate it! That's all I lack to finish my dream drumset😊🇨🇱🥁

[@JosephCenter]

Hey, Elijah -- There are lots of companies that make wood hoops. Yamaha makes some beautiful ones. The easiest place to get them, though, is drumfactorydirect.com. I'm not sure if they ship internationally if you're not in the US.

[@elijahfaith7480]

@@JosephCenter awesome! Wow great site..never new about this one!😁 thanks a bunch!😁👍

[@annadenaro9919]

After sanding and before the beeswax, what did you put on the hoop?

[@luizclaudiozimmermann867]

Hello. I'm from Brazil and I'm starting to manufacture drums. Would you like to know what is the size of your wood blocks to make the wood hoops? I'm sorry my bad english is that i use google translate. I don't speak English but I find your work amazing. Could you give me some tips for me to do here in my workshop? I appreciate it. 🇧🇷🥁🇧🇷

[@ogroth]

Are the hoops holding up?.. i dont have that much confidence gluing endgrain like that..

[@JosephCenter]

No idea! :) This drum went off to a buyer long ago, and I've never heard back from him. I'm not too worried about the glue holding up for a couple of reasons: (1) The hard maple on top has a very tight grain, so I doubt that much of the glue absorbed into the end grain to starve the joint. (2) More importantly, the real strength is coming not from the end-grain joints, but from the two layers of wood working together, with the segments all offset one layer to the next.

[@Livingreciever]

im trying to figure out how to make a circle with lots of rectangles wood pieces, any idea what angles? you used 10 pieces? how would i find the correct angles?

[@JosephCenter]

Here's the formula, based on 360 degrees in a circle: 360 divided by the number of pieces in the circle, and then divide that number by 2 (because each piece has two sides). So, if you want to do ten pieces in the circle: 360 divided by 10 = 36. 36 divided by 2 = 18. Each piece will have an 18 degree cut on each side. Or you can use this website, which I use for every drum, just to make sure I don't screw up: uniontownlabs.org/tools/stave/

[@theriphraff]

Good ish bro! I'd like to do something like this

[@JosephCenter]

Thanks!

[@lars.schallenberg]

Hello Joseph! How thick is your hoop when you have those 2 parts glued together (at 2:55 min)?

[@JosephCenter]

Oh, man! I don't remember! It's been a long time. :) I don't make a lot of hoops, but the most recent set I did was two layers of red oak that was just shy of 1" before shaping. I wasn't worried about being particularly low profile on those, but I'd be comfortable with most domestic hardwoods to go down to about 3/4" total thickness.

[@steppingselfeater]

Hey Jo, what wood do you used? How old and what damp? Its important for make shells? I think so :) and what glue do you used. thanx so much for your answers and have i nice day. Hubas

[@JosephCenter]

These hoops are maple and sweet gum. The sweet gum started pretty green, but I dried them in my microwave (yes, the microwave). The maple was already very old. I use Gorilla brand wood glue.

[@steppingselfeater]

Microwave??ooooh godddd :-D and every shells working great? :) tell me where do you buy exotic wood? or if you have experience with some company in Europe? thanx so much...Hubas

[@JosephCenter]

I get wood from a variety of sources. I've used Ebay, offcuts for sale at lumber yards, clients have sent me wood directly.... I haven't purchased any wood directly from a supplier in Europe, and really wouldn't do so, because the shipping would be so much more. Good luck!

[@patrickmallet8178]

Superb achievement I would like to know the no computer software thank you regards

[@JosephCenter]

Correct: no computers involved. :)

[@jross3680]

You're getting tear out because you are milling in the wrong direction. You should be climb milling. This will avoid tearout completely. I learned that the hard way too! lol.

[@carlosrungedrumms5935]

Que le dio de grosor al aro me gustaria saber

[@glennparker8247]

what glue do you use?

[@JosephCenter]

I've been using Gorilla wood glue, because it wa cheap at Walmart, but I need to give Titebond a try.

[@glennparker8247]

Joseph Center thanks for the reply:)

[@JoseHernandez-yz5bw]

Glenn Parker

[@dye182]

Now take all the saw dust and build a shell lol it would be super cool

[@JosephCenter]

That would be cool!

[@tonewoodhandcraft]

Ottimo Lavoro +++

[@paulonunesdaluz3842]

Eu duvido voce me mandar uma caixa dessa pra mim aqui no Brasil de presente !!! KK

[@ShaggtyDoo]

Do you leave it free floating or was that just a test?

[@JosephCenter]

The final drum was not truly free floating, because the strainer and butt end were mounted to the shell. I've got an idea for mounting the strainer and butt on the bottom hoop itself, but haven't tried it yet. I'm not convinced, though, that free floating would make any difference on a shell a 1/2' thick anyway....

[@ShaggtyDoo]

I think I agree. I tried a pearl free floater and it's pretty much a joke with the amount of metal required to let it 'float'. I also got my hands on a used Sleishman snare but it's only a 12" and not very deep but, I am pretty convinced that I like to be able to tune the bottom head on a snare. Toms, on the other hand, are completely awesome free floating but yeah you would have to go thinner on the shell.

[@nathanmcwayne5705]

Routers work left to right. You might check KZbin for a how to video. Just saying.

[@JosephCenter]

For better or worse, this video was a long time ago now, and I've learned a lot! I look back at these old videos and laugh (and sometimes shrink in horror!). :)

[@raymondschmidt2003]

yeah left to right and he does WAY TO MUCH WORK THEN HE HAS TO

[@yrussq]

Dull blade, aggressive feed and wrong grain positioning - that was the cause for those chops

[@JosephCenter]

I have certainly learned a lot in the last year and a half. :)

[@yrussq]

I had no doubt about that, keeping in mind you're making these for money) I commented for the novice drum builders as this question wasn't answered :) Nice drum! The hoops are just massive! :))