Building the SLOWEST Possible Plane In Trailmakers!

Welcome to another episode of Trailmakers! Today I want to find out just how slow a plane can fly in Trailmakers without falling out of the sky. In order to qualify as a plane, there has to be no thrust in the upwards direction, only wings can contribute to upwards force, and it has to maintain a steady altitude at the slowest speed. How slow can it go?
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About Trailmakers:
In the toughest motoring expedition in the universe, you and your friends will build your own vehicles to cross a dangerous wasteland. Explore, crash horribly, use your wits to build a better rig, and get as far as you can with whatever spare parts you find on your way.
Welcome to the Ultimate Expedition!
Journey over grueling mountains, hazardous swamps, and bone-dry deserts on a distant world far from civilization - it is just you, your fellow adventurers and the amazing, jet-powered hover-buggy you built yourself. Explore, crash your vehicle, build a better one, and get as far as you can with whatever spare parts you find along your way.
Trailmakers is about building very awesome vehicles and machines, but you don’t need an engineering degree to get started. The intuitive builder will get you going in no time. Everything you build is made from physical building blocks. Each block has unique features like shape, weight and functionality. They can be broken off, refitted and used to build something new. Individually the blocks are fairly simple, but combined the possibilities are endless.
Expedition Mode is the challenging campaign mode of Trailmakers. You are competing in an off-world rally expedition with only a few building blocks to get you started. You must build, tinker with and rebuild your machine to progress. Journey through a big world, overcome deep gorges, angry wildlife and dangerous weather to progress and find new parts that will juice up your machine. The world in Expedition Mode will test your survival skills and ingenuity.
Sandbox Mode is where you want to head for an unrestricted, sandbox, vehicle-building experience. Here you can build anything you can dream of, and play around with it in the world of Trailmakers. It is a great place to test out crazy machines, and experiment with the physics engine. With tons of different blocks, hinges, thrusters and interactive vehicle parts - the skybox is the limit.
Trailmakers is even more fun if you play it with other people. Build cool vehicles and compete in mini-game modes with your friends or other Trailmakers online. Build a helicopter, send it to your friend, and shoot them out of the sky. Put two seats on a tank, and let your friend control the turret. As we get further in Early Access development Expedition Mode will also be adapted to multiplayer.
Learn more about the game on www.playtrailmakers.com #scrapman #trailmakers

[@FerDutchman]

"Once we find out everything that doesn't work, we that will be left, is what works." - Scrapman 2023

[@HimotoYasui]

This. This is a Kerbal way.

[@moroblizniak4457]

Thisis what russia is doing rn.

[@shadelampsofficial]

​@@moroblizniak4457 u mean ukraine

[@dylandebruyn356]

"The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, Or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is Greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective Commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a Position where it isn't, And arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, Is now the position that it wasn't, And it follows that the position that It was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that It wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, The variation being the difference between Where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a Significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information The missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, Within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, Or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of Where it shouldn't be, and where it was, It is able to obtain the deviation And its variation, which is called error." Same vibe

[@legendaryblob8227]

*all that will be left

[@Zytharr03]

15:13 I love that he's got so much lift that his angle of attack is negative to maintain altitude

[@locke_ytb]

yeah 16:33 😅

[@jaspermooren5883]

Yeah I wonder if the game allows for perpetual motion because of how the lift works. If the lift goes forward you're technically able to maintain speed by having forwards an upwards lift. Of course this doesn't work in the real world, but Trailmakers physics is def not real world physics. If it is possible to have enough forwards lift to counteract the drag it's possible.

[@justinpatterson5291]

The air must be super viscous in trail makers. It's like flying through half set jello.

[@ledocteur7701]

and considering how slow airplanes are compared to real life, it would support the idea of air jello. irl, a Cessna can easily achieve 200 kmh, in trailmaker, that's the speed of a fighter jet.

[@AgentWest]

From what i remember, TM does not really have "air", the wings essentially reduce weight of the craft as a whole instead of producing lift. In most cases it is functionally the same, but effect is different when you get to extremes like this lowest speed.

[@justinpatterson5291]

Kosmo's new quantum drive warps up to a brisk jog's pace when you push the drive cores together super close. It's funny to watch. I wanted to compact the thing and it just crawled everywhere. Like a super slow mo vtol.

[@RamadaArtist]

@@AgentWest There's definitely some kind of functional air resistance. Obviously your speed is affected by how aerodynamic the vehicle is, but it's also possible to build usable planes with no "lift" producing parts. You can still build functional flight control surfaces using only aerodynamic blocks, so the game is calculating differing air resistance around the airframe somehow.

[@Vaprol.]

You should’ve activated the flaps They are specifically designed to get you more lift when going slower, and slow you down

[@magicmushrum6661]

agreed I'm surprised he didn't

[@masterdragon2698]

Thank you! It was triggering me the entire video

[@VascoCC95]

I think he does that on purpose... I mean... There are episodes where he uses and EXPLAINS what flaps are and others where you cringe with his non-use of flaps when it's the obvious solution... 🤦🏼‍♂

[@quakxy_dukx]

I looked it up and apparently the slowest plane irl had a minimum airspeed of 30kph so I think you did pretty good

[@kederaji]

That plane often takes off vertically because of headwinds.

[@lonelee5353]

@@kederaji does that mean you could just stop the plane in midair if you had enough headwind 😭

[@yot387]

Your editor does an incredible work passing the audio track through filters on the sections when you speak so it sounds like dimmer, with reverb...like being "underwater" and music is playing. Great inmersive job.

[@Hlebuw3k]

I thought he edited his own videos

[@thundervallie]

@@Hlebuw3k he used to

[@lunar_moth777]

​@@Hlebuw3khe hired a new editor recently but he hired the last editor before the airborne campaign I think

[@Arno1112]

I managed to build a plane that goes around 4 kph, it's basically just a biplane with 6 sets of wings

[@nefarioulyte9996]

Then it's no longer a biplane

[@watcher-zo7vk]

should we call it a hexaplane then?

[@Petq011]

Also, probably fewer wings and some actual flap usage might help with that?

[@gambler301]

definitely@@watcher-zo7vk

[@btmb]

i had one that looks like its frozen in mid air

[@ferncancersong]

In the seas expansion it can technically qualify as 0kph if we are going into the wind and the wind pushing backwards on the wing lets us float without falling and thrust pushing us with equal speed as the wind although he didn't say you have to go forward I think

[@Nevir202]

I like your rules lawyering. "Hey, I have 0 relative groundspeed, it doesn't MATTER what my airspeed is!" Given that, it would be hilarious to build something that is FAST with a lot of lift and then just fly into the high winds at the perimeter till you achieve 0 groundspeed.

[@Hlebuw3k]

Man, you can WALK faster than that plane! That's amazing, I love it.

[@bonesciencegaming3863]

10:52 that made me think of making you do a plane that is afraid of landing, so funny that it refuses to land

[@SpeedxSound]

Like his dragster that was afraid of speed

[@alekssrandomworld3748]

Scrapman i would like to see a 1v1v1v1 dogfight where everyone builds a plane and you randomly chose who gets whos plane you can get your own if you are lucky the creator also gets to chose the camera angel you have to use this can be a camera block.

[@kindagamer525]

"Grammer" is obviously your favorite subject in school.

[@AlRizz187]

🤓@@kindagamer525

[@Vulcan.]

@@kindagamer525 "grandma"*

[@hommerion2830]

It would be funny if he uses this plane. So one of the others would have to use it.

[@MrJake892]

In the process of trying to make the slowest plane, you have essentially accomplished in making something akin to a balloon 😄😄😄 Congratulations sir, the Wright Brothers would be thoroughly confused o7

[@moroblizniak4457]

11:00 And this is when logic gates step in. Every logic gate have output slider, you can have as many power outputs you want essentially. So you have take off power and cruise power binded to differend buttons.

[@archidonwarrior]

I think the lifting function of the wings might only "activate" at a certain speed, so that your plane doesn't float away for no reason when you park it. Seeing some pretty weird movements from scrapman's plane which might be explained by that.

[@davidaugustofc2574]

Scrapman has a whole lot of experience in this challenge already 😅

[@jasonanderson438]

Loved watching you try land a plane that takes off at 9 mph😂

[@anyways2485]

This is the epitome of “it doesn’t have to work great, it just has to work” - scrapman

[@--cook--]

this idea turned out to be way funnier than i was expecting, good job scrap!

[@RedstoneAceTheSecond]

Day two of I've got 3 ideas for you, 1: Player 1 builds a plane with wheels on the tips of the wings. Player 2 makes a runway with two lanes and a gap in between. Then land the plane on that runway. 2: Build a plane which can transform into a submarine upon contact with the water (like, wings turn in and stuff). 3: Test yours and your friends building skills by turning animals into a vehicles (maybe multiple animals per person but that might be too time consuming). Points for form and points for function

[@goldjaws]

It’s great to see you have so much fun with this concept. I would like to see you do this again, but see if you can use sails for thrust.

[@nikoloid5388]

ive been wondering if you're planning to continiue the random games series? it was really fun watching you play random games once in a while besides the main games. (also please continiue raft with kan, it got a lot of updates i think)

[@rojnx9]

This is a thing in real life too, they are called S-TOL (short take off and landing) competitions, the planes have to fly really slowly to land in a really short distance.

[@longnek1222]

Love these man keep up the work

[@aleksidimitrov2312]

To use the same thruster for lift off and for maintaining a flight you can use a logic gate with a different key that has its output limited and the thrusters themselves have a key that is used to lift off. Hope this helps

[@frakis2771]

I built a helichopter during the campaign. I had modular wings and the chopper engine, but not copter blades. So I made a functionin copter with two pairs of spinning bits in opposite directions. It went up and controlled very well, but I couldn't get it to go down. It had so much lift that it just hovered in place with no power.

[@RamadaArtist]

4:13 Props to the editor for actually explaining the mechanics here

[@Xmar4]

OMG THE EDITOR NOTES ABOUT THE PLANE! Love it!

[@35manning]

I just had a crazy idea. Very crazy. Scrapman level crazy. A dog fight challenge, but thrusters are stabilised to ALWAYS point horizontal. Mounted to your plane with a rotator and steering hinges, so as you roll left / right and as you pitch up / down, the thrusters stay level to the horizon. The thrusters may be mounted on the front OR the back (but not both). The challenge of it is, if you try to flight straight up vertically, front mounted thrusters will try to pull you straight, rear mounted thrusters will try to make you back flip. So, you will be forced to either climb and descend slowly OR build up speed and turn off thrust as you climb / descend fast.

[@Chase4FreeWiFi]

Man, this video was so entertaining and exciting to watch. I barely even blinked through out the video. Awesome job, Scrapman!

[@prorecon89]

people are supposed to blink.

[@SDPhantomGamer]

RCE did this a couple years ago, though it was interesting seeing the new parts used.

[@Rellek2700]

I can remember that too. RCE got a speed of 3mph or kph with a lot more wings

[@brandonatherton]

Well, I think Scrapman just broke every future glider challenge, lol.

[@rendoocreations2227]

I almost cried when he didn't use the flaps 😂. Very impressive that he did that well without them though

[@favorites8651]

Multiplayer suggestion. Dogfight but turrets are mounted facing upward on the plane rather than forward. This 1) makes it much harder to land a hit, changing dogfight dynamics 2) offers building restrictions considering the aerodynamics and range of the turrets to avoid shooting yourself and 3) gets rid of the high ground advantage because being above your opponent makes you easier to shoot, forcing battles down to an intensely close distance to the ground.

[@michaelkaho8586]

As always scrapman makes the best vids😊😊

[@qgaucho9088]

Imagine a battle but you can only use very small and underpowered motors, thrusters, wheels, and vehicles themselves but attach a gunpowder cannon to each and see how far it flings you back when you try to shoot the other player.

[@mrnaris4852]

Using the wing piece with flaps is hurting your lift, they produce less lift than normal modular wings, you can just test this out by placing wings on build mode and watching the center of lift move.

[@skullfire4725]

Scrapman here is a idea for you do a 1v1v1v1 by making a walking turrent and battle. You can also do a 2v2 that one person is shooting while the othr is controlling the walking turrent. Day 1.5 of asking scrapman to do this

[@TheLuconic]

Scrap man, what if you do an air bike race? Basically create planes that uses bike seats but it has to be compact like this build or maybe with more blocks. Like 100 blocks and the race itself that the racers has to stay to the ground as much as possible, and you do crazy turns and such. Idk why but this video is giving me that idea.

[@homevids]

Just started watching. I know exactly how to do this. Interested to see if you use the correct aeronautical method. ^^

[@xX_R0yalNe1n_mdm-12_Xx]

knowing that being here before this gets popular is amazing, claim ur reward: 👑🏆

[@autisticaeronaut]

I'm suprised scrapman didn't just make a giant box of wings

[@locke_ytb]

I think this is officially the trippiest ScrapMan video I have ever seen.

[@JoshuaGanoTyraxLightning]

If Yzuei ever watches this Vid, he might well wonder if you have totally lost your Marbles... XD

[@knicechawt]

the editor really helps out with the small explanations here and there

[@shay5025]

Put thrusters on servos connected to an angle sensor that always makes the thrusters point exactly horizontal

[@Pystro]

...which would also give you a place for the vertical speed sensors to read true vertical speed. And having that information, you might be able to automate keeping a constant altitude.

[@shay5025]

Then you connect thrusters to downward velocity and it settles on slowest speed.

[@user-lj3ez7so4p]

U are an amazing youtuber u inspired me to get this game u inspired me to make good planes and u can do any challenge without failing

[@MrMattkid]

So idk how this'll work in trailmakers, but you could tilt the wing tips up a little to make it naturally stay level. In real life, if it rolls to either direction, the angled tip on the downward side ends, generating more downward force pushing it back up, leveling it back out. Like is said, though. idk how well that'll work in trailmakers.

[@Yesenn]

A slow vehicle in Trailmakers actually has a pretty big advantage. It can repair infinitely without a cooldown. The cooldown bar only appears when you're moving at a fast enough speed. If this plane had some extra thrusters to go super fast, and be able to brake down to a slow speed, repair, and continue going fast, it'd be very good in PVP.

[@Luziferne]

The sideways motion is due to the sideways ailerons, a better way would be logic Like a front facing( 🐥) speed-sensor set to activate below threshold, set threshold to 3-4-5kmph and activate an and-gate with it, couple an or-gate set to space(for thrust) into the and-gate. Now you only have thrust if you press space and your speed is below the set threshold. If you crash, you are to slow... if still fly, set the speed a bit slower or… add wings AND set to a slower speed

[@skinlesspartan7]

I saw Real Civil Engineer do this, it's really interesting to see the differences in thought processes they have on how to do this

[@rishitwalia3865]

Yeah i thought he did a vid on the topic

[@jjsanimations]

ive had this idea on my mind for a little while: make a plane that can stop mid-air. like, youre flying and you press a key to just lose all/most momentum. this could be used for dodging missiles and stuff in battles. hope this idea makes sense and is actually possible :)

[@chris993361]

You used a bunch of stuff to increase drag, but those flap wings if you set the flaps to toggle will increase lift and drag at the touch of a button.

[@Pumpnineteen]

RCE did this challenge a while ago, and I think he did go down to 1kph with like 20 stacks of wings :>. This was before the air update, so things may have changed

[@Pystro]

Indeed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5DLZomrqpiZjNU RCE did this almost a year ago. (Before the airborne update; I don't know if that changed the physics of existing wings though.) He did it by just adding so many wings that any movement (including just from the wings flexing) created enough lift to get him airborne. So I don't know if that counts as actually flying or if its just using glitches.

[@melissabloom8747]

RCE kind of faced the same problem when he made the video 2 years ago. He managed to take off at 1 mph, going 3-4 ish mph forward, but also gaining speed up to 30mph as the plane goes sideways.

[@CiphecDec]

first thing I thought when you mentioned the rules was one of those gliders with a propeller on it. Huge wing span thin fuselage

[@SpartanZ198]

the helicopter blades generate a lot of resistance making you just float, and they might work for what your trying to do.

[@ethanhobson7161]

When I tried to make a glider I found that at a certain point when the lift to weight ratio is so low the plane starts defying physics and not increasing in speed no matter the angle

[@tomasparagas7531]

it's been a long time since I've been watching you videos before

[@Valykry]

So you have stumbled across STOL (slow take off & land) aircraft. Entire real world competitions are held on this concept. Funnily enough, the speeds you managed to get down to are also comparable to the real world results. (Though admittedly, they often have a bit of a headwind)

[@DaCheapChimp]

Good hypothesis.👍👍👍👍

[@foxracerdrew]

Reminds me of the glider I accidentally made in Main Assembly, it was unpowered and flew across the map whilst slowly falling upwards xD

[@beezin4374]

i cant believe that he just found out that this much drag can just make you float

[@legolooper]

You could have used an OR logic gate for the thruster power to be adjusted, keep the thruster’s settings at 10.00 and the logic at 0.25 or something, then set the logic gate and the thruster to diff buttons.

[@nikodriftpie1789]

one thing I think you forgot is that flap wings you could use them to slow down too like using the flaps on the wings to make it better

[@Xalder60]

Is the ground effect simulated in Trailmakers? At some points it felt like the plane was sitting on a cushion of air

[@anirudhaharikrishnan7465]

Cool. RCE acheived 1kph a year ago or something like that. It would be cool if there was a whole challenge to get the slowest vehicles

[@Berilaco]

I would be happy if you and some other guys could do a supercar/hypercar build battle with 3 catigories... looks(how realistic it looks), controlability(in that circuit race) and overall speed(either centrifuge or dragrace... maybe both)

[@josephkrug8579]

You should make a challenge map to try and see if the other people you play with can make super slow planes :) ie an obstacle course or some such where slower and smaller but maneuverable is best.

[@AgentWest]

Who knows, maybe "short take off and landing" contests can be a thing in TM as well now that several channels made videos about this.

[@steeljawX]

Did you turn down the steering influence of the air resistance ailerons? I'm wondering if those might have been completely "on" and that was what was driving you sideways.

[@blub999]

Adding stick with dynamite at the end and using this for fights would be awesome

[@nevernether3368]

I love slow flying vehicles and wanna build one irl that flies slower then walking speed, but dirigibles go off course with a slight breeze and I never thought of just extreme lightweight plane.

[@jorge8596]

So I did some math and assuming 1m = 4 blocks, minimum speed of 5km/h, and standard Earth gravity and air density, this airplane has a maximum lift coefficient of 41.25 !!! For reference, your average real life airfoil will have around 1.5 for a plain clean wing and 2.4-3.3 with high lift devices (flaps, slats). I've looked around on the internet and the highest number I've come across was 12 for a crazy theoretical wing with powerful suction devices that wouldn't stall even at 70°AoA. Trailmakers has some real wacky physics when you push it to its limits

[@limbomask4745]

My grandpa said he made a paper (?) and wood (?) plane that would float in place on the slightest draft. He used to make planes and would throw them out the window with his address on them so that if they were found the could be returned. This is one of the many he lost, I don't know if he threw it and it never came back or it just got damaged and someone threw it away, but I don't doubt it's real, given his experience in mechanics.

[@MrCavespider11]

Do 1v2 parasite fighters vs cargo plane.parasite fighter has 1 or 2 smart cannons and 30 block limit and cargo plane has 2 miniguns that are controlled by the cargo plane

[@Prepare-uranus-]

0:03 this is genius plane design here

[@draconiumdragon5883]

You should do a multiplayer challenge with this concept

[@calciumguy1041]

Imagine a plane like this irl, like just seeing someone pretty much hover without any upwards propulsion

[@kederaji]

Your comment on AOA is why we design flight computers with angle of attack and angle of sideslip as core sensors. We need to know those things. Hi my name is kederaji and I make planes.

[@ZekeTheSquirrel]

I would think enabling some flaps could get you slower with fewer wings as well.

[@Drago_Whooves]

the next Multiplayer Glider challenge is gonna be interesting

[@s0m3Guy37]

Something something sniper tanks vs low armored cars? Sounds like a fun capture the flag type game for trailmakers

[@Nevir202]

In KSP, at least last time I played it, if you built a plane like this, but with no engines and launched it with something like a rocket sled, your aerodynamic surfaces created forces when they actuated, which were sufficient to stay airborne indefinitely, and if fact made it IMPOSSIBLE to land, of you touched the controls while trying to do it.... Well outside of plowing it into the ground, but it mean a normal, soft landing was impossible. Because when you would try to pitch up to scrub away the last of your speed, you would actually gain speed and climb lol.

[@rare-therandomengineer7962]

use camera blocks looking at the altitude sensor really gotta use those more

[@warkus123]

10:35 that thing looks like you're trying to control a sheet of paper when it's windy...

[@adriansrealm]

It's the bomb wheel glider evolution all over again.

[@Skylar_minecraft]

this would be an amazing ground attack plane, especially if you made it have a mode where it went 100kmph+, as well as almost being able to hover

[@Streiter8]

wow this is crazy

[@davidharper494]

Y'all should do a slow plane dog fight.

[@jared9108]

Got to turn this into a multiplayer Monday challenge

[@user-zr6wy7vj2b]

i love how scrapman somehow made a plane slower then the car you start with in stranded in space

[@noonethatyouknow5555]

this is how fast the plane feels like it's moving when there's a crying child sitting next to you

[@Midnight-1810]

I think the normal modular wings have more lift than the flap wings when the flaps are not deployed.. scrapman keeps using flaps but then not deploying them Im only halfway through tho so he might enable them later

[@lordsrednuas]

Next thing with Yuzi rock up with this thing :)

[@HowlingCurve]

Use logic/angle sensors to automate level flight and then dial in the speed and lift from there.

[@moseslmps6261]

put a SPEED LIMITER ON THE PROPELLER, thats set on a toggle button, limiter will turn on when you lift in the air, and propeller can spin slower

[@Pystro]

Next challenge: Flying as *low* as possible. Build a plane that can automatically keep a set altitude and see how low you can fly without touching the sea in this map or the ground in the test map. And of course, you'll want to go supersonic so that it's not too easy.

[@danser_theplayer01]

Imagine if irl hovercraft was just a giant wing with insane lift.

[@AngelboyVR]

i imagine just a gargantuan box of Wings filling out the entire max buildspace, for the most Air resistance

[@liamcullingford583]

Nice video