Dhoby Ghaut station was not randomly named. The name derives from Hindi and refers to people doing their washing. There used to be a clear stream in the 1800s running into Sungei Bras Besah where the dhobis (washermen) used to do their laundry. There used to be ghats (steps) down to the stream before the Sungei Bras Besah was turned into a canal in the 1900s. This is a historical site and the name reflects that
@fauzirahman3285 Жыл бұрын
And the original station was pretty small and unremarkable before it became the massive interchange it is today.
@mike045748 ай бұрын
Still not a clear and easy name for an mrt, which is the point of the video
@huizhenyap78436 күн бұрын
Right
@Whataname.hellodt2 жыл бұрын
A few things i would like to point out. The government has rules to naming MRT stations. Station names need to fit one of several criteria: help commuters easily identify where the station is located; illustrate the history and heritage of the station’s location; and/or reflect Singapore’s multi-racial and multi-cultural identity. Stations are not to be named after public structures, or commercial and residential developments. Dakota MRT station is named after the housing development known as Dakota Crescent developed in the late 1950s. Sixth Avenue was chosen because it was a more well-known road compared to Eng Neo Avenue or Turf Club Road (which by the way is where the *old* Turf club used to be). Tan Kah Kee got renamed after an online poll. It was supposed to be named Duchess (after the road), and cannot be named Hwa Chong. Clarke Quay MRT Station was named because it is located near Clarke Quay. Paya Lebar MRT station is named after the road Paya Lebar Road. Pioneer MRT station is named after the road Pioneer Road North. Boon Lay MRT station is named after Boon Lay Way/Jalan Boon Lay or the Boon Lay housing estate that is north of the station.
@TheRealMycanthrope Жыл бұрын
Thanks, this really emphasises just how truly awkward a system it is
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Your examples also show why its a bad idea to name stations after long roads/rivers, since knowing the road name doesn't help you significantly narrow down where the station could be at. Other examples include Sg Bedok & Upp Thomson stations being at the very southern end of the namesake river & road respectively (4 stations north of the latter, SpringLeaf station is also along Upp Thomson Rd!, while Bedok Reservoir station is also adjecent to Sg Bedok but upstream). 6th Ave station meanwhile is at the very northern end of the namesake road; I would've named it after the nearby & much shorter Vanda Link instead. & a side note that Google isn't always inaccurate in displaying the name of regions in Singapore (like in 12:34), partially because we don't have the most standardized definitions for them. We have 1 zoning system for public housing building (the URA MasterPlan) but another for the town councils maintaining those already built plus the Community Dev't Councils giving social services to them (& it changes with every election), while law enforcement have their own system too.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
"...Stations are not to be named after ... commercial and residential developments..." Well on the other hand we used to have 10 Mile Junction LRT station, named after the mall & condominium that the station is built inside (which in turn is named after the 10th milepost along the adjacent Woodlands Rd (the milepost marks the distance from downtown, along not along Woodlands Rd but also along (Upp) Bt Timah & Dunearn Rds that Woodlands Rd continues as as you go in the downtown direction)), but when the mall & condominium were renamed Junction 10, the LRT station didn't follow suit
@phoebetan7519 Жыл бұрын
@@lzh4950 TO be honest,10 mile junction was a term used by older generations (i.e. in the 50s and 60s) to the area. When I was a kid growing up in the 70s, that's how my dad referred to the area.
@zephyr_lukas_liu Жыл бұрын
10:09, just for reference, sixth avenue mrt is not actually where it is displayed on the map, it is on the other side of the road where sixth avenue is, making naming the station "Eng Neo" or "Turf Club" really stupid as you'd have to cross the road. Also "Turf Club" is already a station being planned as part of the Cross Island Line.
@PJWALKER4402 жыл бұрын
Redfern station isn’t in Redfern… technically. Anyone looking at the area would assume it was in the southwest corner of the suburb. And… the moment you leave the station, you’re in Redfern - no matter which exit you take. But for some reason the suburb border has a chunk cut out of the south-west, cutting out the station, and the train-line leading up to it, and absolutely nothing else. And because of that, the station is in Eveleigh.
@koharumi1 Жыл бұрын
Navigating the train network in Singapore is far easier. Easy to tell which way the train is going by the signs above each door, little wait time, etc.
@sethtan715 Жыл бұрын
I know the Singapore MRT can be confusing. Firstly, as you mentioned, Farrer Road MRT and Farrer Park MRT are similar names but they are a few kilometres away from each other, but there are the station codes for a reason - so that tourists and/or people don't get mixed up. There are also numbers to show which direction commuters can go to, reducing the chances of them getting lost. Secondly, Google Maps is not 100% accurate about where that planning area/town is, so you can't really say the MRT station is super far away from the planning area/town, another reason being that the station might be in the planning area/town, but just not wear the big name is on Google Maps. Thirdly, the government likes to name places after actions that happened to the past actions that happened frequently. For example, Dhoby Ghaut was named after the people who bathed or washed by the riverbank. Another example, the Chinese name for Chinatown MRT is 牛车水, which means "bullock cart water" and not 唐人街, which many cities name their Chinatown in Chinese. This is because the name was derived from the bullock carts used to bring water from a well. Lastly, the Singapore Government does not want a central stations where many lines stop at, like Sydney's Central, as not doing so ensures a better connectivity with other MRT lines at other stations. **This is not a hate comment or whatsoever, this comment is just mostly an explanation and/or things that can be highlighted to answer some of the problems that were said.
@krasnodar3641 Жыл бұрын
As a fellow Sydneysider, I'd never really realised this until I travelled to other countries (including Singapore) and used their metros / rail networks and did notice how random or confusing station names can be. I don't think Singapore is too bad... try Paris or most European cities who seem so often to name their stations after obscure historical figures foreigners would probably have never heard of i.e. they usually have absolutely no geographic relation to the place whatsoever. Thanks for the video, this is the very first one from you I've watched and your others look interesting too!
@nicholasw9962 жыл бұрын
Tallawong station was in Rouse Hill until Blacktown Council established "Tallawong" as a suburb, seemingly in an ad hoc justification for the station name. The station originally appeared on plans as "Cudgegong Road". I suppose that didn't have a nice ring to it, so they went with "Tallawong" instead, which is the name of a road a block away. Also, the upcoming Metro West line has a station planned to be named "The Bays". I'm not thrilled with that at all.
@brianmackenzie5692 Жыл бұрын
The station was originally Cudgegong as it was directly next to Cudgegong Road. The Geographical Names Board determined that there was, already, a Cudgegong locality and GNB policy is not to have the same names at different locations that might confuse emergency services.
@madamebkrt8 ай бұрын
Where is "The Bays" supposed to be?
@staryoshi064 ай бұрын
The Rydalmere and Camellia stations on the parramatta light rail got renamed to Yallamundi and Rosehill Gardens, neither of which are actual suburbs.
@edwardsethaphanich95682 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I lived in Singapore for and the names are alright. You can remember the stations instantly. If you need help, there is always the route map and the automated pa announcements on the trains to help guide you. In fact, automated route maps will display the arriving and upcoming stations.
@ozzyclark71452 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the whole video
@edwardsethaphanich95682 жыл бұрын
@@ozzyclark7145 Yes I did
@edwardsethaphanich95682 жыл бұрын
And the names do make sense in Singapore
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Actually I think some of the station names have shaped our perceptions & caused some misconceptions, such as thinking that the Paya Lebar area is around Paya Lebar MRT station, when actually its further north around Tai Seng station & Paya Lebar Air Base, & thinking that Yio Chu Kang (YCK) is the area aroung YCK MRT station, whereas some people refer to the housing estate at the junction of YCK road & Jln Kayu as YCK instead. Maybe future generations will also think that the Upp Thomson area is only the area around Upp Thomson MRT, but 4 stations north, SpringLeaf station is also along Upp Thomson Rd!
@SirGregory2 жыл бұрын
Haha, looks like you jumped right in the middle of a hornets' nest judging by some of the Singapore feedback. Nevertheless, you've covered both best practice and the dilemas of building beautifully . Thanks.
@BuildingBeautifully2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was clear that it should be clear for tourists too, not just locals 😆😆. Best part is I got all these station naming blunders from a Reddit post in r/Singapore, written by Singaporeans! Look, Singapore is far from the only system to have poor names, and maybe I was too harsh in this video, but ultimately Sydney does it better (not much else transport wise though!)
@AndoCommando1000 Жыл бұрын
Singapore metro: I have confusing metro stop names Sydney light rail: Hold my beer! “Hawthorn. Marion. Arlington. ES Marks. Juniors Kingsford.”
@user-ek8sx4cy1c11 ай бұрын
The reason why Tan Kah Kee is choosed instead of HwaChong Instituition is because there are many other schools there such as nanyang girls high ang national junior colledge. Since Tan Kah kee helped in building does schools, The station is named after him. As a 华人先贤,many people in Singapore recognise him.
@fannieng3350Ай бұрын
There was a road named tan Kah Kee drive near that station
@HPockly Жыл бұрын
May be because for SG people, it is easy for us to know which station is at where. We just view them as just train stations. For visitor's may be it will be hard to know where is where but, I do not think alot of visitors will go visit all this station as it is not a tourist zone. Only those that the name sounds abit different because it is most likely a tourist place. I live close to where the stations have this north, south, east, west thing, so I found it easy to know where I am going or at. As most of us, sometime tell our friends that "O we live at this north of this place"
@Kai_Squared Жыл бұрын
Exactly. When I lived in Singapore I never cared much about the place I'm in or the nearest MRT station. When I need to go somewhere I enter the address into google maps, follow the route given, walk anywhere from 3 to 10 minutes and off I go. I only had a vague idea that I was in the south of the island, or the far east, for example. Still easy enough.
@deathdrone6988 Жыл бұрын
Alot of Singapore's stations are quite aptly named, it just might not be ideal for tourist like yourself. E.g., I doubt there is any Singaporean that doesn't know who Tan Kah Kee for how influential he was in the country's education system and the fact NJC and Hwa Chong students take it essentially every day, and Clark Quay is the area around that portion of the river, so it refers to both sides.
@Peleski11 ай бұрын
For a so called gateway city, I'm surprised by this comment.
@camjohnson2004 Жыл бұрын
Just on your naming of stations and ones that are a bit vague. You mentioned Hawkesbury River which is at Brooklyn. I live on the Central Coast (Woy Woy Nearest Station) and i was heading to Brooklyn (had a job on there) and there was a bunch of people dressed up for the horse races. I got off at Brooklyn and so did these well dressed ladies and Gentlemen. When we got off they were looking puzzled, they were looking for signs to the Hawkesbury Races. They asked me if i knew where the races were on at and I said "that's out in the Nepean Valley, This is Brooklyn station, its named Hawkesbury River station as its at the very Mouth of the Hawkesbury river where it meets the ocean. Told them you would need to go to Richmond or Windsor and get the busses from there. They ended up going back home
@partylikeits1066 Жыл бұрын
I would also say that St James isn't a great station name, since St James church isn't a super prominent or well known landmark in my experience. St Mary's might be a better name since St Marys cathedral is a much bigger landmark that's also close by. Honestly St James and Museum could just be called Hyde Park North and South. Since they both have multiple entrances and are close together naming them after landmarks gets confusing since any landmark is either only close to one of the entrances, or is far enough away that it could apply to both stations!
@Polai010Ай бұрын
St Mary’s station already exists though. On the T1 Western Line
@partylikeits1066Ай бұрын
@@Polai010 oh yeah of course, I wasn't thinking about the suburb St Mary's. Maybe 'Cathedral' would be a better name, and would work well with Museum
@Polai010Ай бұрын
@@partylikeits1066 oh wow you actually responded a year later. Anyway. Cathedral would make for a better name for the station.
@cheewailee5115 Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to add that the Singapore station names are derived from Chinese dialects, Malay etc - reflecting Singapore’s multicultural multiethnic background
@sky._.0828 Жыл бұрын
Dhoby Ghaut Station can’t be named as Central station is because that there will be six three-line-interchanges in 2030, by the time Dhoby Ghaut won’t be the biggest station in Singapore. Other four stations are Jurong East, Choa Chu Kang, Marina Bay, Outram Park and Punggol.
@varunnaidu75522 жыл бұрын
Hey, so I'm from Singapore and I really appreciate your video. Just wanted to point out that the naming conventions for some of these stations deviated from their original. For instance in places like Woodlands, that you've zoomed in, Marsiling was meant to be Woodlands West, and Admiralty as Woodlands East. Boon Lay's original name was meant to be Jurong West, and these aren't the only ones. As some pointed out, even the stations such as Tan Kah Kee was meant to be originally called Duchess. And also how Dakota was named after the Dakota roads and public housing estate. However, I agree that Farrer Road and Farrer Park are still confusing and I've had local friends who have gone to the wrong place before. With more MRT lines opening up, they couldn't keep just using unique names, and that's how the stations on Downtown Line, Circle Line onwards started having direction names included (Woodlands North, Woodlands South, Bedok North). I do agree that for the most bit, Sydney names its stations appropriately and I hope it maintains this even with the privatisation and Metro dominance. I now live in Ryde and I'm happy to share more about trains or buses as I study in Sydney now. Great video!
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Farrer Pk station is named after the namesake field beside it (& to be fair, if not for this station's name, I wouldn't have paid as much attention to this historic field, having hosted various sports events) while Farrer Rd station is named after the road above it. But OK if we wanna avoid confusion, maybe we can rename Farrer Pk station after the Pek Kio inner suburb/neighbourhood beside it ("white bridge" in Hokkien, which can also raise awareness of this name, which now seems a bit more obscure as it's small & a distance off the main road), & rename Farrer Rd after Woollerton Pk that runs parallel to it
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
I have some suggestions! Woodlands N -> Khalsa Cres, Woodlands S -> _Chuntum_ (there used to be a road called Jln Chuntum nearby), Bedok N -> Chai Chee N
@Mkt60402 жыл бұрын
I agree. When I visited Singapore, I found the train station naming confusing. I did get off at the wrong station )central) thinking I was in the heart of the city. I had to walk a fair to get to the heart of the city. I find Sydney train system still superior. For example, no matter when I caught the train, it stopped at every station. Things might face changed as this was back in 2012
@koharumi1 Жыл бұрын
Now Singapore has the far better network. Sydney should of added more line back in the 2000s.
@zephyr_lukas_liu Жыл бұрын
10:09, just for reference, sixth avenue mrt is not actually where it is displayed on the map, it is on the other side of the road where sixth avenue is, making naming the station "Eng Neo" or "Turf Club" really stupid as you'd have to cross the road. Also "Turf Club" is already a station being planned as part of the Cross Island Line.
@steveremington2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a trip down memory lane for my time living in Singapore. I do miss the "never needing to care about a timetable" aspect of the Singpaore MRT. I used to live at Toa Pyoh and at peak times the trains would arrive at about 90 second intervals. The longest time I ever had to wait for a train in Singapore was about 10 minutes and that was on a minor station of a minor line at about 10:00 pm.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
I guess its might be a good thing that we have enough passengers to justify such high frequency. On the other hand I'd also noticed how Melbourne has several times longer railways than us despite having slightly less people, though I guess their service might not be as frequent
@JacobOhlssonBudinger2 жыл бұрын
i find this a little inaccurate. Singapore is good at naming things with numbers. all stations have number codes, and all exits have numbers, helping non english speaking tourists. in the age of app based way finding telling someone to get off at NE21 on an app is easier for most people than something else. As a londoner i’d argue that we actually do a lot worse. now this is largely due to the systems age/railway politics/decentralised development, however we don’t use any easy means of fixing these old mistakes like singapore.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Imagine trying to implement a station code system on NYC's subway, where each line/train may skip different stops or travel along different routes at different times of the day
@JacobOhlssonBudinger Жыл бұрын
@@lzh4950 tbf not that difficult. just name it after the street (already a number) plus a letter of each avenue. they wouldn’t be like specific but still that’s fine
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
@@JacobOhlssonBudinger I wonder if such a numbering system will be confusing to commuters, since consecutive stations won't have consecutive numbers, while some streets have >1 station of the same name but served by different lines/trains
@JacobOhlssonBudinger Жыл бұрын
@@lzh4950 well you’d put a letter infront of the numbers to denote different lines so it’s not too confusing. idk i just thought most of the numbers are already there so why not use them right? you wouldn’t need to but you might as well
@juzzs7283 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering why Tallawong wasn't on the list and today I discovered that Tallawong is now a suburb too.
@Smitology Жыл бұрын
What about Norwest, is that considered a suburb now too?
@juzzs7283 Жыл бұрын
@@Smitology yes Norwest is now a suburb too. It was split off from kellyville along with kellyville north and some other changes at the time. I think this was about 5 or 6 years ago
@Haroutov2 жыл бұрын
Very well spoken and informative. I came from the video you did on Eastwood, big fan of how sophisticated your videos are :)
@shreyanhistory Жыл бұрын
Dhoby Ghaut translates to "washermen's hill" in hindi. Historically, Dhoby Ghaut was used as a place of residence for washermen because of its proximity to a river, which was turned into a canal in the 1900s.
@RaindancerAU2 жыл бұрын
If only Clyburn Station still existed :) A railway employee only station between Clyde and Auburn and it was seemingly named by mashing the two suburb names together :)
@OldAussieAds2 жыл бұрын
I used to live in the inner west as a teen and frequently took the train to the Blue Mountains to visit a mate. I would always remember to look at Clyburn Station when ever it whizzed by. Without the Internet, that station was a mystery to me - I didn't know it's story. Even Clyde was a bit of a mystery. Seemed like a station in the middle of nowhere that apparently was a terminus to another strange line (Carlingford). Why would anyone from Carlingford / Telopea want to go to Clyde? If they couldn't have had that line continue into the City, could they not have picked a more logical station to terminate than Clyde like Granville or Parramatta? I loved thinking about that stuff back then.
@immanuelaj2 жыл бұрын
The suburb Ashbury exists though, and it's right in between Ashfield and Cantebury.
@nperceived2 жыл бұрын
By the way, there is also the new Tallawong station; formerly called Cudgerong Road during planning, it's in Rouse Hill but I believe it was only opened as Rouse Hill was too small to build new parking lots/carparks.
@BuildingBeautifully2 жыл бұрын
It's actually in its own suburb, Tallawong, a new suburb formed right next to Rouse Hill.
@nperceived2 жыл бұрын
@@BuildingBeautifully Oh I didn't realise that it's now a suburb of its own now. That explains it all.
@brentos-the-mentos2 жыл бұрын
@@nperceived It's all a bit funny. It was indeed first called Cudegong Road because of the nearby road, then it changed to Tallawong as it was the other road the station bordered. Now I'm not sure the exact reasoning and timeline for it all, but eventually a new suburb of Tallawong was marked, and so it all tied in together. (My theory is it went Road --> Station --> Suburb, but who knows)
@asquenn70712 жыл бұрын
@@brentos-the-mentos The name Tallawong was selected after an Aboriginal word. The suburb was named after the station.
@brianmackenzie5692 Жыл бұрын
@@brentos-the-mentos The station was originally Cudgegong as it was directly next to Cudgegong Road. The Geographical Names Board determined that there was, already, a Cudgegong locality and GNB policy is not to have the same names at different locations that might confuse emergency services.
@staryoshi064 ай бұрын
There's a train line in Canada that is so unpopulated that the train stations are named after the people who live there.
@noahwon92532 жыл бұрын
Naming name sense as a visitor to Singapore and was so easy to get around. Have you touched on the fact the "T" lines in the Sydney map are terrible. That is more confusing than names for sure
@AlphaGeekgirl Жыл бұрын
And the use of B for buses! I was once standing in a very large and busy bus interchange in western Sydney once looking for stand B. Needless to say, I spent more than an hour in the wrong place. 🤦🏻♀️
@marcustang282 Жыл бұрын
Dhoby Ghaut is named that as it is where the Dhobys washed clothing but they lost jobs during ww2
@theautistictransitfan2 жыл бұрын
11:27 *laughs in LA Metrolink Claremont and Montclair stations*
@stephenpower87238 ай бұрын
Latin America cities often have stations named after streets or landmarks. They can also have 2 names for stations that connect two or more lines. Buenos Aires does this (e.g. Pueyrredon on line B intersects with Corrientes on line H) and also has 2 stations called Callao (pronounced Cashow) on parallel lines B & D.
@davidburrow5895 Жыл бұрын
It is common in the United States to name stations after nearby streets. This can cause confusion when different lines have stations with the same name. For instance, in New York there are five different stations named 23rd Street, none of which interchange with each other. Similarly Chicago has five stations named Western Avenue, including two that are on different branches of the same line.
@madamebkrt8 ай бұрын
I've looked at the New York subway map and I can't imagine how confusing it is to navigate for visitors and newcomers.
@marclane13 ай бұрын
There are other systems that work too, despite following none of those rules. Paris often uses cross streets (Reamur-Sebastopol),which is in the Marais (not a station name). The largest ststion in the Marais, if not Paris, is Chatelet-Les Halles, and there is also Chatelet, and Les Halles stations, which also join Chatelet-Les-Halles underground for interchange. My favourite is Jacques Bonsergent, named for a WW2 victim. He was both both born and killed far from where the ststion lies. None of this confuses locals.
@netlehien Жыл бұрын
A super confusing station name in the greater sydney train network is Shellharbour junction which is several kilometers away from the Shellharbour town Center which absolutely no one wants to walk that far
@Peleski11 ай бұрын
Flemington is named after Flemington Markets which is where we went before supermarkets. I'm not sure it exists now, but it shows the risk of naming things after landmarks. London has several oddities like that, like Blackfriars, not many of those after the schism.
@henreereeman852910 ай бұрын
Blackfriars station is in an area now known as Blackfriars, London does have many badly named stations but Blackfriars isn't really one of them!
@edmundpatonwalsh704 Жыл бұрын
By the way, Redfern Station is not in Redfern, but in Eveleigh.
@CornK1172Ай бұрын
It’s called Bayfront because Marina Bay Sands hotel is called Bayfront Hotel, which is why they named it that.
@theinterportal2 ай бұрын
Esplanade - I’ll give that to you. Dakota - everyone knows that place as Dakota or Old Airport Road. Downtown - but it IS the new financial centre. Sixth Avenue - everyone knows that place as Sixth Avenue. It’s an iconic road and a trunk connection between Bukit Timah and Holland Road. Tan Kah Kee - yes you can’t call it Hwa Chong MRT. Kranji - the namesake comes from the Kranji Turfclub. If you really want to go into semantics, the place you called as Kranji estate is actually the Sungei Kadut industrial estate with its own reserved station called “Sungei Kadut”. Clarke Quay station is situated beside the Clarke Quay area. Like just a hop skip and throw away from Clarke Quay. Paya Lebar station is located exactly where 21st century Paya Lebar currently is. The area you pointed out is the Paya Lebar Airbase which is off limits to the public. My point here is that conventions of nomenclature differ from place to place. Your “3 rules” may apply very well to one country, but fall apart in another. You must remember that Singapore’s MRT system was built in conjunction with future plans for the city, and not built to connect existing parts of the city. The station names are an extension of the new townships which will be built around the station. A fine example of this “naming appropriation” is the Choa Chu Kang estate which is actually not located at the historical Choa Chu Kang kampong. That’s where most today would call it, Lim Chu Kang. For stations built in existing townships before the 1980s, you’d find that most of them comply to your hard and fast rules - such as Queenstown, Tiong Bahru, Clementi, Eunos, Bedok, Ang Mo Kio, Yishun, etc.
@chrisbell1878 Жыл бұрын
Just a comment. The National Museum of Australia (or Australian National Museum as you mistakenly called the Australian Museum) is located in Canberra. but thanks for your interesting and well researched vids!
@democracymanifest8256 Жыл бұрын
The National Museum of Australia and the Australian Museum are two different places. The first is in Canberra as you note but the Australian Museum is located in Sydney near Hyde Park as he shows on the map. So no mistake.
@jamestk5079 Жыл бұрын
@@democracymanifest8256 there was a point in the video where the Australian Museum was referred to as the Australian National Museum, which it is not, and what the comment was referring to.
@democracymanifest8256 Жыл бұрын
@@jamestk5079 I think it was clear what he meant. Especially seeing the one in Canberra isn’t called the Australian National Museum.
@Smitology Жыл бұрын
@@democracymanifest8256 I agree that it was clear in context, but I think that was funny considering how he considered "Olympic Park Station" to not be named after its suburb "Sydney Olympic Park"
@jonathanchua15842 жыл бұрын
I am just surprised that you did not bring up Promenade station out of all the options you had! Lol. 😆 Where the hell is Promenade (in your video and in Singapore)?
@ethant91132 жыл бұрын
Can't fault you as you're viewing it from a visitor's perspective and using current view, so some Singaporean names will look illogical. Granted, it's a rant video, and a little more research can answer some of the confusion that you have and corrected the faulty assumptions you made. But It's still worth to reflect if the Singaporean naming rules can be relooked. Do bear in mind that Singapore changes more rapidly. In 50 years, Esplanade Theatres might not be around anymore; Hwa Chong may have moved elsewhere. The use of historical names is less of an issue. More problematic is the names for places that previously didn't exist -- created by some university graduates in an office. Singapore government used to confuse people with parking coupons; now they do that with MRT names! *Try searching for a movie clip on "parking coupon conspiracy Singapore" if you want to know what this means.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Case in point: River Valley High Sch used to be near River Valley Rd but after moving 5-6 times its now all the way at Boon Lay. Dunman High & Sec both have similar names as they were originally along Dunman Rd I think, though both schools have since moved
@rileyeyeyy2 жыл бұрын
MacArthur is named that Becuase that is the region of Campbelltown and MACARTHUR square is next to it
@PCLoadLetter2 жыл бұрын
When Macarthur station was planned, it was going to be called Ambarvale. Well, that was after they changed the plan from simply moving Campbelltown station and instead building a new one. Even though Macarthur Square opened 6 years before Macarthur Station did, the centre wasn’t particularly close to the station before 2005. The Kellicar Lane precinct, next to the station, didn’t open until 2017. Many shopping centres in Sydney started out with acres of parking close to the station that you’d have to trudge through, before the centres realised that trains were useful to attract patrons. Initially the use of those car parks by train commuters on weekdays was largely overlooked because the parking was available for patrons on Thursday nights and Saturdays.
@user-vz6lr1ps4y Жыл бұрын
And who are you lol? Singapore did not follow your First, second, third rule? Pity on you mate :)
@m3andchip52 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and I love your perspective. I'm not a Singaporean, but I've travel a lot and Singapore is my most visited city to date. I agree with some stations being named where the actual location is quite far away, but it does make me think about a similar situation here in Sydney. My Singaporean history is not perfect, but I would think the 55 planning areas would've been lesser and larger back in the day. I say this because back here in Sydney, my home station of Croydon was called 'Five Dock' a hundred years ago, but then planners quickly realised that the station itself was too far from Five Dock and so named it after the suburb it was actually in, Croydon. I reckon some stations in Singapore still retained their 'local' names because the planning areas used to be part of that area (as someone mentioned in the comments below previously, it would've illustrated the history and heritage of the station's location). Marina Bay station also makes sense; as a planned city (lol irony) the planners already had the name of the area and so the station is named as is; but I reckon they made that decision before the Marina Bay Sands was even built. I went to Singapore before MBS was built and the Marina Bay area was surely an empty lot back then lol Although, I definitely agree you need better names than 'Marina South Pier' and 'Marina South' lol Finally, fun fact, while our stations in Sydney are exactly where they are, there are still locals who do mention they need to take the train to Homebush Bay, yet in our subconscious Sydney minds, we know they are referring to Olympic Park station because before the Olympic Park name, it was really Homebush Bay lol
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
"...I would think the 55 planning areas would've been lesser and larger back in the day..." Reminds me of why Punggol Park & community centre are in Hougang instead of Punggol, probably because they were built before the latter was developed as a suburb further NE of Hougang, back when 'Punggol' instead referred to the entire most outlying NE region of Singapore, where both Hougang & Punggol are. To be fair, Marina S is land that's reclaimed only from ~40 yrs ago so it doesn't have many names from history to choose from.
@danieljordan559 Жыл бұрын
Macdonaldtown used to be in Macdonaldtown. They renamed the suburb but never renamed the station. Bad history behind it.
@alexssydneytrainvlogs9413 Жыл бұрын
There is also St Mary’s Station, in North St Marys
@Snowflakyy2 жыл бұрын
Yea. But its still not as confusing as the Transjakarta bus map in Jakarta, Indonesia tho.
@mickvonbornemann3824 Жыл бұрын
You shouldn’t have mentioned the 8th line as a metro line because it isn’t a metro line. They just use that word as a proper noun for future lines as a union busting exercise. By claiming the new lines are a different network, called the “Metro” they’re not bound by all the agreements Cityrail has made with the rail unions. That’s the only reason for the name. In fact they spent like a billion making the former Chatswood Epping Cityrail line incompatible to Cityrail trains, height wise, before transferring it to the Metro, to make sure no future Labour govt would consider running city rail trains on it in the future; as both use the same electrical settings & rail gauge, they use a different train gauge.
@marquee_tags Жыл бұрын
When public transport is as standard as it is in Singapore, the station names become geographic identifiers in and of themselves.
@LouisChang-le7xo2 ай бұрын
Meanwhile in America: 3rd street east 3rd street 3rd street west Interstate Highway 290 Union Station (5 blocks away) [insert suburb] transit center
@dannnsss8034 Жыл бұрын
Other than pronouncing some of the station names... (Circular Quay, pronounced as circular key, or leichhardt as likeheart...right?), or confusing names (Eastwood vs Epping) I've had no issues with the names as a newcomer to Sydney. Didn't think twice whether they were named after landmarks or whatever either. If you want a crazy one, look at Seoul's. Some station names append some business name, due to sponsorship / extra revenue... Or translating the Korean station names to English, confusing Korean / English speakers when talking to each other.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Dubai also lets sponsors put their names in train station names, while KL's monorail didn't but put their logos beside signs showing the stations' names
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Many stations in Japan also transliterate rather than translate their names from Japanese into English, reducing their understandability to non-Japanese speakers, but making it easier for Japanese to understand if you happen to ask them for directions to that station e.g. _Kagoshima_-chuo -> _Kagoshima_ Ctrl, _Kawaguchi-ko_ -> _Kawaguchi_ Lake, _higashi-Hiroshima_ -> East _Hiroshima_ , _Shinjuku-san-chome_ -> _Shinkuku_ 3rd subdistrict
@HarrisonLuiEKYiss3 ай бұрын
I want to think that New York’s subway has the WORST naming convention, as it is only prioritises street names rather than local landmarks, especially when you think that there are multiple stations of the same name (Canal st, canal st, canal st, canal st). Even though they also add landmarks into it, they always go by , which is pretty frustrating. Btw I’m singaporean and I’ve never visited NYC, only seen it from other metro videos. I do agree that there are some station naming in Singapore in this video are awful, but as the other commenters have pointed out, history and Singapore’s culture is considered in the station naming.
@satanslittlehelper3 Жыл бұрын
NorWest Metro Station named after NorBrick Brickworks and NorWest Business Park is the cultural death of Historic Baulkham or Balcombe Hills
@angierosie5199 Жыл бұрын
I remember getting off at Marina Bay Station to see the hotel just to be so goddamn confused because I wasn't paying attention to the signs
@CornK1172Ай бұрын
The reason why it’s not at Marina Bay is because the hotel there is called Bayfront Hotel so they named it Bayfront.
@vkittu1989 Жыл бұрын
“Train stations have been around as long as trains have been running” 😂
@MichaelTavares2 жыл бұрын
This is a really good video man and I’m surprised you dont have more views and subscribers! Just a heads up you might be getting some views and traffic from angry racist white New Zealanders who are currently upset that Māori place names are being used for new train stations. You don’t deserve that and my condolences in advance
@Peter-ev2kr2 жыл бұрын
They should have never renamed the lines. It was much easier before. Northshore meant it goes on Northshore. What does T1 even mean?
@immanuelaj2 жыл бұрын
The names aren't gone, they just added a number to them. Chances are if you talk about the lines with their name people will still understand you.
@DamageLoL Жыл бұрын
allawah being in hurstville moment if youre really going into technicalities
@mike045748 ай бұрын
Downtown mrt was put there when it was literally downtown. No marina bay or anything
@fannieng3350Ай бұрын
Just like how a non singaporean explaining stuff that singaporean know more
@rosnajulia Жыл бұрын
As a local Singapore Resident maybe you were a bit too harsh but i do respect that by a inch firstly Trian stations is more confusing like Example Farrer Park and Farrer Road the reason why it's named like this it's named by the same person something something Farrer that's why Train numbers exist and dhoby Ghaut aint named randomly it's named after the town named Dhobi but renamed to Dhoby Ghaut however i still think Syndey is good transport but regardless they kinda need to progress a bit by 2013 No Hate just ponting out
@ameowcat4387 Жыл бұрын
understandable this video was made before end 2022, but... there's THREE stations with 3 lines intersecting each other, dhoby ghaut, marina bay and outram park. are they all equally significant? no. also you claim dhoby ghaut is the "hub" of the radial system. wrong, the actual "CBD" is more centered upon the city hall and raffles place stations, which were actually planned to be given the name "central" back when they were planned in the 1980s. line network density does not correlate to actual land use significance, please recognise this...
@PM_ME_MESSIAEN_PICS Жыл бұрын
the Farrer Park one is especially confusing seeing that there are signs at Farrer Road telling you that Farrer Park is in fact elsewhere though I'm pretty sure Google was wrong for places like Boon Lay or Pioneer
@garfieldandfriends119 күн бұрын
I'm gonna stop you on Sixth Avenue station. The stations along Bukit Timah sector (Bukit Timah rd/Dunearn Road) are all at the south side along Bukit Timah road. The google maps pins it at the north near Dunearn road for some reason. The sixth avenue does makes sense here. Also, I felt you are too reliant on Google maps telling you where the central of 'district' is. Also also, look at LRT station names and you might be puzzled why the names are kinda random.
@joools1953 Жыл бұрын
If only Sydney roads were signposted more sensibly rather than a driver's nightmare.
@Peleski11 ай бұрын
I think historical cities that have undergone road straightening should have renaming. I live on one road with three names within a 5 minute walk.
@alexanderbeckmann6816 Жыл бұрын
Mac Ritchie is named after some westener
@geoffreyhansen85434 ай бұрын
What about the former Tajong Pagar KTM railway terminus?
@redtrolina45828 ай бұрын
U still know that Singapore mrt has different exits rite?
@adambrock39322 жыл бұрын
There's a station in Brisbane call bray Park but it isn't in bray Park it's in the suburb of strathpine but bray Park is actually a couple hundred metres north of bray Park
@AlphaGeekgirl Жыл бұрын
Pity the authorities naming the new Metro station in Pitt Street, Sydney (just a block from Town hall), didn’t watch this video before deciding to name it Saunders (after a person, not a location, landmark or suburb). I am not looking forward to the confusion that this will cause. 🤦🏻♀️
@raycorcoran1372 жыл бұрын
Love the video, love the logic, love the Singapore MRT. I have been using the Singapore MRT since 1988 and up to as recently as this week.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
I would've named it after the nearby Temasek Ave
@tredinnicks2 жыл бұрын
Nice work BB, you are picking some interesting topics. I'm going to fess up and admit I once ended up at Porte de Versailles on the Paris metro even though I'd been to the actual correct location for Louis' old house being Chateau rive Gauche before. Yeah, anyway. Then of course you have the ease of navigating NYC, though we could also say maybe a little boring nomenclature. One of the toughest systems I came across was in Budapest. Ok it's a lot easier now using apps, but back in the 'old' days just so hard trying to memorise station names with so many consonants and so few vowels. Keep up the good work. Of course closer to home here in Syd we still have 'Central' station. Yeah, I pity the tourists, though the place itself is about to get better. One really weird station name you might be interested in is the old 'Omega' station now disused which was between Kiama and Gerringong on the NSW South Coast. Trains used to actually stop there in the '70s. I recall still seeing the station and sign through to the late '80s. No idea why the called it that. Maybe the last place you'd want to go if you were Greek? 😆
@timtamothy512 жыл бұрын
Your inability to read Hungarian doesn't really have anything to do with their ability to name stations well 🤔
@tredinnicks Жыл бұрын
@@timtamothy51 I've got no idea what the point of your post is really, but word-to-the-unwise it's not only the native-speakers of any particular place that have to interpret, understand and occasionally remember station names: plenty of non-native speakers need to do that as well. Navigating Budapest probably is easier if you speak Hungarian and no one is asking that they change their station names to accommodate travelers. Meanwhile, back in Sydney, more than a few travellers have disembarked at Central station and expected to see something interesting. Maybe it depends on what you are looking for.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile before I visited London, I thought Tottenham Hotspur football club was named as such because its stadium (White Hart Lane) was along Tottenham Ct Rd
@geoffreyhansen85434 ай бұрын
Is there a town called Zig Zag? What at High Street station in the Hunter Valley?
@i_forgot14772 ай бұрын
Both are out of the sydney network. Zig Zag station is named after the Lithgow Zig-Zag and heritage railway. High Street station is named after the adjacent High Street in Maitland.
@flamingfrancis2 жыл бұрын
Singapore has by far the better infrastructure planning system than we do. They have always had to deal with smaller area and as a result have become much smarter. When a new area is identified for development everything is done in accordance with their Constitution and politicians don't get to play God and big note themselves. All necessary infrastructure is included.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Singapore will definitely include a bus service when developing a new public housing town but you can wait up to 40 years before its served by rail
@markzzzzberg1312 Жыл бұрын
singapore is a small city and easy to manage compared to a bigger city
@r-labs93572 жыл бұрын
Sydney's transit is probably one of the most convenient and has the best transit system in the world
@raycorcoran1372 жыл бұрын
Irony? Except for the naming problem, Singapore's MRT is far superior to Sydney's train system. I have been using the Singapore one since 1988 and up to as recently as this week. I have been using Sydney's since the 1950s and still use it 3 times a week to get into the CDB.
@r-labs93572 жыл бұрын
@@raycorcoran137 hmm, fair enoguh, my statement seems inaccurate but tell you what, sydney's transit is outstanding and will continue to innovate
@flamingfrancis2 жыл бұрын
@@r-labs9357 Sydney is not even the best in Oz. Try the brilliant systems in Perth WA.
@AlphaGeekgirl Жыл бұрын
@@raycorcoran137 Actually, it’s not ironic. You admitted yourself that you catch the train into the CBD along the same track three times a week. That’s not exactly proof that you know much about the entire system, just a small fraction of it. The mark of a good transit system is to be able to get from any point A to any Point B in the system. And I can assure you, it is indeed possible in Sydney, even though it is vastly bigger in area.
@AlphaGeekgirl Жыл бұрын
@@flamingfrancis I have. And travelling the same distance in Sydney, is significantly faster than in Perth.
@oufukubinta Жыл бұрын
I'd still rather have the Singapore rail network over our Sydney network which will take 50 years to catch-up
@dlat1825 Жыл бұрын
Marina Bay MRT --> Marina Central MRT Marina South MRT --> Marina Mall South MRT Farrer Road MRT --> Farrer Gallop MRT Farrer Park MRT -> Farrer Park East MRT Clarke Quay MRT --> Clarke Quay South MRT Paya Lebar MRT --> Paya Lebar Sims MRT Pioneer MRT --> Pioneer North MRT Boon Lay MTR --> Boon Lay Interchange MRT You're welcome Singapore :)
@rosnajulia Жыл бұрын
I do agree with the Farrer and Marina but seriously theyre still build a mall at Marina South well i would change eh Marina bay and Marina South pier i think Marina South pier should shut down and There's one Pioneer one Boon lay there was originally gonna be a Upper paya lebar however named to Lorong Chuan so i don't think that's necessary anyways regards my opinion the marina and Farrer confusions should be agreed but for the others Edit: Btw LTA aint gonna respond anyway and they're still keeping name changes whatsoever like they ignore the community to preserve buses
@jasontempest4233 Жыл бұрын
Singapore has nothing on Mexico City (CDMX)... CDMX names it's metro stations after famous Mexicans, Historical Places and Events. You can imagine how confusing this is to the non-Spanish speaking tourist. Still I love CDMX.
@Pinkyearlgrey2 жыл бұрын
Quite a lazy video. The stations are named based on the surrounding area and it's history, and definitely not based on any private establishments in the area i.e. Esplanade > Esplanade Theatres, Marina Bay > Marina Bay Sands etc.
@Rubycon99 Жыл бұрын
Sydney get's a point from me for having a station named "Emu Plains"
Hawkesbury River is in the township of Hawkesbury River; not Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a few km back up the road.
@democracymanifest8256 Жыл бұрын
I lived in Berowra and then Central Coast for 40 years. Been to Brooklyn plenty of times. First I’ve heard of a Hawkesbury River township. I’m going to suggest you’re wrong on this. That’s all Brooklyn and there’s no Hawkesbury River “township”.
@ozzyclark71452 жыл бұрын
It's called Olympic Park only because it's better to be simplified
@lunareunlar2 жыл бұрын
i would like to know who actually takes the piss with the occasionally "nonsensical" naming of the mrt
@afropenguin2 жыл бұрын
Good video, But I'm going to have to defend Hawksbury River, as it services Brooklyn & Danger island, (danger island beinf the one of the only populated island in the river). growing up in Turrumurra my high school used to have kids coming from Danger island and Brooklyn, and as it's at the far East of Brooklyn it dosnt really serve Brooklyn all to well.
@Rubycon99 Жыл бұрын
"Danger Island" That's awesome
@azmanntoz Жыл бұрын
@@Rubycon99 its actually Dangar not Danger lol
@PCLoadLetter2 жыл бұрын
What suburb is Bondi Junction station in? Last I checked, it’s in Waverley.
@marcnut19962 жыл бұрын
The suburb boundaries were realigned in 2003 so the station is now in Bondi Junction
@yvrelna Жыл бұрын
Can anyone elaborate further on why Tan Kah Kee MRT can't be named Hwa Chong MRT?
@farrenlee3314 Жыл бұрын
To summarise: Tan Kah Kee played a fairly impt role in Singapore's education system. In the area ard Hwa Chong there isnt an important/good symbol/road to name a stn after. The Govt let the public choose a name for the stn and hwa chong alumni voted to name it after the founder
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
@@farrenlee3314 Actually I read that some netizens complained that the gov't was being biased in favour of Hwa Chong Institution, & wanted the station to retain its original name of Duchess (named after the nearby Duchess Rd) instead
@isaacfung6222 жыл бұрын
Just wonder, where are you from?
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
9:50 I think Singapore ran out of names when they named Downtown station, since its in land that's reclaimed only within the last 50 years. I also think that the Downtown MRT Line that serves it is in turn named after that station. Alternatively I think the station could've been named after Clifford Pier to the north, & its MRT line as the Bukit Line, since it also served Bukit Panjang, Bukit Timah & Kaki Bukit 12:45 I remember _Dhoby Ghaut_ means "washing place" in Hindi, & there used to be many Indian laundrymen operating in that area previously On a side note I would've renamed the upcoming Choa Chu Kang W station _Lam San_ as its a more unique name also given to a nearby expressway flyover, & I think this name came from a former road or village (before that area was part reclaimed by forest & part replaced by higher-density public housing suburbs. Renaming the station as such would help protect the name from being forgotten in history). Same goes for other stations like Tampines W -> _Bumbun_ , Tampines N -> _Hun Yeang_ , Expo -> _Gulega_ , Admiralty -> _Mok Peng Hiang_ (I got the former roads & villages' names from here: www.onemap.gov.sg/hm/ & mapcarta.com) On the bright side, such names have been preserved in LRT stations' names e.g. _Cheng Lim_ There're also other stations I'd think of renaming so as to better publicise names that're still in use but more obscure e.g. Serangoon N -> _Hwi Yoh_ , Braddell -> _Boon Teck_ , Lakeside -> _Lanchar _ E
@adambrock39322 жыл бұрын
What about stratfield station it's in 2 suburbs stratfield and concord
@BuildingBeautifully2 жыл бұрын
No it's not haha
@adambrock39322 жыл бұрын
@@BuildingBeautifully it is actually it's in both strathfield and concord
@adambrock39322 жыл бұрын
@@BuildingBeautifully go look it up on the maps
@flamingfrancis2 жыл бұрын
@@adambrock3932 I can assure you that the location of the station has bot changed in at least 70 years but in all probability suburban politicial boundaries have.
@adambrock39322 жыл бұрын
@@flamingfrancis yeah they probably have I remember going to strathfield in 2008and concord was on the platform 1 side of the station
@galaxyfarrahway Жыл бұрын
Its only recently that Sydney has tried to erase Kings Cross and make it all Potts Point to make it more desirable as they redevelop Kings Cross.
@xinguoma1760 Жыл бұрын
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
@jumpinallans2 жыл бұрын
Would much rather have more frequent trains with poorly named stations, than well-names stations with 15 minute frequency in peak hour. #justsaying
@BuildingBeautifully2 жыл бұрын
Haha okay that's fair
@akmalkausaralhafiz7989 ай бұрын
Stop calling my City worse
@arthurwatts1680 Жыл бұрын
The difference is that you can get off a train in Singapore with a very high likelihood of making it to your destination without being assaulted. Even Bangkok feels safer at midnight than Sydney - as much as I loved growing up in a city with so much to do, the idiot brigade ruined a great city.
@lzh4950 Жыл бұрын
Government supporters in Singapore will meanwhile use that to argue why we shouldn't have freedom of speech
@arthurwatts1680 Жыл бұрын
@@lzh4950 I get that - I don't have the answer but for all our freedom of speech here in Australia, we should also be able to walk the streets at night. Many claim our crime stats are a media beatup - it's all the 6-oclock news until it happens to you.
@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Жыл бұрын
*BORING!* 🙂
@PrasadWimalasiri2 жыл бұрын
Dhoby Ghat has historical relevance to the area; so for local, they do mean something; check out the wikipedia entry for the name en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhoby_Ghaut_MRT_station#Location_and_name
@kevineadie1719 Жыл бұрын
The naming of stations in Sydney has just (November 2022) reached the last straw in stupidity. The former railway station at Rydalmere has been re-named "Yallamundi" as the station has been converted for use by light rail vehicles, starting in 2023/4. 1 - The name is misleading, confusing, time-wasting, and totally useless for way-finding purposes, the primary requirement, surely, of any place name. 2 - There are already myriad aboriginal place names in NSW, satisfactorily referencing the state's aboriginal heritage. 3 - My computer spell-check doesn't like it which wastes my time. 4 - I assume the new name does not appear on any historical maps or associated documents, which just makes research of any kind more difficult. 5 - ANY place name which uses double letters (ll, in this case) invites entry errors when using today's electronic devices - more time wasting! 6 - The Geographical Names Board is responsible for the new name. It needs to be held responsible for its failures and its arrogance. It doesn't even know where the station is, referring to the location of the adjacent university as being in "Parramatta South"! Complaints to the GNB can be made to - SS-GNB@customerservice.nsw.gov.au
@brianmackenzie5692 Жыл бұрын
Whilst the GNB maintains the policy of naming and advocates what names can be approved, the names are offered by the relevant Council (or Government agency).