Restoring the 70’s Heavy Equipment | Quinn Cat

[@TechGorilla1987]

I said this once before and I am going to say it again - your audio recording (considering you film outside in construction zones) is absolutely pristine. Not a shred of wind noise. No LOUD music that makes me dive for the volume button. No stupid opening or closing on the videos. Just great information recorded in a VERY professional manor. I'll probably still be here when you hit your first million subs. Whoever maintains the audio levels in the final edit deserves a raise and should consult with a LOT of the larger channels to get their audio under control - I'm looking at you HeavyD Sparks - your audio is a$$.

[@AaronWitt]

much appreciated!!

[@malcolmmckinlay2143]

Agree

[@ethan12313]

Agreed

[@danhammond8406]

Now the machines will be down all the time with def issues

[@TechGorilla1987]

DEF is one of the most corrosive liquids ever. I used to install and maintain DEF systems. Every fitting, screw or part needs to be either plastic or medical-grade stainless fittings. Anything else will be destroyed in short order. It also creates SHARP crystals that will slice you right open.

[@robertandrade246]

Not when you know what you’re doing.

[@Peterbilt359]

I own 18 some old some new. We always have 1 down for def.

[@Sdukes001]

Facts

[@MJ-it8ru]

@@robertandrade246 it's an undisputable fact that machines with these emissions systems are far less reliable than machines without them. Doesn't matter if you know what you're doing or not. They break down constantly

[@brianburdine4620]

Good video. The gentleman with CAT forgot to mention that a large portion of the repower to T4 Final is implemented & payed for by the EPA. I can guarantee you the customer isn’t too thrilled to have an extra thousand wires & 30 sensors added to the machine!!

[@johnmitchell1614]

Understood completely! What a lot of specialist shit to go wrong there eh?

[@TheUnknown-mg8fv]

Anything involving with gov are getting raped from left to right millions lose that isn't the correct price to fix it and emissions is all a scam

[@rknudson1407]

its awesome that they give new life to old equipment, instead of cutting them up for scrap for new.. I do miss seeing those 60-70's graders and wheel loaders with the classic "C" cat logos

[@larryemery1554]

You need to get it right California is the only state that requires stuff to be converted to meet EPA standards them scrapers are legal in any other state to run the EPA does not require a vehicle that was produced before the emissions upgrades to be upgraded

[@zack9912000]

CA is a failed state. So glad i moved.when i did

[@adrianspeeder]

Facts. "Upgrade" is a loose term here. Only going to make money for the service trucks and this dealer.

[@jason_l5p]

He just doesn’t know what he is talking about

[@cottonwood4935]

I also do not believe the statement " the exhaust is cleaner than the air coming in"

[@jason_l5p]

@@cottonwood4935 yeah. That is just straight up wrong on every level. I’m not sure how someone could even say that….

[@GICK117]

Your videos are fun to watch for sure. We retired from and moved out of Southern California because developers were developing everything they could put a tractor near. The crowds and taxes and costs are ridiculous to deal with. If you want to do anything fun, you do it with millions of others wanting to do the same thing the same day. Traffic? Forget about it. Peace and tranquility? It doesn't exist.

[@AaronWitt]

I'm glad you enjoy them thank you for watching!

[@TechGorilla1987]

I used to work for a smaller CAT dealer in central PA. I was a part of the construction aggregate division and worked on portable Metso and Nordburg rock crushers. That CAT dealer is MASSIVE!

[@AaronWitt]

awesome!!

[@D8PETE]

Great video Aaron. Very interesting and informative. Thank you to Quinn and Sukut for showing a portion of what goes on during their daily course of business.

[@AaronWitt]

Thank you for watching I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@sirworkalot4990]

Did you ever think the flatter you make the area the faster the wind moves the faster it dries out. And I live in the Appalachian Mountains, we build houses anywhere. We dig basements to anchor into the hillsides.

[@anthonyhumbert8787]

3:31 the big round horizontal piece is the intake air filter housing. 3:58 The gray vertical tube is the air intake. The exhaust filter or dpf is to the right under the hood.

[@thumperjdm]

Great video. That old Cat @18:00 with a brand-new in-house fabricated ROPS is amazing.

[@EdmontonRails]

We as a society need to recognize that the 80's and 90's were the future. Everything designed, built and done during that time will never be matched now. We need to recognize the perfection that is equipment from that era and not destroy it.

[@nick4506]

Cat is just not building new stuff quick enough to support the demand. It's not that these old machines are being rebuilt because they are so good but because they are forced to.

[@HarrisPropertyMaintenance]

I was born in 2002 and I couldn’t agree more, last generation of equipment that you could work on effectively without fancy technology

[@AlexMcNZ]

Absolutely!! Personally I think we Absolutely peaked in 2005, it's been downhill ever since.

[@martymorse2]

Just take a look at Central Illinois. Things have slowed way down for this part of the State and Caterpillar. I lived here when the Russian oil line was dropped overnight. It was always eerie driving through Peoria and seeing half built factories. Most of the concrete pads and steel were in place. The failure of the Russians in Afghanistan, along with Reagan wanting nothing to do with the Russians, other than to drop the wall. You nailed it when you said the 80-90's were our greatest years of this nation. Let's hope there are a lot more people like Aaron not willing to accept that fact.

[@joshuabrown2543]

True

[@chaselyons31]

These videos just get better and better! The team working on these are so lucky, what a gig!

[@AaronWitt]

Ugh

[@jrob3047]

@@AaronWitt 😂

[@StephensCustomModels]

I'm so happy to see old machines getting refit for work.

[@TOPTECH-r3r]

The strength and durability of these machines are unmatched.

[@damienwalker1026]

Nailed it. Do more of these vids.

[@rpier8357]

Any word on the ruling from the Supreme Court making it illegal for the EPA to in force DEF or regen?

[@Ccrider2220]

I’m from central California, love to see something like this closer to home.

[@Tyler-ed1bt]

Eric spot on with 4 hours of sleep, 3 monsters, and radio turned to max

[@burtbrooks7731]

We got a huge kawasucki loader that’s been retro fitted with the new emission bull crap. This thing has such a huge dpf filter on top of the engine compartment you can’t see anything backing up I hate it!!

[@c.w.frerking]

The way those guys make everything work for the repower is cool but that's the only cool thing about putting emissions compliant engines in those old machines, they should be snorting fire and blowing smoke

[@Metagross555]

Engines also lose horsepower over time

[@c.w.frerking]

@@Metagross555 oh I understand that but that's where an overhaul comes into play unless you window the block

[@brockwaymt]

I hope they're selling the old engines to people who can use them and not destroying them.

[@plazatowing]

Well made! Cool to see you in California

[@AaronWitt]

thanks for watching!

[@Coleman2171]

Definitely Sukut Equipment Parts & Rentals machines running on that jobsite

[@Scotth527]

good work guys its cool to see how everyone else around the country operates

[@crazygn0me67]

Scrapers are the best to run. Awesome video

[@wesleyfranzen6675]

Awesome video - would love to see more videos similar to this

[@AaronWitt]

glad you enjoyed it!!

[@mcspikesky]

Great piece, learnt a bunch. Really nice to see old machines getting freshened up and put back into service

[@scottbaker1018]

No when they are throwing that emissions trash on them.CARB SUCKS Commiefornia is the poison of the USA

[@AaronWitt]

glad to hear you enjoyed it thank you

[@redmesa2975]

I saw a scraper working on I-5 south of Santa Nella last year. It was rolling coal out the pipe lol

[@raymondgochenour8725]

Enjoyed video thanks for taking the time to do it

[@wadeeubanks8435]

I do agricultural landforming for a living. We use CAT 965MT tractors pulling two dirt pans apiece that range from 20 to 24 yards per bucket. A little different setup but same concept. We put fields to grade and build the field roads up around them.

[@TrentSiggard]

0:24 those sound FX came in HOT because i had adjusted my speakers for the intro music. Please, editors, do a final pass on sound mixing.

[@AaronWitt]

we'll keep fine tuning things thank you I appreciate you watching

[@kennethbyington516]

Now this is interesting and very informative 👏 If I was spending all that $$$$ on rebuild. I totally would have Modern Cab. Smh

[@AaronWitt]

thanks for watching

[@robertandreoli9764]

Awesome video Aaron love the scrapers

[@AaronWitt]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@rageridersrx]

great video but what a stupid world we live in when were repowering with emissions engines

[@gabrielbertoliniwissenbach797]

Such a stupid world, I sure wished that my future kids would live in a world with extreme pollution and global warming

[@QUARRYLIFE14]

This is wicked cool more videos like this definitely

[@AaronWitt]

stoked you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching

[@davidneufeld8328]

You should check out the Westmoreland mine in Estevan, Saskatchewan, Canada. They use multiple draglines and they don't reclaim the land at least they didn't in the past. This results in a very interesting landscape that is just thousands of small hills left behind by the line.

[@AaronWitt]

interesting I'll look into it thanks David

[@dgdaner]

They are south of town but I think what is north of town is reclaimed. Looked good last I was up there but it's been a few years. The power plant there would be a neat tour also. Have to watch for the big haul trucks crossing the road when driving up from ND.

[@91008357dw]

It's a lot of complaining going on in the comment section!coming from a southern California native I'm just glad to see that these machines are still up and running and not scrapped or abandoned sitting in a field somewhere just rotting away.I've passed near Quinn dealer a few times and the rebuilded machines look badazz,fresh new yellow paint,brand new tires and a new heart/motor to continue to run the Golden state these classic machines still have a long time to run!best of all you still can hear the turbochargers in these motors....just be glad they aren't electric to where you can't hear anything but metal clinging and banging!

[@chriswright8074]

Nope bad for the environmental

[@91008357dw]

@@chriswright8074 are you agreeing or disagreeing?

[@timmytucker6902]

The scraper is the sickest machine ever. My favorite by far wish it could be my daily driver 😂

[@robertpeacher4237]

Enjoy the videos, stumbled upon this one. Actually work for Quinn Cat as a Technician, just not at The Mothership (The name of city of industry's location) for a few years now.

[@AaronWitt]

That’s awesome glad you found us. Hopefully we cross paths one day

[@NotSureJoeBauers]

This was a really cool episode

[@AaronWitt]

thanks for watching!!

[@1farmer608]

Eric Jumper, the golf ball wizard, is always hilarious and a great addition to the buildwitt team.

[@AaronWitt]

I don't even know why he's the golf ball wizard

[@josecervantes4377]

Thanks for the video Aaron!! That was me and my partner in that video. Didn’t realize who you were until lunch time when we saw we made it to your snap chat hahaha! Thanks again!

[@AaronWitt]

right on!!! Great to see you guys and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully we're back soon

[@MikeT-TheRetiredColonel]

Those pics you took as the scrapers went by then included what they looked like in the video were amazing, esp the first one @6:25 and the others were cool as well - wish I had those for my desktop background :) Great stuff, new sub because who as kid didn't love playing with their Tonka trucks, esp if you grew up in the late 60s/early 70s?

[@simonwilkinson2133]

That's super cool. Repowering old gear. Everyone knows the older stuff is built tougher... Now friendly to the turtles! My question tho, being a mechanic and working predominantly with CAT gear would be do QUIN CAT update SIS with a repowered option when looking up parts and other service documents? Could be a hell of a trauma for the guys in the field doing subsequent repair work on a repowered machine with superceded documentation!

[@challengecompleted55]

CAT is usually damn good about documentation and parts support. The biggest issue I see is just the unreliable SCR systems themselves. They almost seem like they're designed to make tech's hair fall out and the unknowing masses feel better about themselves while letting the real polluters run scot free.

[@Rebelgamer-1111]

Thank God that mandate is only in Cali and not where I'm at in Indiana

[@austindraper5887]

Turning good running machines to machines that won’t run after 1 year

[@blauer2551]

Creating more work for themselves back at the dealership

[@zack9912000]

@@blauer2551 Crooked government as usual

[@danhammond8406]

Now they will be down with def issues all the time. Lots of work or the techs

[@smathet7766]

Basically turning into junk

[@knuttsackjones3094]

Gotta love Commiefornia

[@philiptraylor2182]

But whole point of old equipment is no emissions!!!!! It must suck to work in California

[@JMLoll]

There's more to it than that! They're saving millions of dollars, and breathing new life into what they have on hand. I like the resourcefulness.

[@clydeacor1911]

@@JMLoll they'd be saving millions more by just leaving the good reliable engine that it came with in it, not to mention it wouldn't need to be repaired nearly as often.

[@JMLoll]

@@clydeacor1911 How do you know that? I'm sure it would need more and more repairs with increasing age.

[@clydeacor1911]

@@JMLoll it's like semi truck engines, I have a pre emissions truck and I can rebuild the whole engine for less money than what it costs to replace just the emissions system on these newer engines and the emissions systems are not just known for failure but the engines don't last as long either.

[@adrianspeeder]

@@JMLoll Wrong. DPFs and DEF contraptions cause more problems than anything older that run fine.

[@jjseibert]

They run all types of scrapers everywhere in the United States, your assertion that they only run them in California is assanine. They also repower the same machines at other locations.

[@AaronWitt]

they do but not even close to the numbers they run in California. Other than a few other markets like Denver, big scraper spreads like the ones in California aren't common

[@91008357dw]

Obviously this guy has never been to socal,I've traveled to multiple states and they do not run as many scrapers as they do in Southern California and that's facts!

[@donnyjohnson2229]

Great video, Aaron. Really hit home when you were sitting in the old cab and turned the camera to the new motor. Aaron, do you have a KZbin video biography? Just wondering what made you do interested in heavy equipment. Thanks!

[@AaronWitt]

We need to put a new one together. We will work on it. I appreciate you watching Donny!

[@gradyyokeley9930]

I really liked the program on the Toyota battery plant. I'm from Winston-Salem NC and would love to see another program on the progress that's been done up to now my

[@stacimccarter531]

Why did no one bring up reliability vs the old? Keep saying up grade and wiring sensers dpf? Old pans didnt break and were reliable. I dont c this as an upgrade for reliability!

[@markbickelhaupt4414]

Aaron, Excellent video! California is a different place. All the money to move so much dirt. And then the earth moves by itself, by earthquake. All the big old scrapers must be moving west to handle all this work. The info about the slope blade on the dozer was interesting. I always thought that California dozers were the only ones with slope blades. Now I know for sure. And the LA County Fire Grader was a great catch! Love the LA County FD Cat equipment! Like no other Cat Fire equipment anywhere else. Keep up the great work!👍👍👍

[@AaronWitt]

thanks for watching Mark!

[@jaredidler9378]

Lots of outfits here in Alberta still running old gear, 621G, 637K etc...now, repower to meet emissions, hmm no, let that old 3412 and 3306 block out the sun.

[@IronDan93]

All that earth moved my guys jacked up on monster energy who probably only had 4hrs of sleep lastnight. Sounds like the industry in Alberta Canada 😅

[@floydwilliams3321]

Pretty impressive

[@donsager4601]

Hey Aaron, any chance of a LA CO FD. Vlog of the depts Cat fleet. Thanks for what you do man.

[@AaronWitt]

I'd love to cover them one of these days. Thanks so much for following along!!

[@chasevollbrecht8085]

Granted it's nice to see old iron working but adding def and extra bs aint good

[@anthonyalbillar-montez5946]

I love you Aaron Aaron Witt.

[@jdaz5462]

Scraper driver requirements: Must be willing to drive in circles all day, every day.

[@josh33025]

The biggest scrapper I've ever run was a 615 paddle scrapper. Around here now on the east coast it's just end dumps and hoes.

[@austint7533]

Of course it’s California. I knew as soon as I heard “emissions”.

[@zack9912000]

cheaper to just leave CA

[@keegankent4402]

Curious what them repowers cost? Certainly cheaper then a new machine. But it’s sad these guys are being forced into doing this to machinery that is decades old and proven themselves to be reliable and reasonable to work on. No secret emissions aren’t cheap to work on and not always the most reliable.

[@AaronWitt]

not cheap but a lot cheaper than buying a new machine + the government pays for a big portion of it

[@zack9912000]

cheaper to move out of the hell hole the is CA

[@Handycrap]

Govt paying for it equals tax payers paying for it, lets not forget the govt is funded and fueled by tax payers

[@michaelmaas5544]

@@Handycrap I think a lot of people don’t get that.

[@robertandrade246]

They’re very reliable if you know what you’re doin.

[@bobg3034]

Nice job!

[@nickjones6747]

It is also a lot easier to put someone in a scraper and say follow the guy in front of you and do what he does. There is very little thinking involved. The 57’s are the only ones worth having. No one is going to buy a 27 or 37 when you can buy a quad track with double 21 yard scrapers for much cheaper. You can a 620hp tractor put a push block on it and load them just as fast and much cheaper than a d9 or 10. That’s why you don’t see new scrapers. Also nobody with half a brain wants to run one when they can sit in a tractor that’s a lot smoother and just nicer to run.

[@AaronWitt]

I see a lot of newer scrapers haha no one runs tractors out west. They work great in softer conditions in the midwest / south though

[@nickjones6747]

The company I work for only uses hoe’s and side dumps and haul trucks. We work with the scraper company a lot and I am this week. I asked the owner of the scraper company this morning his opinion. He basically said the same thing as I did. He sold his last 4 27’s last week. He had 50 of them. There is still a place for 57’s but not any smaller. The $py is way less. 1 A quad with double 25’s hauls way more than a 27 or 37 obviously. 2 A quad is way cheaper. 3 A quad uses a lot less fuel 4 operators like them a lot more than a scraper. 5 The service is faster because there a a lot more mechanics. 6 You can pull huge rollers and disc with them. Should I keep going or are you starting to figure it out?

[@alexboon5321]

Awesome video as usual, you'd think they add a cab to them while they were at it seeing as they are up dating everything else.

[@AaronWitt]

Thanks for watching. It’s an option but obviously they didn’t opt for it haha

[@konackt]

Does the fuel consumption go up as well as the maintenance costs?

[@smathet7766]

You betcha the maintenance costs are going to go through the roof

[@truckdriver3126]

Diesel particulate filters burn diesel during regen... however the new engines are probably more efficient.

[@ZlllX]

Overall Fuel consumption goes down even after after adding DEF consumption to overall. HP and torque are increased.

[@tomhogan264]

Slope blades are used in Idaho

[@infernoking7504]

Well at least there using old equipment even if it means getting rid of the reliable old engines

[@mitchellbliss3828]

"today we're going to show you this insanely complex project that would take any TV show a full 1-hour episode to explain and produce in an effective, interesting way..." shows 13 seconds of sunglasses dude Aaron standing in front of a machine, some B-roll of them riding 8 deep in a 2 door truck and holding a camera, taking pictures of machinery..... "Tune in next week, we're in Australia to do this again.." LOL

[@AaronWitt]

glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching

[@SanitizeR_OW]

Nicely done. Liked the addition of details. Dirt nerds rejoice! Would love to know the cost for the following - 1. The rebuild of that D-series dozer that ended up in the ocean. 2. How much is a repower of one of the graders?

[@AaronWitt]

thank you!! Usually full rebuilds are around 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of a new machine

[@SanitizeR_OW]

@@AaronWitt awesome, thanks for the update. Gotta say, unless all new controls and the cab is upgraded to the latest standard too, I'd consider getting new, if it was going to get tons of usage. I do love the fact CAT basically recycles old equipment to run in today's landscape though. That's a good option for folks who can't buy machines new or recently used.

[@garretmctavish2953]

I wonder if California considers all of the emissions involved in replacing and repowering older equipment in order to meet emissions standards. It’s not like it all happens in a vacuum. I’d be very surprised if it actually winds up as a net reduction in emissions.

[@stevengiles346]

How long does the conversion take and how much does it cost to make the scrapers compliant?

[@ClaytonWillisMusic]

Do they upgrade the seat for the operators?

[@AaronWitt]

depends on how much they want to spend. They can but sometimes they don't

[@jeffbryda5789]

Some obvious questions: what's the cost difference between a new machine and a repower? How long does it typically take for a repower?

[@scotabot7826]

Southern California earth is some of the easiest material to move, hence mostly scrapers for the job!!

[@AaronWitt]

yep it's awesome

[@MrJimsparky]

How many Hundred thousand dollars spent for repower, But keep open canopy

[@91008357dw]

You must not be from Southern California....🤷

[@rickallen8126]

Glad I don't live and work in California my machine is a 06 I would have to sale .....and do something diff

[@acox3527]

Ahh Pomona CA I grew up and lived in Diamond Bar I still remember when the night stalker was running around.

[@travisstonehouse4932]

Is that 651 CA Rasmussens? Love those old 651s. CA Rasmussen inc is a great California old school company 💪💪✌️

[@AaronWitt]

yep

[@larrybaker5113]

I am recently retired Peterson cat please say hi to Chris D’Amore Quinn Part Manage. You will get a laugh from him when you Mention my name I really like how clean the main shop and equipment yard is

[@AaronWitt]

that's fantastic!! Peterson is top notch too!

[@tysonthompson3661]

What engines are they installing in the 57's?

[@djgraph404]

The J.AAR shirt surprised me. They are a local company.

[@AaronWitt]

they sent us some swag a while back. Great folks!!

[@safaq8]

Great content but the editing could be better. To the video editor: Please next time make sure to level the voice to be a bit higher, and the music is very loud compared to the voices. And do some color corrections, some shots are low contrast such as @ 9:15 To the camera man: Please take more beauty shots especially when they mention something, it would be great if I we can see glimpse of what they are talking about.

[@AaronWitt]

thanks for watching and for the feedback

[@jasonlandon4092]

Nice GBI sticker on your hard hat 🙂

[@AaronWitt]

yeah buddy!!

[@headfirst6227]

Fun fact: Recontouring the landscape isn’t free and the potential homeowner is paying for it.

[@chalinp4886]

How

[@headfirst6227]

@@chalinp4886 Should be obvious. The cost of the lot.

[@clydeacor1911]

Basically they're taking a reliable and dependable machine that requires very little maintenance as far as the engine goes and making these companies spend enormous amounts of money to make them unreliable and not dependable that will require a lot of downtime for repairs while spending even more money just to keep them going. Sounds like they're taking something that was an awesome piece of equipment and turning it into a POS. There's very few places on this earth that requires these emissions and yet they think that a handful are going to make a difference. All of these big equipment manufacturers still make non-emission equipment for not only all of these other countries but even for our military and other government agencies, good enough for us but not our government. That should tell you everything you need to know.

[@marilynhansen3337]

why the new [[[rops (roll over protection structure)]]] on the cat scrapers?

[@jimsvideos7201]

I wonder how many of the firms operating this would gladly buy something bigger.

[@generationll]

How far off the 10 were you?657E & 651E were introduced in 1984.Did you run into another youtuber named SoCalEarthmovers out there?He is always putting up there cat scraper videos.Sukut Construction has had 657G prototypes on their jobs before it was even introduced.Peed has repowered 657s out there

[@JRT909]

So are they only doing this to machines that need a rebuild or how does that work ? If there’s 651Bs out there still running with the original engine would it be allowed to run until it needs a rebuild then they would update it to tier 4 final or are they pulling running equipment off sites

[@AaronWitt]

Starting next year they won’t allow them to run anymore

[@JRT909]

@@AaronWitt that’s wild. Already expensive Cali is going to become even more pricey. Cost to pull and retro fit all that equipment is going to be enormous. Cost per yard is sure to increase. Increasing cost to develop. Be interesting to see the back log of equipment being retro fitted. Will keep the equipment manufacturers busy. Hopefully global supply of parts can keep up.

[@rickfehrenback3851]

Arron do you remember where in Pomona this jobsite is at? Love these type of videos.

[@josecervantes4377]

It’s actually in Wallnut CA on valley Blvd.

[@clayton5421]

If it’s not broke don’t mess with it. Taking a bullet proof machine the operates for hrs and hrs with engine problems. I bet the first week the machine broke down waiting on EPA parts.

[@Rikvdham]

Do they also get upgraded cabs and controlls?

[@AaronWitt]

they can but oftentimes no. Depends on what the customer wants

[@Legotruck82]

All that money spent, and all it gets is an external FOPS/ROPS over the old open cab? The noise/dust/heat from the engine must be appauling, surely there's an enclosed cab option to protect the operator a bit more?

[@whats_in_thename8699]

Nice videos. You definitely have a lot of knowledge and terminology to learn but you will get better and better. Scrapers rarely move at 30mph btw, maybe half of that lol

[@kurtseidel8742]

damn good video gentlemen

[@mattshell7753]

Thanks very good video

[@AaronWitt]

thanks Matt!

[@delvingoddard2359]

Great videos

[@AaronWitt]

thanks Delvin

[@user-ce7bj4rk8r]

Only in California would we someone be ADDING emissions to a machine. I feel bad for those mechanics.

[@robertandrade246]

Its really not that difficult. At first its very intimidating, but then it gets very easy.