Built of Memory and Hope: The Sacred City of Abydos, Egypt

Do you know what part of Osiris' body fell into the Nile?
Find out as Dr. Joseph Wegner discusses his research at the site of Abydos. This talk is part of the Great Sites Lecture Series at Penn Museum.

[@dianakeen4934]

In these lockdown days, we are so lucky to have these wonderful lectures. An absolute joy to all lovers of Ancient Egypt.

[@dienovandale4299]

Yeah , you must love fiction !

[@TheScimitar2]

@@dienovandale4299 Like you have a better version...

[@DTMcgaffeny]

Beautiful, Auser represents the founding fathers of Kemet. Good job bro!

[@fool1shmortal]

I’m glad he shot down the ancient aliens myth. Funny how creationism is laughed off, but people seemed to seriously consider ancient aliens as an alternative. It may just be they didn’t have smartphones and computers to rely too much upon that damper the creativity and genius of future great builders. Religion inspires great works as well, and that is bring more and more written off. We just project our laziness and mediocrity upon the early civilizations.

[@beebop7442]

great talks, thanks

[@RamomarNY]

Thank you.

[@fool1shmortal]

Is Abydos related to Appolyon, Abbadon, etc. or did western archaeologists spell how we spell Abdjus now as some word that sounds close enough to one they were familiar with?

[@carolea7158]

Abydos sounds like it's Greek. At least the "os" part sounds like it has Greek influence. I don't think we know how the vowels were from Ancient Egyptian writing and so I imagine multiple variations of the first part could be valid.

[@jackbailey7037]

The 'tomb robbers' were often officials or persons of power. They knew who was buried and where, so it wasn't difficult to locate and rob the old tombs. When the first tombs were made, gold was not yet considered to be money. Hundreds of years later, when gold was accepted as 'money', the state got the bright idea to rob all the tombs to pay for present needs.

[@JB-wt7mu]

Do any of the mummies you mention have blond or red hair?

[@carolebrown-gambino2283]

2009 and no lapel mic !

[@SandroM_]

How does one alter these carvings? How are these manipulated, seems like that's the typical defense e as to not speaking about lost technology

[@pennylockhart4761]

There is nothing new under the sun

[@peterbracchi3871]

Can you help me understand how they cut those big blocks and how they transported them and how they're so perfectly shaped?

[@ShannaNL]

They cut the blocks by bashing them out with granite rocks. The blocks are transported by boat. The blocks are shaped by chiseling them carefully, with overseers marking the parts that needed to be grinded down in the final fase.

[@bobwilson7684]

@@ShannaNL no

[@ShannaNL]

@@bobwilson7684 whahahaha Don't only go to the aliens sites, mate. Educate yourself for a change. Bloody idiot.

[@xpg8752]

​@bobwilson7684 okay aliens then

[@JessiBell_Valo2120]

​@@ShannaNL How did you come to that conclusion when the actual archeologists can't understand or agree how it was done ?

[@dnifty1]

Ausar (Osiris) is shown as the ancestor of kingship by being a representation of the nature of plant growth and nature's regenerative force as the basis for agriculture which is the basis of kingship and the civilization. Also Set is nothing more than the ying to Ausars yang, they are opposites and represent dueling poles of energy in constant motion. Auset (Isis) and Ausar represent the reproductive power of nature as Isis symbolizes mother nature and to complete the trinity you have Heru (horus - the hero) which is the divine seed or the rebirth from the masculine and feminine principle in nature. Also note that these ancient towns are now desert but back then they would have been much more green indicating the Nile river and flood plain was once much wider than today (plus ancient irrigation)

[@Pidxr]

I always wonder how a fully intact mummy tomb would smell

[@nafezqanadilo8317]

Wonder how could they see in these dark tombs. Where there any lanterns inside those under ground chambers?

[@queenbeedat8726]

That's the mystery dice los would have left soot on the roof where there isn't any. A theory is that they used what us called the Baghdad battery with some kind of light source.

[@abydosfahd]

good good

[@DoubleHarmony22]

Examination of the myth cannot be decoupled from the engineering required to surface the myth. critical analysis of the building techniques required to build these “mortuary” complexes would lend one to examine the mythology as more than meets the eye. Good technical analysis but misses the essence of the culture. Also the names of the 9 were all Greek in origin. Probably should be announced in a scholarly lecture.

[@minuterepeater2257]

@ 01.07 it doesnt look like a tomb to me, where are the religious texts and symbols.

[@maikmost8589]

??????

[@johnwalker1553]

The Book of Gates behind this double sided old Megalithic Polygon passage is a different kind of icon Hieroglyphs made from some different quality the oldest one with the monkeys one monkey is looking to become this (eye of horus or maybe a Pineal Gland to be a "something better creature?") each one the eye and the Monkey are on a significant podium. This Hieroglyphs seems are made on quarry time a amazing high quality like a puzzle Picture fits to other like Lego Stones. other hieroglyphs looks like color drawings on the Polygon module cycle they are younger in the time. The old forecast is different looks like the basement is a older Building but it could be the ground before some Building was made there. The temple was build at a later age. The problem is c14 isn't working on granite you can't take a age determination if Builders move the 70 To Granite stones from the Aswan Quarry 200 Km to Abydos.

[@kolokamari]

they did not consider FISH as a whole as taboo it was a specific FISH it was the Catfish

[@maikmost8589]

Sometimes it helps to listen. He did not say they saw fish as taboo but as dirty hence they eat fish but dont use it for offerings and had to "pure" it before eating.

[@isrealisreal3168]

Africa

[@oldparts6554]

At 8:00 why, do you think this is real?

[@DiruSorrow]

The Joseph Wegner bloke is cool! 8D American accent xDD

[@graememurdoch7206]

Why " unfortunate "?

[@queenbeedat8726]

What the hell is going on with the sound?

[@movievaudeville]

I think he's walking away from the mic on the lectern to point at things on his slides. Better to have a clip-on lavaliere mic.

[@streetscholar2276]

The crown went to the nysut biti ...it's not pharaoh...

[@dienovandale4299]

MAYBE START WITH THE "KHUFU INVENTORY STELLA " IF YOU REALY WANT TO START AT THEIR BEGINNING .

[@lst197]

The new

[@queenbeedat8726]

Pigs were unclean. (Same as Jewish religion) Not all fish as he indicated.

[@SirDiamondRod]

human sacrifice?! That’s a bold claim. Evidence?

[@SirDiamondRod]

The Osirion is the only reason for the awareness of Osiris

[@mattwhelpley7512]

Ab dju sounds a lot like abzu of sumerian mythology.

[@cherylnagy126]

example of the Auto-Generated Transcription : our great sites of the ancient world series we've been to or of the charli's and bang Chang in Thailand the Penn Museum should be doing better than this

[@ShannaNL]

The next time you invite this guy, remind him to stay close to the microphone and give him a pointer. Because that faint mumbling every few minutes because he feels the need to point at something on a screen, is getting rather infuriating.

[@davidpagan9774]

😅l all those Padres ever found there let's just say there was a Walmart there those were scaled to make these Padres and sold them there people came from all around the world and bottom but when all that was destroyed all we can say that thousands of years all that Pottery just buried itself into the ground it's because something devastating happened devastating happen why is it that there's thousands and thousands of pottery in that one spot it was a market like like the mall they were selling all kinds of pottery around-the-world they made trades with the people in that region it's not like you're going to find all that pottery scattered everywhere is only Common Sense will tell you that all that in one spot was because something devastating happened at the time it could have been the flood but if that was the case it would be scattered all over the place it wasn't the Egyptians that built anything there they walk right into it and decided to go ahead and grow with that it's like taking over a town that's already been built those were there before them had the technology of doing it yes it could be from outer space or those that were there before them but there's no way that the pyramids were built by Egyptians but you keep believing that besides all the information on that it's in Lock and Key because there's no way that no one knows about it but it's slipping out of the cracks and people are knowing so your theory on this like blowing smoke in the air listen to yourself when you speak you talkin and speaking there's nothing but doubt in your voice you're not someone to believe in or your Theory you don't sound right you don't sound convincing to anyone they must be 85 year old people sitting there listening to you I guess they got time to spend to listen to you before they go

[@patrickparson9628]

You started pronouncing Abydos wrong like a minute in wtf is going on here?

[@stevieg6418]

Main stream bullocks.

[@kolokamari]

it is also the protype to resurection and artificial insimination

[@37Dionysos]

He knows all this and pronounces it "Ah-BY-dos"? It's "AH-bee-dos."

[@dphp1975]

Egyptologists use the two interchangably, depending on preference. If we're being technical, he should call it "Abdju," the ancient Egyptian name. Abydos is a Greek name (see 04:15 of the video)

[@37Dionysos]

Or depending on ignorance of other languages.

[@PathsUnwritten]

He references this in the speech. It's the main Greek version of the name.

[@adamadam-ku1td]

Abydos, this is our pronounciation For our viallage name in modern time أبيدوس

[@bloodofthefayth]

I have seen Stargate, I know how it's pronounced ;)

[@dienovandale4299]

Those "unfortunate glyphs " Why don't they look like damaged work " the explanations they give , make No common sense ?

[@docker4671]

I had to stop watching this at the 11 minute mark simply because he keeps saying A-by-dose and it's pronounced Ah-bee-dose and it's driving me crazy. I can't believe that someone would be educated about a place when they can't even pronounce the name of said place.... That's like spending an hour and a half talking about the pyramids at Giza and calling it Guy-za every 45 seconds. We have language for a reason, folks.

[@bordaz1]

How exactly do you know it's pronounced that way?

[@step4024]

@@bordaz1 Because it's English and that's how it is pronounced because it's our language and not the distorted abuse of our words and pronunciations from Americans.

[@bordaz1]

@@step4024 but neither Giza nor Abydos are English words, they're transliterated. So the authority here would be an Egyptian Arabic speaker, not you, I, or anyone else in the English-speaking world

[@maikmost8589]

mental

[@Ubergro]

What body part of Osiris fell into the Nile?.......and the answer is...0...that story is just that, a story or myth..... kings and pharaoh's are buried under ground, not in pyramids, another story. Egypt is a wonderful place, it has many stories...a better question might be....why are these monuments, where they are..? peace

[@GrizzG13]

I wonder when everyone else will figure out that abydos is as old as the sphinx. the sphinx was built 12000-14000 years ago in the age of leo. after the straight of Gibraltar broke open and the great flood of noah happened the sphinx spent a few millenia underwater. that's when it's face rotted off and it was buried in silt. during the age of ares it was dug out and the rotten lions head recarved to honor the Pharoah that did It. that's when the lion statues that line the walk at abydos were also recarved into rams. the most compelling argument for this being... ive never in my life heard of a long tailed goat... the aesthetics between the statues' styles are almost a perfect match.

[@GrizzG13]

Steve Bergman sorry sorry, youre right. I should have said Ziusudra, not Noah. the Hebrew flood is a RE-telling of a much, much older tale. But, no comment on the long tailed goat statues?

[@GrizzG13]

You left out the fact that anyone who opposed their ideals was subjected to either house arrest (for life) or death. But, I think you misunderstood. the sumerian flood was only 7 days. but I wasn't suggesting that the entire region from the coast all the way to abydos was flooded. actually I was thinking more along the lines of the sphinx builders relocating to abydos as a new coastal city. if you follow the topography of the region there's actually a string of cities across the north of the African continent. and their locations don't entirely make sense until you account for their altitudes.

[@GrizzG13]

.....sigh, shut up its early. I wasn't trying to suggest THE ENTIRE WORLD was flooded, but definitely the region from the coast to abydos....

[@GrizzG13]

Steve Bergman you're right, I should choose my wording more carefully. I dont believe the pyramids were nuclear. but I so believe the were power plants of a sort. instead using harmonic resonance and natural electromagnetic properties of the stones and the earth themselves. the central chamber of the great pyramid has a specific resonant frequency of a middle "A" I believe. and the famous "bent pyramid" of Snefru which is believed and claimed to be a calculation error during building and corrected midway, thats just bullshit on top of bullshit. Snefru literally translates as "double harmony" and the chamber within resonates at two seperate frequencies. there's much more going on than theyre admitting to. but, back to the main topic lol. Golbeki tepe, does date around to that same period, and I believe it actually further reinforces my claim that the flood caused an exodus of peoples that were highly skilled in stonework. it sits at a higher elevation and as yet has not revealed exactly who it was created by. and the time line is right. you are of course correct about there being rainfall on the plateau, but the erosion on the sphinx is not consistent with being caused by vertical water flow as you can see by scrapes lower on the monument being deeper than higher ones and running horizontally. the sphinx was at one point submerged by flowing waters. I might not be entirely right about my timing concerning the rift at Gibraltar opening up to allow a torrent though. I think in actually a space rock, potentially even a comet, with a water impact, would allow for bringing extra water, and flash vaporizing enough water to account for 7 days worth of unprecedented rainfall that would seem like the wrath of the gods. that wouldn't necessarily be localized though.... gonna have to keep working on this one. but, it is only a theory after all and so, there's always room to change it to fit and throw out what doesn't work. :) But, come on man, I haven't seen one person or paper or anything anywhere that mentions the long tailed goat statues and the striking similarity they have to the sphinx body. Goats don't have long tails. they just dont. thoughts?

[@emiliamartucci8291]

GrizzG13 w

[@tobaliwithme]

This is truly the collecting and presenting of evidence to support his pre-existing beliefs and theories. Thumbs down.

[@docker4671]

Why even study a thing unless there's some aspect of it that interests you? These can be things such as places or objects being mentioned in religious texts, which would warrant further study which would ultimately be compared to the text that mentioned it in the first place. If you have a theory, you experiment that theory. Theories don't usually just arise out of the ether when it comes to science, and Egyptology itself is jam-packed with nothing but theories upon theories being presented as the definitive truth, when nobody *could possibly* know some of these things absolutely. It's all about people testing their theories, getting the approval of others, and comparing theories and finding common ground. Nobody ever goes out into the field with a truly open mind and absolutely no biases whatsoever, unless they are drugged, blindfolded and dragged to a site they've never heard about before (which would be AWESOME).