Bungie Cancelled Destiny 2’s New Plan.

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[@agamerjourney9146]

Destiny 2's latest expansion, The Final Shape, has reportedly sold fewer copies than its predecessor, Lightfall, despite receiving widespread critical acclaim.

[@chilbiyito]

You should jokingly threaten people to like the video like urvan rescue ranch the likes are too low

[@jackrabbitping]

End of year update. Final shape is good. But the new region called the pale heart is so dang buggy you get booted from it every few minutes from the zone, you cant even complete a campaign mission! This has been an issue for months, it has gone unaddressed. The game is unplayably buggy on top of being boring.

[@abject_fail]

Why I quit: I don't need a 2000th slightly different way to kill the same big ogre in a circular arena while NPCs pretend to participate over comms

[@JoshuaHarrell-bk8dz]

Yep. I loved Destiny but quit many years ago as it was redundant then. I also found the single player experience to be convoluted with no clear end games. I’m a solo gamer and wholly uninterested in multiplayer.

[@Unprotected1232]

@@JoshuaHarrell-bk8dz it's so strange that modern multiplayer games feel so lonely. Like what's even the point of online functionality other than the in game store?

[@TrackMediaOnly]

I gave up when after having to buy every expansion to have access to what I already bought they wanted me to move to Destiny 2 and start all over. I was done at that point.

[@ceelentzpotter2110]

I quit it many years ago and I hate the game to my core, just simply matchmaking for some activities and they refuse to do it. they force you to go on forum/discord/other social media just to find a group to play instead just simply matchmaking

[@whiterose2321]

@@ceelentzpotter2110 let me guess, raids? You know d*mn well why there’s no matchmaking for raids, not a bungie problem that’s a you problem

[@apotionseller]

How many last chances does Bungie need? Probably as many cars as Pete has.

[@lolik3205]

same as Ubisoft

[@dragonmares59110]

Looks like people are willing to give them as much (so infinite) as they want liek blizzard

[@kaly8329]

Because there's no other game the same as destiny both graphics and gameplay wise.

[@aiodensghost8645]

​@@kaly8329gameplay wise, the same itch could've been scratched by Borderlands. Either way, I did my decade with Destiny, while it was sometimes fun, it was mostly frustrating

[@samuelsalvatore4511]

@@kaly8329 every time someone defends a terrible game by saying that there's nothing else in the market (which is often a lie) it just sounds like they're justifying an addiction.

[@magicwood4228]

I hate to be "that guy", but as a former Destiny 2 addict, Bungie has had their "last chance" dozens of times. I was also in the spiral of "we're so back!" to "it's so over!" every season. I play Destiny for the story and the raids, and both having so much vaulted and mishandled content put me off of the company years. I don't think Bungie believed players when they said they'd quit after The Final Shape. All the toxic positivity AND negativity in the playerbase meant that the devs were always complacent, never were they worried about apathy until this massive wave of players left. I don't enjoy seeing the game die, but the company deserved to financially fizzle for a long time. Limitations breed creativity, and Bungie thought our time and money was endless. I have high hopes that someone, maybe even I, will be able to make a true spiritual successor to this game.

[@mathewgosney7607]

i specifically quit because of the vaulting, i dont care if its an MMO, i don't care if tehy do it to make room for new content so its easier for them to manage. what i care about is they sell the content as DLC, not charge me a sub, but an actual cash price for the specif content, then take it away. no bungie, you dont get to normalise content i speficially paid for

[@svenstevenson2245]

So only recently became aware of "vaulting" and wonder, why the fuck do they even do that? If they pulled a FF14 style, old content is always available it would be way better for the game/player base/community... Seems just like FOMO tactics for no damn reason.

[@1-800-nonya]

​@@svenstevenson2245most mmos keep the stuff the release in the game and very rarely if ever take it away for long periods of time. Generally just to update/rework

[@jingsterling]

@@svenstevenson2245 Seemingly some old gen limitations, engine limitations and simply the actual game file size. I guess the game would be more than 300gb and would need to work on ps4 etc, but this should have been something they actually thought about before setting on some 10 year content plan.

[@RorikH]

​@mathewgosney7607 Yeah, I played Destony 2 for a while when it came out, got bored with the grind 2/3 of the way through the campaign, and then, about a year later, came back to give it another shot, only to learn that it was just... over. Villain was dead and gone , the campaign I payed for had been deleted, and I think I had to pay again to play the new campaign, so I immediately walked away.

[@possesstime2648]

Remember when Destiny 2 went "free to play"? But then removed the "free" content for an "overhaul"? Me neither...

[@starkraven1148]

@@possesstime2648 man i came back to Destiny from d1 beta quitting after taken king. I was very happy I waited as the game was in the place it was in, having season which wasn’t in d1. A ton of loot and expansions to catch up on. Then the very next year sunset damn near all the content, maps, modes and strikes that o actually considered my favorite. I really tried to give them a chance with that and I see now I shouldn’t have. I love the game but the core playlist never recovered from sunsetting and they didn’t do much to fix it. Battlegrounds ain’t it and they just recently added new maps to pvp.

[@misterspalk]

I just got tired of paying the full price of the game every single year. Having to do that twice in a year... well I'm glad I don't play this anymore..

[@sorovai8369]

Destiny was never free to play, it was free to try out.

[@zemosion1129]

I quit playing when they decided the expansions that we paid for we suddenly couldnt access anymore but they refused to do refunds. You just threw money at the wall and got nothing back

[@RorikH]

Yeah, I bought the base game but got bored with the grind before finishing, and then 2 years later came back to finish it after seeing a spoiler that made the ending sound like something worth playing, only to learn that the campaign I bought was deleted and the new campaign cost extra.

[@ThePosrein]

This is what made me quit Destiny 1. I quit Destiny 2 before finding out it was an issue. Now I know I don’t have to return because there is nothing for me to return to.

[@krazykilljoy7180]

That's in the terms of service, they added it around house of wolves dlc in D1 during the season pass debacle

[@zemosion1129]

@krazykilljoy7180 I don't care whether it's in the terms of service or not, making us pay for expansions we wouldn't even have access to months later is scummy af. Claiming "it's because the game would get too big" is bs too because NO OTHER live game does this. Just Destiny. It was a way to pocket money without having to maintain the service you purchased, that's all it was.

[@cos0]

@zemosion1129 two things can be true at once: 1) you can feel slighted that they took away the content you paid for 2) the content you paid for was just a license, they said in the terms they can take it away, and they did. No one forced your hand to purchase, and no one is forcing any one to stay. I just hate the woe-is-me attitude about it all.

[@joeplayer8980]

I don't get how Destiny 2 wants to attract new players when expansion DLCs don't include previous DLC. Forget whatever they are changing in the game, new players turn around before even installing the game when they see the available DLC in Steam / the Playstation store / the Xbox store. Would it actually break Bungies neck if they would allow new players to catch up to the current expansions for the price of the newest expansion? New players are needed to increase the amount of people that buy upcoming expansions as they release.

[@tythus654]

Honestly, I tried Destiny 2 and the new player experience is so bad I dropped it an hour in because the experience became disjointed as soon as I started a mission after the tutorial. From what little I've seen of Destiny 1 that at least had some structured levelling expreience, why can't there be something like this for new players here too?

[@LilFeralGangrel]

yeah i tried destiny 2 a while ago and i left because i was so confused.

[@lucasLSD]

Well said, FFXIV does this and it's why new players are always coming in, they also actually went back and removed superfluous quests from the base game, a thing that almost nobody does.

[@noirbe238]

@@lucasLSDYeah, but FFXIV also tackles this differently. For D2 you NEED forsaken for the forsaken exotic. You’re forking over what, $10-12 just to be able to play with those guns? It was fine a couple years ago when Foraaken actually had a campaign, but all the story’s gone. You can play through FFXIV’s story from start to finish because they’ve kept everything. All the story is there, you don’t have to watch some other video explaining the lore behind the first expansions that are unplayable. With FFXIV, you also get a free trial that takes you through practically half a game. Sure it’s restrictive in certain aspects, but it’s just straight up better for the average player who’s interested in playing the game. Destiny has a ~$60 entry fee. You get like what, a couple strikes and pvp? And the intro missions to each expansion which makes no sense. It’s nice not paying for a subscription fee for D2, but at this point there’s so little to do that I would’ve rather them do so. Everything’s always so crowded and lively in FFXIV. They’re able to welcome new players. I don’t see that in D2 anywhere.

[@darkindy]

I came in late to the OG Destiny, and everytime i would talk to my friends they just constantly bemoned how much of the story i missed showing up the last dlc. So i was excited to start in Destiny 2 from the beginning. The story had me... until I started missing key parts of the new story because i didn't grind each season to get to the end story. I was lost when Beyond Light introduced new "dark" powers, and i hadn't even unlocked all the new. I'm lost story wise... and to top it off i had just finished a grinding a season so hard, that it impacted my marriage and friendships, only to walk into the new beginer dungeon and not be able to kill a single grunt. I turned it off, apologized to my wife, and never picked up Destiny again.

[@ZexMaxwell]

How are they going to bring in "new" players? They are still trying to bring back existing players.

[@DayzedTransceiver]

They can start by getting the Board of Directors and Investors to remove Pete from CEO position.

[@ZexMaxwell]

​@@DayzedTransceiver it would help. but I dont think that alone will bring in new players when the game doesn't facilitate it.

[@charlesogden8492]

After this last DLC release I played it to completion and defeated the big baddie and it was like a weight lifted off of me and allowed me to actually release the game. I looked at what was ahead and even recently showcasing the new "saga", and I was able to look differently I have a near zero incline to come back and play more.

[@trashjash]

That's how a lot of us felt. Finally, the game is over. We can close this chapter with the knowledge of how Bungie has treated us through this ride, and decide we're not going to stick with them for wherever they wander off to after. We know it'll be overpriced and expensive.

[@bastiancole3565]

When they announced episodes i knew how this game was going to go down, quietly as it dies during the episodes while the microtransactions pay for marathon. After Season of the Deep i quit the game because i was done with the abyssmal year of lightfall, intending to come back for The Final Expansion's story and raid and nope out on a good note. Then helldivers released early next year and i came ot a realization about how games were supposed to EARN my time as opposed to force it using FearOfMissingOut. Yes, helldivers was going through some very rough problems in the last half a year but it still was a hell of a lot more fun than Destiny's URGENT grinding unless you want to miss out on things that genuinely don't matter and shouldn't have mattered to me at the time. I now have a very intense skepticism of video games that use looter shooter, microtransactions, and live service built into their service models, it's why even if i have heard good things from The First Decendant i refuse to play it in case in just turns into another Destiny. At least with helldivers i can literally quit the game for a year and probably come back no problem and not feel like i missed out on cool stuff to play, or new Warbonds with the new weapons, because they keep it all in the game. Destiny STILL HAS an unhealthy and malicious "Play me or ELSE!" business model that essentially is threatening you every step of the way with the failure to keep up with the game should you be gone for even 2 seasons, and they did do that. They nerfed just about every good exotic or weapon useable during Lightfall campaign like the Osteo Striga and the Forbearance to make sure that the only good things useable for the LEgendary campaign had to come from the last 3 seasons before the next expansion. And that's how Destiny ruined every live service looter game for me in the future, because now i will hate the idea of going into another Destiny just to go back to another abusive relationship with a developer studio that literally says "We run the risk of OVERDELIVERING". Any company that intentionally wants to give the player LESS CONTENT deserves to be another Concord in my opinion.

[@jeffmeyer6820]

...cool

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

What, you didn't stick around for the Echoes part 1,2 & 3? Don't you care about Saint 14's midlife identity crisis, Osiris CONSTANTLY reaffirming his love for his exo boyfriend or obscure character suddenly being The Big Bad and is in an abusive lesbian relationship? How does that not scream "Classic Destiny" to you?! Lol Yeah, you ain't missing much. I only play it to game with my hubby and a few friends a few nights a week when we have time. We're all in our 40's/50's so we aren't ready to go invest a bunch of $ finding a new franchise to play.

[@mikevismyelement]

It's not new and shiny because it's the same mf game.

[@heroicxidiot]

Of course it's the same fucking game. Were you expecting them to some how completely revamp the entire game from the ground up or something? Destiny 3 was never a thing so wtf were you expecting? They don't have the money for it thanks to Sony, so whatever fucking delusions you have of an idealized Destiny is in the shitter. They're making due with what they got. I'm not praising it, I'm just telling it how it is. If they can make something good out of it and is received well, good. If not, Bungie is deader than dead.

[@lateundead3809]

@@heroicxidiot I thought the budget went to the cars

[@memecrider3585]

@heroicxidiot lol that's false. Bungie does have the money for a D3. They spent it on incubation projects like matter, gummibears, and another game can't remember. Don't shit here and shit on the guy because he believes it should've been a D3. It should have been a D3. I hope D2 crash and burn it's an old game.

[@ed61730]

@@heroicxidiot Isn't that his point. People don't just want me D2 they want D3. I've played Destiny since D1 launch and i've stopped now. TFS was a great end. Time to move one I think.

[@heroicxidiot]

@@memecrider3585 How can I be false if they just laid a shit ton of people off? You think they could make a D3 with the staff they have? I doubt Sony is gonna give them more budget. You should get your head out of their ass for thinking that.

[@Slavic_Snake]

bungie's "last chance" has come and gone long before this video.

[@jeffy1862]

@@Slavic_Snake It’s come and gone and come and gone and come and gone round and round again.

[@devilsruin9169]

Fortunately you're wrong

[@Slavic_Snake]

@@devilsruin9169 all evidence to the contrary

[@zestsubject1870]

If they had a nickel for every "last chance" players gave them they wouldn't have needed those lay offs.

[@jeffy1862]

@@zestsubject1870 I’m just tired of having to be at wit’s end just to get a decent effort out of them. I hopped off at Lightfall and my best wishes go out to anyone that’s still holding on.

[@maze4184]

"the current games sells the next game" is something ive said for years, sad that ceos are shortsighted af

[@RikkiSan1]

All they care about are short-term gains for investors

[@novusparadium9430]

@@RikkiSan1 LOL the "Investors" even thought a D3 was in the works, Bungies board is actually furious mate.

[@SymbioteMullet]

@@novusparadium9430 you got a source for that? I'd really like to know more!

[@Oofmeister]

@@SymbioteMullet Source is he made it up

[@matthewlucent7645]

@@maze4184 They aren't going sell very many copies of Marathon then.

[@powerfist1340]

Bungie's been dead since they stole 60-80% of the game that I bought.

[@starkraven1148]

Facts sunsetting hurt the game more that I think they want to admit. I hate battlegrounds in my strike playlist

[@powerfist1340]

@@starkraven1148 You telling me Warframe can patch in an entire new game every 6 months but Bungie can't balance some guns every 2 years? piss off.

[@Popeyethesailorsman]

@@powerfist1340 warframe keeps the old content in the game, destiny doesnt. Stop sack eating bro nobody wants to play this mess and the player count proves that

[@powerfist1340]

@@Popeyethesailorsman Why are you responding to my comment as though i'm running defense for Bungo? That was a sarcastic comment comparing Destinys developers to Warframes unfavorably.

[@Shaniqua_Ratchet]

I’m convinced the DCV is what got Bungie into the mess they’re in. It made getting new players impossible leading to inevitable attrition of the player base, as people move on/take breaks

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4464]

Bungie doesn't get another chance. It gets to fuck off. Most of those that made Bungie what it was either left a decade ago or were fired recently, and the talent there now, though good, isn't worth shit when stuck under bad management that only serves to compromise their work. I'd honestly rather see those talented developers shifted to a new Sony studio whilst the management get thrown out along with the Bungie name itself, just so we don't have to see them puppeteering the corpse of a once respected studio any longer.

[@FrithRa]

Destiny 2 lost me when they decided to essentially remove all the original content the game had for the first few expansions and attempt to "reboot" itself. From there if you weren't already a hardcore Destiny player who was always staying up to date on the latest content you were going to get horribly lost and confused because you couldn't go back to replay the stuff that would put the whole story back in context.

[@dentron9885]

Yeah one of my friends who played it a lot got me to try a lil while ago, talk about the worst new player experience possible. The only cool part was the copied D1 mission and everything after that was ???

[@admiralkaede]

@@fulgerion its a game people want to play it not view it

[@archellothewolf2083]

I was TWO missions away from getting the Sigira shell when they removed everything. They let you get almost every other exotic from the vault. But I will NEVER see my ghost dripped in that golden glory. Never again.

[@tolindaniel]

As a long time Warframe player, the first thing I will say about the game is that it is absolutely bloated with almost everything they've ever added to the game (the remove very little), and the new player experience is AWFUL. Somehow, it still goes from strength to strength. The reason I quit Destiny after playing it for years was the fact they kept chopping up the game after Shadowkeep by just removing content.

[@FishAnvil]

Warframe has a pretty bad new player experience, but at least you'll never have content you paid for (it's all free) forcibly removed from the game never to be seen again. (Every part of Warframe's story will be available forever)

[@tolindaniel]

@@FishAnvil oh yeah I freaking adore the game. I have a beta badge on my profile and I am desperate to play 1999, especially after that message on my Kinepage....

[@jeffmeyer6820]

Content no one played.

[@flintburner6313]

Every time bungie fucks up and come out with a roadmap these type of videos get made. Its been Bungie's last chance 10 times now.

[@DayzedTransceiver]

Same Pete in charge...what do you expect? It's like if your entire house is filled with mold...and you complain why your towels/bedsheets/carpet constantly grow mold on them. Until the source of the problem is solved (Pete removed from CEO position)...nothing will change. If you still play Destiny...you are partially responsible for Pete's new car and a Bungie employee getting fired...

[@Frost3yte]

​@@DayzedTransceiver hes got to go, we also have to stop blaming the parrent companies, first people blamed microsoft for forcing them to do things their way with halo, then acti with destiny and now sony (as seen in this video a few times blaming sony on tightening the purse strings and what not) this has bee a consistent issue for years with bungie.

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

@Frost3yte First of all, Pete Parsons came from Microsoft, so the old saying that Bungie left Microsoft, but Microsoft never left Bungie is actually still applicable. Second, Activision has had a record of being scummy for a while so it's no surprise that people will fall for the idea that Activision is to blame for Destiny's shortcomings when it's been Pete the whole time. Third, Sony is even more scummy than Microsoft, even by publisher standards. Look at their latest console and how they handle their IPs. It's no surprise that they're collapsing, followed by Microsoft, and to some extent, even Nintendo. People putting the blame on Sony have at least a modicum of justification.

[@kcisthe1st]

My problem with the final shape is it shows that they have the potential to give the player base the things they want but they are actively choosing to ignore the player base to do things that Bungie wants.

[@DayzedTransceiver]

Pete NEEDS his 482nd limited edition supercar! Honestly...if we got rid of him and brought in someone more qualified...99% of the problems would be solved. He has been here since the start of this Destiny disaster...and the root cause of it. Of course he'll do the same thing as he always does. If he listened to players or employees...he wouldn't be firing and ignoring them for his supercars...

[@kartemp]

Until the leadership team at Bungie gets replaced, and the company itself takes a hard look at its internal rot. I will refrain from making any purchases from them. They are just one of the many companies right now in this industry and others that have a greed and corruption issue. Unfortunately I don't see that happening as this is all tied to the larger societal issues with corporate greed and malfeasance.

[@ShawnESharp1]

I find that I've started avoiding games made by studios that openly screw over their employees. Which in the current market has narrowed my gaming focus considerably.

[@1-800-nonya]

They unfortunately couldn't get microsoft out of them even after they left ms

[@jddes]

4:17 made me jump haha

[@alexandreabranches]

@@jddes Greatest jump scare in the history of youtube.

[@Mooruck]

@@alexandreabranches Greatest video editing in the history of youtube.

[@nikodimus86]

Yeah, me too. Made me question if the noise came from my house.

[@zefferss]

Same, I had video in background doing other stuff on my pc and I'm like what is that, yikes! xD

[@terriblyterrified8742]

"it's pretty good" jumpscare

[@sevenlexar]

Honestly, I gave up on Destiny ages ago. When I realized the quests were the same lazy slop over and over of just 'go do the seasonal activity' once a week, every week, till the season was done? Combined with the sheer amount of FOMO with the constant threat of 'stop playing and you'll permanently miss crucial plot beats', it stopped being fun. It became an obligation. And while I don't mind when a game just boils down to 'go kill a thing', it starts to get insanely grating when it's the SAME thing in the SAME place over and over and over. When all the fun stuff happens in lore cards and offscreen audio cues. It's like if FF14 was 90% just 'go run Palace Of The Dead/Heaven On High/Eureka Orthos' and ONLY those for almost the ENTIRE related dlc, meanwhile the story tells this grand sprawling tale of amazing adventures that all the NPCs go on offscreen, that you never get to take part in, much less SEE. In Destiny 2 you're just the Space Janitor, and it's gotten PAINFULLY boring. IMO, nothing short of a full reset and mechanics overhaul is gonna fix anything. Not when they keep ripping up their game like this. I'm certainly never coming back. Not when their game is just 'look at all this FOMO we've Bedazzled for you'.

[@Chedring]

same. once that first season pass in d1 ended, I was out. felt like a complete waste of time.

[@matthewlucent7645]

I gave up on Destiny after playing it for 5 minutes.

[@roxasoranightcore]

This is going to lead nowhere and end up being a mess of “new” things that drain players of money, time, and sanity. The core game needs fixing not activities. There is a reason why warframe is becoming super popular.

[@byte-bg4ob]

@@roxasoranightcore Warframe is becoming popular because they are making experimental content. Destiny needs to make that.

[@ephepheph]

@@byte-bg4ob I switched from D2 to Warframe because of the developer and monetization, not because of Warframe’s “experimental” features. Those features actually tend to be my least favorite parts of the game. I just want a service game that treats me and my wallet with respect. Warframe isn’t perfect, but it’s so much better about this than D2 was.

[@LopolisWizard]

Warframe is also booming (i say this as a player of 5 years) because it doesn’t punish you for taking breaks, and the devs actually listen to what the community wants. The team feels less like some omnipresent company but rather a group of people doing what they love, and actually interacting with the community organically. I’ve taken month long breaks before due to personal things and being overwhelmed with work, but everytime I return, when I see there’s new content, I don’t feel dread that I missed out on something, I’m excited for what I can catch up on.

[@ephepheph]

@@LopolisWizard Yeah, the D2 FOMO was as bad as Asian gacha games I’ve played. Missing even one event week can cripple your meta performance, so you HAVE. TO. PLAY. With Warframe I can take a vacation away from my PC, spend a week playing table top game with visiting friends from out of town, or pick up a single player game I want to play for however long it takes to wrap up the campaign. I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything (unless Baro has some fire mods).

[@ceelentzpotter2110]

and the community will defend it don't worry, they're used to getting abused

[@Sivick314]

no i'm done. they said destiny was a 10 year game, well it's been over 10 years. DONE. let it die.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Same deal with the MCU, Star Wars, Halo, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Kingdom Hearts, and so much more. It's just showboating, wearing out their welcome, and milking brands to death

[@lucasLSD]

​@@cosmosofinfinityleave kingdom hearts out of this

[@robbiediaz9893]

Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean there aren’t people who do

[@1-800-nonya]

​@@robbiediaz9893 Those what? 10-20 people?

[@Mobius_ll]

Just like every other promise they've made, broken😂

[@BFBeast666]

Destiny lost me the moment they took away and vaulted the stuff I paid for.

[@DeusinMachina]

Jump scare at 4:17 caught me off guard

[@DeathInTheSnow]

What's really sad was that D1 started shaky, but the Taken King and Rise of Iron really lifted the game up to what it was planned to be. But D1's biggest flaw was that they started turning towards a PvP focus - nothing could be as good in PvE in case it unbalanced PvP. And we saw that in D2 when all of the weapons were uniform. Yes, they finally undid that, but it still wasn't like how D1 did things. There was a lot more openness and freedom in D1. It played like an RPG, if a limited one. Guns were allowed to have more punch by design, not if there was a glitch to exploit (although, there _were_ glitches, like Pocket Infinity). If D2 had been like D1, but more, and with a greater distinction between PvE and PvP, it would have a wonderfully memorable success and the pinnacle of shooter RPGs. Instead, D2 plays like a mobile game made for PC. And that's such a shame, given what D1's story started building up to. D1's ultimate message was _"hope"._ D2's ultimate message was _"greed"._

[@silentobserver888]

This is bungies last chance. I think the talent left years ago. It’s just a shell and name now.

[@Noname6589]

@@silentobserver888 don't think so. A Sony Manager said after visiting Bungie, the developers are really talanted, but the management needs to be improved

[@bennyboiii1196]

You think wrong, TFA is proof. The Execs are the problem, verifiably.

[@byte-bg4ob]

The talent is still there

[@filipmaly6603]

@@Noname6589 So what should be his answer: "F*ck me, my job and those hacks sitting there"?

[@sagenebula7120]

@@silentobserver888 bungies last chance for me was the release of destiny 1, idk why people play such awful games and then give more money afterwards, all that content D1 got shouldve been in the game because most of it was cut before release

[@bulthaosen1169]

Yeah no. I am out of destiny and I am gonna stay out. I stuck with final shape to see the end of story and i am not getting back into this abusive system.

[@DayzedTransceiver]

I didn't even pay for the final shape! I just watched the lore/cutscene video...and then jumped through the gameplay cause its just the same as it always has been. Got everything I needed to know/experience anyways... Honestly...once you move away from the genre of loot dropping shooters...and moving back just feels so pointless.

[@tcrowley]

Is there any goodwill left in the D2 community, at this juncture, for them to win back? Cuz outside of a few hardcore lifers, a majority of my friends who played Destiny back in the day are way beyond done with Bungie. They've moved on, and it's pretty much a guarantee they're not coming back. This could very well be the best move they ever made, but it won't matter much if no one is listening anymore. Speaking for myself, I was done with Destiny 2 when I read that Luke Smith said he wanted players to be "married to the game". Like... no. When Smith said that, I immediately filed divorce papers. The game was already demanding most of my free time in order to keep up with the content and stave off fomo. But then dude says he wants ALL of my time? No, no, no, NO. Emphatically no. Toxic, co-dependant relationships are a nightmare to break free of, but for the sake of one's health, break free of them one must

[@DayzedTransceiver]

No...they don't mean a happy marriage. They mean a marriage where they expect you to pay Luke Smith and Pete Parsons like they are your trophy wives....while they ignore all your wishes.

[@72823m]

4:17 jumpscare

[@breakfasto3374]

All these changes happening when player count and care is at an all time low....all these changes we've been asking for it for years. Bungie really does only care about the bottom line.

[@NationalEligraphic]

They only listen when they’re in a corner. Now they see player numbers dropping each month and are scrambling around trying to figure out what to piece together like little corporate trans rats.

[@knightsljx]

Bungie died the day they sold out to Activision, it just took a while for the corpse to start stinking

[@vornir6169]

you know what's worse? when they were at activision they were less greedy, since then it's just worsening. Activision was actually doing bungie good. Bungie is rotten in and of itself. last chance for the studio is marathon, destiny 2 had it's last chance long ago: they fucked it up.

[@GodsRightSeat]

@@knightsljx Activision wasn't the problem. Bungie is scum on their own. The bungie you knew died long ago.

[@VoRiiactual]

I used to believe after Activision parted with Bungie it'd get better... BUT it got worse! Unbelievable.

[@spiderz5898]

Bungie died as soon as they left halo.

[@motesquid]

"Upgrade Resources" as they are currently in the game are relatively easy to acquire. With certain activities like GrandMaster strikes, you can farm up a comfortable stockpile of the most important upgrade mats in just a couple hours. Reward passes in the past have already included these upgrade materials, and some players like myself, sometimes have to delete the materials from our inventory or waste them on random armor just to pick them up from the pass because we are maxed out already.

[@Nicola_Sacco]

They've had upgrade materials in their season passes since their inception. Outside of the golf balls, they mostly served as filler.

[@BirdmanG07]

I played all of D1 and the first expansion or two of D2 then just stopped playing. Came back because I heard everything was free right before final shape, only to find out the newest expansion was not included. I played through all the story content to be paywalled at the stuff right before the alleged big payoff. I was considering getting final shape, but to see I had to buy the newest expansion to even see the rest of the story for an expansion that came out in 2 weeks was crazy to me. Needless to say, I didn’t get final shape. I wanted to, I still want to see the end of the journey I started, but I can’t do it. Can we also talk about how subclasses are locked behind expansions? That is CRAZY to me.

[@pshpsh5247]

I have played since D1 alpha had close to 10k hours on my account, flawless, raid titles, every exotic, bought all the EV items. The final straw for me was when they added SBMM back into the game before Lightfall. They basically screwed all their loyal PvP players and SBMM killed the pvp scene. Sold my account for almost $6000 Glad I abandoned ship right before everything went to hell. All I wanted to do was play it like WoW, do my raids and seasonal content for cool looking gear and appearances and titles to use in pvp to own people. They made tons of money from people like me and what a surprise that when you piss those people off your revenue drops dramatically. Don't feel sorry for them. They've been given so many chances and had lightning in a bottle twice and have squandered it both times. This patch cadence is literally back to the patch cadence that existed in Taken King, with a small DLC release and one balance patch 6 months later then the next DLC coming 6 months after that. Pathetic for a team that was almost at 700+ people who made hundreds of millions off Eververse and who got 3.6 BILLION dollars from Sony. Where did that money even go? So GOOD RIDDANCE let it die.

[@Joemama-xw2wy]

Like half of that 3.6 billion was used on ‘employee retention.’

[@duke605]

To be honest. I think most of the community has been asking for this model. No one wanted the seasonal model. It was cool when it released cause it was new. But literally after the first year people were like "This is formulaic and I hate it." This is a return to the Curse of Osiris and Warmind model that Destiny 2 launched with. While the content of COO was bad, the model was not.

[@roxasoranightcore]

Also you have to release not everything is sony’s fault, they may influence price but in the end its bungie’s upper management to blame

[@reapersasmr5483]

Yes and no sony should have done 10 seconds of research.. I don't get how fans know all this but sony didn't.. sony is doing exactly what sony does and wants to ..

[@callumsellers5528]

​@@reapersasmr5483it says something when Sony have had enough of bungie's shit.

[@lennyw7840]

destiny was doomed the day they decided to implement the content vault.

[@pipexllxxl]

the game was destroyed when they decided raking in money was the priority, problem thinking of lowering costs meant that reusing content from past dlcs and even content from destiny 1 was the way to go, the thing is that there was no new fun content to play, the matchmaking the game has is bullshit, LFG IS BULLSHIT ASWELL, they overcomplicated the game so much, there’s so many guns that are useless, they nerfed all the fun guns and the new exotics are all bad and boring… the game is mediocre, and it had so much more potential than what they got out of it…

[@EastyyBlogspot]

I got Destiny 2 very late basically when they sunsetted loads of content, I think if they could reintroduce the content in such a way to give new players a coherent focused experience with a through line story it would be awesome

[@thenamesronni]

Same here, I got into Destiny 2 3 years ago and started binge playing since last year, and yeah, that will be fun

[@kokorochacarero8003]

1) Not sunsetted; *vaulted. Those are two separate things that took place at the same time 2) you'll get the chance to access the vaulted content. Just give it time. When all that remains are the hopeless addicts palying the game and some new geoup of salesmen excecutives running the company, they'll sell it to you When all that's left is to scrap the botom of the barrel, that stuff is gonna magically come back for sale for a nice nostalgia driven player count peak, and a short while later they'll pull the plug for good

[@taylemgames2652]

I quit D2 when they hacked the game to pieces and got rid of the first several years of the game. Bungie deserves to go under.

[@JordanU375]

I swear, this time it's Bungie's last chance for the 10th time! Nah, I stopped giving Bungie chances after they copied Destiny 1s terrible expansion patterns with Destiny 2's Forsaken. Bad release > bad epac > bad epac > big epac for $40 and new physical release two games in a row, screw that.

[@wdf70]

The story goes on without the player. I come back after playing the base game only to find out the vanilla story has been removed from the game. Cayde 6 gets capped and seemed interesting to play through, and i was even told its the best thing Bungie made, its been removed. Everything between now and then is convoluted and disconnected from each other. Why should I come back and get invested in a story game that doesn't want me to experience it unless I pay for the moment then and there?

[@houseflygames]

About the two expansion per year, I think they would cost 25-35$ like they did with Warmind and Curse of Osiris. Base version 25, rewards pass version (Whatever else they also include) 30-35 dollars. And the remaining is reliant on microtransactions, after hopefully wanting people to spend money. Potentially, the brighter scenario, the good ending they want, is that it ends with many people from the Old Saga leaving, and drawing in people in the New Saga especially people who are New right now who missed a lot on the Old saga, they stated; because its non linear, everyone is on the same page in some way shape or form. Even if old players return or stick around. The bad scenario is that the Following epsiodes (2 and 3) are not that interesting or good (despite stating they are releasing all of the act1 story and content at launch, they are removing the weekly checklist feel in the remaing episodes in general), causing more people to leave before the future changes can happen. Ususally their middle seasons are better than the first, but its another we'll have to wait and see scenario.

[@GreenStreetSlim]

I dont trust Bungie whatsoever. They have less resources than they did a year ago. They had plenty of chances, too many.

[@DayzedTransceiver]

Same leadership. Nothing will change. Follow the money. The trail of money has not changed...and has gotten even more inefficient compared to last year...thus...yes. You are right. I'm surprised the investors of Bungie has not stepped in and said..."we will stop investing unless the Board of Directors gets rid of Pete"

[@jokerledger5400]

Last chance start losing its meaning when there is more than one.

[@niamhrz]

They should put the sunsetted destiny 2 stories + destiny 1content ingame as optional downloadable playlists so new players can actually hop on.

[@burnoutknight5326]

It really is sad to see Destiny 2 just falling deeper into the abyss. In my opinion, Bungie should never have removed the original campaigns, not to mention having the seasonal stories limited time. Even if it might be difficult to make the content fit and avoid bloating the game, as much as I love the gameplay, neglecting the story so heavily is what kills it for me.

[@enoknab]

Curse of Osiris and Warmind are about to look pretty good come 2025.

[@Droooooski]

It’s annoying that we can’t get all the content for a seasonal update at once anymore. It has to be drip fed to us so the engagement numbers for the game stay the same throughout the whole update. Idk maybe try giving us meaningful content that we can’t get enough of and we keep coming back to play? Big business had destroyed passionate video games… 😔

[@thefiresworddragon927]

So we're back to what nearly killed Destiny 2? Something tells me there won't be a Forsaken 2 to save it this time

[@jrey800]

I was intrigued until I saw "reward Pass" at 4:43 lol

[@DayzedTransceiver]

*You can't put a bandage on a sinking ship. Just as long Pete sinks with it...and the "post-Pete" Bungie goes in the complete opposite direction of what Pete has in mind.* Also...I hope the devs whom were laid off...join together in a class action lawsuit and serve plenty of suits to EVERY ENTITY that Pete owns.

[@Caspeaon]

I know its probably not happening any time soon, if at all, but the real only way I see Destiny returning to its glory days is by making a D3. Destiny 2 has lost too many players at this point, it has enough of a player base to stay alive for at least a few more years, but there is no hope of interesting new players at this point, those who would have been interested by this point have already tried it and just having two expansions every year isnt going to bring very many players back. An actual sequel to Destiny 2 would give everyone a chance to start fresh, maybe four to five years down the line from now. By that point I think people would be missing the universe and be open to a new game.

[@caster269]

My one strand of hope is that leadership has finally realized years of vetoing dev experimentation for safe and formulaic content is why people started to leave in the first place. Ironically Lightfall's seasonal cadence has the most variety and content dense year Destiny has had since Forsaken. The problem is people were already burnt out going into Lightfall and the campaign was so horrendously bad that people quit then and there. While those that stayed were still fatigued to such an extent that the variety didn't have the impact it would've had if they started it 4yrs ago.

[@3rdrick]

So there I was, New raid seal obtained, god roll weapons, all patterns obtained, life was good. Act 1 was aight... Finished it, got the patterns, life was good. Then I played FF14 in the downtime and got hookednon that. I came back to Destiny for episode 2 and did the first mission, and couldn't tell you what it was about. Butvthe rocket sidearm you might say and YES I wanted it!! But the pattern was timegated. I came back after 2 weeks, and it sent me to go pick alien flowers and that was the tipping point for me. I uninstalled for Wukong, 4k, and Deadlock. Im good now.

[@CallMeTeci]

Played D2 YEARS ago, when it was cheap in a Humble Bundl e,but i have no reason to get back, if i cant even play the story anymore. That they seemingly never thought about offering a modular installation is bafffling to me, so you could choose which content gets installed and what not. And everything that it not installed, you simply dont have access. They are already able to detect what content you have bought and which not, so that shouldnt be a big deal. I cant imagine how many players simply dont get back into the game, because of this and the feeling that they got robbed of something they have paid for at some point.

[@VeshSneaks]

One thing I'll say, just playing devils advocate: The Season Passes for Destiny 2 have *always* had upgrade materials. Legendary Shards (RIP), Masterwork Cores, Upgrade Modules, Glimmer etc., as well as armour and weapons, so the "Rewards pass", along with the Seasonal content being free to play, just tells me they're taking the existing passes and selling them on their own rather than as part of the Seasonal experience. I'm hesitantly optimistic about the plan for next year, but it's all going to hinge on pricing. I'm pretty much already checked out this year. Echoes' story was horrendously bad (the pacing slaughtered any sense of investment I had in it, and then the ending just made it all even worse. The change to model is whatever; the only time since D2 launched that the pricing/content model has stayed the same year-to-year was Witch Queen > Lightfall. Every other expansion has introduced some new change in what they're doing. D2 had 2 small expansion campaigns in Year 1, Curse of Osiris and Warmind. Forsaken introduced a seasonal model, with 3 seasons starting a few months after the expansion Shadowkeep introduced the "Expansion plus 4 seasons" model, while also having a seasons content be removed at the end of that season Beyond Light kept much of the same model, but seasonal content remained until the next expansion released. They also released the Bungie 30th anniversary pack at the end of the expansion Witch Queen carried on with Beyond Light's model, but added the lovely twist of a reprised raid, a "dungeon key" to access the two new dungeons. Lightfall remained the same Final Shape's model could have worked, but they needed to stick the landing on Echoes especially with how good Final Shape was. Instead we got a bland lump of a plot, delivered like a FedEx driver who thinks he's Kobe. I guess I'll just have to see what they charge for Apollo.

[@nickbueno9678]

I started playing D2 at launch, played the first three expansions and then life kinda happened. I came back a month ago and boy the new player experience is garbage and I did NOT want to pay through the nose for new expansions. Feels like throwing away good money after bad seeing as my original $120 or whatever doesn’t amount to squat years later.

[@PutYourQuarterUpGaming]

Same story here. Uninstalled it after 20 mins.

[@Voltroc]

The game was never the same after they got rid of Dinklebot.

[@TheDrnknmnky]

as long as i cant play the whole campaign from beginning to end i will never touch destiny again, sunsetting half the campaing making it unavailable is fking ridiculous

[@generalnawaki]

They killed the episode's plan because EVERYONE told them how bad an idea it was.

[@urazz7739]

Yeah, I don't see a lot of people giving Bungie anymore chances. Final Shape was the end point for a lot of people and episodes are pretty much just seasons renamed with a bigger period of no content so the new content isn't really all that appealing.

[@Sheepdog_Alpha]

I'm so over this game, I don't even log in to sit in orbit for 5 minutes before deciding not to play any more.

[@CorruptOutcast]

As a longtime Warframe player I honestly have to ask Destiny players, where did Bungie touch you? I have never seen a fanbase give a shitty, greedy company so many chances after being burned and used as nothing but a wallet so many times.

[@oliverwithers9736]

D1. That’s where they touched us. They gave us a game that did everything so well with so many interesting and unique concepts with an extremely solid theme and plot. And then just slowly bled that away over 10 years. Kind of the opposite to what happened with warframe. Warframe didn’t start with much but slowly got better and better. Destiny started with everything and slowly got worse.

[@cerealmama3879]

@@oliverwithers9736 I try Warframe bc long time ago (more than 10 years) i try the D1 beta on a PS3, i like it very much and i always want to play that game, but i didn't have the money to buy a PS4 or a Xbox One. Like 5 years ago my best friend tell me about Warframe and it was like: f*ck it, if my laptop can't run it, i didn't loose anything, right now i'm LR4. I try D2 like 3 years ago but even in the tutorial the game was running at 5-10 fps, menwhile in Warframe was 25-30 fps on a normal mission. I have a much better pc right now, but i don't have interest in D2.

[@NationalEligraphic]

I’ve gotta say Destiny 1 touched me really hard. Ever since I played the taken king I’ve been hooked and then Destiny 2 dropped. I spent so much money and grinded so hard and now I feel like I’m forced to kinda keep the game so I don’t waste my time and money but I also love Destiny and want the game to thrive but at this moment I’m also sick of the antics and have deleted the game.

[@WhatUpMutt]

Part of the problem is that the execs at bungie think that anything more than a minimum viable product is an overdelivery and they don't want to overdeliver because then we'd actually expect good updates instead of filler update after filler update

[@sapphic-snail-girl]

The biggest thing that keeps me from even considering coming back to Destiny is that basically all of the activities and content that got released in the time I was away is gone now. I can't play the things I missed anymore. Even more, I can't play the things I paid for anymore. If I'm feeling nostalgic, I can never go back to season of the dawn and play through the corridors of time or the mission where we save Saint-14. It's just all gone, which makes me way less likely to go back. On the other hand, there's Warframe. I played it a ton for a while but took close to a 5 year break. I got back into it recently, and there's now nearly 5 years worth of new things to do. I can even replay all the old stuff from before I stopped playing if I want to. Sure, there were time-limited things I missed out on, but overall there's still so much that I can catch up on. Knowing that everything I missed would still be there when I came back is one of the main reasons I considered coming back to Warframe in the first place.

[@user-wo5dm8ci1g]

See, whenever I think "maybe I wanna play a Blizzard game" I remember all the horror stories and just totally lose interest and play something else. Well, the latest expansion was fun, but the season model was kinda confusing so I decided to wait to see what it would be... and now if I think of going back, I start to think of is a woman fired right before her maternity leave, or the CEO showing off his new cars to employees about to be fired. And then I just play other stuff.

[@CyberData4]

Story beats isn’t enough to interest players. The game needs better activities and a wide variety of them. The game formula is stale. It’s not bad. It’s just gone bad over time. Fresh features like a forge mode and procedural generated maps/locations. This is what I thought the Infinite Forest was going to be. But then they decided to sunset that. There is also literally an in game justification for it via being inside the traveler. New guns are cool too but how many picatinny rails and aerodynamic fins can you add to a weapon before it’s just another 600rpm auto rifle…

[@CyberData4]

And they need to fix the new player experience. It’s atrocious. I’ve had multiple friends try the game and give up because when I wasn’t online to guide them they were lost. And unsunset all the story content from red war forward. Season mission included. FF14 knew better than to do that.

[@ItsHyfal]

The whole issue goes back to one point in our timeline. Bungie started bleeding... No gushing players, the moment they sunset and removed paid items, and weapons that people worked for and cared about.

[@bonoes77]

audio is messed up twice

[@subjectvalence7260]

Ill be honest, i still haven't been able to pick destiny back up. Especially over the power hike.

[@subjectvalence7260]

Also the lore needs to be good again. You cannot have the gameplay be good and the lore be killed off for the sake of “saving time” i will literally drop the game isntantly.

[@LateNightHalo]

8:50 idk man, considering Bungie’s weakest aspect is their character writing, a character-driven focus sounds awful. They’ve turned destiny into a mediocre soap opera the last few years thanks their shallow melodramatic story focus

[@Rascal7777]

Nah Bungie is already cooked, Destiny 2 has entered its end-of-life. Remember, The Final Shape was the WORST selling expansion.

[@vibin_squido]

holy shit i thought you were capping but no youre completely right holy shit destiny 2 is cooked

[@GreatDecider]

it was the best selling expansion...

[@vibin_squido]

@@GreatDecider no it wasnt

[@Rascal7777]

@@GreatDecider It’s literally not. It’s literally the worst selling expansion lmao. You might want to read up on reality before commenting.

[@GreatDecider]

@@Rascal7777 the worst was lightfall

[@marcosdheleno]

lets be honest, all bungie has to do to get back its playerbase is say: "hey guys we promisse we wont use sand and glass shard condoms next time!"

[@charlesmetal8224]

I doubt they had the resources to do this well BEFORE the layoffs. I still think their best choice would be to move D2 mostly to maintenance mode and let people install/remove whatever content from all of D2 history. Aka, bring back all the old campaigns and worlds and other content in a Master Chief Collection sort of setup. They could then move most of their development power to other newer games, but none of that is likely to ever happen.

[@Raika63]

tbh, I kind of like some of those progression paths. For me Destiny's biggest issue (prior to the monetization nightmare they created) was the lack of good social systems. I couldn't get enough friends together to play after the first raid, and without a good way to make more friends in game... well, hard to keep going.

[@astrolord_ad1245]

This seems like vaporware. All words and no substance. Bungie has spent the last 10 years proving to us that they cannot do 1 good release per year, much less 2.

[@JR-17]

I took a break for the witch queens launch because I didn’t like the season model. I think they are trying to hard to give a lot, when they only need to release fun content whenever they can. Encore has a secret interaction that I’ve been asking for them to put in more main content. I don’t want to free roam a planet for secrets, when I have more fun joining people working on secrets while I enjoy the scenery. Throw a few rotating final bosses and dialog and you got mini prison of elders

[@Nimgif]

The jumping point is “its gone” lots of people go to warframe and can earn most items. Its just time, you never missed out on.

[@robohobo296]

It's funny how much of the problems in studios is inadequate leadership. Either leaders are hamstrung by corporate idiocy, or they lack the spine to push back and fight for the good of the team, or they lack the skills to command a team of creatives on a long project timeline. It's really hard to do well, and the way games companies pay people... Motivation is going to be tough to generate. If there was a company that could actually, finally crack the technique and lead their teams well, and deliver the dream product to the players, well... That would dominate.

[@GenMVeers]

*Excellent video!* I wish more content creators would analyse both the _state_ a game is at that moment *and* the _language_ being used in the announcements given by a company, not just the _info dump_ on an announcement. "This announcement is supposed to get me hyped up, but what does it actually _tell_ us in the situation we are currently in?"

[@soulbite4897]

Real question is how much of the old content you've already paid for are they going to remove this time with each thing they sell you.

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

Bungie has had too many "last chances" from this fanbase...they set themselves up for it every time.

[@cameronsalmon1314]

Every time Bungie’s playerbase plummets, they release an article with HUGE euphemisms that make it seem like they’ve finally turned over a new leaf and after all this time we’ve finally entered the golden age of D2. Episodes were promised to be uniformly different to seasons due to the amount of resources and time devs had, we heard this firsthand, but the actual difference in seasons and episodes are minuscule at best. The format was essentially the same repetitive and predictable quests but this time a storyline almost on par to Lightfall. It’s not different at all, just polished with the extra time developers had. If someone is sick of a dish that they’ve consumed for a decade, they still won’t enjoy it if its had more effort put into it, its the same meal.

[@playmine]

Unfortunately I left over a year and half ago and it’s ten years old now and we have the same enemies since the first game. Plus we have not left the solar system

[@danieldacorte8000]

The first of THREE Episodes, and it had: some half-assed existential crisis for Saint, some lame fake-out death for Maya, and it made you play the Exotic mission for THE LAST THREE WEEKS of the Episode's story! If they put so little work into the game NOW of all times, then you can be CERTAIN this shit will be the norm from now on

[@verandream6675]

It amazes me that destiny is still alive after so many blunders

[@DeoxTew]

My biggest issues with D2; FOMO predatory Battle Pass, sunsetting content, and letting weapons die off because their Light Level can't reach the current cap.

[@Soldiers199122]

I played Destiny 1 for well over 1000 hours. Destiny 2 came out and although I loved the gameplay I didn't like the direction of the story. Fast forward several expansions and I just got so exhausted of having such limited content and lackluster rewards, the gameplay kept me hooked though until I paid good money for the latest expansion (at the time) and got 3 or 4 hours of story/main missions then ran into just about all additional content locked behind another purchase season pass that was around $30 more, that was the final nail in the coffin and I never looked back and honestly I'm happy as I never hear anything good from this game after years.

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

The core thing that made destiny, unique that brought in all the people to begin with was the fact that it was a massively multiplayer shooter they shot themselves in the foot when they released the final shape, which is just a great single player game even when you’re finished with the campaign, the entire new section of the game is single player. I don’t care how good it is. I don’t wanna play a single player shooterlike that in 2024

[@ionic_archangel2655]

Hey bell, been a while, there’s a rumor going around that in a year and a half bungie as a company is not going to be around anymore due to the executives are apparently going to jump ship after they get marathon and the promised dlc for it out the door, the dividends for the Sony deal will be payed out and so most of the c suite are suspected to be jumping overboard with their golden parachutes. The leaker who put it out accurately predicted prismatic a week before the reveal. Leaked project payback which was an assumed destiny three but wasn’t, maybe, And in this same post as the executives leaks he warned about the second round of layoffs and that the performance of the final shape didn’t matter as the second round of layoffs were already set in stone about a month before the final shapes release. Keep in mind this is all a rumor and there is a lot that can happen between now and then but his leaking record is pretty either spot on or 70-80% accurate.

[@PhxSml]

4:17 wtf was that

[@musicmaniac8787]

Rotating all older season content every expansion release is still one of the worst things they keep doing. When I take breaks I like to come back to a lot of content.

[@fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

Aren't live service looter-shooters basically roguelites already; just with metaprogression dictated by the relentless demands of DAU/MAU and itemization by those of the cash shop; rather than being left to the game designers to tune for optimal fun?

[@zonedout3390]

You don't know a rogue lite is and it shows

[@YouSoRusso]

Bungie's last last super duper mega super serious last chance. How long can they coast off Halo's success?

[@Captain.AmericaV1]

How many *"last chance"* are people going to give? They've already shown they don't care andd their PR doing their best to give out their countless *fake* apologies, which seems to work with some people.

[@ShawnMichaels232]

Barring the issues with Bungie themselves, the problem with Destiny for me right now is that it's just stale. There are only so many hours I can spend doing the exact same thing year in and year out. I logged on today to try and continue the "episodic" quest. I ran one Nessus Battleground, and when the next step in the quest was "kill 100 Vex", I simply rolled my eyes, sighed, and quit to desktop. I'm tired of just doing the same thing over and over again for a tiny bit of story. There are some promising things they've talked about in this next roadmap, but I'm basically not holding my breath because Bungie has said time and again "we're listening", and we've seen no evidence that they actually are. There's no trust in Bungie's upper leadership, and it's heavily reflected in community sentiment right now. Including mine. I want to love playing Destiny, because I have very fond memories of playing it with friends. Of some of the best story beats I've encountered in video games. Some of the best gunplay in any first person shooter. But the repetitiveness has gotten more than old. And I'm simply tired. I'm gonna stand by and just see how this next big plan of theirs pans out. And I'm gonna hope for the best, but I'm not gonna be surprised if it ends up failing.

[@zonedout3390]

Couldnt care less about Destiny they just nerf every gun and remove paid content. I havent touched Destiny since the taken king came out because they nerf guns and the light level. Destiny 2 i quit before Forsaken because they killed Cayde-6 so im like nah im out and moved onto other games. The VoG was and is the best raid they ever did and they threw everything down the drain since then. You couldnt pay me to come back. I want a new Live service game that caters too me and doesn't nerf every patch or remove stuff I worked for. Sadly no live service games these days cater too me. I wanted a new division because they pulled the plug on TD2 not even a yr after it was out and removed and nerfed everything so i was like nah and left. Nobody wants to refarm gear every 2 weeks because devs dont know what to do. Heres to hoping a new live service game comes out i can actually care about and treats the playerbase/community right that is either an MMO or RPG FPS/TPS or something along those lines thats a looter shooter or even like Ashes comes out soon. Until then im stuck with 10+yr old games that i play along with indies