When Unstoppable Forces Collide 4 (Re:Creators, Medaka Box, JJBA)

Causality is typically referred to as the relationship between cause and effect. This phenomena is pretty vital to how the universe functions as every mechanism in our world uses causality. So what would happen if three beings with the power to control causality were to battle? The Good loser Kumagawa, Altair and Girono Giovanna are here to answer that question.
Music by White Bat Audio: / @whitebataudio
0:00 Intro
2:50 Kumagawa
8:36 Gold Experience
13:22 Altair
18:33 Battle
#jojosbizzareadventure #recreators #medakabox #anime #manga

[@Jauntypedder-pi5lz]

Kumagawa is a type of guy, that could have opportunity to win but at the end would find the most dumb reason to say that "no matter how you look at it, i lost again".

[@Yoss-iv9jf]

Kumagawa is the type of guy to win at a game but say that he lost

[@Lamp_Sama]

Hes the best

[@Memorylane1564]

If he was able to see himself win the hed just erase fanfiction, which in turn destroy her powers... Or so he thought?

[@aliastheabnormal]

From what i understand Kumagawa is simply cursed in a causalital level. Altair could just stab the guy and he'd die.

[@elijahfarias2403]

Umm... so, personally... this is the first time this has happened, so I'm a bit surprised. Only a centimeter away... I mean, I don't think there's ever been someone who's gotten that close to me... without a, you know... calamity occurring. I'm not really... not really sure what happens at one centimeter away... 'cause it's my first time. I don't really understand it either. Seriously. But in the flow of calamity... there's nobody who can attack me. Not a single person. That, I know for sure. Wonder of U.

[@Kingdoms734]

Nice

[@FROST_HUGGER]

the only stand the world over heaven cannot beat

[@elijahfarias2403]

@@FROST_HUGGER real

[@bsevghts4149]

Twoh can beat em

[@Ferrari03]

@@bsevghts4149nah, he’d win

[@toxi6836]

Kumagawa reads manga of other anime all the time. I doubt he wouldn’t try this method on his 20th try. Altair: “You can’t erase me” Kumagawa: “Bet”

[@seagullwearingjordans2970]

Say less bro

[@yaboiplank6764]

she has resistance to that. literally in the show she washes him

[@chronred8190]

i mean what stops Kumagawa from turning resistance into fiction?

[@Vins_.]

​@@yaboiplank6764she doesn't

[@tridungta9151]

@@chronred8190the problem is that she is fiction that just manifest herself in(I think) so it just like you try to kick her out from reality but her passive ability allow her to comeback even through she lost all her powers from internet

[@nagit0484]

Altair: Has limitless abilities including fate and reality manipulation Misogi "Nuh uh" Kumagawa: 🗿

[@Langkitang39]

Keep that fodder out Altair can fack him literally

[@nagit0484]

@@Langkitang39 Damn, thats a nice claim. unfortunately "nuh uh" (bro imma be fr, no way u is glazing an scp with tits)

[@scar2377]

​@@Langkitang39kumagawa the power of because I can or because I said so

[@Langkitang39]

@@scar2377 dude Altair can use every iteration of her, included the doujin, hentai, p0rn, rule34, whole internet She can fack him literally

[@Langkitang39]

​@@nagit0484​dude Altair can use every iteration of her, included the doujin, hentai, p0rn, rule34, whole internet She can fack him literally

[@Kingdoms734]

Kumagawa has red all manga and other stuff like that until 2006 when his anime and omanga was happening so anything past that he would not know about because he never said he knows every manga or anime throughout all of time and if he did have that power he would see his own death or defeat in his own manga

[@karlbenito9992]

Thank you for giving less known manga and anime the love it gets

[@koka1906]

Great video. But there was a minor mistake but a very common one when discussing GER. You mentioned GER not activating when Made in heaven was being used as an argument to say if an attack doesn't directly attack giorno than it won't be reversed but at the end of part 5 GER no longer existed. After defeating diavolo, the stand arrow used to make GER fell out. So when MiH was activated, GER didn't exist to reverse its effects. He still loses against the other 2 ofc, but this is a misconception I have seen a lot.

[@magni4066]

We see GER break out for GEs shell. The arrow is returned to giorno but i dont think it returned to normal GE, like in the games. Although a reason why GER didnt reset MiH is simply due to MiH never attacked giorno or did him harm. Or simply casue araki didnt wanna include giorno in part 6

[@koka1906]

@magni4066 The game you are thinking of "eyes of heaven" is non-canon, and even if it wasn't, you can clearly see that Gold experience has the arrow in its head. when the arrow is removed from a stand, the stand returns to its original state. We see this multiple times throughout the show; Silver Chariot's entire body transformed, but when the arrow was taken, it reverted back. When King Crimson was pierced and started to crack with blueish smoke, the transformations reversed once King Crimson lost the arrow. There are too many examples of stands transforming but reverting when the arrow is removed. Stands break all the time, and they revert back to how they were once the user's damage is healed, as seen with Silver Chariot. Act-based stands like Tusk Acts 1, 2, 3, and 4 and Echoes Acts 1, 2, and 3 are interchangeable. The user can choose which one to use, so even if a stand completely changes it can still revert back to its original form , This differs slightly in giorno's case since in the case with echos and tusk the reason they evolved was because of the users shift in mindset which can not be taken away but in the case with giorno the evolution wasn't because of a change in mindset but the arrow forced an evolution on the stand and I think I already made it clear that once the arrow is removed the stand will revert back.

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

​@@koka1906 average jojo fans not understanding the source material No. The reason G.E.R didn't activated because it didn't need to. Pucci action of resetting the universe was literally explained multiple times will not killed any single person only their soul would be transported to the new universe The only reason jolyne gang was different because they got killed before pucci can reset the universe

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

​@@koka1906 and ALSO NO. WE literally saw GER breaking out of GE like a shell The only reason SCR was in that state because pol got killed before it can fully transform, same reason for King crimson

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

​@@koka1906 BROTHER DO YOU READ STELL BALL RUN? TUSK IS NOT JOHNNY'S STAND

[@JalterIsSoFuckingHot]

I love jjba but bro Altair and Kumagawa is overkill for Giorno, I think Altair wins this

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

Altair violin is kicking Giorno piano

[@chronred8190]

Kumagawa: i could not defeat you without making you powerless; no matter how you look at it, i lost

[@davidedavide2100]

Would he really think that he lost for something like this, if it was a fight without rules?

[@chronred8190]

@@davidedavide2100 i mean-watch the last episode of Medaka Box Abnormal and you tell me

[@goldenshadow9776]

​@@davidedavide2100 Yes he would

[@davidedavide2100]

@@goldenshadow9776 Why? For what I remember, the reasons why he thought that he lost weren't things like this, though I can't be sure about what he would think in situations which didn't happen in his serie

[@recknimatorplayz6873]

There are things you forgot to mention regarding Altair... How the hell Kumagawa would even interact with her?? Like it was stated in anime that she's an Abstract existence that exist as an sketch or an information in the Internet,and she was only using an avatar to interact with anyone for convience sake and to properly do the grand reset. I think the Kumagawa could only erase all memories of everyone of her in her pre God form as in the end of the series she is now unbound by the audience approval and could use the imaginative force as her own which is the source of all the creation in re:creators world making her above the authors, audience or her fans ..

[@betweenerdev831]

Well, sure she's abstract character but her origin is something that made her popular aka mc friend project. Even if she's now above creator and creation, it only apply on her own world. For it to apply on creator world and creating entire branch of multiverse, she still need audience approval. Well, Kumagawa might just erase her character sheet/creation as well and what happen is the entire Re:Creator storyline didn't happen thus making it fiction.

[@recknimatorplayz6873]

@@betweenerdev831 like I said in the end of the series she already got amped to the point of being above the real world itself where the audience approval and the imaginative force works

[@imaginaryking5276]

I feel bad for giorno, he was facing a level of hax far beyond his comprehension, what was he gonna do against those two? 😂😭

[@AND-tu7ob]

That intro was terrifying did you make them, i love them

[@BUR404]

Thank you, I made it myself 🙂

[@someguy4405]

THE BANGERS KEEP COMING

[@shadowwizarddrip]

You should do an Unstoppable Forces collide with plot and story manipulators, since many of those characters are the definition of pure hax

[@missyummy1040]

Yay Kumagawa Misogi

[@BUR404]

A Medaka Box video isn’t complete without Missy Yummy in the comments lol

[@missyummy1040]

@@BUR404 oof am I well known or something?

[@BUR404]

@missyummy1040 nah, but I’ve seen you in a ton of Medaka box power scaling videos and comment sections

[@missyummy1040]

@@BUR404 lol I see

[@missyummy1040]

​@@BUR404BTW I think Kumagawa could just say "Erase the source of your power" and that could work, also he has slight limited 4th Wall and he know a lot of real world stuff, so he might know of you believe that

[@MakimaAndYoruSimp]

I love this series. Cant wait for the 5th one. I hope to see shinrabanshoman in on of these some day.

[@duelist4512]

I'm thinking of this matchup if I were involved and I'm thinking of how badly I'd lose but then I realised, "Nah, I'd win"

[@thorshammer7883]

Sounds like this Altair character would make for a good SCP anomaly by the mere nature her existence relies on. However Altair's reliance upon fanfiction articles and chronologies being written of her may be her biggest downfall. She relies upon a state unreal imagination to keep the existence of her powers intact. And depending upon the variables of real universe's population which empowers her state of creation and birth then she can be beaten by higher plane powers that could dwell in the real universe. Giving her a official chronological canon with set limitations that cannot be broken can likely reduce her capabilities and capacities. And if some higher power that created her material universe's rules decides to change the very fundamental laws which gave those fictional works the opportunity to be brought to life through a rapid cosmic reconstruction Altair's dependent existence would be in jeopardy. For a great powerful character Altair sure does have a terrible absolute weakness that reveals her critical importance. Her fanbase is only temporary and will one day fade away. And so her powers fade with her popularity as well. Give it a decade or two and she won't be the most popular figure for long before other ones start undermining her position as she falls into eventual obscurity and lies forgotten.

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

Wrong, she's not bound by any of those things anymore.

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

I suggest people check out @OthinusTheGod's takes on Altair.

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@davidarvingumazon5024 Oh, do tell. Enlighten me please on how her existence works or has developed to become a true independent person. For I am merely a observer who has not looked upon the franchise making evaluations upon looking at the surface information. Do reveal to me good sir about how much the variables of Altair's state of being has changed.

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

@@thorshammer7883 Read my 2nd comment.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@davidarvingumazon5024 I am aware of this Othinus channel. I used to watch him a couple years ago. However I soon grown tired of his vulgar and contentious attitude and I didn't like the way his works became overtime. It just gets tiring listening to the same untested paradigm over and over again and seeing more and more flaws in his presented arguments and statements he makes. Can I humblely request you tell me more on Altair's existence please?

[@nothingness4068]

Tldr: Giorno might stop those attacks but he reallt has no offensive ability other then damage reflect and infinite death) The thing with giorno is while he didnt stop made in heaven, he did stop time erasure which diavolo can literally not attack in and thus wouldnt be an attack, but it stopped it so like i think it just nullifies anything bad in general or anything with malicious intent, since pucci didnt kill anyone with made in heaven and had no intent to harm giorno in any way ( the universal reset does not kill people it basically just transports them to another dimension with knowledge of the future) but still only damage reflect and infinite death could do any real damage at all

[@systemx3403]

Hi didn't stop made in haven because he doesn't have g e r at that point after defeating diavolo the arrow fall off from the stand and return to normal if not for that it well easily stop time acceleration like he stops diavolos time eraser

[@soltaire01]

You could consider King Crimsons time skip an attack because he skips straight to the result of whatever epitaph predicts I.E Giorno dying by Diavolos hand.

[@systemx3403]

@@soltaire01 it's the same with time acceleration whene he changes giornos exsistance and fate ger will activate what we see from ger and even made in haven and tusk act 4 was little of there full potential because there users gain them before seconds of using theme for example look how jolyne uses stone free at the beginning of stone ocean and its end the experience and interactions make huge difference like tusk ability to open anything because we first see one interaction with the golden barrier we would never thought that he can do that to any surface like with ger we don't know if it's have to be a direct attack for its return to zero to work and if giorno knows he's ability if he can activate it at his will because the reason of him not knowing of the return to zero is because its first activate was against king crimson for example if a stand cut his arm whene ger will return it to zero giorno will release his stands ability if that was the case did that mean he can use it on anything and anyone we will never know we can only speculate because his ability is too broken to be fun watching him fight others whene we know he will wine every time and that's is my problem with part 3 jotaro

[@soltaire01]

@@systemx3403 I see, it's true we don't know for sure what the extent of GER or if it only works on attacks. And yeah part 3 Jotaro does feel like he couldn't lose.

[@systemx3403]

@@soltaire01 yeah it's the brilliance of jojo it's so much fun to speculate what's gonna happen with different scenarios He goes to the point of giving him his enemies ability just to win jotaro in later parts was so much better his ability is powerful and at the same time his enemies are not hopeless either perfectly balanced as every thing should be

[@thorshammer7883]

I think I have heard of a guy a few times over the pass years who possesses a ability so ridiculous it is one of the few but definitely not the only super powers which are perfect hard counters for scenarios like this of this degree. One of the few things which not even Altair can recover from. Absolute Character Erasure. Which I have heard some characters like Akuto Sai have. Though he is from a series which is quite... should I say a bit perverse to make it lightly from what I have heard but nonetheless quite a overpowered ability. Another power which could hard counter Altair higher cosmic authority or transcends the limitations she is functioningly reliant upon as a anchor for her manifestation in the first place. In short any entity that is independent with a higher grand design that does not share the limitations of the Re-creators need to come into being but ascends that should be able to handle Altair's powers which comes with a few strings attached because it relies on her world's level of literature writing.

[@SirChanXD]

"Her world's level of literature" I think you're confused, the plot of Re:Creator takes place in the "Real World" aka the origin of all dimensions and it's not her world per say but it is the dimension she's trying to destroy so she can end all existense

[@thorshammer7883]

@@SirChanXD Real world of Re creators does not account for other fictional worlds or dare I say "cosmologies" vastly seperate from the Re Creators "multiverse" depending how it is perceived as it's own dominion or not.

[@Andreasuprema]

@@thorshammer7883it does since we see a character reading The Call of Cthulhu 🤔 so if she went even beyond things of that caliber then I would say that puts her Beyond boundless by this point

[@thorshammer7883]

@@Andreasuprema Okay don't you think we are starting to wank the Re Creators cosmology way too much now beyond what it really is?

[@tsunderetsundere2664]

By end of series she has surpassed "her world's level of literature writing", and has became a god who can freely manipulate the imagination/imaginative force which is the source of all creation in the re creators cosmology, so take of that as you will.

[@midnight-envy]

Ok so 1:great video I’m glad you incorporated Altair 2:kumagawa still wouldn’t win At the end of the series in the guidebook it’s stated that she transcended the land of the gods(aka the real world/the place with fan fic authors) Reason for bringing this up is because the author confirmed that Altair isn’t bound to the authors in re:creators It’s why she was unaffected when she erased the universe (twice btw) And lastly you’d need to be able to erase Setsuna who’s got the same abilities as Altair but none of the drawbacks

[@davidedavide2100]

Sorry for asking it now, but do you know where I could find Re: Creators' guide-books and Light Novels online?

[@mwm9639]

Could you do: Yogiri Takatou VS Death Perception or King Hassan?

[@BUR404]

Got a Yogiri video coming soonish

[@oma6146]

If Kumagawa had over 5 braincells he'd just turn the concept of him losing into fiction Also he could turn stands into fiction if he figured out their existence

[@goldenshadow9776]

bro, i thougt i was the only one who thinks this

[@AniSwiftTVRecaps]

That's not how it works, he has control over anything that exist not the plot, for examlle he can erase death so he can't die but he can't erase the concept of someone trying to kill him. Also let's say it was possible to erase losing, then his opponent also cannot lose since most time it works throughout the universe

[@goldenshadow9776]

@@AniSwiftTVRecaps Oh, thanks for explaining it to us👍

[@oma6146]

@@AniSwiftTVRecaps then instead of someone trying to attack him then what about being attacked? Also my idea of not losing still holds as losing is a concept like time(I guess time and color have more to do with physics but it'd still work)

[@nagit0484]

​@@AniSwiftTVRecaps sometimes ppl forget that misogi's power isn't just saying "Nuh uh" To anything

[@rinarina1656]

20:27 GER Didn't existed during the time acceleration In episode 38 (11:43) of jojo u can see the stand arrow outside of golden expense, because of the arrow coming out of GER it turned back in to gold experience. That is why goirno couldn't do any thing during time acceleration.

[@majoratwili7312]

Finally people get it! Everyone always goes "BuT GER!!!" when sticking him into any fight ever. By all technicalities, GER NEVER EXISTED! Like... We, as the audience know of it. But GER was created and stopped existing at the same time if you look at it from an in universe perspective. From everyone's perspective besides Diavolo's, Gold Experience grabbed the arrow and then the arrow left it. Therefore, it technically does not exist

[@rinarina1656]

@@majoratwili7312 I got this information from watching (The Metas) channel.

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

Man,im tired of "jojo fans" misinterpreted and even spreading misinformation about their own show

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

​​​@@majoratwili7312 please rewatched Vento Aureo and analyse it in great details instead of spreading blatant lies that never happened

[@maku3857]

I think kumagawa easily wins, but it wouldn’t be strange for her to be capable of killing him at least once or twice

[@alivetoadstool1289]

If kumagawa wins he loses his power is because he is a complete loser so even if he wins he loses

[@Saneisekaifan]

@@alivetoadstool1289 nope he will end it in a tie and say he lost

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

​@@Saneisekaifan Or he could spin it in some way like "meeting a person like you and then losing you is a total loss"

[@snowed6713]

@@alivetoadstool1289 He only loses in his own mind.

[@alivetoadstool1289]

@@snowed6713 like the fight shown with the paint guy did he not get spiked after saying he lost?

[@user-oz8rt7qs5q]

Now make a video about bob and his causality manipulation

[@gafraavrilt2297]

Altair And Esdeath Is Gonna Be Best Friends And Sisters Forever

[@elementallobsterx]

Best power scaler

[@gafraavrilt2297]

Altair Is Like Esdeath Older Sister

[@capt.tubbies8792]

@BOTUNDERREPAIR How about the fight, scale, and their differences between vasto Lorde vs Mahoraga (Bleach vs Jujutsu Kaisen)

[@madambutterfly1997]

Kumagawa is definitely one of those characters that if you put him in bleach, Yhwach is getting no diff’d easily. Kumagawa can briefly erase the concept of the future, basically making the Almighty useless. He could also erase the concept of the Aüshwalen so Yhwach can’t strengthen himself any further.

[@ultraola4588]

Good video but a comment you've probably seen countless times is that gold experience requiem didn't exist in part 6 because at the end of part 5 we see giorno holding the requiem arrow, so gold experience doesn't have it, meaning gold experience reqiuem didn't exist to reset the universe erasure so we still don't know how it scales. It's still fair to say it would lose, but if it can reset anything then arguably it could win

[@alterego9082]

You could make a video about characters who are carried by the magical item they have, and compare items themselves and how much item requires from its users, or maybe that it does not need them, example being Allison with key of kings from Kill Seven Billion Demons,

[@gafraavrilt2297]

Esdeath vs Altair = Mahapadma vs Holopsicon

[@bondo9873]

As a gun nerd, you calling ppsh41 a tommygun freaked me out

[@serveranime8907]

Bob is the strongest

[@BUR404]

A true believer!!

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

@@BUR404 What's your thoughts on @OthinusTheGod's takes on Altair?

[@clinged2711]

W vid 😊

[@mrdogeguy7299]

I have a few characters I want to see in this series Alice Anotherbible (In the third installment of A Certain Magical Index, her ability is confusing asf but also crazy busted and would fit right into this series) Josuke Higashikata (JJBA Part 8, Go Beyond to be specific for which version of Soft & Wet) ORT (Fate/Grand Order) Manaka Sajyou (Fate/Prototype) Yukari Yakumo (Touhou Project)

[@mrdogeguy7299]

Also Najimi Ajimu should be in one of these, I would recommend Void Shiki but she's way to op and should just get a video about her

[@Chronicle234]

You could create one about characters that can copy abilities

[@achmodinivswe9500]

Which characters can copy abilities? I know of that one student in MHA, and I can’t remember any other character with that ability. Maybe Garou?

[@Chronicle234]

Medaka kurokami, Rimuru tempest Yuta okkutsu,Yu otosaka, and Ban

[@achmodinivswe9500]

@@Chronicle234 I did not know Ban could take others abilities. But you said copy which Ban doesn’t do, he steals it. Yu also steals abilities. (Steal as in taking the ability from someone else and removing it from the target, like how All For One does it) Medaka and Yuta copy abilities. I don’t really know about Rimuru, it depends if he need to kill the target to copy the ability or not.

[@nagit0484]

​@@Chronicle234Do not do Yuta like dat bro 💀

[@ViRo02Cas]

What would happen if someone were to use an instant global-scale mindwipe and deletion of all things such as literature, artworks, videos, music, etc. that relates to Altair, but not affecting her exactly, during the story of Re:Creators?

[@blank9935]

Kumagawa knows he in a manga he reads different manga and his screw work that you can't dodge them cause he can just imagine you got hit and you hit am personally would give it to kumagawa

[@temmie5764]

Can’t wait for a KSSJ character to appear in one of these

[@user-ug7kd6vp9h]

Kamagawa was known for reading manga so he possibly already know about both of their powers and weaknesses not only that, he could saying nothing and the ability to work.

[@tsunderetsundere2664]

Pre end of series altair's only weakness is that she needs audience approval for her powers, but because she relies on audience approval, no one else can technically negate, destroy, copy, or absorb holopsicon as long as they don't have the same audience approval as altair. Audience approval is an in universe application of the imagination/imaginative force, which is a metaphysical force that created everything in the re creators cosmology. This includes concepts, laws, the real world, and the story worlds which is confirmed in anime, novel, guide books, manga, and the author of the series to be actual worlds, not fictional worlds.

[@JoshuaIfidi]

Anshin'in seems like a far better match for Altair honestly, but nice video!

[@MarkRabaya-zu7ce]

Can you make a video about featherine from umineko verse or ajimu najime or better make them collide 😅

[@karlbenito9992]

Kumagawa Misogi for the lose (if you get that reference)

[@gabrielemolteni5177]

technically the 13th movement of the cosmos would activate return to zero because if the goal of giorno giovanna is to win then any ability used that would prevent him from winning will be erased the same could be applied to all fiction however you are right about that tecnique that makes her invincible because it doesn't exactly go against his goals in the same way as diavolo was able to maintain his memories thanks to his abilities because creating these defense wouldn't make her win and so it's not a threat to giorno 's goal making this fight a stalemate eetween the two meanwhile kumagawa loses asalways because of his mentality since it's in character for him to surrender simply because he would find it too tiring and his fight against medaka has shown us that someone with more reasons to win would be able to beat kumagawa even with bookmaker active upon them also kumagawa can't see and doesn't know what stands are meaning that he can't erase stand arrows since he needs to understand or know the concept in order to erase it the real reason why pucci universal erasure didn't activate golden experience requiemis because it didn't affect giorno goals since knowing his fate wouldn't cause any problem to him into reaching his dreams and since he didn't even know who pucci was his goal wasn't defeating him

[@tsunderetsundere2664]

13th movement wouldn't activate RTZ since it's a literal manipulation of the character's narrative/plot description, it doesn't target giorno himself, but the information/data regarding his narrative existence in the JJBA story.

[@yohanevan5158]

you should make another video with Wonder of U please

[@gabbycal]

Could you do a Bohemian Rhapsody vs a verse or Rohan vs a verse.

[@samuraituff9653]

Im pretty sure ger could have rtz mih but also earseing stand arrows wouldnt earse a stand since there are mutiple ways to get a stand like hermit purple or just by manifasting it but reguardless be still gets stomp any way

[@CoffinOfPeakFiction]

I wonder who'd win between Ajimu and Altair

[@user-qw2my2ef8k]

You said it yourself the speed of these screws can't even be seen and they aren't bounded by space when hit by bookmaker neither return to zero or alteir can do something about it, it appears in the victim and if their hit by either bookmaker or all fiction both of these will insistly spell death for alteir and giorno

[@teddyriggs1305]

You Forgot The Majin that Subjugate Gods and Slaughters Devils Mazinger ZERO

[@akiharurichards4587]

When you make one covering bobobo then I'll subscribe

[@kasrkin100]

Meanwhile Chowder that can stay alive in real life be like: Mung I think we broke the recipe again.

[@lorenbrown7100]

2 months late so basically altair is just a take apart and rebuild toy since basically we can take her apart and remake her op or weak since she doesn't belong to a story i gotta watch ore anime how the heck did i miss this one

[@yasseribad4648]

can you make a vid about who's the strongest Martial artist

[@BUR404]

Definitely have something like that planned

[@mando22f87]

could you do: IDW shockwave vs altair?

[@mando22f87]

darn it@Yourfavisrocklevel

[@dark-dt5xp]

i see jojo i click

[@andikaaherdiyanto917]

Can you do some cartoon verse next like discord, bill cipher and the collector

[@iamkevib9718]

Let's ask the important question here, I wonder if this two could finally put Diavolo out of his misery?

[@pure_bliss3931]

Kumagawa be like: very cool but.. your fiction so bye bye

[@arthur08899]

*everybody is going to ignore the start?*

[@Davinator12]

I’m just going to wait for an official JJBA power scaling book by this point. I’m getting tired of seeing Jojo characters lose all the time on KZbin😭

[@BUR404]

IDK man, I think Stands would do pretty well against Hajime No Ippo characters

[@JoshuaIfidi]

@@BUR404LMAOOO

[@KONADIODA]

​@@BUR404you just put them against gods😭 Now put them against yogiri takatou😈😈😈

[@abdalmuhsin393]

@@BUR404if ger takes away the truth of him being defeated by any way possible, doesn’t ger automatically win? Cuz ur never reaching the truth of u winning? Like king crimson was literally fated to beat his adversaries and grab hold of the arrow to become king, but that truth didn’t come to pass, so if all fiction or whatever else was gonna be used in any way that would cause Giorno’s defeat, that just wouldn’t come to pass…the only reason why would it would be a draw is that ger may not have the fire power to kill his 2 opponents, but that’s what I think

[@gabbycal]

@@KONADIODARohan has erased the idea of infinity from his mind and has beaten gods, why do you say he is weak?

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Who is kumugawa? Why does he have the same ability as medoka? In your other video

[@BUR404]

Kumagawa was a villain in the anime/manga series Medaka Box. His ability was called All Fiction and Book Maker but Medaka has the ability to copy other abilities so she copied Kumagawa’s powers

[@Animeiscool-sd8kk]

One problem kumagawa is caught up on every manga

[@BUR404]

She isn’t present in any form of manga.she’s a niche online character.

[@yaboiplank6764]

shes an anime original character and kumagawa only read all manga up to 2006

[@UIgogeta1987]

Kumagawa has read all manga and watched all anime. He would know about her being a fictional character

[@IRRELEVANT_Al]

Doesn't kumagawa see all weaknesses, and can altair be affected by imagine manifestation cause she isn't real?

[@BUR404]

He knows every human weak point not weaknesses in general and his imagination can only manifest his own physical structures, it hasn’t been hinted to effect other people as far as I’m aware

[@IRRELEVANT_Al]

@@BUR404 thanks for clearing it up, I was a little confused that's all.

[@aliawada9420]

Add toguri and make another oart of this

[@altu8590]

Hi, JoJo nerd here. The reason Gold Experience Requiem didn't stop Time Acceleration is because it didn't exist, or at least it is what many of the JoJo community came to the conclusion of, since the Beetle Arrow left Giorno's body.

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

Don't call yourself a jojo nerd

[@altu8590]

@@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38 i will call myself a jojo nerd and i will wear it like a badge of honor god damn it

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

@@altu8590 a nerd will comprehend and understand what they're reading and watching (which you are extremely lacking to do so)

[@altu8590]

@@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38 First of all, that's very mean. Second, this is an opinion that nit only me, but many of the JoJo community has agreed upon, granted Araki wouldn't tell us directly so we're working with sticks, stones, and duct tape, but just dismissing what he interpreted makes you an asshole. TLDR; shut up.

[@user-vl1oo4lf6i]

I agree with the battle statmants. But nah bob win and solo all three...if he joined in.

[@loxd4603]

Zero punch bypasses first hit

[@sealeafharris4151]

here's the thing tho if kutagawa was a human in the world he would win but if he was brought in by altair she wins

[@mckillertroll9655]

Now I wanna see Altair vs ajimu vs Novel Kars or Novel Dio

[@mckillertroll9655]

@Yourfavisrocklevel they are OP as hell💀 or if u want instead of Novel Dio or Kars we can put Featherine so that's it will be a battle between OP "girls"

[@dpolaristar4634]

Wouldn't it make more sense to put Giorno in the same weight class As Stay Night Lancer?

[@minihatsunemikufan]

It really did make me laugh realizing though Giorno has one of the strongest, if not the strongest, stands in JJBA, he is still the weakest in the three.

[@systemx3403]

Actually the reason why ger didn't stop the time acceleration is because its not with giorno because he stab his stand with the arrow not him self witch give him ger for one use

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

Hush

[@systemx3403]

@@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38 dude what

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

@@systemx3403 hush..you clearly can't comprehend golden wind clearly

[@systemx3403]

@@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38 why is that exactly

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

@@systemx3403 go watch it back

[@LeAnonymuzViewer]

i’m curious on how Altair could do in the SCP verse

[@friendpedro9176]

What exactly?

[@DiogeneseZarathusthra]

Izayoi Samaki Should better be placed and be replaced among Them.

[@raydaveed]

So technically GER is both an unstoppable force and an immovable object.

[@WhiteTSGamer]

When i saw the title I knew altair winning this fight. She has literally an infinite abilities. I would not be surprise if can just copy both GER and Kumagawa powers. Still Good Vid Man😁.

[@ravenstales6457]

She *is* fanfiction incarnate, she literally had to be beaten by an ability to flip cause and effect (infinite deception of words) and her own attraction to her creator

[@WhiteTSGamer]

@@ravenstales6457 Yeah she way to powerful in verses matches

[@ravenstales6457]

@@WhiteTSGamer Love that show, its an absolute rewatch, meta AF when you think about it. She won and lost at the same time, techically if she so chose she could just walk out of her prison and cause havoc, but she *wont* because she has her creator with her.

[@friendpedro9176]

​@@ravenstales6457 They did NOT defeat her, she simply created her own multiverse with her creator. And it is NOT limited to real world people, as the author of Re:Creators said

[@ravenstales6457]

@@friendpedro9176 I use the term "defeat" tenatively here, since she can always walk out of her "prison" she just will never want to

[@Sean-rv5yp]

Algorithm button, also once again you've cooked but what I wanna know is if the 3 of them could even touch Bob

[@BUR404]

Even if all three of them worked together, Bob would still dominate

[@Sean-rv5yp]

@@BUR404 damn.

[@betweenerdev831]

​@@BUR404I wonder what Bob actual power is... it's seem similar to Kumagawa... is it Manipulating Story type or Undo Scene type?

[@BUR404]

It’s both with a tiny bit of reality and matter manipulation mixed in

[@betweenerdev831]

@@BUR404 wait... is it worldline manipulation?

[@missskabls2247]

👍🏾

[@Your7T7]

1. GER's ability is not limited just to things which are harmful to Giorno, nor was GER "unable" to stop Made in Heaven, it just had no reason to do so, since Giorno is no longer bound by fate after obtaining the Stand in the first place. If it had an arbitrary limitation such as that, it would be mentioned somewhere in the multiple ability explanations we get for the Stand in and out of story. 2. GER speed blitzes both Kumagawa and Altair pretty badly, and while that isn't enough to kill Altair, it is absolutely enough to kill Kumagawa. Also, as soon as GER kills Kumagawa, he is thrown into a death loop, which is explicitly stated and shown to be the best way to bypass All Fiction's immortality within Kumagawa's extra story. He cannot turn the damage into nothing when GER is hitting Infinite speed casually whilst Kumagawa is stuck at baseline FTL at best, thus he dies to GER's attacks, thus he is permanently dead. 3. GER is stated to be able to turn abilities into 0 in certain translations of his original Stand stats page, as well as in his entry in JoJoveller, and illuded to by his speech in the story itself. With this, as well as his ability itself just scaling on the same level as Holopsicon (having at least Universal capabilities via disabling Time Erasure and at best Multiversal capabilities via the death loop), all on top of a MASSIVE speed advantage, he would likely be able to disable Altair's Movements as well, rendering her vulnerable. Oh, and also, when you are in the death loop all of your abilities including your ability to move outside of the death's parameters AND your special powers (in Diavolo's case, King Crimson) are disabled, so they literally could not escape via their powers.

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

Thank god someone that actually comprehend what was happening when watching golden wind

[@tsunderetsundere2664]

We forgetting that altair was able to escape ionion aporia which targets the enemies concept and seals them in an infinite space, she also resisted pattern of contract which negates the target's abilities and seals the target, dont forget sirius existence change which negates the target's abilities and absorbs them on a conceptual level which still couldn't stop altair, and she was able to resist the real world's restorative power which again negates the creations powers, she also transcends causality as a whole, so she pretty much can just get out of the loop just fine. Also, don't forget that altair was able to overpower being put in a plot device where all of her enemies was written to have plot armor. Altair outline origins both giorno and kumagawa back into their fodder forms GGEZ

[@Your7T7]

@@tsunderetsundere2664 Every universe in JoJo is infinite in size (supported by the fact that time can only reach its "end" and begin anew once it has been accelerated to literal infinity), and GER sends its opponents to what is presumably an indefinite number of parallel worlds which are each identical to the standard universe in JoJo (of which there are infinite of course, which we know thanks to D4C), so his ability is functionally infinitely larger in scale than a prison that is just one infinitely massive space. Also, conceptual manipulation works only on your own dimensional tier or lower. 3D Concept Manip cannot effect a being who is 4D or above, the quality of the concepts which make up their existence is immeasurably higher than that of a 3D being. GER has some fairly solid 4D scaling (or at the very least, we know Return to Zero is 4D hax at minimum due to being able to completely negate other 4D hax). GER is faster and RtZ scales higher than any ability she has shown dimensionally, therefore she could not get rid of GER before RtZ procs and negates anything she just did. Again, infinite speed VS Relatavistic+ lmfao (also, there are arguments for RtZ being immeasurable speed, but I personally don't subscribe to them) I have seen people try to argue her to anywhere as far as Outer but it's just the same as with Fate characters. Fancy wording that can be interpreted any number of ways blown far out of proportion. As far as actual feats go she is just Universal+, which is not enough to overcome RtZ at Low Multiversal. Most of what you said is null because the hax itself matters a lot less than the character who is using it. You have to show proof that the hax itself or the character who uses it is of a dimensional tier that can counter GER. She was placed in a plot device where her enemies have plot armor? What is a "plot device"? is it a standalone dimension? A universe? How many dimensions does that universe contain, and are they infinite in size? If it's just a regular 3D world then it really doesn't matter what it was designed to do.

[@tsunderetsundere2664]

​@@Your7T7 The Re creator verse is also a multiverse, the storyworlds aren't really fiction they are worlds separate from the real world/land of the gods with their own narrative causality, physics, concepts and laws, it's just that the land of the gods have a higher narrative causation than the storyworlds, and altair scales above the storyworlds, and in end of series the real world/land of the gods too. That's not how conceptual manipulation works, conceptual manipulation do not depend on dimensional tiering unless when the concept itself is related to dimensionality. Conceptual manipulation only affects concepts, which can depend on what types, abstract, reality dependent, or psychological, can be a concept that govern reality or operate within reality. Some people argue her to be outerversal because in one of the anime guidebook, the lovecraftian mythos was stated as one of the storyworlds, which altair scales above. Fate's akashia was described to transcend all theory of dimensions, I think that's where they got their outerversal from, no one really scales to it tho, it's more of the scale of their setting. Also altair was gonna create an infinite amount of worlds by end of series, and the author stated she transcends the real world too which is the source of all storyworlds therefore transcending the storyworld multiverse The bird cage is a narrative/plot device which is basically a story where altair loses to the heroes, and the heroes get plot armor as long as the audience sees them as the heroes and altair was able to resist and overpower its plot manipulation. In terms of dimensionality, altair scales above all other creations, including magane whose own story world has the hound of tindalos which is a being from the lovecraftian mythos. In the guidebook it was stated to exist in supernatural angled space, and existing since the beginning of time, hunting it's target to the beyond time and even transcending dimensions, lovecraft was namedropped as well, also in the DVD infographic it was stated to have the ability to transcend space and time, so at bare minimum altair is 5D.

[@KONADIODA]

Kumagawa solos cause he has seen other anime so there is 50/50 chance he has seen re creators so he can use all fiction and delete her cause

[@user-qw2my2ef8k]

So if you asked me it's 95% on kumagawa's side his death is literally fiction/non-exsistent he can't be eliminated

[@technoimperialist9509]

Now, the true question here. What character could actually defeat kumagawa?

[@dungeonmaster0656]

Medaka.

[@OneDragon-ps2pm91]

Othinus

[@Youzan808]

Anyone above uni

[@yoaveragelostmain1862]

@@Youzan808 never cook again

[@Youzan808]

@@yoaveragelostmain1862 it's true tho 🤷‍♂️ anyone who has anti hax can beat him

[@Akigahdam]

lmao ger would just get erased because of all fiction since it affects concepts so he could just very well say "the concept of stands is nothing" and it'd get erased but against Altair idk i thought that against 2 unstoppable forces the only thing that wins is speed since altair could just get rid of all fiction but kumagawa could just get rid of holopsicon. also i just imagine kumagawa just accepting defeat as soon as altair shows her power lmao

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

Say... won't that cause RtZ to activate? Which would return the action to Zero...which would make a never ending loops? (Ignoring the fact Rtz can even reset will power)

[@Akigahdam]

@@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38 uh its not really told if rtz is always ready to be activated or needs activation but if it doesnt need activation and its instant then yes time loop. but if needs activation then no because kumigawas all fiction is instant so no loop

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

@@Akigahdam would you count activated in an erased time....instant?

[@Akigahdam]

@@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38 oh i actually forgot that good point i guess ger actually solos

[@astralasher8700]

Does novel ger stand a better chance?

[@Saibotedits747]

Most definitely against kumagawa

[@clarkjehancatabas9107]

Can yogiri beat altair?

[@yaboiplank6764]

Madoka Kaname v Medaka Kurokami v Haruhi Suzumiya?

[@grod8434]

Bob solos

[@MaverickX578]

Altair would definitely solo the MCU and DCEU

[@MaciejBednarczyk]

Giorno FTW

[@martinbemeter3812]

Bobobo still solos

[@joshuapatterson8269]

Spoilers for GT9 Sooooooo is Touma going to be in the next one of these? 😅

[@user-qw2my2ef8k]

Actually to correct you kumagawa knows all of fiction he literally even knows he himself is fiction and about the screws they don't have to touch you since in he's second fight against colour of beauty he bearly used any screws and his other ability can bring her down to the world's greatest losers level so alteir is getting her a$$ handed to her

[@tsunderetsundere2664]

Confirmed by the author and the anime guidebooks pre-transcendent altair's holopsicon can not be destroyed, nullified, copied or absorbed by other characters unless they have the same audience approval as altair. Audience approval is an in universe application of imagination/imaginative force, which is a metaphysical/transcendent force that created everything in the re creators cosmology from worlds(both the real world and the storyworlds), people, powers, concepts, laws, dimensions, etc. Funny enough in medaka box I remember a character called iihiko who has such an overpowering meta narrative existence that even ajimu or kumagawa could not actually beat or harm, so book maker, which IIRC wouldn't work on iihiko cause his ability doesn't allow other ability he doesn't approve of to work on him, would not work on altair for the same reason. This is just pre transcendent, after transcending the real world altair completely became a god not bound by the real world and their influence anymore, where she can freely manipulate the very imagination/imaginative force, so by end of series book maker would straight up not work regardless of audience approval.

[@user-eg7gs7ro7w]

A JoJo reference

[@animepowerlevel7906]

Way anos voldigoad not here?

[@nonamepetko]

He doesn't fit in thematically. This is a video comparing causality manipulators. He's acasual which means he is immune to all of their abilities (maybe except for book maker but he can overpower it), but he isn't a causality manipulator.

[@animepowerlevel7906]

@@nonamepetko Will you said he immune to everything which is right for anos

[@African-AmericanGoose]

Ppl who say superman base form solo anime verse 💀

[@BUR404]

I mean, base form Superman is pretty crazy, he can solo a good chunk of anime universes