How far would Altair get in Dragon Ball? (Re:Creators)

Who is stronger between Altair from the Re:Creators series and Goku from Dragon Ball? This is a question that has been asked copious amounts of times. But what if we change the question. What is we asked how far Altair would get in the Dragon Ball universe period. Would she even reach Goku? Find out in todays video!
- Timestamps -
00:00 - Intro
00:31 - What is Re:Creators
01:27 - Altair's abilities
04:56 - Power of the Holopsicon
07:33 - Ranking Altair
10:36 - Tier list placement
11:11 - Outro
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Re:Creators

[@meliodas6371]

Altair is one of the most broken character I've seen. Ability to literally manipulate the plot of other characters, erasing their powers, copying it or even turning them back to their self from the start of series is something unbelievably powerful in fiction.

[@ijudgeanime]

yeah she is just on crack, insanely busted

[@ikeillue8385]

The problem is, it relies specifically on the concept of her creators being from a universe that considers the universe she is in to be fictional. So, in this case, if she existed in Dragon Ball, DB isn't considered a fictional universe, therefore her hacks would be almost completely irrelevant. She would have to rely on her own natural, non hack power. Now, how powerful that is, I legitimately have no idea. But it doesn't change the fact that she would be severely nerfed being up against non fictional people.

[@toumabyakuya]

@@ikeillue8385 That's true only if she was native to the DB Universe. If she was instead created as a fictional character in the DB Universe that is invading said Universe (as it actually happens in the show), then she would have all her powers.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@toumabyakuya Correct me if I'm wrong, but her power only effect the fictional characters in that world though, do they not? At least that is how it sounded in the above video. Like, she can't manipulate the narrative of a non fiction human, because he isn't a part of a narrative. I mean, she seems like she is an exceptionally powerful individual regardless, but the busted hacks seem to be aimed at beating the other fictional characters (again, unless I'm just misunderstanding.).

[@toumabyakuya]

@@ikeillue8385 Yes, but the DB world can be a fictional world for her. Some of the characters in Re:Creators came from fictional Universes that she invaded. Basically, it would be as if she was a fictional character invading the DB world.

[@LOCKED-ON]

In my opinion, B is the most likely scenario. Since DB characters are perceived as non fictional in their own verse most of Altair’s powers are useless or we need to take a bunch of creative liberties to make it work. A is more fun sure, but saying that is basically saying she is a real person or has the same fictional perception of a real person. It’s just unrealistic to say she’ll be that powerful outside her own verse.

[@ijudgeanime]

Yeah thats fair. I had the same thought process. Thats why I listed both scenarios cause it wouldnt be fair to just jump to A haha

[@zaphkielbellofiore185]

In the first minutes of re:creator she transports Sota to Selesia's world as collateral(side effect (English is not my first language :v)) and then brings the fictional characters back to reality and they can all use their powers without restrictions. So where did you get that her powers are useless against non-fiction?

[@LOCKED-ON]

@@zaphkielbellofiore185 The reason is that DB characters wouldn’t be fiction to alteior and since most of her powers rely on things she perceives as fiction it wouldn’t work on DB characters. Sorry if what I said originally wasn’t clear.

[@zaphkielbellofiore185]

@@LOCKED-ON you just repeated the same thing. so, my answer is the same. "from where did you get that her powers are useless against non-fiction?" Where it says that her powers rely on things she perceveis as fiction?

[@LOCKED-ON]

@@zaphkielbellofiore185 alterior can only use her powers on characters she perceives as fictional. Although DB may be fictional to us it wouldn’t be the same for alterior. You have to think of it as like alterior’s powers only work on manga things in her own verse, and since DB characters aren’t considered manga in their own universe in the prompted scenario alterior wouldn’t be able to use her abilities on DB characters. Basically my point is that alterior can only use her powers on fictional things in fictional universes since she herself is a fictional character and can only use her powers on characters she views as fictional and since DB characters aren’t fictional in their own fictional verse, alterior wouldn’t win.

[@goldenangel158]

Great video

[@ijudgeanime]

thanks man

[@goldenangel158]

@@ijudgeanime your welcome

[@violet_xe2728]

I kinda like Scenario B due to the creative limitations imposed on the character, but there are at least 2 stories I know of from DB lore. Story 1: In OG dragonball Master Roshi explained a legend pertaining to the creation and powers of the "original dragon ball" which, as we now know, was entirely made up. If used, Altair could make a dragon rivaling Porunga or potentially even Super Shenron. Story 2: Another Legend comes from Super wherein, for all intents and purposes, the Super Saiyan God was all prophetic fiction because Yamoshi never achieved the form. The consequences of such a thing being fictional are dubious at best, but since realistic fiction exists there's no reason Altair couldn't at least make use of SSG or the ritual proper.

[@MrUniverseGod]

This is interesting and fun to see ngl

[@ijudgeanime]

Thanks man 🫡

[@yoman8027]

Now the question: who would win in a battle between Ajimu Najimi and Altair?

[@redmaxxs]

Man I got to see a video with her vs Medaka from Medaka Box that would be the most interesting fight ever. Because of the way their powers work they counter each other.

[@Inkrack]

Altair is really weird to go with, if Goku or any character in general is treated as a Creation in Re:CREATORS, she godstomps. But if they are treated as "real" beings, then we might have an interesting outcome.

[@tgf0cj101]

I think it's time for Batman vs Dragonball

[@ijudgeanime]

My man bruce is gonna get his booty clapped but that would be fun

[@komaristudios2863]

​@crimsonhunter7598 says as he only makes it to the saiyan saga

[@komaristudios2863]

@crimsonhunter7598 because I don't really think that batman would just survive a saiyan invasion well without help. And don't say prep time. And sure if he defeat radtiz he could learn and Analyze the saiyan DNA to find a weakness but only if he somehow wins. Batman either would only be at Jr or saiyan saga. Anything else would be not possible especially namek.

[@komaristudios2863]

@crimsonhunter7598 i just don't believe batman could just get passed that saga well without help from the Justice League especially since unlike the man of steel batman can't just pull out kryptonite and win.

[@gabrielnogueira3446]

Since this is the sort of character being analyzed, you might just want to do a video on SCP-3812, just because why not.

[@ijudgeanime]

the scp universe is mad strong

[@lashonnakennybrew4847]

I truly do love a whole bunch of isekai mangas and Harem manga with the broken character Beyond fiction PS you should do a video on how far would featherine get in dragon ball please I love anime characters and marvel comics and dc comics characters who are outerversal and broken beyond fiction

[@ijudgeanime]

The isekai verse has so many stupifly broken characters lmao

[@GLMZIGM]

Featherine would so easily clear Dragonball that it isn't funny

[@drakenpriest]

5minutes in. ill come back after ive watched this anime.

[@ijudgeanime]

based watcher

[@PokemonProfessorNebula]

Misogi Kumagawa next TwT

[@jadedvibez6305]

WOAH WOAH WOAH I DIDNT EXPECT A JUMPSCARE AT 3:48

[@ijudgeanime]

👀..... So you know him

[@jadedvibez6305]

@@ijudgeanime I beat him up regularly on Xeno(I hate that man)

[@8bitutopia182]

Rewriting the plot? Get Void Shiki, Toribot and TOAA here Altair bout to learn what plot really is 😂 for real though, I feel like Altair is hard to use in a VS setting because her powers since very very specific to her verse. I know you said you just made two scenarios, but it still feels wrong to put her in the same tier as Archie Sonic who is legitimately OP unlike how specific Altair is. IMO I’d put her in her own tier, not soloing DBS, but just a vague tier.

[@ijudgeanime]

ooof void shiki... Type Moon verse has some of the most ridiculous blokes ever

[@toumabyakuya]

Okay, you weren't lying when you said that we would break the W-streaks!. Altair. Yeah, she's one of the most busted characters out there. I think she's only surpassed by Mazinger Zero.

[@ijudgeanime]

yh the ability to rewrite shit is just broken beyond belief

[@Wallie33.]

How would Mazinger Zero beat Altair? Also wouldn’t the Elder God Demonbane be a better example if we use mechs? Pretty sure that’s actual strongest mech in all of Mech anime media. He is from a visual novel to be exact tho but close enough.

[@toumabyakuya]

@@Wallie33. Simple, because Mazinger Zero cannot be rewritten, he exists no matter what. He's a constant that the Universe itself causes. He also has plot manipulation at his advantage. And I simply am a fan of Mazinger and haven't read Demonbane so that's why I did not bring him up. But yeah, he could easily beat Zero.

[@wanttogetfood]

It's better to ask how much if rakes for Altair to eradicate every character Toriyama has ever written

[@ijudgeanime]

Shed prob neg in the money department if she did that 😭

[@ikeillue8385]

I'm making this comment as I go, and I'm completely unfamiliar with this character, so everything I say will be based 100% on the information I get from the video. First point I'm going to bring up, and its nothing against the video, its more against writers. If someone comes back from being erased from existence, then they weren't erased. Period. The fact that Altair comes back from being "erased on a conceptual level" means that the erasure was not complete, or that she has an existence beyond that of the concept. If you don't exist, you can't come back, because you have no abilities to bring you back with, because you don't exist. Anyway, soap box done. Second point that I was going to bring up was actually brought up directly in the video. The concept of "what is fiction" in the story. The fact is, in the Dragon Ball universe, the universe is not a fictional universe (in the canon. I know heroes goes into that nonsense.). So, her fiction manipulating power really wouldn't do much of anything. Also, as far as fictional character, we actually do get some idea of fictional characters in Dragon Ball. Namely in Great Saiyaman. We see that they are making movies of him, mimicking Gohan's spectacles while performing, which we all know Gohan is DRASTICALLY reducing his power. Also, this is already Buu saga, when these are taking place. In addition we have Hercule's movies, where its a fictional version of Hercules, who may be exaggerated to some degree, but based on what we see in the Cell games "recreation", they don't seem to exaggerate him much, but instead reduce other things to his level (unintentionally.). Point is, based on what we have seen, nothing in the DB universe's fictional roster is going to be much of a threat to anything significant in the "real world." That said, it technically doesn't matter whether or not she gets her fiction manipulating abilities. Because again, DB characters have that obnoxious hack that lets them ignore hacks based on shear power (could she remove that hack with her fiction manipulation? Maybe, but she would have to overpower their ability to resist hacks in order to get rid of it, so it makes an endless loop.). As far as I'm aware (with this video effectively being my only real knowledge into her power scaling.), her shear magnitude of power isn't terribly high, he just has busted hacks. This would ultimately result in characters eventually overpowering her hacks. Now, because I don't actually know the details of the power scaling, I will put her up to the BOG arc, setting her to the point when DB characters are very cleanly in the "universal levels of power are trivial" point. Again, I don't know if her shear power is even getting to that point, or is higher than that, but I find that there are really not a lot of fictional characters that actually hit that level of power, so I feel like its safe.

[@ijudgeanime]

Yeah those are fair takes. Sometimes writers just kinda botch it

[@ikeillue8385]

@@ijudgeanime It happens a lot when writers effectively say "I want my character to be insanely overpowered, just because", and then just start saying things that sound impressive, without putting any actual thought behind what it actually means.

[@ijudgeanime]

@@ikeillue8385 Yeah making charaters *too* overpowered is just lazy writing imo

[@Lucaterpie]

That farfa jumpscare was crazy

[@ijudgeanime]

He was just watching some mememe bro

[@Lucaterpie]

@@ijudgeanime the baby has been popped😔

[@ijudgeanime]

@@Lucaterpie Misc at one hurts my feelings man

[@lightfalldark3616]

I know you don't consider Arale but since you mentioned her, Altair would get stomped by her

[@zaphkielbellofiore185]

would win against Altair with what?

[@lightfalldark3616]

@@zaphkielbellofiore185 higher Ap and Stats+ higher D+ plot manip+ plot manip resistance + shifting D + and infinite more haxes

[@zaphkielbellofiore185]

@@lightfalldark3616 All she can do Altair already did on the first episode .-.

[@lightfalldark3616]

@@zaphkielbellofiore185 yeah but with wayy lower stats and with no toon force

[@Saibotedits747]

Debatable

[@okinataketori9713]

Man what is up with characters theses days with just full hacks powers. What ever happened to a guy fighting a guy.

[@ijudgeanime]

It didnt sell well 😭 but yeah fistfights are cooler

[@GeekBoy-ro9zb]

Lol she is not passing farmer with shot gun 😂😂 but in reality she solos dragon ball universe low diff😅

[@pennwolf900]

Can you do a video on the SCP universe?

[@GLMZIGM]

Too much material, makes Comics look like light work tbh

[@pauliussimanskas6331]

Its like they gave her way to many hax moves and shes just somehow got boring now.

[@ijudgeanime]

yeah that tends to happen with these types of characters sadly

[@Wallie33.]

Nah I personally find that pretty cool. But mostly cause it just fits a lot for the story Re:Creators was trying to make. Like Altair is basically the definition of the super insanely broken villain character.

[@mathewo.6501]

If arale can exist outside of the authors influence then i say arale can beat her, she has similar reality bending capabilities. I do think its unlikely she can manipulate others reality since shes shown to mostly effect creations a lot more than the world of the creators itself. Even then if she was in the dragon ball world everything isnt fiction so she wouldnt be able to do anything to tbe cast. I'd say she would maybe get as far as piccolo jr. being generous, king piccolo might even be a lot for her.

[@slimer44producciones3]

My counterpoint: Arale bullies Toribot every dat the week, how can say she wouldn't also annoy Altair with the same tomfolery of a gag manga character

[@ijudgeanime]

Arale is god incarnate too, she solos basically everything

[@flowclown9179]

Ah, so she's will be pretty much mid tier namek saga character if she can't see dragon ball as fiction

[@zaphkielbellofiore185]

I still don't know why people keep saying she needs to see a character as fiction to affect them. the answer is already on episode 1. in the first minutes of re:creator she transports Sota to Selesia's world as collateral(side effect (English is not my first language :v)) and then brings the fictional characters back to reality and they can all use their original powers without restrictions.

[@guisogei2434]

Revienta el bebé

[@GeekBoy-ro9zb]

Goku fuses with zeno to beat her at her own game zenku all powerful with his super duper hyper platium form 😅😅

[@blyatman9726]

Wait so goku could've been in this world

[@ijudgeanime]

If toriyama was a creator there then yes! It would have been so funny to have Goku just pull up in the final battle and be like "You look pretty strong, let's fight", and everyone just crapping their pants

[@blyatman9726]

@@ijudgeanime *ultra instinct theme starts playing*

[@pasty188]

@@ijudgeanimexeno goku Has disability to can write real reality if you are the dragon heroes literally every single villain has disability

[@Kosta991]

Nope you're incorrect, she would be saiyan saga fodder

[@Wallie33.]

The points on the video kind of say other wise.

[@missyummy1040]

Who is this Ajimu Najimi wannabe?~ (Kumagawa Misogi pwease ~}

[@ijudgeanime]

Lmao yeah they do have similarities lol

[@missyummy1040]

@@ijudgeanime but to make my argument, if this character needs to survive by having the fans continue writing about her, then she is like Beerus in a sense, you kill the Supreme Kai and you kill Beerus, so in this scenario, if you destroy earth, the the people who create this op lady would also die

[@ijudgeanime]

@@missyummy1040 yeah there are ways around her for sure

[@missyummy1040]

@@ijudgeanime hey, ever thought of making a video of giving character a ability or weapon and see who could use it better? Example would be "Which character in Dragon could use the Omnitrix or Infinity Gauntlet to it's full potential"

[@ijudgeanime]

@@missyummy1040 nah never thought of it, good suggestion

[@chugjugs6081]

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[@ijudgeanime]

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[@l.hleodel5142]

xeno goku victim

[@zaphkielbellofiore185]

based on what?

[@l.hleodel5142]

@@zaphkielbellofiore185 facts that's what

[@l.hleodel5142]

@@zaphkielbellofiore185 xeno goku simply scales higher

[@zaphkielbellofiore185]

@@l.hleodel5142 so you don't have any argument.

[@l.hleodel5142]

@@zaphkielbellofiore185 my argument is that xeno Goku simply scales higher... Look it up