Burgundian overview (AoE2)

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0:00 Intro and win rate stats
1:28 Team bonus: Relics generate both gold and food
2:05 Eco upgrades 1 age earlier and -50% food cost
3:55 Stables -50% tech cost and Cavalier one age earlier
6:13 Gunpowder +25% attack
UNIQUE UNITS AND TECHS
7:43 Coustillier
10:08 Flemish Militia
11:48 Burgundian Vineyards
TECH TREE
12:53 Archers B-
13:28 Infantry B
13:53 Cavalry A-
14:27 Siege C+
14:43 Navy B-
15:17 Monks B+
15:39 Defenses A-
16:01 Trash Units A-
16:38 Economy A-
17:03 Closing thoughts & strategy talk
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Game: Age of Empires II Definitive Edition

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Also the intro seems to be back!

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@@spooky5787X I don't think it's back outside of civ vids, sadly.

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Well there's only the 8 in AoE4 so there can only be so much civ content

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You know this man is a legend when you didnt even buy the expansion pack that HAS Burgundians, but are immediately stoked to see this vid.

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@@Seawiiplay Same.

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I'm only playing AoE4 right now but I've watched almost all his videos. They are so nice and I don't have to think too much haha, except when the math comes out.

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Yea I'm watching these videos still playing on Forgotten Empires expansion😅

[@assafbrenner4750]

An important thing you missed - by getting cavalier on castle you’ll get paladins quicker than any civ once hitting imperial age. Getting paladins before everyone else can easily snowball the game… and it’s 50% off!

[@poshito99]

Feels like the Burgundians were made by AOE3 devs. Revolutions, unique effects, and the eco bonuses, it's definitely an AOE3 civ in AOE2

[@JJBeauregard1]

When I feel down I always try to remember that SotL still has some civ overviews open and that the potential of remaking old ones is also there. It's what gives me hope! :)

[@fo0l913]

“Coustillier are meant to jump in for a few quick attacks, and then retreat.” Love the historical accuracy.

[@planescaped]

Hit and run cavalry tactics too strong, devs plz nerf Devs: Fine... have rifled muskets and artillery Mongols: wtf! Tartars: dude... Europe: lol time to suck it Eurasian steppe. Cossacks: just adapt to the meta dudes

[@ritenger87]

@@planescaped Africa: Buff pls?

[@FuelDropforthewin]

I always viewed Flemish Militia as a way to bypass the barracks entirely. One upgrade gets you a fully upgraded champion/pike hybrid unit that can be built at a town center.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

At the cost of your whole economy...

[@FuelDropforthewin]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn I didn't say it was an amazing trade.

[@RandomStuffPT]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn you barely notice with 3 TC

[@demon9166]

You have to build at least 5 tc in my opinion to reboom fast

[@MihajloKarlicic]

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[@ConcaCon]

I felt like adding the Burgundians made the Joan of Arc campaign missions quite a bit trickier to navigate when you only had finite units. The coustilliers can be pretty dangerous to engage.

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Just a sponsor for this video though

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@@srbishkrst , I know, but it's still nice to see.

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The return of the intro! Hello old friend

[@FuelDropforthewin]

The Coustillier is great in Hammer and Anvil tactics. the high upfront damage makes them able to do immense damage on a charge and then pull out, while your anvil unit acts to keep the enemy in place or punish them for breaking and pursuing.

[@michaelwarenycia7588]

Agreed. I like the idea that you have to use a little strategy to get the best of a unit, instead of just mass and throw them at the enemy

[@jasonsmith1950]

When I play Burgundians, I tend to get double-bit axe as soon as I can - i.e. as soon as I have a lumber camp. I think that it might even be worthwhile to build the lumber camp earlier than most civs would. The tech comes in early enough that it would be hard for an opponent to punish you for it. With it only costing 50 food (and 50 wood, though I don't really consider that a serious consideration since it increases wood-gather rate, and I'm getting it before I actually need the wood for something else), it doesn't really seem to hurt my early game. At worst, getting double-bit axe early would delay feudal age by one vil, and I suspect that it usually won't even do that.

[@mikaj1462]

Not sure if it pays it back in dark age but you could also have maybe one less vill on wood gathering food which would justify Dbit axe asap.

[@light_david7]

As long as the tc isn't idle it isn't much of a setback, you're right.

[@Shero1337]

I really like Burgundians, their Flemish Revolution tech works like the Ragnarok god power in Age of Mythology which converts all of the player's Gatherers and Dwarves into Heroes of Ragnarok.

[@carloscampo9119]

Interesting, the one true question is when to use the Revolution at any point in the game. Its a fatal decision. And damn, Squarespace is everywhere. Congrats on the sponsorship.

[@GuardianTactician]

A few days ago I played as Burgundians in an online multiplayer game. I had 5 towncenters, was cranking out villagers and had paladins to assist my allies. I hit Flemish Revolution to make an instant army after I hit my population cap. Suddenly having the largest military in the game allowed me to completely overpower one enemy that we were struggling against. Took some time to get farmers and lumberjacks back to work, but I was a pocket player and had the time to rebuild.

[@zaolat9440]

I'm very glad that the Economy overview is back. The analysis of each aspect is how good a civ is going with that specific strategy, so Economy might reflect how good the civ is in booming, and that is a important information.

[@larsriedel8718]

Yay. I love seeint the Overviews back. Now only Poland remains :)

[@silosneeded]

Finally, long awaited civ overview for Burgundian.

[@weepingbones_2]

Yeah I've been looking forward to this

[@212mochaman]

It really wouldnt have aged well if he released one in the first 2 weeks. UU would have been in a tier of its own back then, cav mobility that one shots half the units in the game and 3 shots a french cavalier? Nope, not going near that till they're nerfef

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Aah, finally, the intro song is back! Thanks, SOTL.

[@apookatzgaming8770]

Loved that SOTL was calmly talking about Flemish Militia being countered my siege as they get massacred by SO's at 11:02

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So happy to see this! And I’m glad that you were able to get a sponsor!

[@t3hmaniac]

I guess there's a bit of synergy between their unique tech and team bonus. Getting that food income after removing most of your economy to start rebuilding the villager count.

[@CG-eh6oe]

Not really an issue, you will overboom before getting the tech. So you will research it with 3k+ food in the bank, i really dont think 30 food/min make any difference 11

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[@felixrr7381]

one thing that I don't think is apparent from the video is that the +25% damage applies to attack bonuses as well, so although it looks almost useless for the bombard cannon and cannon galleon, it's quite a big difference

[@AeronKabutoBlade]

That also means their bombards actually hit harder than Siege Engineer bombards, but lack the +1 range.

[@DunkmaterKyouko]

Burgundians are my favourite civ so for once I actually knew most of what was in this video, but it's good to get confirmation of what I already suspected in a few areas and the comparison of their cavs to other civs' knights was interesting. I'll also probably end up mixing a few of their unique unit into my armies more often, I didn't realise how good the build time was.

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[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

I like how they get a knight aubstitute as their unique unit AND bonuses to their knights, gives you interresting options to play around with. Like the Magyar's Huzsars being a cooler and better hussar, but they also get cheaper hussars.

[@Themegakender]

YES! THE OPENING! I've missed it so. Still excellent playing and thank you for the video as well!

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I remember when I first discovered this channel, I thought, "this guy's stuff is really good, but his intro is too long." Eventually it grew on me and I realized his audience is probably a bunch of nerds like me who aren't in a hurry to be anywhere else anyway, so who cares if it's long. Glad to hear the intro again

[@harooooo1]

the gunpowder bonus also affects the hidden attack bonuses. for example if bombard cannon +200 vs buildings, with this bonus it will have +250

[@harishsundar3409]

But they dont have siege engineers, so normal FU BBC get +240 against buildings, Burgundians get +250 but -1 range

[@JohndrewtheSylveonking]

I can see Flemish Revolution being a tech that you would certainly use to seal the deal for a victory, like a final Screw You moment. Like, imagine you’re already winning, but in doing so the other player was able to fight off most of your units leaving you with small numbers to finish the job of destroying his base. You retreat for now, leaving him to think he can rebuild in peace. But, then he notices a huge army of like maybe 90 to 100 Flemish Militia marching their way to his base and he just barely managed to get a few units out. He already knew he was losing, but not like this.

[@planescaped]

I just find it weird that the Coustillier uses a fauchard on horseback. That... wouldn't be ideal. >__> Make more sense if they attacked with a couched lance then switched to a mace. The fauchard was done most likely to make them more visually striking though.

[@Volcano4981]

It does kind of bother me logic-wise but I have to admit it looks cool. Though it doesn't look as ridiculous as Knights with only a sword, or, worse, Cataphracts, just merely tapping infantry with their swords, of all weapons, and mowing them down. You indeed nailed it that Byzantine Cataphracts or Clibanarii irl used maces, and the Parthian model they were based on had two-handed lances, referred to as a contus by the Romans.

[@mikelivingood7797]

The layout of this video is exceptional. Unfortunately the coustillier video is out of date after the changes. I would be nice if SOTL could update the video. Equal resources gives you 9 knights and 11 coustilliers. Lanchester's law comes into play as the initial extra damage used by extra coustilliers will have a snowball effect. Optimally, if 4 attack one knight they can take it out with the 4 initial hits. DPS and damage per minute do not fairly portray fights as fights will only last 10 to 20 seconds.

[@CG-eh6oe]

You kinda missed the big thing about Burgundian Paladin: they hit you 1min earlier than usual, as you can start the upgrade immediatly when hitting imp (as opposed to after finishing chav).

[@robchang4533]

100 seconds is 1m40s

[@juicy45924]

Finally! Been waiting for another civ overview. Always enjoy these

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[@orangeboi3387]

age of mythology did kind of have a similar version of flamish revolution wich was the ragnarok god power for some nordic civs, but it was way superior since it was completely free, the units it transfered into also were hero units and didnt atually block you from building more collectors or midgets, it basically resets your eco instead of commpletely halting it

[@questionmark05]

AOE3's revolution kinda did the same thing the Flemish Revolution does with revolution, turning all your villagers into minutemen, but you couldn't build vilagers after! You had to rescue them from treasures.

[@kartiksaraf4676]

th relic bonus can be really strong if you look at it saving 5 pop in late game which can lead to army advantage. with 5 relics a teammate needs 8 less farmers for hussar/paladin spam

[@kell2859]

Omg I was waiting for my favorite new civ to finally get a in depth look Amazing work like always Spirit

[@biffinbagelbro7356]

I think Flemish Militia really shines in teamfights. Even if you get rushed, if you can build back up your economy near the safety of allies, you can spam villagers and then toggle to a very large amount of a very solid unit, especially at the end of the game. Also the Coustillier is amazing for backing up your teams pushes/defending.

[@Polored1066]

I love this civ, if it wasn't for the infamous Flemish Revolution i'm sure a lot more people would love it. Interesting build order possibilities, no strong units but instead relying on strong power spikes, interesting Paladin+Handcanoneer late game composition.

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So nice to see another civ overview!

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Ty Spirit for keeping AoE2DE content!

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3:06 that perfectly organised village is so soothing to the eye

[@chingamfong]

Bulgarians: infantry civ without champions Burgundians: cavalry civ without bloodlines Britons: archer civ without thumb ring What's next? Siege civ without siege engineer? Monk civ without block printing?? Naval civ without galleons???

[@Volcano4981]

The closest I can think of to the Monk point is the Slavs without Heresy or Faith but their actual Monks get the rest of the techs plus extra armour from Orthodoxy, or Vikings for the naval civ point with no access to Fire Ships at all. The siege civs are safe for this round at least, but then again calling them siege civs is kind of an informal designation by us (the AoE community), sooo... Edit: I was going to point out none of the 'siege civs' had Bombards but it's only really Mongols and Celts upon thinking about it again Edit 2: The Slavs point was also before I realised DE gave them Faith some time down the line and now Orthodoxy being replaced with Detinets

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Poles: Cavalry civ without paladins

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@@sowianskiwojownik5973 Plenty of those around though

[@sauro8299]

Booming civilization without Villagers.

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@@sowianskiwojownik5973 Berbers

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As a casual, mainly vs cpu player of aoe2 I think burgundy is a really fun and different kind of civ

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I really enjoy these videos! I would love to see one of the historical comparison too

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Glad the intro is back, haven't heard it in a while!

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Literally looking for this video (and sad it didn’t exist yet) this morning. I just bought the expansion this morning on Steam sale, and I’m excited to try this civ. Thanks for timely review!

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My boy SOTL got a sponsorship! Congratz my man! You deserve all the best!

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Dude I will always love your vids they were what got me started on the game

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Still making videos in 2022. That's amazing! Your commitment is awesome, Spirit

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Thanks for having the sponsor at the very end instead of interrupting mid video :)

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I'd love to see an Egyptian civ! :D

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Mamlukes and Faitmah, eh... the first one sure, but the second one, naaah 🤮

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5:10 thats negligible knowing that you'll also get +2 attack Which is nice if your opponent still doesn't have +2

[@forsakenquery]

Been waiting for this for a year !!! I really wish you had gone into depth on when it's good to pick up dark and feudal eco techs.

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Upvote for the intro return! And also for the great analysis.

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5:05 not to mention other civs get bloodlines on the way up to castle so there's a full minute where you're behind

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Seeing that “starting a new game” and hearing the music put a big dumb smile on my face, love to see it!

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The classic INTRO is back! Ohhh hell yeeeeaaa

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I wish the developers would implement an outside-the-box thing to every civilisation in the game.

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finally you started using the intro again, brings a lot of soul

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[@emilsoderman3691]

Burgundians are interesting since they bring a lot of AOE3 concepts (revolution, one time techs) to AOE2.

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18:10 that was smooth

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I wonder how much more a civ is picked directly after a new SOTL civ overview is released. My guess? It’s A LOT! Great vid! I’m hoping on now to play with… yep: Burgundians. 😎

[@WyattGoslingIsCool]

I can sorta see the case for Burgundians being badly designed. Flemish Revolution is clearly meant to be a comeback mechanic, which is a fine idea. This game can be quite snowbally. But it seems like one that is more impactful at lower skill levels. I can see it being both undertuned at pro-level play and a get out of jail free card at low elos. Given the majority of people are low elo... I can see this motivating a lot of resentment to the Burgundians. I'm still not sold on their unique unit. I like the concept but am sceptical of the execution. I think the idea of getting techs early is a really cool idea. I wish it was something that was considered much earlier in AoE2's life so that more civilizations could have techs they get early. With only one civ getting this bonus, it seems weird that it is the Burgundians and not the Chinese, but I guess it is too late for that. I wonder if this is also something that contributes to the feeling of bad design. It is something that sounds overpowered, but is actually a fine bonus once you do the math. I imagine most believe this bonus is much stronger than it actually is.

[@Volcano4981]

I would like to contest the results of that poll when you have freaking *Teutons* with a blatantly unfair 'here, have cheaper farms from the get-go' bonus, which you have to pay absolutely nothing for; their unique tower garrison mechanics which just encourage more lame tower rush 'strategies' (rather than, say, only towers within a few tiles of a Town Centre get this), pretty much all of the power units, economy and defensive upgrades (besides lacking Bracer and Architecture, so they aren't good at being an actual defensive civ) with just longer range Castles, the additional armour on their Barracks and Stable units completely free on already FU units (except Husbandry for their knight line, and I won't even go into their puny scouts) rather than it being a unique tech, and their infamous unique unit. They're not OP at all, and still quite mortal to many ranged units, but every bit of the civ's design is just such a pure copout in being ridiculous and needing no forethought or actively working to take advantage of it, rather than reasonable and having some kind of drawback. To that latter point's end though, Franks are also kind of in that category, just getting not one but two (three if you count in the berries, four with the free farm upgrades, five with the knight LOS) boosts to their overplayed cavalry spam. Flemish Revolution? Well, if for some reason you and your opponent are still standing, better pray you have good defences intact because you will need to rebuild your economy. Goths' ahistorical infantry spam till the end of the fortnight? They lack Plate Mail Armour, have no Stone Walls or good towers of any kind, and despite having a decent range of other options, most of their units are lacking a few upgrades. Also, you at least need to think about making the right infantry cocktail as Huskarls alone cannot carry you the game. Britons' Longbowmen are another infamous unit and the civ is quite well-rounded, and I am not a fan of their archers getting extra range on Castle and Imp, but at least they miss Thumb Ring and their cavalry isn't completely up to scratch without Bloodlines. Anyway, sorry this has been a long rant haha

[@Volcano4981]

I also think that it's actually *Poles* who are the worst designed of the DE civs if I'm being honest. Too OP.

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

glad you brought back economy as a category

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The intro is back! Yay!

[@ryanbranin5682]

A fun thing my friend and I have done with burgundians: On Black Forest he will play burgundians, and I will play lithuanians. I do a normal fast castle, then start building as many castles as I can, and mine all the gold and stone near my base. collect relics, and start spamming leitis. When I run out of pop space i start deleting villagers until i have 200 leitis. He booms to 200 villagers, uses flemish revolution if we start to get overwhelmed before I hit critical mass on leitis, and that is the only military he makes. just sends me resources for the rest of the game. It has not failed yet.

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The timing of the video is impeccable

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A sponsor AND the intro is back? Good times.

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When I saw the into, I started to sweat and my eyes rolled back in my head as I fell in slow motion to the floor. So glad to see it back