Burnside and Maynard live test fire

Central fire, pre civil war equipment from the percussion era. NOTE: The manual of arms for pre-civil war arms is different, and unfamiliar. This is NOT a tutorial. Remember this, and stay safe. Thanks.

[@miketeeveedub5779]

I swear one of these days Mark is going to bring out the first wheel ever used. He'll tell us it was used by a nice old cavewoman who only drove to Mammoth hunts once a moon.

[@stephens2241]

But, like a lot of people who have old surplus wheels, she didn't DO THE MAINTENANCE.

[@hirampritchard5588]

As a teenager I would relic hunt Civil War battlefields here in Va. Burnside cartridge casing and complete loads were always a great find. Thanks for putting these weapons out there for us to see.

[@FiveTwoSevenTHR]

early metallic cartridge firearms are just neat. They were just figuring things out and trying all sorts of methods of making them work. Great video!

[@shaneharrison4775]

Love when these unique arms show up and you do a segment on them beautifully interesting and intriguing kit from days gone by thanks Mark

[@itatane]

Probably the best idea Ambrose Burnside ever had...

[@3ducs]

I bought a Burnside last year, looks to be like this one or perhaps a bit better. It needed some cleaning up, the path for the flame to travel from the nipple to chamber is not very direct and was filled with fouling. I got brass cases from Lodgewood, they had the best prices. The bullets are .54 caliber. They are very interesting carbines!

[@dksdg]

Pleasure is always ours Mark, thank you.

[@mazkact]

Dittos

[@joec7275]

Every time I see these historic cool old firearms I kinda kick myself in the Arse for not ever venturing into them when younger, now at 50 I see the elegance and grace of these old rifles and pistols.

[@daneisenbrey9897]

Love seeing these old pieces that I’ve never heard about thank you

[@larry648]

Love those old guns. Very cool stuff to manufacture at that time.

[@pauldonzella5052]

Only way to describe those old firearms is "simply beautiful". Always had a place in my heart for the antiques.

[@eloiseharbeson2483]

What an amazing pair of guns that I NEVER expected to see live fired!

[@REXOB9]

Amazing old firearms, thanks for showing them!

[@patrickcolahan7499]

Our forefathers were very innovative in their approach to problems. Always amazes me what they accomplished. Different subject but same admiration, I grew up in the PNW where trees were the size of trucks, it amazes me what they accomplished with little to now equipment, even before the steam donkeys. Thanks for sharing.

[@bradsexton2315]

Just learned about this rifle. Interesting piece of history.

[@kenm8376]

It's always nice to see those old weapons work.

[@Rumblestrip]

Very interesting history in the early breach loaders. I havent seen one yet that didnt leak a little gas at the back, including Sharps rifles and carbines. The modern style brass cartridge was a real boon to these guns when they were converted in subsequent models or straight up.

[@shooter575]

In the N-SSA there are a lot of original Maynard's on the line. There is a number of small shop guys making parts,cartridge cases etc to supply the sutlers to keep them shooting.

[@raymondhorvatin1050]

Thanks for the history lesson I'm amazed at all the unique firearms that you work on

[@tonyv8925]

I always enjoy little snippets of history from time to time. In times of war, ingenuity, invention and creativity go into overdrive. Thank you for sharing.

[@bytorsnowdog2132]

Always something interesting on your channel

[@kevlarandchrome]

Love these old breech loaders and seeing how they engineered their way out of the issues they were trying to solve. Thanks for the look Mark and Bruno.

[@tpaktop2_1na]

I love the history and learning of these firearms. Nice video.

[@sr633]

I had a Burnside carbine in fair but shootable condition. Old car mufflers were my favorite targets in a farm meadow now filled with new houses.

[@johnwestenberger6241]

I wonder if the “competition use” was for an N-SSA skirmisher. I use a smiths carbine (my personal favorite) for skirmishing, and it drives tacks at 100 yards or less. As for the cap splatter, the Schuetzen caps are very bad because they’re steel, RWS is all brass and work better. I shoot left handed with Schuetzen caps, and I can tell you first hand pieces of cap don’t taste very good!

[@marknovak8255]

Yes to all of this, however I needed a picture of a representative musket cap, and these were the first we found

[@johnwestenberger6241]

@@marknovak8255 they’re the first anybody can find! They go bang, that’s all that matters. A tube sock with the end cut off over my right arm keeps my arm protected

[@Bacardibatman]

Must be so nice when intersting guns come across the bench & then satisfying getting them back to a working order

[@3ducs]

Those brass cases for the Burnside are better than "someone just turned out of a solid block", they are precision pieces. Turnbull sells them, they are very well made.

[@marknovak8255]

At least the plastic ones obturate. The brass ones leak as there isn't enough chamber pressure

[@ditzydoo4378]

A privilege to see these three things out and about. The Burnside, the Maynard and of course Mark.. ^~^ now young ones, which of these do you think is oldest??? >~

[@Smallathe]

Very cool video on old guns wonderful. Thank you!

[@mrsmith8436]

Good stuff Mark. Love your channel

[@seanclark3447]

There’s a gentleman here in janesville Wisconsin that turns Maynard cases out of brass stock. I’ll see if I can round up his info and post it for you….

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

Ayyyy fellow Wisco good stuff!!

[@marknovak8255]

Post it, and I will pin the post up top, or put the info in the description

[@mr.d8988]

Dad picked up a Burnside carbine 25 years ago in bad neighborhood pawn shop, still have it today. With 2 fired shells, those are a bit tough to reload.

[@ggwscottie2]

My three Maynard's are slightly newer and are CF. I do have and use a Brown Ballard that is cap and holed case fired.the Ballard seems pretty tight and well as pretty accurate.

[@joshjablonicky171]

Now those guns are really cool everything works on and touches is fun and exciting in one way or another I've learned so much just listening to him

[@bobo12055]

I just found some Burnside carbine bullets with my metal detector. They were from the 6th Michigan cavalry.

[@bobdaves4257]

Thanks for sharing these older weapons. Have a great 4th.

[@olskool3967]

Mark, you said 90 degree SC day, what you forgot to mention was our weather here also has 90-100% humidity to go with it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[@dieselXJ]

Nice video. The Burnside came from my great state of Rhode Island...

[@meinmyroom_yt1150]

Congrats on EXACTLY 100k subscribers.

[@tomtruesdale6901]

Love learning about the old firearms, honestly, I had never heard about ether one of those guns.

[@davesskillet9235]

thanks for sharing a piece of history

[@johnjunge6989]

Thanks for the introduction to more history!

[@williammills7778]

The pleasure was mine Sir, Happy and Safe Fourth 😊

[@pystykorva7114]

Absolutely lovely machines!

[@Insert-name-here00]

The Maynard is so elegantly simple.

[@cameronmccreary4758]

Do I see Mark licking lead on that Maynard carbine? My family had a relative that lost an arm in the Civil War; he was a volunteer, an officer from Upstate New York. He ended up using a Smith and Wesson .32 long rimfire Model 2. We had it after him and it was the first pistol/revolver I fired. I liked .32 rimfire; it wasn't too hot and the revolver wasn't that accurate but it was nice to ocassionally fire it. Today it is very difficult to get the ammunition but in the early 1970s it was still easy to find. The .44 Henry rimfire round was also easy to get at this time. Rimfire ammunition can be made but one has to learn from the .22 rimfire makers first. Those old firearms are fun to shoot but I would hate to be in a war with "any" of them.

[@marknovak8255]

I lick the case to make extraction easier

[@mazkact]

The only Musket caps I am able to find are made for reenactors and do not dispense much flame so useless to me and my antique marshal muzzleloaders. Thanks for the use of detritus , at least the rifles were not recalcitrant . Steven Hunter is my favorite Author ;)

[@elenas4878]

Try to improve your reenactors caps with some FFFG black powder or with a toygun cap inside the reenactor cap!

[@warrencarnright3747]

Nice presentation , as usual . 👍

[@josephcormier5974]

That's some awesome history thank you for sharing five stars my friend

[@jeremiahkc1lda816]

I might have a brass cartridge for that Maynard in my collection. It looks very similar. I've always wondered what it was.

[@timrobinson6573]

I wish I had property where I could shoot. I hate the limitations of an indoor range and the 100 yard outdoor range.

[@remcovanvliet3018]

Some poor schmuck of an archeologist is going to have a real head scratcher on his hands when they get to digging up and studying that piece of swamp land out behind Mr. Novak's shop a couple centuries down the line.

[@MrAdeuhtyr]

I really appreciate you and your videos. Thank you

[@christurley391]

Thanks for the video.

[@cbroz7492]

.. Predates the pencil in some cases...gotta use that line myself..

[@para1324]

I enjoyed this. Thanks 👍🇺🇸

[@endutubecensorship]

Hello Mark and Anvil team, would you please consider doing a video that is a combination of all the important wood finishing/restoration clips? It would be awesome to have those techniques in one video!

[@yuryyanin7967]

I wonder why Edward Maynard didn't use his tape-primer system, patented in 1845 for this carbine?

[@thestrangegreenman]

Well dang. Now I have two more pieces of shootin' iron on The List than I had six minutes ago. What competitions are they used in? They look like a great deal of fun to shoot but I usually only buy things that I can compete with.

[@steveschainost7590]

North-South Skirmish Association or any Civil War re-enactment group.

[@mikemccollum4521]

Thank you

[@CowboybubPercussion]

You say these “cartradges” per-say were made of plastic that were in the video, even if the originals were brass, however, does this mean they could be 3D printed?

[@macoppy6571]

My guess is that they probably were. Black powder...

[@CowboybubPercussion]

@@macoppy6571 yeah, pretty low pressure

[@marknovak8255]

These were not printed, but molded

[@gotsloco1810]

The cartridges are available from at least two sources. Dixie and Lodgewood. Although my last inquiry to lodgewood resulted in no Maynard plastic cartridges available. Brass were available. There are / were plastic cartridges for Burnsides.

[@gotsloco1810]

Original Maynard cartridges appear to be two piece construction the head and a tube soldered to the head. I have one sitting next to my mill awaiting sectioning. It is a split case. So no loss. Need to turn a dowel to support the case before sectioning.

[@wesbrown5601]

Awesome guns. Video was posted 4 hrs ago and already 4800+ views.

[@frankeasterling3402]

I shoot a Maynard in N-SSA completion. I use the reduced capacity cases. Powder, card, lubed bullet. I load, half cock, cap, full cock, fire. The bullets are sized .518 and dip lubed with Bore Butter. I have a cartridge loading tool.

[@rickey5353]

Two fun old firearms.

[@elenas4878]

Which one do you prefer, the Burnside or the Maynard? I own a Burnside ( love it) and got the chance to shoot an original Maynard and didn't like it so much! BTW, the Burnside is 54cal

[@deanmacka4975]

Both are great gun's 👍 cool stuff mate. By the way mate, you do get some fantastic beasts into your hands .

[@johnmcmorris1170]

It is interesting how the earliest "cartridge guns" operated. It's almost like they couldn't let go of the "cap n ball" concept.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

More like didn't know how to get away from it.

[@frankeasterling3402]

The primer for "Central Fire" later Center Fire had not been invented.

[@maxpower6765]

Nice pieces of history ☑️

[@WHATAGIRLWANTS2009]

Fantastic incite into historical weapons, thank you for sharing!

[@bradanderson1627]

CON GRADS ON 100K 🍾🍾🍷

[@marknovak8255]

Thanks

[@rocksandoil2241]

I saw a nice Burnside but I couldn't figure out where I would get ammo. $1100 and really good shape.

[@frankeasterling3402]

There are several on line places for cases. Check Lodgewood Mfg. Many are made from plastic rather than brass. Will need some fitting. Package tell you file to fit. Will need to cast pure lead for best results. Load only with black powder. I do not think you will find loaded ammo. This is a do it your self project. A lot of Burnsides and Maynards survived and are still on the line. According to a article in The Skirmish Line, quarterly magazine by the North South Skirmish Association people who soot Burnsides well may be in league with the devil. It can be done. the Maynard is a lot easier.

[@elenas4878]

Sometimes Dixie gunworks has the brass cases available. I also bought from them the brass gas gasket which allows me to shoot lose powder( like with a Sharps) but I prefer the cartridges. Lodgewood have them also and they also have the nylon version which is way cheaper and works pretty good, I mean in my case I reloaded the plastic ones ( I got 100) at least 7 times and they are still in good shape. I know that my brass cases will probably last forever ( I got 25, they were too expensive), and the nylon ones will eventually rupture but a brass case is 8$ and a nylon one is 80c- 1$ depending where you buy them.

[@elenas4878]

There's also a place in NY state where you can find them for cheaper, S& S firearms I guess? Never bought from them, just found out they have parts for the Burnside carbine( originals and repro parts) and also cases.....For the black powder I always use FFG Goex BUT I know somebody who uses Triple 7 BP substitute and didn't blow-up his gun yet.....Of course you should NEVER load smokeless BUT substitutes like Pyrodex or Triple 7 should be fine.......But check first with a competent gunsmith !

[@williamromine5715]

If you think about it, your concern is probably one of major reasons breach loaders were not adopted by the military. Where do you get the ammo? The soldier in the field can, and did, make paper cartridges, to be loaded from the bore. Cartridges for the breach loaders had to be manufactured, and in the heat of battle, the brass is going to get lost. Sometimes, people forget just how important logistics is. "Where do I get cartridges" has to be answered first, and the answer has to be fast, sufficient and cheap.

[@Mag_Aoidh]

Working on a friend of mine right now trying to convince him to sell me his Burnside. Maybe a trade on my Spreewerk P38 will convince him.

[@zumbazumba1]

Beats loading a musket for 1min thats for sure ! Maynard looks better because cartridge is easier to make(from machinist aspect these could be done on a lathe very fast today ,some turning ,drilling and cut off operations,with drawing machine probably even faster. ). In war means a lot how fast you can produce ammo.Both guns are amazing peace of history and shows the advancement to a modern centerfire primer cartridge .

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Muskets are relatively quick, rifles take longer due to the tight fit. A trained rifleman I think could manage 20 seconds, if I remember correctly.

[@elenas4878]

I shot the Maynard and I prefer the Burnside because ( my model) has a wooden forehand so it doesn't burn my hands so fast! It also leaks gas less then the Maynard! I also find easier to remove the MTY cartridge and also to cap the gun in half cock position! BTW, on half cock, on my Burnside, even if I accidentally pull the trigger the hammer doesn't engage! And from an accuracy standpoint( but that's me, I've been shooting the Burnside from some times now, I've shot the Maynard only once) the Burnside gives me better results!

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

Looks like a handy little rifle

[@teryshaw7370]

It’s not detritus until after you’ve thrown it on the ground, is it?

[@RatelLaw]

Thank you for sharing

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thank you Mark!

[@2pugman]

I have a Maynard in decent shape, but never fired it. During combat that barrel had to be really hot and no wood ! I also have a Joslyn and would like to shoot it.

[@Rev-D1963]

The Maynard has no forearm? Wouldn't want to put too many rounds through it like that! Hot stuff!

[@johnwestenberger6241]

It definitely gets hot. It’s a very popular arm among N-SSA shooters, as it’s inherently accurate. Most wear leather gloves on the left hand

[@stevemc6010]

In that sun the barrel would already get uncomfortably hot. Gloves are a must.

[@Masso1973]

I wonder how long it took for someone to figure out that it might be better for the cap to go into the cartridge… very interesting missing link, these firearms

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

They kinda had. Rocket ball and pifire were already around.

[@elenas4878]

There were already caps into the cartridge! My Lefaucheux pinfire shotgun and my Chassepot needle-fire rifle both have primers inside the cartridge! The pinfire system was invented by Lefaucheux in the 1850 ies and the needle fire system invented by Pauly even earlyer and perfected by Dreyse and Carcano and very successfully used by Chassepot in 1866!

[@99Racker]

I don't understand why you changed the MOA for the 2nd rifle. I suggest it is more dangerous to put the cap on BEFORE you chamber the round.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

The fire hole isn't lined up until the guns locked, at least.

[@marknovak8255]

There isn't enough room to cap at half cock, and I said that. So, do it my way, or fumble with the cap at full cock and a loaded weapon.

[@TheWalterKurtz]

Probably faster than what the guy shooting at you had.

[@azazelakira12]

Mark don't only smoke cigars, also smokes lead!

[@Whitpusmc]

What’s the effective range on one of these? They have obviously a shorter barrel than a 1861/3 Springfield or a Enfield rifle musket and sounds like the charge was a bit less as well. Not bad for dismounted cavalry but not a good front line infantry rifle. The logistics also would worry me. You carry 60 rounds per man and get into a good fight and run low on ammo. Now the ammo wagon better be close and it better be YOUR ammo wagon not another regiments. Any paper cartridges will do in a smoothbore or a rifle musket but you need specific ammo that won’t help anyone but you.

[@Zane-It]

I don't think these where intended to be battle field weapons.

[@Charveljay]

Keep on rocking and rolling!

[@acmenditto]

I had an opportunity to short one of these made in 1864!

[@douglasbidwell3229]

I prefer my Smith .50 cal Carbine (Replica) BP!

[@nightstryke]

I really need to save up for a Maynard.

[@markgordon4368]

One thing about getting older, you are practically always wearing glasses🤓🧐🥸 obviously a good thing if you are a cap and ball type of dude.

[@NomadShadow1]

Interesting

[@agoogleaccount2861]

Do you also use a half of a cigarette paper over the hole in the rubber Burnside cartridge on the inside..to keep the powder inside ? It's what the old timers did

[@douglasbidwell3229]

Nitrated Paper (coffee filters) work well for The metallic cartridge cases!

[@agoogleaccount2861]

@@douglasbidwell3229 hmm. Definitely more permeable than cig paper .. I've been using the ungummed ocb cigarette papers for Smith ctg reloads

[@agoogleaccount2861]

@@douglasbidwell3229 any experience with the repro Burnside carbines ?

[@douglasbidwell3229]

@@agoogleaccount2861 I have used a small paper punch and a white glue stick! Refer to Eras gone bullets , on the you tube

[@agoogleaccount2861]

@@douglasbidwell3229 that's probably historically accurate tbh.

[@slowhand1198]

Nice gear.

[@captmuttonchops]

Algorithm engagement comment

[@davidellenbaum1229]

As always thks Mark

[@MrJmaynard96]

Maynard…nice!

[@petermonck5448]

👍😎

[@billrea66]

Neat . I shall go shopping ...

[@WalterBurton]

👍👍👍

[@davefellhoelter1343]

GuuRATE!!

[@terryqueen3233]

Now those are some beautiful Firearms my friend and I would imagine a little pricey also let me know on that I wouldn't mind having one myself or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Thanks a lot for this video it was very interesting and kind of made me hungry for one. Keep your powder dry

[@tenlittleindians]

Probably not as expensive as you think. Most people want firearms that you can still get ammo for. Check out the auctions they have at the Rock Island Armory. I've seen lots of cool guns pass through there.

[@ikwer111]

The beauty of these things is, unlike modern guns, they never loose their value if you treat them well. And a lot more fun then collecting stamps....

[@tenlittleindians]

@@ikwer111 My grandfather was a rural mail carrier that started his stamp collection in the 30's. He could have never dreamed how valuable his collection would become after he was gone.

[@elenas4878]

I got my Burnside for 1000$! Wood was in perfect shape! Bore was perfect, shiny and perfect rifling! BUT serial no on the frame doesn't match the one on the receiver! I also had to change the nipple( with a repro) and the screw that holds the receiver into the frame! I bought a repro from Dixie and later on I found an original on marketplace!It's also a 4-th model( not a 5-th) which is usually more expensive ( even though less advanced)because there were only 7000 4-th gen issued and over 40000 (43-45 I believe) for the 5-th model! So depending on what you want you can get a shootable specimen for around 1K.! All serial nos. matching, perfect ORIGINAL blueing( mine is brownish) , serial no. that was documented for being issued to a specific regiment, original sling might cost you up to 5K!

[@terryqueen3233]

@@tenlittleindians thanks for your reply but I've stopped looking for ammo I only look for black powder now I'm going to Black Powder only I know it's not rapid fire but it's big fire thanks for your info