Bush Pilot Technique Cessna 172 Landing on Short Field

[@andysmith6824]

Thank you for sharing this! And a double-thank you for NOT adding music to the video!!! So many good videos are ruined by crappy music that covers up what we want to hear. Good piloting skills----nicely done. I haven't flown in several years, but would like to get current again. Landing at an uncontrolled field like this brought back so many fun memories. Thanks again!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad I could make you smile :)

[@Slideways24]

@@FriendlySkiesFilm I totally agree with the no music. Everyone has different music tastes. The sound of the engines, whether it's airplanes or racecars is the only music I need.

[@dkeberhard]

this is a great video for teaching situational awareness. busy airfield, lots happening, pattern entry options, etc, etc. great job guys.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

We do our best! :) Glad you enjoyed.

[@douglasrodrigues332]

The majority of pilots have never landed on a genuine short field. I would like to caution novice pilots that it takes more length to takeoff than it did to land.

[@robertwatson818]

How "short" is short field? Middle of the Gulf--1400 feet? Water at both ends. Around Empire, Louisiana between the levee and highway--900 feet with takeoff heading right at the levee with a loaded C-150 licensed in Experimental category? 2000 foot grass strip--40--60 foot trees at both ends--90 degrees with 85% humidity. How short is short---and why?

[@MKwan82]

I've inadvertently taken off with only 800 ft on one of my solo when I was still a student pilot. I had to dump flap 10 at the end to gain altitude fast. But I would never do it again. Low hours and being impatience do not mix well.

[@michaelthomopoulos5985]

What a pleasure to watch!!! I am a classical musician who knows absolutely nobody else who loves to fly. These two guys were just speaking our language in an every day way! Love it.

[@juanflyer8443]

nice job with traffic and Zero delay in action to bring in a great landing. Thanks for sharing. Shout out for Madrid, Spain

[@bigtxbullion]

i dont even fly and i love watching these. solid videos brother. really appreciate the nav diagrams to see what you are talking about in your approach. am 35 with a fulltime career in commercial RE but this looks so fun. making me want to take this on.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad you enjoy them :)

[@airmuseum]

I'm 80 years old..In my prime we flew patterns around landing areas that allowed us to glide to a landing on the runway from any point in the pattern except immediately after takeoff. Approaches were made high enough that power need not be carried. We called them precision landings. I know this is more difficult to accomplish when there is traffic and ATC, but you can insist on your flying an approach path that insures your landing on the runway in case of a failure. You are the pilot in command and nobody else, including ATC and other traffic will share the blame if you end up buying the farm.

[@outwiththem]

That is how i learned too. Piper Colt. 80 mph all the way from up to the flare. Forward Slips to control speed if too hot. Worked well. Soloed at 10 hours.

[@brian6779]

I totally agree with you. I prefer to approach high and apply full flaps so that I can keep my performance high until the very last approach.

[@flycubfly]

I agree and do the same . The last thing I want to have to do is walk to the end of the runway .

[@johnelliot9654]

While good practice to fly a power off approach for those special airport where it may be needed, it’s actually safer to fly a 3 degree controlled path with power. Having full control of all the energy axis on a 3 degree path is always safer. If you are considering an engine failure as a real probable threat, then maybe the flight should not take off. Fatal engine failure accidents are a rare event. Usually your engine lets you know in advance that it shouldn’t be flown....

[@milanaero]

And what about cooling the engine too much after you chop the power? Isn't that affecting the longevity of it?

[@FreePilotTraining]

That’s cool. I had some one send this video to me in the comments on my video where I tested out this technique. It definitely works!

[@ElliotBritton]

Bravissimo! I rescind my comment about not having a soft touchdown- this landing is absolutely textbook for a short field approach.

[@GreenFillwood]

All apart from dumping the flaps whilst still airbourne that is!

[@outwiththem]

I as a Bush Pilot CFI never liked to say "Dump the Flaps". I said Cut the Flaps instead. He "Cut the Flaps to Cut the lift" Saying Dump, means "down". it is not the right term to use. Like Forward Slip vs Side Slip BS.

[@FlightSim2703]

Owned a Cessna 172 few years ago, I sold it because flying become to me too boring every weekend drive from orange county to Chino airport for few hours fly all by my self,friends afraid to join each time I asked them to join :) until sky become too boring to me, I wish I had a brother like you guys both involved in activities. Awesome guys enjoy and fly safe, thumbs up.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

That's what I hear from so many. If there's no friends, and no community, then what's the point. Rock on, friend, wherever life takes you :)

[@storiesfromthedepthsofspac6413]

Boring hell, I don’t even put my right seat in my 150. More room for fishing poles, camping gear, an metal detectors. People are heavy and annoying.

[@alwonner]

Good day. Nice video as usual. You look like twins brothers! At least you are brothers in flights! Always something to learn watching you. Thank you. Alex

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad you enjoyed, mate! :)

[@talkingbob]

I fly a Skyhawk II as well. When I do a short-field landing like in the video, I find the airplane bounces. That was interesting how the pilot retracted the flaps as he was touching down. I was never taught that. Also, you guys have the same glasses!

[@GeorgeCharlesAllen]

It's not something that would be taught to students.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

@@GeorgeCharlesAllen - I did to mine. From year 1990 on I did. It is a great trick to avoid low go arounds and tire damage due too fast on runway and braking with flaps. Those are 2 too common pilot errors that can be corrected by cutting the flaps on the flare.

[@kennethlund6558]

Brings back old memories, but it didn’t look all that short. Good job!

[@fijician6307]

Youre visual aids are incredibly professional. Helps me out a lot thanks!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad we could help :)

[@johns9694]

I just discovered this video now. I was there that day and landed just prior to your arrival. It was a great day of flying! Nick, if I had seen you I would have said hello. That is my silver RV 7 with the black nose parked on the opposite side of the runway from where you parked. Nice video to remember the day with! Keep up the great work!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Hi friend! I think I've actually seen that RV around before. Where are you based?

[@johns9694]

Friendly Skies Film I am based in Plymouth. I do get around pretty good as do you!

[@jimfoley3350]

There are as many opinions here as there are pilots, as always! My two cents on most of the comments: 1) flaps up in the flare- Cessna's electric flaps take their time to retract (I much preferred the old manual ones.) So, on a short field- they will have more effective wheel braking sooner, and in the event of a go around the flaps will be closer to the desired position. So Although I don't think I've ever done it, I wouldn't criticize it. 2) Engine failure- this engine got them all the way through the flight. Unless fuel or carb ice, it's not likely to quit on final. If it does- best glide and land in the grass before the threshold. Obstacles before the threshold? Clear them and slip it in. Nice video guys.

[@giselavanzyl7295]

Little low but spot on the numbers😁 A great landing starts with flying the numbers once you join the circuit. Nice going there.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Can be as low as you want, as long as you've got the energy ;)

[@carlosjrbatista7021]

Pre-stol perform!! Amazing approach! Calm, relax and focus at the airplane limits speed!

[@teddyzdrummer]

Cranland is a nice little strip in Halifax....flew in and out of there a few time for Sunday pancakes 👍 nice job.

[@musoseven8218]

Great video. Showed lots of real world scenarios and an insight into the pilots' thoughts and the RT etc. A busy fly-in on a small strip can be challenging. As an onlooker, could that finals have been flown higher then a side slip in to bleed off height and energy? The landing looked safe and the approach grass looked free from obstructions and almost landable - I'm trying to visualize a side slip type approach though.

[@cabdolla]

Personally I would have been doing a slip and steep descent with full flaps to clear those trees and come down steep. You seem to be going low which makes you fly longer in turbulence being shed off those trees. Sometimes the camera makes the glide slope seem different than in real life though. You made it safe so nice job.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Thanks, mate. Two different styles, I think. Next time I'm there I'll give yours a shot :)

[@cabdolla]

With the slip, you can be power off and come down like an elevator. With your approach, you seem to be flying that final approach with power in, which I personally dont like having switched to gliders. I never want to be on final where I cant land without power at idle the whole time. I prefer to fly at flight idle in a powered plane after I am on downwind and abeam the numbers. That means keeping it tight and bank angles of 45 degrees.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Power was out long before the trees to get that decent rate, but the second you mentioned being a sailplane pilot, I knew that would be your preference ;)

[@cabdolla]

Friendly Skies Film ah ok, great! From the cockpit I saw his hand on the throttle and thought he has 1/4 throttle in. My apologies ! I've done slips to full rudder lock in the 172 on descent, it comes down quite well and still has good control authority. Give it a shot of power when you take the slip out and flare it will arrest the high descent rate and you'll have a light touchdown since you don't have a long runway to play with.

[@_skyyskater]

Been there for pancakes several times (in a Citabria, though)! I recognized the silver 170 haha. That's a tight landing for a 172, well done!

[@94nolo]

Holy cow, pilots worth watching. Making me want to be a pilot.

[@Randomadventuresebike]

Now that was a nice video and nice to see everyone cooperating to get in and around.

[@coreyg.1460]

should be noted this is an advanced landing technique, by reaching down to pull the flap lever up student pilots are more adapt to loose control of the airplane and possibly, if flying a complex plane pull the gear up. That's why most instructors will teach not to touch anything until landed and off the runway. However this should be demonstrated b/c in a tight spot or a forced landing situation this could get you down, in, and on the brakes ASAP instead of floating down the field. Could be the difference between making it or rolling into the trees/fence

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

If you confuse switches, you should not be a pilot. Flying Turkeys making those stupid pilot errors is what gives USA general aviation such a bad name.

[@engineeringoyster6243]

Don’t ever focus excessively on a smooth touchdown. Far more important to do as you did to have the airplane on speed, on centerline, on glide slope and stabilized.

[@gasmith74]

The paint job on this plane was the exact paint job on the 172 I did all of my training in until it was recently painted. So a good memory revived.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Aw, glad you had good memories of your training :)

[@computer5272]

In this video Mr. Friendly and his twin brother discover the wonders of the exotic *high wing* airplane known as the Cessna 172. They didn't seem to mind not being able to see the runway on their downwind to base turn, at least the fuel is easier to manage.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

I love your comments sooooo much!! XD

[@erikhendrych190]

Every time I see "Friendly Skies" it reminds me of that passengerwho was forcefully removed from United Airlines flight.

[@writepilot777]

With respect for all opinions and on behalf of a lot of hardworking professionals: that was neither a United plane nor a United crew, nor were there any United ground employees involved -- except maybe the "ivory tower" folks who elected to outsource. Same with the "leggings" episode.

[@erikhendrych190]

I know, I know, I just can't get rid of the association. Nothing against this chanel.

[@writepilot777]

Right. Unfortunate, but thanks at least for realizing. (I'm not commenting on behalf of the channel. I'm just a retired United pilot.)

[@jameshanson2097]

I've never seen a twin 172! :) Great vid, thank you. I've also never seen or heard about taking out the flaps at the flare - maybe a bush technique? Certainly very advanced, and in that case not "textbook." But taking the flaps off during roll-out to increase the contact between the wheels and the runway (and thus braking effectiveness) is textbook.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Yep, taught at our school by bush legend, CC Pocock. Good on you for knowing the second technique too, though! That's actually in many POH's, which surprised me.

[@zacharybyers]

Just a suggestion. If you really want to land a 172 short, leave the flaps in. You may have more float if you're fast but its almost like having a parachute on your airplane once you're fully stalled. Those electric flaps don't come up like the flaps on a carbon cub

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Ok, leave the flaps in. That means leave the flaps retracted. Dummy..

[@jamesfunnell7075]

Glad to be back to the real flying after the ridiculous number of comments about X-Plane vs FSX in the last video! Love these videos.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad you're enjoying :)

[@alfaranha]

I’ve always landed Cessna 172 at 60MPH, preferably with full flaps and on a high angle glide slope. It’s awesome!

[@rodrigobarbosa6610]

Wow nice! Just learned a new technique to land.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Yay :)

[@codykelley7081]

I've flown into Cranland multiple times as well as being the CAP on the ground. Pilots that fly in are usually regulars who ignore CAP directions and just park where they want. In some cases, pilots just sit on the runway until we give them directions. Its a hectic place where people fly right patterns and dont use comms.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

That's certainly the impression that I got, but lovely community for sure :)

[@ChrisJones-yt8zp]

That was so beautiful I shed a tear.

[@12gabrowning]

Very good flying, gentlemen. The keyboard pilots can always find details they would do differently, but then you could to. Enjoy, and be safe!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad you enjoyed, and thanks for the great attitude :)

[@FelipeArtista]

Yes, I agree. I particularly liked their situational awareness, paying attention to the radio and creating a mental image of where traffic is. The approach was low, but the airspeed was high, so even if the engine had quit they were within gliding range.

[@hudsonriver3188]

Great Video - was surprised at the moment of touchdown how much stress is put on the landing gear legs.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

And that wasn't even a hard landing! Those Cessnas take a beating.

[@horacesawyer2487]

Not bad, but me, I'm always in a HURRY to get to them PANDCAKES, so I just stall it about midfield and drop in. It's a little rough on the gear, but it's worth getting in line quicker.

[@GeorgeCharlesAllen]

:)

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Hehe. Now this is a comment I can get behind!

[@farsproductions3749]

Lol that’s the way to do it.

[@MarceloCabane]

Nice video, excellent traffic management, and an interesting technique. Not quite a textbook or at least the ones I use :) Looked too much of 4 solid reds for me.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad you enjoyed :) Doesn't really matter how low you are as long as you have the energy to spare, as I see it, though.

[@MarceloCabane]

Agree, but that's not the typical CFI FAA textbook :) good flying skills for sure!

[@tsulmer]

too low makes for a larger circuit and slows the circuit down. Ok for practicing different techniques, but please don't call it textbook....

[@skippynj1979]

Good video.. I understand the flaps up after landing to get some more weight on the wheels.. i did it tens times each way way one day in a 172. The landing distance was actually unaffected.. full aft yoke allowed for more weight on wheels and better breaking. Also the planes were certified leaving the flaps down in roll out. I was wary of having my students touch anything in the fear even they go to complex aircraft they mistake gear for flaps. The FAA also prefers not raising the flaps. In the airlines we can't change configuration from the final approach fix until fully exiting the runway with the exception of thrust reversers as we are advised to stow them at 60 knots.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Try that on a real short landing, not on a mild braking one.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

FAA promotes idiocy and lazyness. That is why they allow so many turkeys to get all kinds of FAA licenses. Result?? LOOK at that high rate of pilot errors in USA GA. what is the dam problem in raising flaps. You are afraid of using the wrong switch?? That is unaceptable. That is the kind of idiot that will hit the wrong pedal in a car. A pilot or a prick???

[@simcptmike]

Great video. Did you land harder than expected because you pulled flaps in your flare?

[@bennettt4404]

I always retract the flaps right after touchdown. That said, I was flying with my friend the other day who is a CFI, came in a bit hot into my round out and he said "Check this"... then proceeded to pull my flaps up... learn something new everyday!

[@aurangzebahsan1]

Hi mate, very nice video. Can you please tell me how you have overlay an airspeed gauge in to your video at 7:57min. please commment

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

All done from scratch in Adobe After Effects :)

[@marsgal42]

When I did a checkout in a 172P I was taught to trim for 65 knots with flaps 20 on base when setting up for a short or soft landing. Flaps 30 on final, trim, the plane settles down to 61 knots. Doesn't take much runway to stop at that speed...

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Not on a 1,700 feet runway.

[@jibeneyto91]

Very nice approach and landing, but please explain me, why would you touch the flaps during the flare?

[@JarenMorris_UnderHover]

read the prior comments and you might be surprised to find your question has been covered multiple times....

[@Naive773]

I like the Motion Tracker from Alien in the intro

[@smirnoff1589]

Solid approach man! I fly at KLNA in West Balm Beach, FL, and it too, like Cranland, is an uncontrolled field, and it turns into a zoo on the weekends! Glad I found your channel, look forward to more videos. PS - My favorite part, "Piper **such and such** holding short on the active" -_____- .......why? hahaha

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

haha LNA, huh!? You seen this one yet? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rILFZHdopdhmf6c

[@smirnoff1589]

Friendly Skies Film not even joking, I may have been flying that day lol. So you know as well as I do about the madness that is lantana traffic!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Pretty crazy, but it may be my home very soon! Can't wait to become a Floridian. What are you flying down there?

[@smirnoff1589]

Usually I'm in 7273Mike it's a C172R with a 160HP. FLorida is a great place to fly! Not this weekend of course...

[@adamstein2054]

Hello, Student pilot here. When you changed your mind and decided to cross mid-field, is there any reason you didn't tear-drop into the left downwind for RWY18?

[@LOWEFERRARI]

finally a nice video guys...great job.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

As opposed to the other ones??

[@jackhalper4343]

Good Landings! Thanks for providing some tips for a low time pilot!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

That's what we're here for :)

[@emergencylowmaneuvering7350]

The cutting flaps in the flare trick. I learned it in 1996.

[@OldFliersGroup]

Note the right door isn't locked? Wouldn't 18 be better option given no wind and appears to be active?

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

The door is locked. It's just a quirk of this 172. As for the runway, I don't recall exactly the circumstances in the video from last time I watched it, but generally, I would rather land with a minor tailwind, than oppose possible nordo traffic. It's a matter of preference, I suppose.

[@OldFliersGroup]

Good video. Nice filming. Rather go flying more than most anything.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

I think that every time I'm up in the air :)

[@AnthonyPuca]

Why did you retract the flaps while in the flare? You stated "you landed harder than you wanted to". Taking away all the lift of the flaps probably caused that and extends your ground roll.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

It's a bush pilot trick to get more weight on the tires and kill any floating at that occur. You can read some of the other comments if you're interested in more of the theory.

[@johnhill7133]

Nick, What time did you get to Cranland? I was there till about 930 then headed home. Wish I stayed to meet you. Maybe next time.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Yeah, we got there just a little after, I think. I was looking for you too :(

[@averagejoepilot6201]

Great job on the editing! Awesome short feild landing...

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Thanks, mate :)

[@johnorr7386]

Nicely done but I hope you don't fly retractables because retracting the flaps on landing roll (or during the flare) has caused many a good pilot to land wheels up! Nice to see you have your Christmas decorations up early. I see the tree hanging in front of the rear window. Keep on enjoying your flying. I flew for 30 years but unfortunately there were no GoPro cameras in my time.

[@AshleyWincer]

How did you get overlay video footage of the ASI as you were coming in to land?? It was well done..

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Thank you! It's all done from scratch in Adobe After Effects.

[@AshleyWincer]

Ok cool. It is very effective..

[@stevedaly730]

Sometimes you don't need to be in the bush to encounter a difficult landing and take off. There lots of short runways found in private airports built in cities all over America. There's one not far from the airport I fly out of. It's got an 1600 foot runway but it's got obstructions at both ends of the main north south runway. A vets office with telephone wires on the North end and the south large trees planted on the 8th hole of a golf course. Landing doesn't cause me much problem but the take offs leave no room for error. Flaps down one notch, stand on the brakes bring it to full power then pop the brakes. Don't pull to early and careful not to panic. Your gonna just learn those obstacles.

[@r3poman671]

And here I am struggling with the short feild landings in my training. Curious as to why he retracted the flaps before touchdown as I've been taught to retract them after touchdown to increase aerodynamic braking.

[@georgecharlesallen1519]

It's just a difference in technique. Retracting the flaps while in the flare helps reduce lift / float in ground effect and helps sink the aircraft onto the ground and transfer weight to the wheels once down. Not recommended for check rides, but works well in real life once you get the coordination down. It's all based on timing, judgment, and feel.

[@r3poman671]

George Charles Allen Ahh cool, thanks man. Appreciate the input!

[@outwiththem]

@@georgecharlesallen1519 I have used it on check rides. On CFI checkrides. They like it..

[@midnitemonty]

Nice ! I want to try Cranland one of these days.. I like how you pulled the flaps up to give some extra planting force.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Tricks of the bush pilot trade :)

[@GreenFillwood]

Bush aircraft undecarriage can take being thrown onto the ground

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

The things I've seen done to this poor Cessna! Haha

[@outwiththem]

He didnt do that. So what is your point.

[@tomrisar5492]

Yes he did, another well made video using SAFE procedures and camera's ignored during things that require full attention. Many aviation video's seem to include some high action that might cause a fowl if they don't tone it down.

[@AirplaneFreak1000]

i was gonna type notification squad but i got carried away watching the video ...MAN THAT WAS SOME TRAFFIC....nAILED IT ON THE approach lol

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Hey buddy! Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@joecarpenter4522]

George, I watched your [other] short field landing video. So... what was your headwind component and how heavy were you? ;)Hey, mad props for the postage stamp landing but why didn't you use a similar method when you landed at the other runway (that I squawked about)? I will mildly concur that had you had to go around, it likely would have been a non event, but probably due in large part that [when you retracted the flaps] you were in ground effect, in a light high wing airplane. Fair enough? Safe flying and I'll definitely do the same!

[@GeorgeCharlesAllen]

Thanks :) Flying is an art, it's fluid. Why not try different things? I had no control over this video being titled, and honestly never thought it was going to be called what it was called, or presented the way it was for the whole world to critique. I figured it would just be a video about two guys flying in for breakfast. It just happens to be what I decided to do for that particular day just for the hell of it. Would I land there the same way every time? No. I'm not a robot. I just did it to see what would happen. We later landed at Myricks, a short field grass strip, (not recorded) and I used a totally different technique.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Sometimes you are aiming to touch down on a precise spot, you keep the speed perfect but say at 100 feet agl a sudden shift of wind or a thermal from ground makes your approach flatter and now you are going to over shoot the spot. You can slip the airplane but it is very difficult to do it perfect at 100 feet. You can use the cutting flaps on flare trick. It is a talented pilot trick. Maggots cant do that.

[@outwiththem]

Nicely done. Too fast flare?? Just cut the flaps to cut the lift . That is a Bush Pilot trick i learned in 1995. Glad more smart pilots are using it lately. I have seen too many runway overshots and damaged tires from bad pilots floating too much and not cutting the flaps, or with flaps down braking. Those are student pilot errors. Also Panicky Braking can cause a runway excursion and flip over, wrecking you or the airplane

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Now just tell all the complainers on here that :P

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Oh, I see you already did. Thanks!! Haha

[@outwiththem]

i do. Coward pilots always whine and critic others about multitasking maneuvers or harder to do procedures, even if they work better than the old fashion POH methods. They are just Mild Maneuvering Maggots. That is why they crash so many GA airplanes in USA. Most are PipiPilot Errors. Student Pilot style Errors. A big shame they allow Mild Maneuvering Only Pilots all over USA. The decline of USA GA is caused by pilot errors mostly. Just Lazy Pipipilot Self destruction.

[@StoutFlier]

If you are on speed, you won't overshoot. Retracting the flaps on flare is stupid and should not be necessary to perform a good short field landing.

[@outwiththem]

Guy, you are the stupid here. You cannot do that due you are clumsy or a coward- and you have the freaking nerve to call CFI's and Bush Pilots that have done that trick a thousand times stupid? F You, Prick.. Man up and try it, then call us names, idiot.

[@andrem7th]

holy molly, thats a short runway. good job!

[@Robfromnorfolk]

Nice video, thank you. On screen that didn't look a particularly short strip. What length was it?

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

1700ft, I believe.

[@VicsYard]

That landing was nice.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Thought so too ;)

[@coleweaver7286]

"Chem trails are just my sneezes" hahaha

[@airmackeeee6792]

Hey Nick nice vid mate! I reckon you could re-upload this vid, unedited, as a demonstration of the need for precise & constant communication when operating in a busy uncontrolled airfield scenario. Watcha reckon mate?

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

I think I left 95% of everyone's calls in there. What did you think was missing?

[@neskyz4259]

NIce approach, nice work in the pattern with all that other traffic. You can't talk enough with that many planes flying around. Looking forward to someday coming up from Hartford to fly with you guys! Know a good breakfast fly in location?

[@callumtaggart9392]

Actually you can talk too much... in which case you miss other traffic making important calls on their location/intentions. Concise and clear calls are safe

[@neskyz4259]

Callum Taggart. I knew I was setting myself up for someone to make a comment. My comment was meant to imply that you need to effectively and efficiently communicate OFTEN when in a busy pattern.

[@callumtaggart9392]

Here in Australia our AIP states when radio calls should be made and the format for standard phrasology. As the guys said in the video at incertified aerodromes radio carriage is not mandatory so it really is see and avoid.... Another point I wanna bring up is how casual and laid back flying seems to be in the US. Over here in aus its draconian all in the name of "safety". However accident rates over here are higher per capita... maybe its because we do less time hands on in the air and more time with our heads down in the books and regulation... Safe Skies!!!

[@petermelillo6524]

Nice video, thanks for the advanced look at the airport. We are going to drop in there one of these days. Also thinking of purchasing the headset your buddy is using, any feed back on those?...thanks!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad I could help :) I think he enjoys them very much.

[@MaxDolittle]

Brings back memories from my flying days out of Charlottetown PEI YYG

[@Yachtbits]

"no guys with taildraggers and no radios!" Tut! cessna drivers! and whats this short field lark, you've got 1700ft of tarmac!

[@AmericaVoice]

Damn that's a lot of traffic for such a small strip!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

My pancakes bring all the boys to the yard.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

I had more fun footage of pancakes and Aviation movie trivia that I wanted to include, but I lost it somehow! So sorry :(

[@ericschultz8651]

Get it next year, keep up the great videos .

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

Have you ever flown a plane with a Diesel engine or an engine certified for unleaded? If so, is it an experience you'd repeat?

[@K1DTC]

It's not often a person comes across a video on KZbin and sees their house from a plane. That was interesting. I was not home my car was gone.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

No way! Do you have a pool? ;P

[@K1DTC]

Friendly Skies Film pause at 6:50 and my house is under the door hinge. Really cool!!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Neat!

[@BostonBuzz]

Retracting the flaps over the runway threshold? Is that a thing? I've never heard of it.

[@nexamis9507]

Awesome video!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Thanks, old friend :)

[@bobbeals2893]

Cool video!!! I'm loving the serious flying videos again. OK, far be it from me to question anything you do, but I was curious on something. Is the standard procedure for crossing over midfield: cross over the field 1000' above pattern altitude, make a right 270 while descending to pattern altitude to enter the downwind leg? Not doing actual flying, what you guys did is probably perfectly OK (just curious). All except that low approach. Are you trying to kill somebody??!!??? No...wait...wrong video! Have a great weekend, my friend!!!

[@brianmoeller3539]

Bob Beals Yes. Faster and heavier aircraft typically fly an additional 500ft above the little single engine bug smashes pattern alt. A 1000ft over TPA protects from both types of aircraft. Can't tell if you know it or not though :)

[@hempelcx]

I don't think most pilots cross at 1000' above PA. Usually more like 500'. Excess altitude there will have to be lost in the descent into the pattern. However, if there are jets in the pattern they'll generally be at a higher altitude, so you would want to adjust for them. But in my experience, jets almost always fly straight in approaches and pretty much just expect everyone else to get out of their way. ;)

[@georgecharlesallen1519]

A midfield entry into left downwind at pattern altitude is acceptable. Based on traffic flow, we determined it was a safe option: s118.photobucket.com/user/ichris7/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-17%20at%2011.35.04%20PM_zpskuoapcny.png.html

[@hempelcx]

For those who may not know, recommended pattern entries are prescribed in the AIM but they're not required -- at a non-towered field we can technically enter however we please so long as we don't endanger anyone and we don't try to occupy the same space as another aircraft (or flock of birds, or trees, or whatever.) Following standard practices makes us predictable and helps everyone maintain separation. Repetition also has its own benefits. Also you're likely to get an ear-full if you disregard standard procedures at a busy field.

[@brianmoeller3539]

i.b. hemp I've flown a 1000 above and past the downwind so I could turn and descend to a 45 entry. Maybe as I become more comfortable, I would try a different entry. I just get nervous about the lack of radio usage at non-towered. So I take extra precautions for myself.

[@BobbyChastain]

Not sure if I missed it, but how long is the runway?

[@JamesHewitt1399]

The checklist on my knee is mixture master key. Just great ahahaha

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Love our chief instructor :)

[@ericgirardet1848]

Nice video! Greetings from Switzerland!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Hi Switzerland! :D

[@robrichards3847]

Base to final took you right over my house. I have been meaning to get over there for the pancakes.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Haha, hey buddy! :)

[@hunterfagan6272]

I heard they opened the grass strip at minute man. You should take your warrior there. Its a 1600 ft runway

[@RobHeckart]

I'm a rusty pilot that hasn't flown in a while, but here's my 2 cents: 1. Why not call unicom for the preferred runway? 2. I would've flown the teardrop with lights on to 45 for 18 instead of direct downwind. Too much traffic and would be scared someone was below me that I couldn't see.

[@GeorgeCharlesAllen]

Fair points. However, why didn't Unicom bother to tell me when I had been calling 36 the whole time? And why didn't Civil Air Patrol respond to my parking request? Clearly everyone was a bit preoccupied with their pancakes :) It was also late in the breakfast. Everyone was practically already there. Just myself and company traffic behind. As we got closer everyone else started leaving (as I expected) and departing, hence my decision to cross midfield and join the left downwind to stay out of everyone's way on their departure turns. Turn a right teardrop and descending, while someone is turning a left crosswind departure and climbing isn't my favorite scenario. I made a decision appropriate to the flow of traffic and our position at the time.

[@GeorgeCharlesAllen]

Also, around 3:50, I asked what the sock was doing and they said it was a direct xwind.

[@CFITOMAHAWK2]

1D pilots cut the flaps after leaving the runway (afraid), 2D pilots cut the flaps after touchdown (Half afraid), 3D pilots cut the flaps in the flare (Never afraid). 3D pilots are the boss.

[@captaincrunch373]

So if you're floating, pull the flaps? That's an interesting idea.

[@daffidavit]

@@captaincrunch373 The reason airplanes float too much is because they have too much airspeed necessary for the landing. Lifting the flaps will only reduce the drag. You might drop to the ground, but you still have excess airspeed. The best way to reduce excess airspeed, or energy as the new saying goes, is to bleed it off in ground effect keeping the flaps down. If in doubt, go around. But as Scotty always says, "ya canna change the laws of physics".

[@davidwhite8633]

daffidavit You’re right about the laws of physics, and they say wheel friction drag and brakes will beat flap drag any day when that runway end is approaching fast ! ‘ when in doubt , go around ‘ Agreed . But with full flaps for that real short field hanging out let’s hope that there are no inconvenient obstacles off the far end if that decision is made on the runway .

[@daffidavit]

@@davidwhite8633 Well, let's just say, if you have to wait for the last second to make the decision to 'go around' youv'e probaly have waited a little to long. Let's hope the wait time was not beyond the safety limit time to have gone around. I recently had an experience whether to have gone around or to land. We probalby should have gone around. But the experience proved to have been a learning experience for me and my student. Let's say, if I had to do it all over again, I might have decided to have gone around. But it was so close, I might have done the same thing over again. Even when it comes to flight training, sometimes you have to go to the "outer Limit" in order to experience the true emergency situation. I certainly do not promote the flight training position that flight instructors should take each and every flight training episode to the "outer limits". I do not. But sometime the training episode creates and experience where both the flight instructor and the student both learn something new.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

@@daffidavit --Sometimes you are aiming to touch down on a precise spot, you keep the speed perfect but say at 100 feet agl a sudden shift of wind or a thermal from ground makes your approach flatter and now you are going to over shoot the spot. You can slip the airplane but it is very difficult to do it perfect at 100 feet. You can use the cutting flaps on flare trick. It is a talented pilot trick.

[@damiandiesel1]

I just performed a textbook walk to the bathroom after performing a difficult walk around the laundry pile, Almost didnt make it but for my great skill! You guys are too funny!

[@GeorgeCharlesAllen]

Nice. Are you offering lessons? Sign me up.

[@damiandiesel1]

Nah , By the look of things I think you guys have your hands full with warriors and 172's.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Can't we all just get along :P

[@borzica]

Awesome landing btw

[@attorney111]

How short was the field? Seemed for European conditions quite a big runway to me

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

1,700ft with 80ft trees.

[@RobertKaydoo]

Love the air freshener swinging in the back.

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Lol

[@proprotornut5389]

Awesome video! Thanks guys😀

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Glad you enjoyed :)

[@UNITED38Heavy]

Was pulling up the flaps right before touchdown a way to reduce floating for a short field landing?

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Yesssss :)

[@michaelasavino]

"The Civil Air Patrol will tell you where to POK". Oh how I miss my Worcester days!!

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

To Pock The Cahh!!

[@spitfireinvasion]

Hmmm... what about altering landing flap configuration before actual touchdown would you consider textbook? I know lots of voices call for retracting the flap upon touchdown for increased brake efficiency (not a fan of that either, much rather concentrate on my pedal work and keeping the plane stable on the centerline, applying good braking without skidding etc. and not distract myself with touching any handles that don't really do much to decrease landing roll anyways if you ask me) - but retracting them even BEFORE touchdown, whoa,now that seems quite a bit off putting to me! Not supposed to be a rant, I've been watching you guys for a while ,I know you're both good at this! Just maybe opening a point of discussion maybe :)

[@bonchie1]

Seen it done flying with Bush pilots in Africa. Sometimes the plane doesn't want to come down that last few feet, either due to gusts or speed, and retracting the flaps will go ahead and put it on the runway to start braking.

[@georgecharlesallen1519]

bonchie1 It's standard in bush flying. I trained with CC Pocock from South Africa. I suppose it depends on which textbook we're reading :)

[@hempelcx]

Psh, what does CC know... :p

[@spitfireinvasion]

not going to lie, that 51yrd landing was stunning :D

[@coopjack2707]

I agree with you the text book way is not like this, but it's a case of the pilots experience is allowing him to do more and try new things while staying safe

[@charliepapanovember6370]

Hi!! Great video and shortfield landing What camera are you using or how do you get the digital airspeed indicator in the video? I think its a great way to review your landings. Thanks

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

All GoPros, and all done from scratch in Adobe After Effects.

[@Wingmanbill8007F]

The Hard landing was caused by the loss of lift when you retracted the flaps right before touchdown!

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

(Just looking at your username) Is your tail number seriously one digit off from my Warrior, 8027F?!?

[@jimnew5813]

Nice airwork and landing, are you guys twins?

[@FriendlySkiesFilm]

Hahah nope, everyone just thinks so :)

[@tjpandell63]

Nice David Clamps 🫤🫤🥴

[@PilotCristina]

Considering the FAA is so strict I don't get why radios aren't required everywhere. I wish they would require you to have a handheld or a radio installed. 😬 it sucks having to look for people in the pattern not using radios.

[@captainicelander3898]

Would be cool to know what airfield that is? Awsome vid fellows!