Bushkin Replies to Megaman, beef with Mighty Moe? Creating Grime [NFTR]

Welcome to the brand new series, Not For The Radio.
Hosted by Duane Jones aka Vis (Renowned), Posty (GRM Daily) and Chams (Face4Music) the trio invite a series of guests onto the show to talk realness - no holds barred.
Bushkin (Heartless crew) joins the crew in the studio to discuss the relationship with Mighty Mo, Replies to Megaman, Hearless creating grime and much more.
Join in the conversation here using the hashtag #NFTR.

[@thef2]

Bushkin, MC Bushy B... What a ledge!

[@selondonwat]

***** yes boys im a big fan of yor chan, if yor a heartless crew follower regular, check my channel the most complete collection of new and vintage HLC material. bless up!

[@MORGsmusic]

Buskin is a proper yard man. Humble ting but wise

[@TGFLdn24]

Loooool, these guys are moving like politicians when they talk, ducking and diving, answer the question without really answering the question and giving enough without really giving to much away to get themselves in trouble. Smart. Interesting interview all the same.

[@WRA1TH.]

A man said peace love and pum pum loool

[@BushBashRecordings]

For all the people saying Wiley started grime and I don't want to admit it ..... I've never once heard Wiley himself say he started grime And if u have show us all where ?What Wiley did say on his own twitter is that we Heartless crew were the originators (His own words) and I praised him for his Realness To take it further I wouldn't say we started grime because we didn't name it but we we're doing grime long before all these grime artist ! Lastly my explanation of how grime started got cut short due to technical issues but long story short regardless of who started grime I would blatantly say Wiley pioneered the grime scene HOLLA !!!

[@rob2406.]

Lyrics from what you call it wileys sayin its his sound n starting it

[@Vision.Target.Shoot1]

Big Narstie broke it down on Sloth show the first grime tune was Skepta DTA

[@Vision.Target.Shoot1]

Big Narstie broke it down on Sloth show the first grime tune was Skepta DTA

[@Vision.Target.Shoot1]

Big Narstie broke it down on Sloth show the first grime tune was Skepta DTA

[@Leanupguy]

BushBash Recordings everything u said on there is bang on mate these people interviewing u ain’t got a clue

[@Nainocard]

That Pay As U Go clash with Heartless at Destiny's all those years ago was a pinnacle time in UK Garage. That battle pushed Pay As U Go and Dizzee Rascal to slew Heartless on radio for hours on end lol. A stepping stone from Dark Garage to Grime.

[@KaneBlitz]

Heartless crew has been on dis sound boy killing ting... from the 90's

[@raasbeng]

Great interview just like the megaman one big up the interviewers as well great questions

[@dub10]

From a crew called Heartless but he speaks with the most heart. Bigup Bushkin.

[@A4ANT]

Their heats inna deee music !!

[@94chubbs42]

HLC @ Bagleys - Room 2 Jungle set 2001/2 was a madness 🔊🔊🔊🔊

[@raheemml7542]

Big up Bushkin - this interview had good vibes still

[@prez_chesspresso]

History lesson in session. Big up bush

[@missmillies7237]

yeah heartless crew were massive back in the day, even bigger then so solid imo

[@MrGDeckz]

First interview I've checked and enjoyed. And Bushkin is right. Vibes you couldn't chat to HLC. Nice one Vis. Enjoyed.

[@kingwza8792]

Buskins mouth at 7.07 when viz and posty 'woah' 'woah' him down to a halt. man seh 'let me be pacific' Ocean ting!

[@mathewthomas7090]

Heartless were the best crew hands down back in the day. So Solid were bait.

[@matty161281]

Bushkin talking 100! Not one of my tapepacks im missing a so solid tape, nearly everyone is missing hlc one though!

[@blizzard12345679]

Legend

[@kandirox]

[@shoshoshomari]

Bushkin was talking mad smack in this interview lol loved it

[@KeirBo]

Avon Barksdale Them backhanded compliments init lol. He would send bare shots, but then show them bare love at the same time.

[@shawndavis2611]

all they talk about is money money money Bushkin is all about THE MUSIC RESPECT

[@Shadowghost81]

My collection of Heartless Crew tapes from packs and radio is ridiculous, only reason I used to buy a tape pack in the day was for the heartless crew tapes

[@JL-nk1pc]

Posty comes across so sly and insincere. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

[@outere24]

35:20 LOOOOOOL the way he put his face wen he sed Wiley started grime

[@outere24]

ExpectBass proper zoomed in loool

[@ExpectBass]

poohead970 Lool hahaha

[@ahmediszair8316]

poohead970 LOOOOOOOL too much

[@El_Vanguard]

poohead970 bussing up

[@sulemanibnmoosa]

Mc Bushkin, Mighty Moe & Fonti legends......!

[@bennib]

i think hes kinda saying pay as go losing? was the catalyst for clashes to be on radio rather than stage eg lord of the mics where you listen to lyrics rather than reloads

[@hussainm2493]

Bring Young Spray. Start off the aya Napa story from the man himself. I want to know the behind story of North Stars.

[@icomeinpeace10000000]

Just wondering, what does young spray have to do with it? Napa story of dizzee?

[@Produkzdj]

Skip to 35:25 for the 'wiley started grime'

[@jay-leeofficialcctv]

Produkz Music he never said that but it's sorta true wit he says Wiley took wit was going on and ran with it and only he made the Eskimo sound witch is no called grime

[@87Michael]

Bushkin you're my guy but the way you pronounce certain words is crazy. Man said "Bruv, let me be more pacific... " 🤔

[@deanog32]

No crew shut down the rave like heartless crew they was the bet in that era period!!!!!! Everyone knows that and if u don't u was not around then !!!

[@JohnSmith-ec9qr]

Crisp Biscuit ...Top 5 Albums in UK ever...

[@annonymous3948]

Mi man, g cuz, boom, likkle ting, pacific, yuh understand, get mi, ra ta ta, reh reh...

[@riskoebeats]

If you watch the Heartless Crew interview with Geeneus on Rinse Fm, Fonti explains what happened at Camden Palace in really good detail, it sounded sick.

[@mdot1504]

The days when NFTR was sick and had the realist guests... Buskin narrating my youth! Man lived thru all of this!!!

[@drogerhaughton6996]

Real talk vibes allday with heartless

[@nick_LDN]

Big ups to Bushkin - always been a top guy everytime I've met him and that comes across here too

[@andrewwright.]

Wow....the education is strong in this one.

[@hurley31]

No one started Grime, it was a process that involved several factors, like most movements. Around 2001 the Garage scene was thriving but the sound was changing and crews like PAYG made it solely about lyrics and aggression whereas the prior generation was just about having a good time - it was about the music primarily. But more bassy, vocal-less tunes were appearing for the MCs, and the seminal Musical Mob tune changed the game and began the permanent shift towards these types of tracks, and MC-only type of vibes. On top of this you had the Heartless-PAYG clash which was huge, in addition to the growing beef culture in American rap (Jayz/Nas kicked it off over there as well) and the focus on MCs just carried on growing with more and more crews emerging. Before 'Grime' really had a name and before WIley got credited with everything because of Eskimo, the culture had already existed for a year at least.

[@Nainocard]

What has Hip Hop got to do with Grime in that respect? You clearly have never seen Dancehall events like Reggae's Sting in the late 90's or the 2000's. Emcees like Gods Gift, Riko Dan, Flow Dan, Killa P etc had that Jamaican flow and Skepta even mentioned how he studied Ninja Man (KZbin him) at many Dancehall events. The term 'Grimey Garage' actually did come from Wiley when he use to write in forums on RWD Magazine when describing his sound. Pinnacle tracks of that darker transition of UK Garage to Grime are the obvious ones, Pulse X, Eskimo, Oi and Cha (by Plasticman) to name a few. Jamaican music has and will always have a stronger influence to British music.

[@hurley31]

The beef culture that was permeating through hip hop at the time was clearly being adopted in the UK scene as well, that's what I was saying, that it was an influence. Not sure what dancehall has got to do with anything, I never denied it's influence.

[@Nainocard]

I'll give you that about you not denying Dancehall, but the whole clashing thing didn't come from Hip Hop. Remember Grime has strong Dancehall influences and D&B. More than Hip Hop because alot of the Grime emcees are of Caribbean descent or grew up on music like Jungle. Hip Hop did have an influence on Grime but not in the way you're stating. You should watch Reggae Sting events with Ninja Man vs Merciless vs Bounty Killer for example.

[@A4ANT]

Nainocard - I remember “grime” coming after the demise of so solid when the garage scene had really died down. So solids era marked the start of the new sound / generation in garage, where you had less vocal house orientated tunes and it was more hip hop / baseline type songs with more lyrics. Compare the garage song Gabriel, to so solids ohh no.. where Ohh no was literally big in the garage scene when I was raving for at least a year+ before they got singed and it hit the charts. I remember big garage artists being unhappy with so solid bringing the “attitude” / grimier sounds to the genre... In my opinion grime originated from the demise of garage and then so solid...Grime was heavily brought to life with Wiley’s relentless instrumentals that just kept circulating around (when there was nothing else fresh coming out) and was used by the next generation of mcs. It was then cemented by Dizee Rascals rise to fame with the boy in the corner album which was the next set of youngsters after age group of the so solids etc

[@kushkur4126]

Need get in to ths Zoot roll 🍃🍁🙌💯

[@loonzuk]

👆👏👏🍁🍁

[@BrotherChefferz]

Shout out to my cuzzy warren Waugh for hooking me up with all the heartless crew sets. An era I loved and will never forget.

[@badderman1]

WELCOME BACK VIS

[@selondonwat]

one word i cant stand as it gets thrown about too much theses days is "EPIC" bt its about the only word that can describe this interview!! bigg!

[@josephwilliams159]

wiley NEEDS to be on this

[@MORGsmusic]

Yeah when It came to shutting down raves back in the day Heartless were the dons. PAYG Cartel were dope at raves too. So Solid I think ran the dubs and CD's in the early days before grime

[@skinnerstewartproperty2252]

Quarn Bushkin, True Talk

[@Krisbyman]

13:25 The truth, no one shut down raves like HLC. FACTS!

[@kthomas8968]

yoo bushkin looks like stevie j

[@showermanlengmanting7766]

bushkin is a cool guy. was in napa with him

[@ohlardy]

Talking up the tings

[@OfficialJPtheArtist]

Yes bush

[@Ltasty]

Need to get Doogz on here.

[@bofhead92]

Get Wiley on the show !!

[@rootbeermcgee]

bofhead92 bmt would he even turn up, he would probably do it via skype lool

[@87Michael]

rootbeermcgee He's been on twice in a year. What you saying?

[@rootbeermcgee]

87_Michael i made this comment mooonths before he did it

[@vinegarcider2749]

EthiopianStar Wiley is Vybz Cartel s Beautician

[@corsinivideos]

lol, wiley been on like 3 times already, the vids are on the channel.

[@rdgguy11190]

big up bushkin

[@kcj2007uk]

i didn't know this.....

[@lungzie]

heartless legends in the uk

[@KeirBo]

Someone definitely needs to find that heartless vs so solid, I just listened to the PAYG vs Heartless and PAYG got duppied no lie, I'm suprised certain man even came back from that. Posti why you gotta go suggest Xmas special for full crew link up special? That's bare far away lol

[@BlackCard321]

Buskin is too funny lol

[@a-eye-music]

Bushkin speaks like a wise Rasta!

[@ig7244]

We need young spray!!!!

[@shaunnysosa08]

he knows in his heart wiley started grime init hahaha but big interview tho shout outs to heartless crew b!

[@BushBashRecordings]

shaunnysosa08 For all the people saying Wiley started grime and I don't want to admit it ..... I've never once heard Wiley himself say he started grime And if u have show us all where ?What Wiley did say on his own twitter is that we Heartless crew were the originators (His own words) and I praised him for his Realness To take it further I wouldn't say we started grime because we didn't name it but we we're doing grime long before all these grime artist ! Lastly my explanation of how grime started got cut short due to technical issues but long story short regardless of who started grime I would blatantly say Wiley pioneered the grime scene HOLLA !!!

[@dedetreek8893]

man, man, raaahhh, man, man, u man ting, man did it, man, man, the man dem.... LOLOL

[@sali629]

Hlc set the trends facts

[@SjJ-SJ]

One Love B

[@020701304]

I'm confused, how can he just use the Boss from Hugo Boss?

[@achengoletkett6764]

bushy bushy bushy bush kinnnnnnnn.

[@MrGreenTITAN]

My MAN said the word "MAN" 1000times looooooool

[@REALCAUTION]

Looool ahlie

[@skay6205]

MrGreenTITAN lol no vocab

[@showermanlengmanting7766]

MrGreenTITAN mans from the hood what u xpct

[@skay6205]

showerman lengmanting thats not an excuse, some people know how to switch vocab up from time to time, he's a grown man aswell

[@showermanlengmanting7766]

True but bare in mind that Bushkin is from the OLDSKOOLgarage days. 90% of the things been spoke about in this interview is from the past. He's been making music way before these people interviewing him were even on the scene. So why would he switch up his vocab NOW of all times.

[@k252]

I bet Maxwell D is interviewed next...lol

[@toppatoppa5236]

Royalties for life £

[@bigmoneysteppa]

While your out on the street you can bag some extra cash collecting plastic and cans. Instead of just bagging a bit of p stroking the ting.

[@postman445]

bushkin is right

[@lukingforabettername8248]

man said moses looooool

[@jfmarston]

Lol Moses lead them out of Babylon?? that's new.

[@dannyjohnson5720]

the guys a ledge

[@TESK4]

The bushkin 100

[@Lilly-ud6qs]

So Solid could never step to HLC,people weren't checking for them like that back in the day.

[@kc.theblockcaptin6178]

Bushkin is a real man, because he is talking about the bigger picture. Remember it's music business him and Mo, did not drugs. Man done a snake move out of fear if you look at the whole picture. I get what he saying about that stil

[@Shadowboxe]

What really happened in Nappa?

[@KC18788]

I don't like how they bait out a person calling to be interviewed. That's unprofessional, it doesn't matter.... just interview

[@pjgolden9274]

heartless run the whole place

[@zahiralibhai8444]

I’m not feeling these guys the interviewers like they are trying to take the piss

[@massmade8362]

This is cool but... Get Pierre on!!

[@danielcaybakan2851]

Anyone got a good copy of heartless la cosa nostra @temple 97/98

[@aldanielfrancis5190]

These posts are an interesting take on history and people's memory. We all know that this art form comes from Yard, but even that is questionable because you cannot exclude Rap from the debate. However. man HAS mentioned Pulse X. But no one HAS mentioned Musical Mob(NORTH WEEZY). I say this coz they made Pulse X and I think it just evolved from there. But one of the last points I'd like to make about grime is, East yutes pioneered the scene of grime, Wiley and a lot of the main contenders were all from the same area so there has to be a figure head of grime and it Must go to Wiley's Eski sound. It was rife in East. I am a House 'n' Garage hed and the truth is we didn't wanna know bout grime but da yungerz kept it going from all parts, N. S. E. W and have produced something the UK can be proud to be associated with. Big up all trail blazers... can't wait for the next interview and the Xmas special

[@supahdupahguy81]

+aldaniel francis Were musical mob north west? I always thought they were part of that bashy/freeze fm lot...

[@aldanielfrancis5190]

+supahdupahguy81 I think so but as you have a few members maybe not all of them are nw. but I thought they were. I could be wrong and just beggin it for norfweezy lol

[@kspentertainments8701]

@soulcentralmag @ksp_ent @bushbash @BosseCigars

[@Produkzdj]

dammm

[@topshelfcbd8617]

Produkz Music ??

[@Produkzdj]

Deep'N'Dirty wat

[@rdgguy11190]

Produkz Music man like

[@showermanlengmanting7766]

GET C1 AND YOUNGSPRAY NEXTTT!!!!!! OR JUST SPRAY WILL DO. PLSSS

[@superpiccirillo]

Mega man and pay as you go all got dealt with! What are these kids talking about!!!!! Heartless crew ran the show.....legends. Pay as you go were nothing compared to these boys

[@showermanlengmanting7766]

EAT MCss aliveeee

[@skay6205]

wiley started grime, lets be honest

[@MORGsmusic]

S Kay Kind of, that grime sound was part of any graveshift UKG set on radio, it was just not mainstream.They would play that sound when they are warming up. The first version of grime I heard properly was Hoe by Dizzee Rascal and then Eskimo. Wiley and Dizzee both popularized grime and are responsible for the birth and both produced. Wiley held up grime through its whole life. Dizzee was instrumental in the early stages. No one even called it grime until Channel U days. It was known as Garage or 2Step riddims.

[@MORGsmusic]

MORGs Heartless used to spit over grime beats , everyone did in the early days.

[@KeirBo]

S Kay Wiley mighta been the one to name it and make it an official thing, but the ingredients of which grime was made came from a whole bunch of people.

[@skay6205]

Keir Bo talk about stating the obvious... everyone knows that. thats y its called grime scene. people used to do sets on pirate radio n pa's at raves. we all already know that

[@KeirBo]

S Kay It may be common knowledge for some, but there a lot of younger generation people who consider themselves grime heads without knowing the history, that's why I said it, just to clarify.

[@MrJammykid13]

#DontthinkB

[@toppatoppa5236]

I like artist that can articulate them selves when doing press and interviews etc Giggs is terrible

[@SI-cd7xs]

man old londoners accents is so different.

[@WantTeaBag]

Sorry but his explanation of how grime started wasnt good enough. sounded like he didnt want to admit if wiley started it or not

[@BushBashRecordings]

WantTeaBag For all the people saying Wiley started grime and I don't want to admit it ..... I've never once heard Wiley himself say he started grime And if u have show us all where ?What Wiley did say on his own twitter is that we Heartless crew were the originators (His own words) and I praised him for his Realness To take it further I wouldn't say we started grime because we didn't name it but we we're doing grime long before all these grime artist ! Lastly my explanation of how grime started got cut short due to technical issues but long story short regardless of who started grime I would blatantly say Wiley pioneered the grime scene HOLLA !!!

[@benokeeffe3788]

where can I find the hlc clash with sticky and Simon sez best radio clash ever?

[@Smalltowncasual]

Why the fuck has Duane still got the tag on his cap?

[@itsJDarts]

Post diddly always gotta ask about money

[@Brewsterman]

He is a pocket watcher.

[@ryanhand6278]

Question asked. Reply : "the things is were about the vibes blah blah blah" question asked. Reply : " okay I'll tell you what really happened...but what you Gota remember is heartless were a different ring we were about the vibes blah blah blah". Question asked. Reply: "yea I'll tell you about our record deal..but agen what it was was heartless weren't about the money we were about the vibes it's all love blah blah blah blah blah" fukin hell every question was just avoided and swerved I think megas views are more believable as mega was calm relaxed and gave straight up answers (on most questions) bush looks all irate and vexed and swerved on a lottttt of questions the guy that got beat up who he said was his friend he then said wasn't with him as such just someone he knew. Why would he have got stomped if he was nothing to do with anything I doubt so solid guys just stomped some random guy who just happened to also know bushkin aswell Cumon I think bushkin wud have been better off not doing this interview

[@joj5585]

Big man talking like some 17 year old.

[@jamieburnett1876]

***** how can you say its black peoples slang so every white person that speaks like that is a wigga then ? Jo J and as for you sayin he speaks like a yout yeah ovsly your one of them people who thinks only youts speak like that

[@DuttyRockb]

+# Smithy correct it is black slang , just been taken on by other cultures. No biggie though! A lot of the slang comes from yard !!

[@supahdupahguy81]

+Jamie Burnett It is technically black people slang. It's patwa. Because it's been spoken in places like London, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester etc for at least 40 years, there's a bag of white people from those areas who've been born & raised around it & so naturally are going to pick up elements of that dialect in their speech.

[@osker450]

Wiley started grime u sack any grime artist will say the same even so solid will tell u Wiley started and they never got along

[@josephetebefia9645]

Defo...when wily was at payg he started making the grime sound...

[@corsinivideos]

Lol might wanna take the tag off your hat bro you're not 15.

[@pound4poundko701]

Mighty Moe = Snake. Simple