Busting their bogus claim.

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Banks Power

Banks Power

Ай бұрын

For years, aftermarket parts companies have claimed, uncontested, that more oil in rear differential housing makes for cooler temperatures leading to longer-lasting gears and bearings. We put those claims to the test by performing a series of hill climbs and recording the results. We found that the larger capacity covers did take a little longer to heat up, but they also look much longer to cool down. In other words, they retain heat! The Banks Ram-Air differential cover, however, redirects air from just above the road surface up through its long, thin heat radiation fins. The result is dramatically lower temps with far less oil than the high-capacity covers. Those who own these high-capacity covers paid for 4 additional quarts of oil that don't actually cool as advertised. More oil doesn't cool. Airflow does.
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@Jaybird913
@Jaybird913 Ай бұрын
And the banks helps with lubercation because the oil isn’t getting sloshed around as violently
@hexgraphica
@hexgraphica Ай бұрын
With what sir?
@noneyabizz8337
@noneyabizz8337 Ай бұрын
​@@hexgraphicainternal design
@ICEWALRUS
@ICEWALRUS Ай бұрын
@@hexgraphica He has another short on this, flat backs make a 90 degree angle to slosh into for the oil it leads to higher levels of aeration which degrades the lubricant faster. The banks version its concave like the stock cover which reduces the aeration.
@Jessersadler
@Jessersadler Ай бұрын
​@@ICEWALRUSAnd he never shows his. Guaranteed his cover aerates that much or more.
@jacobbelcher3512
@jacobbelcher3512 Ай бұрын
​@Jessersadler he has a video on this. Seen it many times.
@bodaciousskies
@bodaciousskies Ай бұрын
This is some good shit. Make the product, show the product against the oem and a competitor and give you the results. Nothing to hide just trying to get people to take care of their rides
@calholli
@calholli Ай бұрын
Why are you testing the temp of the cover and not the temp of the oil inside? Why are you testing with different amounts of oil? lol.. All you really have proven is that more oil inside is better at transferring heat to the cover. Also that more oil has more thermal mass and won't dissipate as fast after you stop. But even that is irrelevant without knowing the temperature of the OIL.. There are so many things wrong here. hahah. Science has left the chat
@Neishy4AGTE
@Neishy4AGTE Ай бұрын
Who are you talking to ​@@calholli
@goodnoughperformance
@goodnoughperformance Ай бұрын
@@calholli they weren't measuring the cover temp, they measured the lubricant temp using a thermocouple probe that was installed through the covers.
@bankspower
@bankspower Ай бұрын
The temp tested was that of the oil, not of the diff cover. We proved that more oil inside the diff housing does not cool better. Please see the original full-length video to clear up any questions. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXLQfZV9iNt4ick
@Jessersadler
@Jessersadler Ай бұрын
Snake Oil
@williamroberts6803
@williamroberts6803 Ай бұрын
I would so love to meet this man. He’s smart and very entertaining.
@user-bv3wo2qh1d
@user-bv3wo2qh1d Ай бұрын
I just remembered I have never once checked the temps on my 24 year old Dana 80 rear end! Oh well hopefully it makes it back up again.
@Gregrsmt
@Gregrsmt Ай бұрын
Exactly, creating solutions to problems that don't exist.
@F150customs
@F150customs Ай бұрын
Less heat means less wear. In theory allowing it to last longer.
@Gregrsmt
@Gregrsmt Ай бұрын
​@@F150customsyep, instead of lasting 15 years, it will now last 15 1/2 years.
@CreeplayEU
@CreeplayEU 29 күн бұрын
@@Gregrsmt the lower temps aren't the only feature
@dadgarage7966
@dadgarage7966 Ай бұрын
This is great news. The O.E. diff cover works just fine and we don't need to spend extra money.
@noturkill9879
@noturkill9879 Ай бұрын
This is to show why aftermarket diff covers don't work. The banks one is designed to compete with them. Not with the stock. Stock is designed specifically for the axle.
@jankington216
@jankington216 Ай бұрын
​@@noturkill9879if the aftermarket diff covers are designed to compete with stock, and the banks diff covers are engineered to compete with aftermarket, you kinda need to lose the plot in order to think banks isn't competing with the OEM
@chutemuchafibra
@chutemuchafibra Ай бұрын
incredible how they always swear they got the miracle for you to convince you to give your money for their product, 11650 pounds and climbing which will be rare, 13 degrees is not a real performance, this people business is to deceive people to get their money
@CreeplayEU
@CreeplayEU 29 күн бұрын
@@jankington216 but still if you put it simply then Banks makes aftermarket actually mean something other than more premium appearance
@Chocolate_dragon
@Chocolate_dragon 24 күн бұрын
Exactly. The OEM spent a lot of money designing a truck. Gear oil is good to 250 degrees before break down starts occurring. This cover is a waste of cash since most of us will never encounter a 5 mile grade like that daily or even yearly in my case. These types of products are for catching suckers
@kaptain1477
@kaptain1477 Ай бұрын
Maybe the only thing adding more lubricant will do is make it take longer to heat up since there is more fluid it takes longer to heat up all those molecules in the oil.
@Turbo2Pete
@Turbo2Pete Ай бұрын
Right, and that heat is going to be held in contact with more area of the diff, probably bringing up the overall temperature
@calholli
@calholli Ай бұрын
Right.. It takes longer to heat up.. and because of the thermal mass of having all that extra oil-- it takes longer to cool back down too. So if you hurry up and measure it right when you stop-- it will still be trying to suck the heat out of that extra oil. It's a silly comparison. Also, why measure the temp of the cover rather than the actual temperature of the oil?
@goodnoughperformance
@goodnoughperformance Ай бұрын
​@@calholli they weren't measuring the cover temp, they measured the lubricant temp using a thermocouple probe that was installed through the covers.
@Jessersadler
@Jessersadler Ай бұрын
@calholli It's not just thermal mass. It's area. Something that's 1 sqft isn't going to dissipate heat as fast as 1.5 sqft. That's why heatsinks have fins.
@calholli
@calholli Ай бұрын
@@Jessersadler Yes.. but his design goes even further and has little scoops that hang down below the diff and catch air and force that air to blow up through the fins.. Which is not going to work for an offroad setup.. but it's something. You can imagine how much drag that is putting onto the truck and causing it to work a little harder to overcome the resistance-- likely causing it to heat up more; so how much is it really helping?
@trollinpro1
@trollinpro1 Ай бұрын
Why does KZbin keep showing me only videos from banks talking about one of the products they won't make for my truck. Salt meet wound. 😢
@TheBigghunter01
@TheBigghunter01 Ай бұрын
Get different truck? Also banks is a pretty small company, they are only going to put money into R&D for products that sell the best.
@GoyslopGladiator
@GoyslopGladiator Ай бұрын
@@TheBigghunter01 "Get a different truck" you know how expensive even a used truck is right now?
@EvolutionAutocrosser
@EvolutionAutocrosser Ай бұрын
I don’t even own a truck…. Lol
@edlavoie7307
@edlavoie7307 Ай бұрын
Dmaxryno got this cover first for his sema build the bbb
@austink4712
@austink4712 Ай бұрын
I have a silverado, but its a 1500 so extra salt
@coldlogic800
@coldlogic800 Ай бұрын
The only problem with this video is a lack of evidence to show the reduced temperatures were significant enough to decrease maintenence or provide better protection. 209degf is not very hot at all.
@scythelord
@scythelord Ай бұрын
Yep and the difference between 205 and 193 are absolutely negligible. The metals don't care. The oils don't either.
@MagentaSnow
@MagentaSnow Ай бұрын
⁠@@scythelordtemperature would have an affect on the life expectancy of the metals and oils. Probably wouldn’t extend it by much, but isn’t the whole point of progress to make things operate more efficiently?
@42468
@42468 Ай бұрын
@@scythelord that 12 degrees creates a solid 10-15% change in viscosity looking at my SAE gear oil charts. that's totally enough to affect diff wear
@jakec5
@jakec5 Ай бұрын
If doing proper maintenance and checking for leaks then this means nothing
@HDSME
@HDSME Ай бұрын
Not u h te p not much difference?
@maxturgidson568
@maxturgidson568 Ай бұрын
Beware of improperly scaled graphs. And lack of controls
@piedpiper1172
@piedpiper1172 Ай бұрын
It is properly scaled? It is scaled so each mark indicates 5 degrees, showing the range from 170 to 210 degrees. There is a control? It’s the OEM, and the consistent test method (same speed, same load, same route). The OEM is the baseline/control sample. You could critique a lack of multiple data point collections, but they may have done more than one run in the full video. If they didn’t, they should have
@javanconklin4699
@javanconklin4699 Ай бұрын
Ya if you just look at the bars it looks like a 30% difference from the stock but it's really a 6% difference. Still a nice upgrade but not a 30% upgrade
@cjbrags1344
@cjbrags1344 Ай бұрын
​@javanconklin4699 only it isnr trying to portray a percentage, only the mentally innept would look at that graph and think oh yeah that's a 30% decrease, seriously it's not hard to read nor misleading
@Bertinator-nm9ld
@Bertinator-nm9ld Ай бұрын
​@@cjbrags1344It's definitely trying to portray a greater difference than the reality of the situation. This is the same reason stock market graphs don't start the y-axis at 0. It makes small changes look larger than they are. I guarantee that your initial thought when looking at this graph was NOT "oh, that's like a 6% improvement". You definitely thought it represented a greater change, until running the actual numbers. The human brain much prefers visual information (bar size) to actual numerical data. That's just how our brains are built!
@Animal_lives_matter
@Animal_lives_matter Ай бұрын
​@@javanconklin4699 And Fahrenheit is a larger scale , in Celcius it's only 6 degrees cooler , 96C vs 90C. Nice to have still I suppose. If it was a CPU temp that would be a much desired 6C.
@jonirelan2904
@jonirelan2904 Ай бұрын
You can’t beat Banks quality! I’m still driving my 1997 Ford F-250, 7.3L with Banks goodies since 1998. Not only does it continue to run like a champ but when I was forced 5 years ago to have it smog tested where the exhaust was passed across a reflector beneath a spectrum analyzer, it registered 0.4 out of a scale of 1-10.. The manager, having retested the truck on a second machine stated that new diesel cars and trucks were normally testing at 6 to 7 and that this was the best performing diesel engine he had ever seen., I would love to try the Banks differential cover on my old truck!
@happycamper137
@happycamper137 Ай бұрын
I have a 96 F250, what all was/is available for these trucks? I'm starting to put a wish list together. Any tips/advice would be appreciated.
@jonirelan2904
@jonirelan2904 Ай бұрын
@@happycamper137 yes sir, firstly, replace stock exhaust from heads to exhaust tips with their 4” stainless, no crimped pipes, replace turbo, add intercooler, Banks Command module. I do wish I’d added the compression brake but that hasn’t been an issue. Finally, do add a quality oil cooler. Can’t recall, off-hand who made mine. Having said this, I would love to find a Banks certified shop in Tennessee to check my equipment and to offer advice regarding additional or more recent Banks offerings!
@piedpiper1172
@piedpiper1172 Ай бұрын
The primary factors for an emissions test should be 1) if the cats have worn out or not and 2) cylinder combustion temperature. I’m sure Banks used the best quality cat crystals at the time for their exhaust, but for a truck that old I’d expect them to have worn out after 20+ years. The alternate turbo, intercooler, and oil cooler could have some impact on combustion temp, but since diesels trigger combustion via pressure, I’m not sure how much it could possibly reduce. Perhaps it all adds up to the cylinders not retaining as much heat between strokes, lowering average combustion temp? I honestly don’t know. Does the initial temperature of the air for a forced induction diesel even impact final combustion temperature, since pressure just is how the temperature is raised to cause combustion in diesel engines? I’m a gas guy, so I’ve only got a theory based understanding of diesels, having never owned one.
@sourdoughbornsourdoughbred4712
@sourdoughbornsourdoughbred4712 Ай бұрын
I have an older one without the needless Banks crap and it runs fine
@1Cobranut
@1Cobranut Ай бұрын
No cats on the 1990's trucks. ​@piedpiper1172
@Wolvenworks
@Wolvenworks Ай бұрын
I love it when people talk car science
@longboardalways
@longboardalways Ай бұрын
Good test. Proves to me that I don’t need that cover.
@f-j-Services
@f-j-Services Ай бұрын
Correct. How often does someone pull these grades with weight in extreme temperatures NEED to have their gear oil COOL EVERY second of the ride, it will cool off once load and speed decreases. Like jeez, should my Peterbilt have these fancy heat sink diff rears? I have temp gauges in mine! (Psst. they dont work..)
@d.w.6216
@d.w.6216 Ай бұрын
@@f-j-Servicesheating and cooling cycles wear out lubricants and they break down. Less heat means less maintenance and breakdown
@Basilahi
@Basilahi Ай бұрын
@@d.w.6216however many rear differential fluid changes you do throughout the life of that vehicle would still be cheaper than the price of that cover, and you would still have to change the fluid with that cover not like it is life time fluid now
@Cozzy-Wozzy
@Cozzy-Wozzy Ай бұрын
​@@d.w.6216Don't waste your breath, you'll never get anywhere with these sorts of guys lol.
@rockmehardplace
@rockmehardplace Ай бұрын
a guy can change a lot of diff oil for the $400 aftermarket cover (that you’re at risk of cracking if you use the bottom of the diff as a jacking point when lifting the truck)
@jabbawakka7286
@jabbawakka7286 Ай бұрын
As a kiwi motor enthusiast, Gale Banks name has been an ever present thing. A Godfather of all things motoring.
@sethlloyd1146
@sethlloyd1146 28 күн бұрын
And a 29% increase in horsepower torque. You forgot to mention that!
@Alex-td1pi
@Alex-td1pi Ай бұрын
I’ll just run stock
@ivok9846
@ivok9846 Ай бұрын
with such dumb ads, you better!
@e.b.6766
@e.b.6766 Ай бұрын
I will run stock as well. My 2024 Ram has got everything covered. Not gonna modify anything… falls on me at that point. I’ll let the unlimited maintenance/ warranty package take care of that stuff. I’m over modifying sh!t for a bunch of money. Did that with my 2016 EcoBoost. When crap went wrong it mostly was on me. Changed the down pipes- SPD, Full Race intercooler, coils, plugs, wheels, sub, intake. Added, Sumo Springs, Full Race CAI, Full Race oil catch can, and TurboSmart BOV. Added a tune after all that. Was putting down 395hp/ 603lbs/ft of torque at the wheels. After changing sets of fouled plugs, excessive oil blow-by, and damage to the rear end I traded it. I’ll just drive another run of the mill pickup. Rather be reliable than fast.
@evangaudet
@evangaudet Ай бұрын
@@e.b.6766if you want fast spend 5-10 grand on a motorcycle. You’ll be 90% of the way to owning a super car worth hundreds of thousands.
@jacobrogers4619
@jacobrogers4619 Ай бұрын
It’s what’s actually lubricating your gears that matters the most 💯
@JamesGamesASMR
@JamesGamesASMR Ай бұрын
For real, spending thousands for a few degrees of difference. FOH lolol
@sabercruiser.7053
@sabercruiser.7053 Ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏🤲🔥🔥🤌🤌
@johndoe8785
@johndoe8785 Ай бұрын
When children discover things that have been around for decades.
@Marine450x
@Marine450x Ай бұрын
Awesome, driven the Castaic grade many a times, but usually not with a load. How ever I have pulled heavy trailers, with diesel pickups, up the Baker Grade (I-15), during the summer. THAT will test everything, and anything to it's limit 🥵
@Anne_40
@Anne_40 Ай бұрын
Science, Mr. Banks. Science !! 👍🏼👍🏼
@calholli
@calholli Ай бұрын
Why are you testing the temp of the cover and not the temp of the oil inside? Why are you testing with different amounts of oil? lol.. All you really have proven is that more oil inside is better at transferring heat to the cover. Also that more oil has more thermal mass and won't dissipate as fast after you stop. But even that is irrelevant without knowing the temperature of the OIL.. There are so many things wrong here. hahah. Science has left the chat
@Anne_40
@Anne_40 Ай бұрын
@@calholli He identifies the temperatures as “the lubricant temp”. Not sure why you are thinking it’s the cover temperature. Additionally, it’s just a short video. They can’t possibly outline the entire test method used. There are other videos on their site explaining the development of that product and what was considered in their evaluations as they developed and tested it. ✌🏽👍🏼
@goodnoughperformance
@goodnoughperformance Ай бұрын
@@calholli they weren't measuring the cover temp, they measured the lubricant temp using a thermocouple probe that was installed through the covers.
@thesunflowchannel1995
@thesunflowchannel1995 Ай бұрын
It’s all about the cooling. Bigger fins, higher airflow all result in lower temps
@GrandePunto8V
@GrandePunto8V Ай бұрын
It's about the oil temp = how fast it ages.
@levistoner
@levistoner Ай бұрын
Showing actual real world test results is the hallmark of a company that believes in their product and is worthy of your time and money.
@thefinalkayakboss
@thefinalkayakboss 5 күн бұрын
Increasing the oil capacity just makes it take longer to get up to temp. It doesnt ultimately affect whatever that operating temp is. The cooling fins are what brought it down the 6 degrees from the stock temp.
@christopherbiomass7155
@christopherbiomass7155 23 күн бұрын
"We just proved that more oil does not equal lower temps." No, sir, you did nothing of the sort. You provided anecdotal evidence that fins + air flow = heat dissipation. But we already knew that.
@antoniocampos5638
@antoniocampos5638 Ай бұрын
Actually, more oil might mean you hold up that energy, so temperature, more time, which means you can't do a lot of hard work, specially on the Summer in the Southern states. Not to mention crossing Appalachians and Rockies.
@calholli
@calholli Ай бұрын
Why are you testing the temp of the cover and not the temp of the oil inside? Why are you testing with different amounts of oil? lol.. All you really have proven is that more oil inside is better at transferring heat to the cover. Also that more oil has more thermal mass and won't dissipate as fast after you stop. But even that is irrelevant without knowing the temperature of the OIL.. There are so many things wrong here. hahah. Science has left the chat
@antoniocampos5638
@antoniocampos5638 Ай бұрын
@calholli Actual science says metal such as steel conducts heat a lot better than oil. Also, considering the limited thickness of the walls, it'll conduct and lose that heat relatively fast. Meanwhile, the mass of oil tends more to retain heat, especially in an enclosed environment that keeps producing heat. The more oil, the harder it gets to lower the temperature faster without a circulation through a heat exchanger. So the oil will have at least the temperature of the steel when you were just running, never lower than that. The faster you lose heat in the enclosure, the faster the oil can lose heat to that enclosure and if you have less oil mass to retain heat, the faster the oil loses heat. This principle works as long as the outside temperature around the enclosure is lower then the temperature on the steel of the enclosure. The extra oil is the normal thing we see with some aftermarket parts with the flat surface, especially since there's a bigger volume in the enclosure and there's consideration on a minimum level of oil on the moving parts to get thrown around to lubricate and move heat. Notice I said level, not volume. Than, there's even marketing on said parts that might say that holding more oil is better. Maybe running a desert rally endurance during a Summer's day might get you the conditions for this not to work.
@garyjensen1602
@garyjensen1602 Ай бұрын
All temperatures given were of the lubricant not the cover. Reading comprehension left the chat.
@RedfishCarolina
@RedfishCarolina Ай бұрын
​@@calholliHe's not changing the amount of oil used intentionally. The Mag cover is designed to increase oil capacity, so you HAVE to fill it up with more oil. He's testing all 3 covers with exactly the prescribed amount of oil. His whole point is that using more oil doesn't do much for thermal management.
@calholli
@calholli Ай бұрын
@@RedfishCarolina His results only show that the cover with more oil inside can dissipate the heat faster. Fluid conducts heat 25x faster than air.. So when you have more fluid up against the cover, it is going to heat up more than the others. To actually get the REAL results of these tests, you would need to be monitoring the OIL Temperature directly; because that's all the matters. Just because your cover is cooler, doesn't mean the oil inside is cooler. This is why it takes a 3rd party independent testing to get any real results that you can trust. This is not an apples to apples test at all.
@bryanc8176
@bryanc8176 Ай бұрын
GD! I put a Mag-hytec on my pick up a year ago! I’m goin to get a Banks.
@volvo09
@volvo09 Ай бұрын
They had another video with a clear cover showing that the flat covers also aerate the fluid more, and don't contour to the ring gear, resulting in less lubrication slinging over the pinion gear.
@johnmoser2689
@johnmoser2689 Ай бұрын
I think the main takeaway is if you're going to do a bit of tuning and buying upgrades you might as well use the stuff that performs better and is designed to be an improved part. I am not sure why a lot of comments on here are super negative towards Banks
@deadteddybears_7302
@deadteddybears_7302 28 күн бұрын
I love the end statement, you proved that more oil does in fact lower temps. Last I checked 199 was lower than 205 🎉
@RamadaArtist
@RamadaArtist 25 күн бұрын
And 192.5 is _also_ lower than 205, even though it has the same amount of oil in it. Ergo the 199 might very well have nothing to do with the amount of oil, compared to the 205, and probably everything to do with the fact that it has radiator fins.
@deadteddybears_7302
@deadteddybears_7302 24 күн бұрын
@@RamadaArtist fair enough, I was mainly pointing out that he proved that the competition’s equipment also lowers temps. This scientific test was poorly designed for variables.
@michaelwatson7298
@michaelwatson7298 21 күн бұрын
Love the way he backs what he says with test to prove it.
@henrycarlson7514
@henrycarlson7514 23 күн бұрын
Interesting , Thank You
@PaulMartinez-lx2ek
@PaulMartinez-lx2ek 6 күн бұрын
Air flow matters. My freightliner trans started running warmer.I crawled under it and found the plastic bumper cover had a broken bracket that allowed it to hang lower…..I strapped it back up and it quit running hot!
@merendell
@merendell Ай бұрын
Makes sense. The lubricant is there to reduce friction from metal on metal contact. Once you have sufficient quantities to keep everything covered it does not reduce heat further, just provides thermal mass to absorb and move the heat around. If you want to bring temps down further you need to increase cooling. Either more surface area for air to flow over or force more air past it.
@MyGreatCreation
@MyGreatCreation Ай бұрын
Oh wow a whole 10 degrees lower. I bet that makes absolutely 0 difference.
@F1rstp3rson
@F1rstp3rson 22 күн бұрын
I mean, putting Cooling Fins on hot things seems like a no-brainer to me.
@enclavevideo
@enclavevideo Ай бұрын
So it would seem to me that the fluid usually acts as a lubricant, heat sink, and (to a small extent), a heat transfer medium, by using the banks housing instead of the stock the diff fluid acts more as a heat transfer medium and less as a heat sink, since the excess heat is being shed by the fins on the housing.
@Jessersadler
@Jessersadler 19 күн бұрын
a heat sink is a heat transfer medium
@williamlloyd3769
@williamlloyd3769 7 күн бұрын
Interstate 5, near Castaic definitely is a good challenge!
@garypacholek8070
@garypacholek8070 Ай бұрын
Mr. Banks, you ARE the goat !!!!!
@steele37031
@steele37031 Ай бұрын
At least this is one product you make that won't constantly throw check engine codes....
@FloridaTwoWheelAdventures
@FloridaTwoWheelAdventures Ай бұрын
I only had one of their products throw a code, the ram air intake. But they replaced the MAF module and no problems since.
@IsleOfFeldspar
@IsleOfFeldspar Ай бұрын
Forget the differential I’m impressed the silverado made it without breaking down or at least a couple CELs
@dasPartyhut
@dasPartyhut Ай бұрын
Purely logical. More oil takes longer to heat up but with enough cooling it stays cooler.
@chrismannifield3222
@chrismannifield3222 2 күн бұрын
Backed by science, not bullshit.
@solargarage
@solargarage Ай бұрын
Love the banks, would love to see covers for light duty trucks. 9.25 ZF for example.
@jaredlancaster4137
@jaredlancaster4137 Ай бұрын
205° to 192°. Thats a real and measurable decrease in temperature, but is it actually important or beneficial? I kind of expected a bigger difference than 13° over the stock cover. It wasn't overheating before, and it's still not overheating now, but 192° is still hot. Am I missing something?
@JoshJones-nu2kd
@JoshJones-nu2kd Ай бұрын
Sales gimmick. If you can solve a problem that doesn’t exist stupid people will buy the solution with enough marketing….
@ivanvarela3215
@ivanvarela3215 Ай бұрын
Every 10 degrees or so has a drastically different effect on oil oxidation. 13 degrees less will make the oil last much longer
@Jessersadler
@Jessersadler Ай бұрын
@ivanvarela3215 it's 6 degrees from the only cover that doesn't have any windage mitigation. Almost double the oil will allow longer oil duration than the miniscule temperature drop. 3.5% temperature drop VS. 87% more oil. . .
@parkerw.2155
@parkerw.2155 Ай бұрын
I don’t trust these guys anyway because they are trying to sell something
@ivanvarela3215
@ivanvarela3215 Ай бұрын
@@parkerw.2155 Gale Banks has been doing diesels for many decades, bud. His reputation is very high with us.
@lazzycruser
@lazzycruser 18 күн бұрын
Convection of heat to air can remove a mass of heat especially if channeled correctly.
@oldsalt8011
@oldsalt8011 Ай бұрын
When I was young all that I could afford were the Go Fast Stickers like STP, Highjacker Shocks, ACCEL, Crager Rims, Holly, Hurst....etc.
@thatairplaneguy
@thatairplaneguy Ай бұрын
You literally proved more oil DOES reduce heat. Plug your cooling holes and compare it again. THEN you’ll prove your point.
@Cloud30000
@Cloud30000 2 күн бұрын
More lubricant is like a bigger funnel cone, while better cooling is like a bigger funnel hole. Sure, a bigger cone will take longer to fill, but it takes just as long to drain and once the cone is full, it overflows; with a bigger hole, the funnel drains faster no matter how much you fill it and thus prevents it from getting full and needing a bigger cone.
@mahatmagandhiful
@mahatmagandhiful Ай бұрын
Edit: not oil pan, not engine oil. Differential cover and fluid, my fault. Hi. Channel stranger here, brought by the algorithm. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this: - this is advertising your aftermarket oil pan (third on the list)? - the OEM pan is essentially just a tub. Filled with a stock amount of oil (4 quarts), that oil reaches a temp of ~205 due to the limited surface area allowing minimal air cooling. - the competitor's pan probably takes the shape of a larger tub, and reaches ~200 degrees by way of increasing the amount of oil from 4 to 7 quarts (ie it heats up slower) - the advertised pan is probably deeply grooved to maximize surface area, allowing for better air cooling. It manages to achieve even lower oil temps while maintaining a stock quantity of oil because of this more efficient heatsink design. Yay/nay?
@Bertinator-nm9ld
@Bertinator-nm9ld Ай бұрын
That all checks out based on my understanding of differentials, but it leaves a major question... Why should we care? Based on a quick Google search, the normal operating temperature range, for a differential, is from 170°F to 250°F. After their heavy use test, even the OEM differential cover only has the oil reach 205°F. Why would you need any aftermarket differential, if you're not having overheating problems?
@mahatmagandhiful
@mahatmagandhiful 27 күн бұрын
@@Bertinator-nm9ld Good point. I imagine it must be like how computer people will strap big honking water cooling loops onto their CPUs/GPUs even if they're running a mid-tier system whose most strenuous task will ever be playing a KZbin video. Some people see big number go down is better.
@iamdaerogami
@iamdaerogami 20 күн бұрын
@@mahatmagandhiful I think another major point that is being overlooked is heat capacity. Cooling is fine and all, but less oil means wider temperature swings because there is less mass to sink that heat into. Heat cycling is a metric of wear and long term its completely possible the stock diff pan is better than either aftermarket option because it heats up and cools down slower.
@Cosmotopalien
@Cosmotopalien Ай бұрын
That's very impressive! Hopefully buy soon.
@jackmehoffer7819
@jackmehoffer7819 3 күн бұрын
I don’t know I put the banks on my differential at 95,000 miles. I pull a 8000 lb 5th wheel with my 2013 Ford F250 diesel. My rear end started grinding and had to have it rebuilt for $1800.00 at 113,000 miles.
@Paul2.4T
@Paul2.4T Ай бұрын
You just cant beat the best, the best is Mr.Banks and his team, simply
@glowplug4762
@glowplug4762 19 күн бұрын
Because rear differential failure due to overheating or lack of lubrication is such a common failure that it needs to be addressed.
@jasonmurawski5877
@jasonmurawski5877 Ай бұрын
Can you explain why that's necessary? The diffential isn't going to be damaged by 205 degree gear oil. Yeah, it's impressive the aftermarket cover makes that difference but I have never heard of a differential overheating even on a car being raced.
@jaredb8495
@jaredb8495 Ай бұрын
As a pc builder, lower temps is all about how fast you can exchange the heat between mediums used to cool.
@dodgecummins6181
@dodgecummins6181 Ай бұрын
I’ve seen a million mile Cummins with original gears and stock cover that towed horse trailers its whole life. This isn’t solving a problem worth spending 500 dollars on.
@ElationProductions
@ElationProductions 8 күн бұрын
This thing is $500? I'll take that money, change the oil twice as frequently, and still be money ahead in the long run.
@Motor-City-Mike
@Motor-City-Mike Ай бұрын
Airflow management through the liquid to 'air' heat exchanger!
@gavmansworkshop5624
@gavmansworkshop5624 Ай бұрын
Could you make one for a valiant charger? I'm an Aussie, yes 😅, and I've been wanting one of your covers for a few years now. You've done the real testing and your diff cover is best in my opinion.
@Panterluca
@Panterluca Ай бұрын
It’s pretty obvious that if you turn the cover into a heatsink the temps will be lower, if you had to fit an oil cooler and pump to the stock cover the temps will be even lower
@matt2817
@matt2817 Ай бұрын
Same thing with water cooling your PC. The volume of liquid really only determines how long it takes to reach equilibrium. You still have to dissipate that heat from the system.
@RD-io6sm
@RD-io6sm Ай бұрын
More lubricant just means a little bit longer to heat soak. Actual dissipation of that heat matters the most. A higher quality metal and more fin surface area.
@sasha1yr
@sasha1yr Ай бұрын
That’s great! Now make that cover for my F150 ! I have been waiting since before covid hit.
@furyofbongos
@furyofbongos 23 күн бұрын
That 6% grade is the averaged. I drove that section of road many times. There are some quite steep sections, way over 6% grade.
@jenson3810
@jenson3810 25 күн бұрын
You better find an add on to the existing cover. Nobody's going to change that cover.
@scottgarmon4865
@scottgarmon4865 5 күн бұрын
I pulled over 30k lbs many times with a AMM 10.5 Diff All over the country in a 04 Ram 2500 Up hills, down hills, In 120 degree heat and in freezing temperatures. it has 340k miles on it now all factory carrier bearings and ring and pinion. All these aftermarket covers are gimmicks. Just keep the fluid clean and you will not have any issues period.. I use a temp probe in my diff and if it gets over 230 degrees in the summer while putting then i’ll just swap the fluid out when I get home.
@austink4712
@austink4712 Ай бұрын
More oil does equal lower temps. it's the fact that you have active cooling while the other relies on an increase in mass to slow the increase in temperature
@jameshenson4871
@jameshenson4871 21 күн бұрын
I want one of their covers.
@MSM-1989
@MSM-1989 Ай бұрын
Why can't everyone be like Mr. Banks? I like this dude
@cableguy130
@cableguy130 28 күн бұрын
That 12° is something. Copied from google "In general, the rate of oxidation and degradation for most oils and greases doubles for every 18°F above 150°F (or 10°C above 65°C). This is because grease is usually more than 80% oil. "
@user-iv4eq2nt5i
@user-iv4eq2nt5i 9 күн бұрын
And car manufacturers haven't figured this out after building cars for 120 years?
@TTURocketDoc
@TTURocketDoc Ай бұрын
Well im convinced, keeping the stock cover
@itchy-scratchy
@itchy-scratchy Ай бұрын
But no Dana 60 or 70 covers............ Doing resto mods Banks isn't covering us.
@Bobthebuilder.69
@Bobthebuilder.69 16 сағат бұрын
Guys that build differentials for a living will tell you that a 15° difference isn't going to amount to much. Just being realistic.
@Syntheticoilprotection
@Syntheticoilprotection Ай бұрын
We need this!!!!
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 Ай бұрын
Churning grease (as in overpacked wheel bearings) can burn out the seals and blow out the (now melted) grease. Churning oil heats it up. Too much oil in the diff will churn and overheat. The case had to allow oil to move freely with minimal churning or stirring. A better design would have a dry sump, oil pump and remote oil tank. The pump sprays oil into the gears. When parked the oil runs back to the diff ensuring lube from cold starting. After a few hundred yards the oil has been pumped out so it’s the pump feeing it into the gears.
@benjaminlovato283
@benjaminlovato283 24 күн бұрын
The usage of less fluid doesn't prove better performance. Thru multiple tests they found the sweet spot to prove their statements. True science keeps all settings the same with one variable.
@ppatricktt
@ppatricktt Ай бұрын
The thing with having more oil is it takes longer to get the oil hot, but on the flip side it takes longer to cool it back down
@frankthespank
@frankthespank Ай бұрын
Yeah but you don’t make one for my Prius and I really don’t appreciate your employees jeering laughter when I called and asked for one! 😡
@shanemitchell477
@shanemitchell477 Ай бұрын
I just put 2 80mm 5000 rpm computer fans on my diff, and it lowered it by 30F, once again proving ram air lowers temps and gives you more horsepower.
@sergiomissaglia6380
@sergiomissaglia6380 10 күн бұрын
Add a fan and it's gonna be crazy cold
@charlesdahmital8095
@charlesdahmital8095 Ай бұрын
All within operating range of the proper lubricant and bearings.
@grantdubridge7995
@grantdubridge7995 Ай бұрын
Wow, ten degrees difference! So what. None of those temperatures are excessive.
@poellot
@poellot Ай бұрын
I can tell you from driving a truck with axle temp gauges, loaded or empty makes very little difference. Speed makes a massive difference. I can run at 80mph empty flat ground and see 170, maybe 180 loaded. I can run 55 and see less than 150 loaded in hills. It actually surprises me that the load changes the temps very little.
@existinginaspace8347
@existinginaspace8347 Ай бұрын
Wonder if this would help in my van... I'd have to do some research first.
@smmsak15
@smmsak15 Ай бұрын
Make this for dt ecodiesel!
@anthonysmith4072
@anthonysmith4072 Ай бұрын
This man needs to live as long as possible
@MyKonaRC
@MyKonaRC Ай бұрын
What is the claim? All that is shown is "our cover is cooler" No information on the flat back claim.
@scottfields9214
@scottfields9214 Ай бұрын
Seems to me more oil also ran cooler than stock. Both statements are valid.
@BuildingByFaith
@BuildingByFaith Ай бұрын
I would also be interested in knowing which one had the lower losses.
@JohnD-JohnD
@JohnD-JohnD Ай бұрын
That doesn't look like 2X the cooling power since the chart doesn't start at zero.
@piedpiper1172
@piedpiper1172 Ай бұрын
205 - 199 = 6 degrees cooler 205 - 192.5 = 12.5 degrees cooler 6 x 2 = 12. 12.5 degrees is approximately twice the cooling power relative to stock of the competitor…. It doesn’t have to start at zero as long as it is a consistent, labeled scale with clear units. Which this is.
@JohnD-JohnD
@JohnD-JohnD Ай бұрын
@@piedpiper1172 Well, I guess that's one way to look at it. Still don't see the need for this since the oil in the diff can typically handle temps up to 300+. I don't see a few degrees making a single bit of a difference.
@piedpiper1172
@piedpiper1172 Ай бұрын
@@JohnD-JohnD And that’s fair! I was merely pointing out that the specific critique-that it didn’t show 2x cooling power because it didn’t start at zero-wasn’t valid. I could have also critiqued the claim that it needs to start at zero. If anything, it would start at ambient temperature, since the oil isn’t starting at zero degrees, it’s starting at ambient before the truck is turned on and begins to move. In terms of “does it matter” one would want to look up the viscosity vs temperature chart for the oil, and then compare the viscosity at 202, 195, and 192 to an expected wear/hour chart for the materials in the differential. 12 degrees-about 6% of 202-could well place the oil in a lower temperature band and improve the lubrication performance, but that would need to be checked. All of that, however, is secondary to my goal of merely highlighting that the information does, strictly speaking, show an appropriate and consistent scale that reflects “approximately double the cooling power than a competitor product relative to the OEM part.”
@2-old-Forthischet
@2-old-Forthischet Ай бұрын
In all my years of driving and towing (I'm an old fart) I never once thought to check temperatures of the differential. I do however, have a finned deep aluminum transmission sump with additional external cooler and temperature gauge on my small block Chevy V8.
@jake6483
@jake6483 Ай бұрын
I wish they made this diff cover for the ford 8.8. There are hundreds of thousands of them on the road, And I know I'd love to keep that baby cool
@manitoublack
@manitoublack Ай бұрын
So even from your torture test, the oem solution was able to keep the oil to 96°C, well within the lubricants operating temp... So... Its a wonder GM and other OEMs aren't receiving warranty claims about their diff covers overheating fluid...😅
@josenoyola9851
@josenoyola9851 Ай бұрын
I want to see what’s it’s like on the north side of the grapevine going from 400ft to 4410 on a 115* day
@nodak81
@nodak81 13 күн бұрын
I'm sure a whopping 12.5 degrees will totally help the diff to last a million miles longer.
@x4tfxChallenger
@x4tfxChallenger 5 күн бұрын
Amazing!
@heathot877
@heathot877 Ай бұрын
lower temp brings zero advantage cuz oil burn at much higher temp , below 200° can reduce effectiveness of oil because it become less thick and thus less protective
@42468
@42468 Ай бұрын
colder oil is more viscous
@kennethpowers8995
@kennethpowers8995 Ай бұрын
Just like in anything else related to an engine the key is heat dissipation but further you want heat dissipation to the ambient environment. Having higher fluid volume by itself is just prolongs the inevitable and while adding any form of heat sink is a step in the right direction, if you’re going to do it you might as well do it right and put in the R&D time like Banks to end up with a high quality product.
@coachnutt61
@coachnutt61 Ай бұрын
More oil does nothing without a larger surface area to radiate the heat away. All more oil does is rob you of power!
@trw8777
@trw8777 26 күн бұрын
Great results but I'm never a fan of deceptive charts. Makes it look like there is a huge difference when that's not the case.
@jbtOO7
@jbtOO7 Ай бұрын
So I do my homework,I am a fan and believe in your efforts.You have what it takes that I am surprised your not doing a conversions to cars and trucks like Hennessy or Lingenfelter or Carroll Shelby or Reeves Callaway.With that said I would like a cooler set up made.130 degrees Fahrenheit is the goal running temps 190 degrees is still to hot in my efforts and understanding.I realize your differential cover works and will always be my direct go to for a differential cover but my efforts are on target I feel are the temperatures that needed to be maintained even for a much more of luxury comfortable and enjoyable ride.I would like to say that it is your efforts that moved me towards cooler temperatures and so I feel your efforts are just as spot on and will always promote your differential covers. I got an idea though I am not the 1st person to nail it.Hydrogen is the future batteries are temporary Gale Banks that's my tip for you and your shop for future generations to come.
@mazdaman1286
@mazdaman1286 21 күн бұрын
8-9 °f difference ..... I would rather go with the large oil capacity standard cover , and regular oil changes.
@ryaj2356
@ryaj2356 Ай бұрын
Air cooling is a real thing. Having a scoop available to draw up air will result in this cooling the metal cover more effectively.
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