Buying a Client’s FULL £200k+ Rolex Collection - 19 Watches In One DEAL!!

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The Honest Watch Dealer

The Honest Watch Dealer

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@spencerdavies5661
@spencerdavies5661 19 сағат бұрын
Great to see Josh got the Milgauss. Plus with the white dial it is a bit of a unicorn 🦄 for sure. Won’t see many of those. Well done Josh enjoy !
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching Spencer! Such a unicorn indeed, yes we don’t see many! Other than this one everyday now 😆
@edwoodsnowden
@edwoodsnowden 14 сағат бұрын
Josh will be get a Lambo next as well ;)
@SomeoneSmarter
@SomeoneSmarter 19 сағат бұрын
I'm reluctant to post, but scenarios like this are why I would never buy a Rolex unless it's from the AD. Many super-clones will not be distinguishable from legit until you take the case back off and look for the free sprung balance. Even with a loupe, the finishing on the face/hands/case on the £500 super-clones is perfect. Even if just one of those is a clone gets through, someone gets fleeced £15k or the dealer looses all profit in the deal. No one would know until 5 years later and they send the watch to Rolex for a service. I guess there are a load more checks happening off camera?
@merlin3229
@merlin3229 19 сағат бұрын
If it’s genuinely indistinguishable it doesn’t actually matter if it’s a clone.
@mccobr
@mccobr 19 сағат бұрын
I very much doubt it. As with most grey dealers they do not have a watchmaker verifying these watches. Just a loupe and a check with the watch register. EBay offer a verification service for free.
@mccobr
@mccobr 19 сағат бұрын
@@merlin3229until you try to sell it and it’s verified that fake. Then it’s worth the scrap price of Chinese steel. Which isn’t very much.
@ForeverBrooklynNYC
@ForeverBrooklynNYC 18 сағат бұрын
@@merlin3229 so you won't mind paying the full market price of a genuine Rolex and receiving a super clone instead?
@paulwilshire401
@paulwilshire401 18 сағат бұрын
They're are always tells if you truly know your stuff
@Keffin1
@Keffin1 19 сағат бұрын
Congrats on the new watch Josh! Well deserved. Enjoy it my man!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching mate, yes he loves it - stunning watch! 🙏
@timdeakin2524
@timdeakin2524 19 сағат бұрын
Josh has clearly got great taste in watches 👍👍👍
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
He sure does! Thanks for watching Tim really appreciate it! 🙏
@mccobr
@mccobr 18 сағат бұрын
eBay is now free for private sellers in the U.K. so no selling fees. If you’ve got a watch to sell, do it there; they verify it’s genuine for free through their authentication service and you keep the 20% grey dealer margin.
@virtualcircuit
@virtualcircuit 15 сағат бұрын
I've got a black dial milgauss, MOP daytona, meteorite gmt, and a load of other old gmts, datejusts and daydate etc I've accumulated over the years and I still think the milgauss has the nicest rolex dial. It's just retro, practical and cool tool watch, and I will extend that to all smooth bezel models such as the datejusts which I personally think are massively underrated.
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
It’s such a stunning combination isn’t it, that dial is so unique! Such a great timepiece 👌🏻
@edwoodsnowden
@edwoodsnowden 14 сағат бұрын
Plain to see you guys are clear cut and honest, and a watch is either pre worn or brand new, like you say no grey areas, really is that simple. That is probably why when I buy my first Rolex, ill be ordering from you guys.
@edwoodsnowden
@edwoodsnowden 14 сағат бұрын
Reputation and standards are EVERYTHING in business, especially the Luxury Watch business.
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words mate, I really appreciate it! Whenever you’re ready to make that all important purchase, please contact the team, we’d be more than happy to help 🙌🏻💯
@InsanelyGhostly
@InsanelyGhostly 10 сағат бұрын
Every video that Charlie does is a free Master Class on how to run a business, being a Gentleman, a Manager, a Leader and a good Human Being.
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
Wow mate, thanks so much for the kind words, I really appreciate it 🙌🏻
@j.m.4444
@j.m.4444 2 сағат бұрын
The white Milgauss was a hidden gem and one of the most beautiful and rare RLX. I will collect mine (NOS) on Friday. Greetings from Germany.
@imranhasan2346
@imranhasan2346 16 сағат бұрын
Super happy for Josh! Well earned and well deserved. The smile on Josh's face is priceless. Congrats again!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
That’s so nice of you to say, mate! I’m so happy for him, he’s got himself such a unique timepiece 🙌🏻💯
@city1962
@city1962 17 сағат бұрын
Wow, Hoarding 19 Rolex then selling as the market reaches a new low.
@benburrows442
@benburrows442 17 сағат бұрын
Huge congratulations Josh...what a killer watch!!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching Ben, yes well deserved, a stunning watch isn’t it! 👌🏻
@SirAMG63
@SirAMG63 13 сағат бұрын
Love your Urus Charlie!
@sinatra187
@sinatra187 18 сағат бұрын
Congrats on the watch Josh 🎉
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
He’s secured himself such a stunning timepiece hasn’t he 🙌🏻
@weezkidtube
@weezkidtube 13 сағат бұрын
Enjoyed this video, that's a lot of Rollies on stickers. And very happy for Josh to see him get his dream piece. Congrats!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
Thanks so much for the support mate, really happy to hear you’re enjoying the content! 🙌🏻💯
@paullewis266
@paullewis266 19 сағат бұрын
That’s a big collection and some nice watches amongst them to , interesting video Charlie thank you mate .
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching once again Paul, hope you are well!
@Greggieboy76
@Greggieboy76 19 сағат бұрын
Lovely bit of business there. Congrats on the Milgaus Josh, it's a beaut!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks Mate hope you’re well! Stunning watch isn’t it! 👌🏻
@grahamelgie9281
@grahamelgie9281 18 сағат бұрын
AD only for me .....grey market is dodgy looking at this video. Nice Lambo 🙂 margins must be good mate !
@jh6273
@jh6273 18 сағат бұрын
Graham issue is you are going to wait longer as you know. If you go to a decent Grey market dealer you can pick up clean watches and as you know prices dropping
@grahamelgie9281
@grahamelgie9281 17 сағат бұрын
@@jh6273 totally agree but you have to pay 25% more for anything sub 20k if you are buying to wear then i would just wait for the AD they do come through.....im on my second waiting for the third...all to wear and keep and pass on not to flip
@mappyman8271
@mappyman8271 19 сағат бұрын
Collectors are selling for a reason. They want out. Market is going lower.
@graemekinder9491
@graemekinder9491 15 сағат бұрын
Everyone has pulled liquidity by refinancing property at lower interest rates. That money has dried up now and higher borrowing costs are in place. That crazy period is over.
@a004
@a004 15 сағат бұрын
Right but wait a year and with interest rates low again and liquidity returning to markets, assets will go back up.
@troisk
@troisk 15 сағат бұрын
Prices are going back up on numerous models (BLNR and Daytonas for example), due to the holiday period coming, as is the case every year. Market has really stabilized for the past 6 months when you look at actual charts and selling/buying prices, but hey you believe what you want.
@Anonymouslyme1
@Anonymouslyme1 4 сағат бұрын
Imagine how much money that seller lost! Must be eye watering. Love that white Milgauss, looks great on wrist.
@gaffs82
@gaffs82 4 сағат бұрын
@@Anonymouslyme1depends when he bought them.
@mikelewis2456
@mikelewis2456 19 сағат бұрын
Interesting video Charlie. Congratulations Josh on the purchase of the Milgauss.👍 Charlie does it make much difference not having white tag?My Rolex AD keeps those tags. I don’t want to rock the boat for demanding those tags for future Rolex purchases from my AD.🤔
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks Mike really appreciate that! Yes so here in the U.K. the white tag is supplied from the AD, but it is not in every country. It has the all important dial code on, so for watches with rarer dials it is important!
@markatherton-i7f
@markatherton-i7f 15 сағат бұрын
@@thehonestwatchdealer I bought a sub from a very prestigious AD I noticed when I got home no white tag or swing tag they posted me the swing tag with a note on company paper and signed saying they dint have the white tag and apologied for that, I assume that is prove enough
@simonmorris1626
@simonmorris1626 4 сағат бұрын
Enjoyable video guys, nice collection to acquire. Nice watch for josh to get.
@mikemcevoy6340
@mikemcevoy6340 19 сағат бұрын
I wasn’t even into watches till I caught this channel. What a superb channel,so informative,and interesting and throughly nice guys!. On a side note I just seen a clip of Joe rogan talking about his Rolex watch,every couple of months was about 5 minutes fast,he took it to Rolex and they said that’s the way it’s built and we can’t do anything about it?,surley that’s not correct?
@jdun88.
@jdun88. 19 сағат бұрын
It’s the equivalent of 5 seconds fast per day which is within the normal tolerance. Still very accurate
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks Mike really appreciate that! So pleased you enjoy the videos and welcome to the channel! They do have a time keeping tolerance which is -4 or +6 seconds a day. So this would be within it 👍
@pleun315
@pleun315 19 сағат бұрын
Great video as always, much appreciated ❤❤ hi from Holland
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks mate so glad you liked this one! Appreciate you watching 🙏
@Mark-lj1dj
@Mark-lj1dj 18 сағат бұрын
Congratulations Josh on your first luxury watch 👏 it's a lovely feeling. Beautiful piece
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching Mark! Yes what an achievement! He is over the moon with it 🙌
@matty89ng
@matty89ng 5 сағат бұрын
Congrats on your new watch Josh ! - out of the 4 milgauss 116400/GV I've owned all apart from the white dial - currently have the Z-Blue. Wear in good health enjoy
@AndreaDoesYoga
@AndreaDoesYoga 18 сағат бұрын
Wow, that's a dream Rolex collection! 🤩
@ryankaldesic430
@ryankaldesic430 9 сағат бұрын
Wow, what a collection! Personally I've never been a fan of the white dial Milgauss, HOWEVER, seeing it on Josh's wrist I've got to say it looked really good. I'm sure you looked after him : D
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
The collection was full of such unbelievable timepieces! The Milgauss looks so stunning on Josh doesn’t it, he’s incredibly fortunate isn’t he 🙌🏻💯
@normanwatson9056
@normanwatson9056 19 сағат бұрын
well done selling josh the watch.. keep it in the family. I mean his commitment and not the watch! look after the people and the deals will look after themselves
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks Norman really appreciate that! You are spot on there 👍
@sashirajasekaran3128
@sashirajasekaran3128 17 сағат бұрын
Interesting video. You know what I would loved to see? The prices of the individual pieces. I get that it might not be the best for business, but it sure would have added a whole new perspective to the video.
@abmorose6531
@abmorose6531 7 сағат бұрын
Yeah for Josh 👍👍👍 , Congrats on that beautiful Milgaus
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
He’s incredibly fortunate isn’t it, such a stunning timepiece 👌🏻
@david.9633
@david.9633 19 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the video
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching David, appreciate you tuning in!
@nickpellatt
@nickpellatt 19 сағат бұрын
I always wonder about worn / unworn / used classifications. I have something I bought for inheritance purposes. I wear it on father day, my birthday, son's birthday, Xmas and wedding anniversary day. That creates a wonderful inheritance story, but does it make it used?
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching Nick! Yes so if it has been worn on the wrist even once we would class this as preowned 👍
@davidshaw5979
@davidshaw5979 19 сағат бұрын
Brilliant looking after staff and not profit first, great looking watch well done Josh.
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks David really appreciate that! Absolutely, couldn’t not let him have it! 🙌
@kylaodonnell5016
@kylaodonnell5016 17 сағат бұрын
Another great video. Congratulations on your new watch Josh it really suits you! 👍👍
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching mate really appreciate it! Looks great on him doesn’t it 👌🏻
@elderheartRS
@elderheartRS 6 сағат бұрын
great vid and chuffed for Josh!
@karlsugden4161
@karlsugden4161 19 сағат бұрын
Hi Charlie I hope you & your family & all the team at LWC are all keeping healthy & you are having a lovely weekend . Wow, what a personal watch collection. i am so happy for the owner & happy you had the opportunity to purchase all the 19 watchers you can safely say it was a very successful day out wishing you everyone at LWC the best last month of 2024 2025 will be even healthy & wealthy best wishes
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
All good here Karl, hope you are too! Yes a very successful day for all involved! Thanks for watching and hopefully see you in the Boutique again soon!
@andrewle18
@andrewle18 13 сағат бұрын
Congrats Josh! by far the best one out there. Enjoy it!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
He’s secured such a special timepiece hasn’t he mate, he’s incredibly fortunate 🙌🏻
@Stevie_GMT
@Stevie_GMT 19 сағат бұрын
Nice catch -Josh!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks for watching Steve! Yes he loves it 👌🏻
@willardsibanda2902
@willardsibanda2902 8 сағат бұрын
The white Milgauss is a thing of beaut, love it for Josh
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
Such a stunning timepiece isn’t it, couldn’t be happier for him 🙌🏻
@ZeroRegret16
@ZeroRegret16 15 сағат бұрын
Happy to see that Josh got the Milgauss. Wear it in good health.
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
It’s such a stunning timepiece isn’t it mate, he hasn’t taken it off since purchasing it! That’s what owning a luxury watch is truly all about 🙌🏻💯
@Technoking83
@Technoking83 4 сағат бұрын
May I know where can I buy such similar light and magnifier that is seen in the video?
@CaptainCreampie69
@CaptainCreampie69 17 сағат бұрын
Love seeing full collections being sold! They see the market softening up and want to get out before they lose any more money. I bet in the next 6 months or so you will be able to start getting watches from ADs.
@stevendolphin6752
@stevendolphin6752 18 сағат бұрын
Only recently found the channel, I’ve binge “WATCHed” most of the videos and they’re fantastic! New favourite channel! One day I WILL scrimp and save and take the trip up to get myself a root beer. Thanks for the content
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
Thanks Steven really appreciate that! Welcome to the channel and so pleased to hear you enjoy the content! We look forward to having you in the Boutique one day 👌🏻
@Technoking83
@Technoking83 4 сағат бұрын
May I know where can I buy such similar light and magnifier?
@cookingwithwatches
@cookingwithwatches 15 сағат бұрын
Milgauss what a watch. Congrats Josh! 🤙
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
He’s done really well purchasing such a unique and stunning timepiece hasn’t he! Couldn’t be happier for him 🙌🏻💯
@cookingwithwatches
@cookingwithwatches 3 сағат бұрын
@ I wear a Zblue daily, it’s my favorite watch. How often do you get Milgauss in any color?
@simonoakley1409
@simonoakley1409 19 сағат бұрын
Quickly becoming my favourite channel ❤
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks Simon really appreciate that! So glad you like the content! 🙏
@graemekinder9491
@graemekinder9491 15 сағат бұрын
Pleased for josh getting the milgaus. Nice watch and one you rarely see.
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
It’s a really unique timepiece isn’t it mate, a great addition to any collection 👌🏻
@jondavies4027
@jondavies4027 16 сағат бұрын
Great video boys!, Josh what a great watch you have there 👌👌👌👌
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
He’s purchased a really special timepiece hasn’t he 👌🏻💯
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 Минут бұрын
Just a personal comment/observation. I do not know the collector, but to obtain such a beautiful collection and NOT wear it is a sad part of watch collecting and why prices have been driven up. Obviously this collector is free to do what he wants, but how many other collectors would have bought these watches and worn them to get enjoyment.
@OngoGablogian185
@OngoGablogian185 19 сағат бұрын
That guy's a chancer! Trying to get you to buy watches as unworn when they've been serviced and polished! Too many dodgers out there; I wouldn't trust any without opening up the back.
@RocketDog73
@RocketDog73 18 сағат бұрын
I wonder why many of these grey dealers want an in house watch polisher? Maybe to fluff up the watches into an unworn condition?
@p2ep2e41
@p2ep2e41 9 сағат бұрын
What value decrease you consider a missing white tag on a Batman/Pepsi?
@philipapplebywestdowntradi654
@philipapplebywestdowntradi654 48 минут бұрын
My mum bought my dad a green Milgaus but for some reason he didn't take to it and so chopped it back in for a Sub Bluesy 40mm. It was £6000 and the AD gave him 10% off so £5400 transaction price less the p/ex.
@richarddinning6901
@richarddinning6901 18 сағат бұрын
We'll done josh you're a cherry 🍒 picker 🎉🎉
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
Haha he did good picking up this stunning piece! Thanks for watching mate 🙏
@SauceHot1
@SauceHot1 13 сағат бұрын
What’s up with the hulk ?!? I’m in New Jersey
@steved2008
@steved2008 19 сағат бұрын
Josh wearing watch on the wrong wrist
@davegreen2009
@davegreen2009 19 сағат бұрын
He is probably wearing it like that so it’s easier to film, or he is left handed like I am
@Mark-lj1dj
@Mark-lj1dj 19 сағат бұрын
Any wrist you like 🤷‍♂️
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Haha he is a lefty!
@wifine1951
@wifine1951 19 сағат бұрын
How important is the white tag
@BobbyDazzler888
@BobbyDazzler888 19 сағат бұрын
Some authorized dealers dont give them. However they are good to prove the dial hasn’t been swapped on some models
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Yes so they are supplied by the AD here in the U.K. but not every country, it has the dial code on, so good for those with rare dials 👍
@gaffs82
@gaffs82 4 сағат бұрын
Daddy bought Josh a new watch.
@meenmug5797
@meenmug5797 14 сағат бұрын
Hulk gone already? Interested.
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 6 сағат бұрын
The Hulk is so unbelievably sought after, both sold within 24 hours online 🙌🏻
@redouanelhossaini9869
@redouanelhossaini9869 19 сағат бұрын
All the watches for only 212k??? Wow what is a very good deal for one is a big loss for the other …
@adamdeichert1686
@adamdeichert1686 19 сағат бұрын
Awesome!
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
🙏
@Mrdfastcars
@Mrdfastcars 27 минут бұрын
How much do you reduce the price by if that white swing tag is missing ? lol
@alvansio
@alvansio 14 сағат бұрын
On the next season - Josh trades in for a Sprite because wears like a leftie! So much content to do there from long term review on the wrist to value retention over the next couple months to a year etc.
@Physchemphys
@Physchemphys 16 сағат бұрын
Was the seller willing to reveal how much he lost or gained on the entire collection? I suspect that it was a net loss.
@ForeverBrooklynNYC
@ForeverBrooklynNYC 18 сағат бұрын
The collecter had 19 Rolexes that he NEVER wore? Or am I misunderstanding?
@David-yd6ur
@David-yd6ur 16 сағат бұрын
That's what is meant by unworn.
@misterzero8667
@misterzero8667 15 сағат бұрын
Buy high sell low and don't wear them sounds like fun
@brevobrevo
@brevobrevo 19 сағат бұрын
Cheeky Urus! Well done
@neilbennett7892
@neilbennett7892 19 сағат бұрын
LWC SAY IT AS IS
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 18 сағат бұрын
Thanks Neil! Appreciate you watching! 🙏
@The_Night_Watchman
@The_Night_Watchman 17 сағат бұрын
So the headline is that tbe seller got ripped off.
@Yong_Goh
@Yong_Goh 4 сағат бұрын
unicorn!!!
@warhammerfaction
@warhammerfaction 17 сағат бұрын
This guy drives a urus? Seems pretty crazy. I knew he did well but 250k car well?
@David-yd6ur
@David-yd6ur 16 сағат бұрын
An...
@misterzero8667
@misterzero8667 15 сағат бұрын
It's leased through the business , that's all, cost 3500/4000 a month
@DogScreenTV
@DogScreenTV 15 сағат бұрын
@@misterzero8667you pay a crazy amount of tax if you did that. Only hybrids and electric cars are worth it
@Qubnomil
@Qubnomil 9 сағат бұрын
This is like American Pickers but for watches 😂
@RocketDog73
@RocketDog73 6 сағат бұрын
Why have so many lovely watches if you are not going to wear them? Is it like a grown up and wealthy persons version of collecting football stickers?
@dann5554
@dann5554 6 сағат бұрын
19 modern rolex and didnt wear 1. Nothing but a clout chaser for the gram
@David-yd6ur
@David-yd6ur 16 сағат бұрын
It's not a million percent anything. Grow up.
@stephenbirch5073
@stephenbirch5073 18 сағат бұрын
Great video. Love the content. Keep up the good work 💪
@thehonestwatchdealer
@thehonestwatchdealer 17 сағат бұрын
Thanks Stephen, so glad you enjoyed this one 🙏
@mappyman8271
@mappyman8271 19 сағат бұрын
Do not get to much stock that you are unable to sell…
@jhrodriguez08
@jhrodriguez08 14 сағат бұрын
Stop wearing watches on your right wrist 😤 unless is a lefty
@mappyman8271
@mappyman8271 19 сағат бұрын
Collectors are selling for a reason. They want out. Market is going lower.
@leonk8113
@leonk8113 19 сағат бұрын
Collectors are not selling, only flippers and wannabe watch dealers
@sashirajasekaran3128
@sashirajasekaran3128 17 сағат бұрын
I don't know what to call someone who has almost 19 fully stickered Rolexes but the word 'collector' certainly isn't it.
@David-yd6ur
@David-yd6ur 16 сағат бұрын
@@sashirajasekaran3128 That's precisely what it is. Do you not understand what a collector is?
@sashirajasekaran3128
@sashirajasekaran3128 16 сағат бұрын
@@David-yd6ur Do you? If the aim of a collector is to own a collection for personal use or interest, then why sell?
@David-yd6ur
@David-yd6ur 16 сағат бұрын
@@sashirajasekaran3128 Are you saying that anyone who ever sells a collection of anything wasn't a collector in the first place? You need to rethink.
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