BUYING A NEW 2020 TOW RIG. Go with a 5500 or 3500???

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[@ofmyownaccord]

V-Belt: Look as those tiny brakes and thin frame rails on the 3500 Me: Looks at my 4cyl Colorado and cries

[@Lq32332]

Exactly. My Ram 1500 is suddenly very aware of how thin its frame is and how small its brakes are. 😄

[@williamjonesii7694]

That tiny rail tiny brake 3500 will out pull that 5500 all day long. .

[@robwiljas]

@@williamjonesii7694 For a while, but the 5500 will do it longer. There's a reason they detune them.

[@pentagonlandscaping]

Fun fact about 5500’s, the rear brakes are the same size as the front. The calipers, discs and pads are identical to the fronts. I’ve never had to worry about braking even with weak trailer brakes.

[@matthiasschulz5526]

Pentagon Landscaping I guess just upgrade the brakes on a ram 3500 if you tow a lot

[@pentagonlandscaping]

Matthias Schulz pretty sure you gotta change out the whole rear end to be able to bolt up the calipers.

[@youngmo77]

That figures. That puppy need a lot of strength to hold the horses. Sadly here in France, we don't get the 5500 ... Shame.

[@scottleggejr]

"If *she's* stiff, oh boy, you got a problem!" Like button smashed! 🤣

[@MyTractorGuy]

LOL!

[@rockingkvideos3160]

Well done Arthur and congratulations🇺🇸. Good on you Sam for sharing all your real life experiences, helping the working man and the weekend warriors make a better informed decision. As I have mentioned before, I live on a mountain and drive down the hill frequently, sometimes loaded and other times empty but always with my exhaust brake on, it saves my brakes and adds a controlled deceleration on the down hill corners. It’s priceless, it’s safe and adds a feeling of confidence my other trucks don’t provide. Thanks for sharing Sam 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

[@VBELTandSON]

No problem! And you are exactly correct no bias or bs in what ya said. Get a rig that does the job!✊🏻

[@gregwalter674]

Never understood why they make a truck built to pull and they don't have the gooseneck prep . Its like a $500 option on a 60k plus truck.

[@Tylerscummins]

B&W FTW.

[@keithschauer9640]

My but jjkkkkkkjkkkk

[@wrodney5]

It might have been missed by the person ordering for the dealership. Sometimes there is a parts shortage as well. A commodity report comes out each week. Some options might not be available for a given production week or have limited availability. If you stick in an order for an option with limited availability they might not pick it to be built and they lose allocation for that model, that week.

[@jdtomcza]

I bought a 2007 Dodge 2500 Cummins off the lot and it didnt even have a drop hitch on it. Good opportunity for an upgrade but...

[@jamesgunnyreed]

Not everyone buys 2500, 3500, 4500,5500 to tow with. Sometimes its about payload and weight you may be carrying in the bed, on a flatbed, or in a dump bed, could even be a Service bed with welding equipment, tools, even a small crane.

[@LoneWolf-cf5tp]

Good to see young folks doing well. Congrats Arthur. 👍🏻

[@ScarletKnightmare]

I'm only a few minutes in and this video is extremely helpful. Thank you!

[@laszlovass7326]

Sam, great video, Morgan and I were very excited to see the truck of our dreams purchased by Arthur and put to work at this level. Can't wait for updates on maintenance and repairs etc. If he is worried about the longevity of 3500 being used at max capacity 100% of the time, maybe he can use it for 100k miles and trade it in every 100k before it loses too much value. And model his business plan on that loss equation over the 100k and have the ride comfort he needs. Plus the used buyer market for the 3500 at 100k miles will be larger than the 5500. Plus the nice interior can sell better used. Will be interesting to see what Arthur does over time with it.

[@daveanddianethrowingcautio5707]

We did the Ram 5500 with a Classy Chassis hauler body for our fulltime RV life and have loved it, it's a workhorse. We installed the Kelderman as well which is great as well. Great video.

[@charlesharmon1338]

This channel is killing me. I can’t stop looking for a Cummins RAM to buy. Keep it up!

[@frankt3431]

I’m about to close the deal on a ram 5500 dumptruck! Just need to get the loan. It’ll be my first dodge ever

[@bas4241]

Love your videos man. Real Americana....I got a Laramie 3500 H.O./Aisin CC Dually in July (ordered in April) and it is the bees knees! (subscribed)

[@landscapingspecialist]

I have a ‘18 5500 and a ‘19 3500 HO. Both diesel. Whatever one I happen to be driving that day is the one I swear I like better. Just depends on what your doing with it. I’d go with a 5500. But spec’d exactly how you want. Don’t make any compromises. Love the Aisin shifts too. Nice quick, firm, gear changes out of them.

[@johnrex18]

I have a 2018 2500 Ram Cummins and a 2018 3500 Ram with the HO and Aisin Trans and it's a beast. love it and yes, I use it for Hotshot.

[@michaelmeyers1827]

I currently have a 2017 dodge 3500 with 3.73 gears in the truck. I love the way it pulls my fifth wheel and the Jake brake will stop it all when I let off the pedal at the top of a hill.

[@whoerman8596]

I got 202 3.73 can it haul 5cars

[@cumminschevy5275]

Awesome side by side comparison 💯👌

[@TheTsunamijuan]

For the type of towing you and Arthur both do. I would think the 5500 would be the better option. The further you can stay away from the limits of something on a daily basis. The longer it should last. Or the more forgiving it should be when abused. My next Cummins Ram Will likely be a 5500. While I love my 2500, when it comes down to heavy loads all the time. I would rather have the 5500. Partly too, cause I want to go with a large tilt back/roll back. The ability to put large loads right on the bed and not need a trailer is big for me in some situations.

[@RhinoDoesItAll1991]

Nice video Sam and congrats to Arthur. I am just like him though lol. I was considering a F450 for a tow rig for a large heavy horse trailer and big 5th wheel rv but the fact that the exhaust brake sucks and it essentially has the same tow rating as the Ram 3500 I believe I’ll just stick with Ram. Besides I guess there’s a reason ol farmers like to stick to the Cummins.

[@MonsterTruckingCo.]

If your buying a tow rig and want to be able to insure it on a personal policy, go with either a 3500 or a 4500 with a MAX gvwr of 16k. 16k is the cap for most insurance companies and defines their line between personal and commercial. Anything like a 5500 you CAN NOT add to a personal auto policy and will be required to have commercial insurance.

[@VBELTandSON]

Great point

[@MonsterTruckingCo.]

@@VBELTandSON DO YOUR DO DILIGENCE!! Some states are capped at 15k for personal auto!! Very few states are 16k!! Good news is FORD allows you to buy a 4500 cab and chassis with what they call a gvwr downgrade package that gives you a 15k gvwr. You still end up with a true 450 truck but legally able to insure it on a personal policy

[@VBELTandSON]

I have all of them 3500 4500 5500 party

[@flintcreektransport]

Ram makes a very nice truck. We are happy with ours !!!

[@michaelmactavish1728]

yeah there the monster of power fords are kinda junk material wich cant tow very well

[@nathanlowery1141]

Would never buy a Ford. Worked for the city, brand new gas and diesels broke down fast and constant. Chevy and rams did pretty good

[@haydenuk02]

I would get the 5500 and keep up the great work and thanks for the content stay safe and take care

[@Adamthegreat8]

I highly recommend the factory air bags in the ram makes the ride 10 times better

[@michaelmactavish1728]

my towns ford 150 has struggles in towing a small trailer with a kubota zd1211 on it wich i wished they got a ram

[@stephenbrothers9185]

I think he made the right choice. The 3500 dually's with the aisin have a higher tow rating than most of the 4500/5500 trucks last time I checked, only thing you get is more payload and for hotshot I think he'll be fine with the payload from "just" the 3500. The Cab and Chassis do have the wide track front axle, which is nice, but probably not worth it in his case.

[@TheBfor86]

Kelderman 4-link makes the 5500 like a cloud

[@wrodney5]

I noticed that truck has a Scelzi flatbed. I used to live by their factory.

[@searlearnold2867]

You guys need to come up and buy and outfit your trucks in Canada. US dollars go farther as it's higher value than Canadian dollar. (Running about 30% higher) You see a lot of 5500 Limited trim hotshots up here in Alberta and our outfitters install air suspension systems so you roll like a Class 6,7 or 8 truck.

[@beastsofroyalty2589]

I’m new at this and currently in search of a Ram .... did o hear you say in this video it’s to get one with a Max Tow Package?

[@jacobkelley519]

Thank you video was perfect.

[@frankieross1]

Hello V Belt. I'm Frankie from Argentina, the videos are very good, I watch a lot of them because next year I'm traveling to the USA to form a Hot Shot company. Greetings from here

[@matthew6202]

Me and my bro went and bought a new 2019 ram 3500 HO and a 2020 ram 3500 mega cab HO. I have the 19 and it’s been in the shop 4 times in the first 40k miles, his mega cab engine blew up remote starting in the parking lot at 6,000 miles, took them 2 months to put new engine . 4000 miles later he needed new injector, I’ve been through 4 egr valves already, the module for the traction control and everything has gone bad on both trucks, these trucks are nightmares and i wouldn’t buy one again they will leave you stranded in limp mode pulling hotshot! I had to drive 130 miles in limp mode to make it to the drop and it wouldn’t go over 35-40. Had 0 boost it was ridiculous we spend $70,000 on trucks and they break by 10,000 miles. Good luck I’m going Duramax or just getting a freightliner hauled truck with a 9.0 Cummins.

[@aideningram434]

The duramax is low end power but that cummins is steady pulling at all speeds

[@MrGoldMember]

It is a tough decision because it is not just power and brakes. The truck 3500 with the Max Tow package has the welded frame integrated hitch mounts and the sweet auto leveling airbags. That is why I got mine as a DRW truck Tradesman (18). The 5500 is nice because the D-rated engine will last longer, better turning, and more fuel capacity from the factory with dual tanks. Probably for something that is always going to have weight he probably will like the 5500, power is nice in the standard truck but reliability of having the same cooling capacity and a D-rated engine is better.

[@MrGoldMember]

Also, not sure how Ram is doing it now, but the Max Tow package includes all the hitch receivers and wiring. I would be skeptical of a dealer selling a Max Tow without pockets installed, and again the factory receiver pockets are nicely welded into the frame.

[@justinb7303]

Dam this makes me want a new dually

[@Tyler_Robertson]

Those 2020s are legit!!!

[@johnsailor6081]

What are the highway cruising RPMs on the 5500?

[@gunrightsfan]

Sweet! I traded my 2018 2500 in and pick up a 2019 HO dually. I was blown away how much smoother of a ride my 3500 dually compared to my 2500.

[@whoerman8596]

@jim sjostrom can you haul a 5 cars with yours

[@mikemorse1957]

@@whoerman8596 y#

[@jeepindave5464]

You should test drive one of the new medium duty chevys/international trucks.

[@amolinari9]

Ram doesn’t offer 4.88s standard on their chassis cabs stock I remember them having a weird ratio like 4.44:1 which is still badass and plenty. I couldn’t even fit either in my driveway...that goes to show I’m not living in the right place I know lol.

[@prestonvoight9902]

You should buy the 5500

[@Mvp-AngelOfGod]

*F550 lol

[@kylefitzherbert9381]

@@Mvp-AngelOfGod f550 doesnt do what he wants.

[@happydoggs]

The factory gooseneck bracket looks like a joke compared to the b&w gooseneck bracket for these trucks. I would say stick with the b&w gooseneck. I had my trailer get rear ended pretty hard and my b&w is still perfectly square and no damage.

[@thomasyerbey337]

5500 great video Sam 🇺🇲

[@tomscobra2003]

What’s the difference between 60 and 80 hauling a 5th wheel or gooseneck set up

[@marlonhernandez706]

Getting a 3500 4x4 with aiding transmission and hitch next week

[@boyce1204]

For Hotshot trucking, 5500 all the way!

[@clintkapphan6265]

Have you considered looking at the 4500? I've drove a couple of the 4th gens, they are a happy medium if you ask me. Have the frame, and payload similar to the 5500, but rides more like a 3500

[@alexmalm6406]

So the question is do you sacrifice options for price or price for options

[@BuckInchuteranch1]

My only worry with those Rams is Hot Shot Dave’s threw a rod along with all the other problems he had with his 5500. I remember my 2000 F550 road rough as hell with 7.3L 5spd manual with the 12’ x 8’ contractors bed, until I got 1/2 a unit of plywood on it.

[@rontopping2048]

Never buy first year of new model I agree

[@bentonshirey224]

I have the 5500 Tradesman with Cummins and G-56 (4.10 gears) and pull a 10 ton triple axle equipment trailer and a 42 foot Sundowner horse trailer. I have the Moritz steel hauler bed with a 90 gallon auxiliary tank with fueling station and it rides like a covered wagon empty, but is like a Cadillac with 20,000 lb plus on the gooseneck ball. I pull in the mountains, so I much prefer not to be pushed down the mountain, or over the mountain and a 3500 just does not have big enough brakes and driveline components for my use- the wide front axle also gives me a shorter turning radius, which has saved my bacon a time or two.

[@IManOPERATOR]

Hell ya brother 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@steeleexpressllc990]

I'm not certain about the 2020 models but when I researched & bought in 2019, the HO Cummins was not an option for any cab / Chassis models. So I negotiated a killed deal on a '19 Big Horn Cummins HO, 4X4, DRW Crew Cab 4.20 ($53K otd), removed and sold the pickup bed and installed a CM hauler bed and auxiliary fuel tank. IMHO the HO engine was worth the extra steps I made. My 3500 can tow the same weight as the 5500 and I have 400 hp & 1000 ft lbs of torque. Terrific fuel mileage (11mpg empty, 7.5 mpg loaded 30K trailer). Soon after I roll past 100K I'm doing a tune, hoping I can improve the fuel economy. OEM brake pads suck (replaced front @ 40K miles, front & rear @ 80K). My GMC is still running oem pads at over 100K miles.

[@samgrabel8648]

Ram 4500 might be a good comp

[@dederonair]

@3:51 reminded me of mick dundee haha "that sheilas a bloke!"

[@frankiecoleman5466]

Good tire recommendation for a ram 3500 dually for towing?

[@lithaspies1649]

Nice Truck

[@jacobcathcart1473]

Hot shooting ill take the 5500 with 19.5 14ply tires and larger breaks also the motor is detuned so it will last longest.

[@VBELTandSON]

Detuned so less power and more time spent in higher rpms. I wish they would leave that option to the buyer not force detuned engine on us.

[@leonardwalker8700]

I would go with the 5500

[@MrVarmitr]

Bought 3500 deleted factory gooseneck and installed b&w so don’t sweat lack of

[@JoseAguirre-bw5tv]

Congratulations nice dodge

[@jackofall2305]

"If she's stiff, that's a problem" 🤣

[@jasongrinnell1986]

Read your extended warranty. There is a lot of warranties that are void when used for hire.

[@mikestrucks]

Awesome ! what a nice new truck 👍🏻

[@LoneWolf-cf5tp]

mikestrucks I’m going backwards getting older trucks , these young guys are getting new trucks. Lol 🤷‍♂️

[@mikestrucks]

Lone Wolf the same here ! old guy with old trucks...🤷🏻‍♂️

[@VBELTandSON]

How many old trucks have I bought this last year hah

[@mikestrucks]

V-BELT and SON haha well your right ! But at least your still jung 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@LoneWolf-cf5tp]

V-BELT and SON You’re a Super Freak. Lmao 😂

[@timfreeman476]

i wonder why we didnt see the ultimate long hauler that ram built for show was never built

[@boyce1204]

Thats why you get air springs installed, and put a lighter leaf pack in.

[@VBELTandSON]

In what? Multiple trucks in the video.

[@skwlogistics3698]

A cab/chassis 3500 is different than a pickup 3500

[@rontopping2048]

Correct cab & chassis is derated

[@bobkanno6797]

You have to remember that a 45 and 5500 are typically loaded all of the time as work trucks, the 3500 pickup is used by most for p and d work, rare that they are used day in and out fully loaded!!!

[@Dankbar92]

Pretty sure I saw him towing his Fleet Neck in Loomis this morning...

[@laszlovass7326]

Is he keeping the Ford for a backup? How many miles does Arthur do a year? Miles on the Ford? I'm going over to his channel and check it out! Great content.

[@ggagoots]

you ever find that info? id lvoe to know

[@carsonmyers931]

The 5500 Bc it’s gonna have more of a tow capability

[@nathanlowery1141]

Less tow capacity its heavier

[@payloadperformance9706]

That 5500 might be stiff but it’s not worse than my 96 that thing rides like the damn wagons that the Donners used when trying to get over the sierras

[@Harry-zz2oh]

Compare that to a Army 2 1/2 ton! Kidney shakers.

[@Overkill14]

Take half the springs out and put air bags in

[@rafavera6653]

That hoblit in woodland ?

[@greatlakespowerstrokefx4]

The aisin for the 5500 is called a as69rc hd. Does anyone know if the 4500 and 5500 chassis cab got a different rc69 and do you know the differences?

[@phatboizbackyardkustomz9006]

Should have asked the fleet sales guys about the 4500/5500 ambulance package full air ride rear , 2wd or 4wd heavier cooling and electrical.

[@davez2989]

I was really wondering about this... so took a look on Ram site. Seems the package now is just AC and heat ports, and electrical monitoring. No mention of air ride. R4tech used to make system for ambulance, and Kelderman I think is about the only option right now. Been looking at doing a 5500 with kelderman and single rear.

[@gocoastgaurd721]

Most Type 1 (truck frame) ambulances now have liquid springs in the rear instead of airbags. Far more comfortable and reliable.

[@phatboizbackyardkustomz9006]

we have both in our fleet, most that drive them like the air ride the best. The liquid one's make the rear end sway more.

[@gocoastgaurd721]

@@phatboizbackyardkustomz9006 Interesting, we dumped our air rides for the liquid springs and have loved them. Like riding on carpet and took out soooo much roll. They corner like crazy now.

[@MonsterTruckingCo.]

For a full time row rig, getting factory air is a very bad choice. If your hauling an RV occasionally, the factory air is a good option.

[@multi-transportationsystem11]

Agree all the truck needs some weight on them otherwise it’s a roller coaster

[@ZachsAdventures290]

Not if you have air suspension.

[@justinmartin5819]

Bought my last two trucks from hobbit also I’m a customer for life

[@travisevans2549]

Nice video 👍🏻

[@sirkingdra]

Heard of a Lot of guys having serious problems with the 19+ Dodge diesels with the CP4 pump blowing out. Some guys trucks end up in the dealer for months at a time due to it going out pre maturely.

[@VBELTandSON]

Have 3 ppl I know that run them. No problem so far

[@skruface]

@@VBELTandSON Dodge must have noticed something, because they went from the CP4 back to the CP3 for 2021.

[@tomdesantis551]

Air ride and a big fuel tank added it will ride better than the 3500

[@jjbidd1]

Congrats Arthur, nice rig !

[@jakemelgar7591]

Ok question????!!!! I what about the 4500? I’ve been researching it and it seems to have the best of both 3500 and 5500 with a better turn radius than. What are you thoughts and opinion.

[@VBELTandSON]

4500 and 5500 are the same truck with different stickers lol

[@haroldhurst2347]

I have a question. I’m looking at the 5500 for hot. Shoting. Will the banks cold air that fits the 3500 work on the 5500? Also the monster ram intake for the 35500 emissions intact will it work on the 5500?? The air volume it moves is awesome. The testing proves it. On the website it says doesn’t fit chassis cab. I don’t get it. Same engine and trucks. Help if you know. Thank you.

[@VBELTandSON]

All the same

[@haroldhurst2347]

Awesome thank you!

[@ghostrider115]

Get the ram 5500 with a cm flatbed

[@hildablanco1591]

It needs floating leaf springs and a two speed rear end on the 5500

[@VBELTandSON]

I feel like two speed rear is a thing of the past. 6 speed trans does an awesome job

[@commoncents456]

Never heard of a 2 spd rear end on a newer ram??

[@weshawkins7165]

I’ve been told that a truck with a flatbed has to stop at the scales on the interstates. Have you had that issue?

[@chrisloehr6641]

I suppose rules vary from state to state, but having to stop at scales depends on if your vehicle is plated/insured as a commercial vehicle regardless of how the vehicle is outfitted/configured.

[@mrmotofy]

Damn those prices are getting out control

[@ericrobison8591]

I was just sitting here wondering how someone could pay $80K for a work truck. I make good money and I'm clenching my butthole about spending ~$35K. Lol.

[@kyboy5]

Step up your "hustle" game G

[@danieldumford3249]

Oh one more big thing 5500 has to have commercial insurance

[@eldridge201]

I'm not a Dodge hater by any means and you can go and read in the various Facebook groups and online forums to confirm my comments but the new Rams are having a ton of problems. Exhaust brake limitations aside, the Ford id better in every other category if we are comparing 2020 trucks. More power, better transmissions, smoother ride, better fuel mileage, and on and on. The Fords just have bad exhaust brakes. Oh well. So you have to apply the brakes a few more times goijg down some steeper hills and pay for a few extra brake jobs. I would take that over the lack of power and worse fuel mileage. The small amount of money you would have to spend on a few more brake jobs is worth it to have the other luxuries. The newer Dodge trucks are having major major (high cost) repair bills just before and after warranty and they are having a lot of issues with emissions systems and check engine light codes. Not just $500 to $1000 or even $2000. We are talking $4k, $6k, or even $8k and $10k repair bills and more. You have fun with that checkbook trying to pay for the repairs right after 50,000 miles and warranty is over. The proof is with the endless owners complaining abIut these issues and there is plenty of evidence online to back up my comments. Why do you think Dodge just did a huge rebate for $20k off their new trucks? To make way for the new trucks coming out? Hardly. They know they have problems with thier trucks and they have to unload them now.

[@VBELTandSON]

Two words...extended warranty. I am probably one of the few that has driven both 2020 ford and ram with 30k behind the trucks. Ram pulled every hill the same as the ford. As far as engine brakes. It’s not about saving money on brake jobs. It’s about being safe. Reason why engine brakes were invented. Get brake fade once and you will regret your careless attitude about engine brakes. Stay safe

[@chakagillis]

The only thing they have going for them is the cummins engine. Thats the reason people buy them.

[@coastaldavhawthorne5891]

Pick up bed on a F450 has the same GVW as the 350 or 3500 14k.

[@VBELTandSON]

Yup

[@steeleexpressllc990]

FYI, Stealerships usually over inflate tires to prevent flat spotting

[@SystemsPlanet]

Amazing comparison between the 3500 and 5500 . Thanks! $73K for a truck is about $50k too much for a vehicle to get you from point A to B. Hyper-inflation has hit trucks for sure. Buy gold and Bitcoin while you still can.

[@VBELTandSON]

Truck is a work truck. Makes him money. Not an a to b truck. Can’t buy anything new for 20. Maybe a dirt bike or something

[@SystemsPlanet]

@@VBELTandSON yeah, I hope he's making at least double what he paid for that truck over it's life, or it's not worth it. I tripled my investment in Bitcoin and bought a 14 acre farm.

[@VBELTandSON]

No point in going thru your whole life not spoiling yourself every once and awhile. His old truck paid for this one so now he can work in comfort and not get beat up by his old truck day in and out. 🤘🏻

[@ggagoots]

@@SystemsPlanet lmaooo my guy....stop tryna sling bitcoin on a trucker youtube.....from a to b? did you even watch the video? whens the last time you hauled 5 cars from NY to TX driving a bitcoin?.....I'll wait.....

[@matt89447]

Do you still feel the same 15 months later? Boblit is the place? My CA friends are saying they all go to Sonora Dodge and get fleet prices.

[@VBELTandSON]

They won’t call me back now. Idk

[@beargibson3100]

Horsepower is just a few beep boops away.

[@YENKOGT]

I bet the comment section is going to say "go for the 5500"

[@bigbossman5969]

when is ram going to change those out dated tow mirrors all the other truck brands have the tow mirrors that can slide in when u not towing why would u want a mirror sticking out that far when u not towing a trailer

[@trolling4dollars816]

Thank you for bringing a Ford guy away from the dark side.

[@gtr1952]

My only reservation about the Ram is the front suspension. Do they still use the trailing link going backwards? I also wonder if the motor in the 3500 and 5500 is the same short block to start with? There has got to be a reason why they don't use the higher tuned motor in the 5500. Longevity maybe? 200k miles vs 1M miles? I'm due for a new truck next year, just curious. --gary

[@VBELTandSON]

Someone was saying detuned for emissions idk

[@bentonshirey224]

V-BELT and SON It’s for longevity and to keep some young punk from hot rodding your company truck.

[@VBELTandSON]

That’s not gonna stop anyone from trying to hot rod a truck

[@Freakingstang]

Cummins tech here.. the 2500/3500 have mopar ecms. Dodge buys the engines from Cummins without warranty through Cummins. That’s solely a mopar deal. The 4500/5500 are considered commercial/medium duty and have Cummins ecm. They are set at Cummins power levels for longer commercial use life no matter what brand of truck it is in. They are the exact same Engine, injectors and turbo. The medium duties have steeper gears for the difference in power and less strain for daily max gvwr use

[@gtr1952]

@@Freakingstang Thanks much for the honest answer! I'm 68, in my younger days I built race car, motorcycle and snowmobile engines. I have a pretty good understanding of engines and this is about what I was thinking. It's hard to get a real answer from a "salesman" though!! Thanks again!! --gary

[@JonBeenHereDoingit1423]

Had a 3500 cab and chassis and they're better because they are heavier than the pickup which gives you more confidence. Bigger frame also. Sold it really stupid

[@VBELTandSON]

Nice I just got a 22 5500 👍🏻

[@davethompson7357]

F-450 rides like a dream

[@cd1168]

Junk

[@kyboy5]

Your momma ride like a dream.

[@michaelwillingham6671]

What ever you buy just be ready for aftertreatment issues.

[@evaristoa-team9819]

What happened to using stick shift like in the old days? Thought all 1 ton trucks were manual transmission. I know in big trucks automatics are crap in the oilfield.

[@VBELTandSON]

Stick shift ended in 2018. New pick up airport are great

[@kyboy5]

@@VBELTandSON You talk like caveman!

[@VBELTandSON]

@@kyboy5 at least I don’t look like one 🪞

[@chancebernhardt4815]

Out here in south Dakota we can get the Laramie Longhorns package with everything in it and on it for 83,000 at fleet price its 62,000 for same truck, I chose the saddle tan/ black interior maximum steel color nice color, but I'm buying 3 trucks right now that's why I get fleet discount along with the business so I'm saving 65,000 buying three at once over here dont deal with Billion ever they are knowen for screwing customers

[@metalman69201]

I live near Sioux Falls and I'm looking to buy a Cummins Ram so where should I look to buy from other than Billion? Thanks!