Buying a New Build Canal Narrowboat - Questions & Answers - Ep. 20

Thinking about buying a new narrowboat? Since we started touring the UK looking for our next narrowboat earlier in 2018, we've seen dozens of new and used boats.
We've also met a good number of boat builders, visited the main brokerages, and regularly scoured the Internet searching for private boat sales. It's been quite an experience!
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[@MrJasperooney]

Some people binge watch Netflix series, we binge watch Foxes Afloat! Glad we have found you as we plan our new life back in the UK after 10 years in Texas!

[@FoxesAfloat]

I hope you're enjoying the series!

[@alycespoto2099]

Shaun has the best laugh! You make me smile every time

[@FoxesAfloat]

Happy to make you smile xx

[@17leeward]

I've just started to watch your vlogs from the beginning during my lunch hours at work. It doesn't matter how bad (I was going to say 'crap') a day I'm having you two just cheer me up. Thanks!!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Awww, sorry you even have to put up with bad days. Booooooo to crap days! 👎🏻

[@tunamaniak]

Saturday morning; Home alone and almost feel like I am sitting on the other side of the dinette having a conversation with you guys. Awesome how you share the whole process.

[@marjoriejohnson6535]

Stress is the reason I am where I am with my health. You are wise and the idea of one's stress is the others is something that most couples need to learn.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Totally agree 💜

[@colinracheljustpootling7468]

You 2 are a right pair of plums. Kept me laughing to the end. Brilliant!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Mmmmm.... plums :-D Thanks Colin x

[@Scorpielle]

Thank you for including the Bloopers at the end, you guys are the Best!! I’ve started watching from the beginning now and you always make me laugh,, and I’m learning so much about narrowboats and canal life! 😁

[@FoxesAfloat]

Nice one. Thank you!

[@suesmith6721]

I love it when I see there’s a vlog from you both to watch. You’re both so lovely, so articulate, honest and funny. Love the bloopers too! Laughed so much! x

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks, Sue :) x

[@pootle2768]

You two are just brilliant! You’re so articulate and honest with your answers and the bloopers are hysterical! 😂 x

[@FoxesAfloat]

Your flattery is making Shaun’s head grow, Mandy! 😂 The bloopers seem to be popular 👍🏻 Thank you for continuing to support us 😘

[@imfrcd]

"The more comfortable & happier I am, the more comfortable & happier my partner is." Perfect. Really has nothing to do about a boat, but everything to do with the person sitting next to you. Fair Winds.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks, Richard! x

[@summerking8659]

Get such a giggle from watching the bloopers, but it really makes me appreciate all the work you both put in to making a video. Well done :-) Nothing like getting a fit of the giggles though, eh?

[@FoxesAfloat]

Haha, yeah, you’ve got to laugh at life 👍🏻😂

[@fredadams4022]

I think it was probably easier the first time as they didn’t know what they didn’t know. When you see tons of boats it’s easy to get overwhelmed. No boat will ever have everything you want. You have to step back and choose what is most important at to you and let the rest go.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Our boat has everything we want 👍

[@darylsarling6908]

I stumbled across your channel very recently and have to say it has been a very interesting watch. Many years ago my Dad done a lot of planning to get a boat built from scratch but unfortunately the plan never came to fruition. So watching your journey, as I say, has been quite interesting. However, the thing that makes your vlog stand out in my opinion is fact that you put so much into your videos. I've watch 20 episodes so far and I feel like we are friends already when we've never even met! Your openness and honesty when making content is refreshing! The absolute best bits though............are the bloopers! You guys have me in stitches at the end of every video and, as someone else commented before, it shows just how much hard work you put into your channel! Bravo Colin & Shaun - I'm looking forward to wading through the rest of your channel 👏🏼

[@FoxesAfloat]

WOW! Awesome comments, thank you so much xx

[@paulstanding7267]

Hi guys great vlog yes loved the tv bracket and where the fire was great information on buying a narrowboat I know these are old vlogs but still very interesting 😀😀👍👍

[@Budnbuf]

To look on as many boats as possible is the best advice. It helps sharpen what you do want and can better acquaints you with the reality of implementation. Good advice.

[@ericafors6039]

I am so happy for you both! Great video! Thx for sharing!😎

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thank you, Erica 👍🏻

[@marianjacobs5597]

I enjoy your posts I always leave feeling happy ... thank you both

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thank you for watching and commenting, Marian 👍🏻

[@SusanLH]

I think it's also being true to yourself. Go for it and see if you can get everything you want, and compromise if you have to. And I'm so glad you've got everything on your "shopping list". :)

[@FoxesAfloat]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@cadencechrome4783]

Thank you two for sharing! I find I am learning about the Narrowboating life from you but also about what a comprising, loving, and healthy relationship looks like. Oh, and leave the bloopers in!!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Cadence, that’s so kind, thank you! Everyone seems to love the bloopers 😂

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

Brilliant Q&A guys, love the blooper reel....

[@grahamdormer2583]

Great vlog as usual guys. I've got all the same decisions to make once the house is sold. Love the bloopers - makes me laugh so much. Love Graham

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks, Graham. Glad you like the bloopers :)

[@PoppysMum2]

Loved it guys. Could have watched for hours! A major benefit of having a brand new boat built is there is no compromise. You specify exactly what you want. And I so agree - you just know when you’ve found your boatbuilder - there is definitely that connection.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks, Catherine! Yeah, the connection is good :) Makes a difference.

[@sionbenjamin4513]

Brilliant Gurus! May need a holiday in the UK just looking at boats! Brilliant and fascinating !!

[@FoxesAfloat]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@marknblastderbyshireminer7000]

Great vlog guys, very diplomatic and good advice for anyone looking to buy their first boat. My journey was very similar to yours, except it took me nearly a year before I found what I was happy with , kind regards Mark and Zac xx

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks, Mark. Hope you're settling in :) x

[@AndyB59]

You two never need to worry about being boring. I was chuckling the whole way through. You have got filthy minds though! Great fun.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thank you, Andy. Always nice to hear that you're enjoying them :)

[@WeaverBird64]

You two make me laugh. Your bloopers are the best bits lol. I'm hoping to buy a boat next year. I'm sure I'll think of plenty of questions to ask you. Great vlog 😄

[@FoxesAfloat]

Awww, thanks! Happy to answer your questions. x

[@raymondparr1]

Thank you.. keep up the good work. 👍🏻

[@FoxesAfloat]

Cheers Ray! We will definitely try 😉

[@andykayll1414]

Amazing Vlog Thank you.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks, Andy 👍🏻

[@TazTaurus]

I’ll say it again- love the bloopers 😂

[@FoxesAfloat]

👍🏻😂

[@magnusoliver6086]

a tip: you can watch movies on Flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching all kinds of movies during the lockdown.

[@ottotobias5870]

@Magnus Oliver yea, I've been watching on flixzone for since december myself :)

[@ivankace3541]

@Magnus Oliver Yea, been watching on flixzone for since november myself :)

[@p52457]

I'm an old farmer (74) in Texas and because of the Virus, I stay in the house too much and surf KZbin. Now, here is my question. The water tank on a narrow boat concerns me. I just saw a video where the owner cleaned rust, corrosion, scale, and crud from the water tank and then coated it. Immediately, I knew I would want a polyethylene tank because I would never want to recoat the water tank that was made of coated raw steel. Please tell me your thoughts. And yes, you guys are quite entertaining. And I love the dog.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Some boats use the skin of the boat to form the water tank and this does rust if not treated properly. A lot of boats (including ours) have a stainless steel tank which will last longer than a polyethylene tank for water use 👍🏻

[@gerardpepinditlachance3748]

You two are nuts! You literally make me lol here in the states!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks Gerard. Glad we can make you smile :) x

[@ronwebb3242]

Fantastic well done the two of you. A couple of questions:- at one stage you wanted to have glass windows over the side hatches but looks like they went overboard!!! Secondly I see that you use lead acid batteries. Wondering why did you chose them over lithium? Cheers Ron

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hi Ron 👋 We're still having the inner glass doors on the hatches, we just wanted to see how practical they would be before we commissioned them. We actually have a set of AGM batteries. Lithium are good but we are waiting to see if Carbon batteries will be a better option for us in a couple of years.

[@robertgeorge8166]

Great vlog thank you both. wife and I are considering an upgrading our narrowboat as we are in process of selling our home and moving onto the cut permanent. I liked the comments regarding cassette toilet in preference to pump out. we currently have a pump out but have been thinking our next boat would be better if we had a cassette toilet. Our reasoning is for the winter stoppage!. if the cut freezes its easier to address cassettes than move boat for pump out as well as the cost saving.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hey Robert!. Yeah, pretty much one of the considerations we had too. We'll have two cassettes (just in case) and then there are​ the cost savings of pumping out. It all adds up to a good chunk of our budget!

[@AntonyShannon]

I loved it when you said 'I nearly said CRAP......and you did????? love your VLOGS

[@FoxesAfloat]

Shaun says "You can't say that!" about 20 times on each vlog :-D x

[@ggreg2258]

I had to go to Google to look up bung and cassette toilet! ! ! Think I understand both. When I was considering a travel trailer, I considered a casette toilet as a viable option. I am enjoying your vids, now in order. You seem like a couple I would like to know!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thank you 🙏

[@vincentapa1376]

Actually the cat analogy was spot on.

[@FoxesAfloat]

👍🏻

[@mbak7801]

My TV at home is on a VESA mount. They are standard. I also have a triple monitor setup for my computer and again all are using VESA mounts so I can pull and twist them to the best viewing angle. I am very surprised you have not seen or used these before.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Never had the use for them x

[@jillrogers965]

Love the Bloopers

[@FoxesAfloat]

Thanks Jill 😂

[@deanyaschempp]

Thought you should know, one of the commercials I watched to see this episode is a recycling company that uses used plastics to make new things. One of the lines in the commercial is, "Make the world better through lubricants."

[@FoxesAfloat]

🤣

[@pocketchange1951]

you two crack me uo,

[@alecvanrossen4941]

Excellent vlogs guys. A question about your boat draft and ballast; 1. What is the total weight of your boat (in a livable state with supplies) with ballast, and without ballast? 2. What type of material have you used for their ballast? 3. Where is your ballast along the hull length of the boat? 4. What is the depth of your boat at the stern and the bow, with installed ballast? Thanks!!!

[@FoxesAfloat]

1. Not sure on the total weight. About 16-17 tons.\ 2. Brick. 3. All along the length. 4. 2ft 2ins

[@kathleenstraube5356]

Hope you liked the flowers...🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂🤣

[@FoxesAfloat]

😂

[@lincreed-nickerson7949]

Good advice, I will only be renting, but gives my partner and I good guidance.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Perfect!

[@leedesigner1977]

I think Shaun had a point, I’m guessing he thinks it was easier last time because it sounds like the process was ...’we just did it’ without a huge amount of thought. As this time, you have both had to work hard in finding what you want. Lots of time and effort. Fun and exciting as it is, it is still time consuming and drawn out. Plus Colin has had quite a lot of anxiety throughout this new process. So I think this time round has been more beneficial to Colin, as he’s been able to discover himself a bit more. Yet again, it’s all good, but as we all know discovering about ourselves is a tough process. I maybe completely wrong, but that’s how I see it 😊

[@FoxesAfloat]

I love how deep you are with these comments, Lee. You're probably right but I'll have to read it another three or four times to let it sink in 😂

[@leedesigner1977]

Yehhhhh I’m sorry about that. Probably should have edited it down lol. Hope you guys are doing great 😊

[@FoxesAfloat]

Yeah, we're good. Cheers 👍🏻

[@stevelocke2804]

Hi guys, really enjoyed watching the journey of Silver Fox. The plumbing vlog was really good on how to fit central heating. I see you went for a Vetus engine, was there a reason for that engine ? are you happy with it ? would you change it ?. Thanks guys. Steve.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hi Steve. There isn't really a better engine, it's just down to personal choice and which suits their needs best. For us, the Vetus engine with batteries and inverter was the best deal/price/spec for our budget. We've had a Vetus before with no issues.

[@declan4373]

Hey @Foxes Afloat, I'm just curious as to what type of accent Collin has? I'm going to take a guess and say Birmingham, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm a 15-year-old living in Australia, I've always wanted to move to the UK and live on a narrowboat ever since I came to the UK for a holiday when I was 10. I have high functioning Aspergers like Collin and get stressed out really easy, that's why I want to live on a narrowboat, away from the stress of life. Thanks, you guys have really inspired me!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hey 👋 My accent is Yorkshire, but it's quite diluted after working in radio and travelling so much. xx

[@declan4373]

@@FoxesAfloat Hello Again, I just took a guess... because of the way you say 'us' it sounded very midlands. I'd love to meet you guys someday!

[@steveroperfilms]

Just playing random catch up. Did you mention going back to Poland to look at boats again? Cheers.

[@FoxesAfloat]

No. Definitely not 😛

[@courtenaybarber2555]

The best/cheapest toilet is the cassette which Shaun always empties. Right. CB

[@FoxesAfloat]

😂

[@naughtystudios]

Watching your Journey AGAIN from the beginning as I’ve caught up now and can’t wait until Friday at 4pm 😂 Question: Does your Water in your Tank Freeze in Winter…. and Is it still safe to drink after being in there for a couple of Weeks or do you have to buy Bottled Water?

[@FoxesAfloat]

It doesn't freeze in the winter and yes it is safe to drink xx

[@magellan0619]

Hi guys! Can I just say that Silver Fox is probably the nicest looking narrow boat I’ve seen, she’s just gorgeous. When you first visited Bickerstaffes yard you spoke at length about the way they don’t build their boats to order as such, they build them and then if you like it you can buy it. How did this work out with your boat?

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hi. Yeah, that's right. Because we're willing to be Guinea Pigs for some new additions to the boat, and because we are broadcasting the build progress on here, they've allowed us to be first in line for Silver Fox. Normally, they build then sell.

[@gregbolitho9775]

i googled some of the boatmakers you mentioned an was surprised that all they made was narrowboats.

[@FoxesAfloat]

But they are narrowboat builders...😳

[@gregbolitho9775]

@@FoxesAfloat just over this way, they sometime have a second line, in the same field, ie, cruisers, so i mentioned it. but keep up the good work.

[@alancroke2543]

Evening chaps I was very interested to listen to the type of loo you decided upon. I'm surprised you hadn't considered the Cinderellaeco Gas Motion incinerating toilet? Alan

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hi Alan 👋🏻 We did consider a Cinderella loo but it was just too expensive, and after checking out a few installed ones just didn’t think it was quite right for us. For now, we’re having a cassette. It’s easier to change once a good composting or Cinderella comes along (and cheap to run) 👍🏻

[@alancroke2543]

Morning fellas I'm interested in the cost aside, ".... it wasn't quite right for us." comment. Linda and I are going down the Cinderella route. Then again, Hunky Dory isn't cost restrictive for us. And we're very fortunate in that respect. And as far as ongoing costs are concerned, I've estimated for Linda and I that the yearly cost including maintenance will be around £365. Importantly, indeed the overriding factor was convenience, pardon the euphemism. Alan & Linda

[@davehollingworth5537]

About Bob’s question on prices (and yes, I chuckled at the placing of the S. Colin!): is the NB market a place where one can ‘haggle’ or negotiate on price. For example, when you say some places with a good reputation clearly add a premium for the name, is it feasible to ask for a bit of a discount, do you think? Loving the blogs and the process of catching up......Thanks! Hollers.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hey, Hollers 👋 That's a really complicated question to answer. There's always a degree of negotiation, but more so in the used market than on new boats. With a bespoke order, or an off-the-peg new boat the margins are generally pretty slim for the builder so there's not usually much room to haggle with. Saying that, shopping around will give you a better idea on value for money. As long as you research what you're pricing up, you'll have a better idea whether you're getting a good deal or not.

[@davehollingworth5537]

Thank you so much for taking the time and due consideration to answer - it's very useful and much appreciated. When that lottery win comes and i'm ready to buy a narrowboat, ideally bespoke I suppose, all this information will be invaluable. Thanks again.

[@davidwinter2417]

Will your new boat have a flood proof weed hatch like the Tyler Wilson design ? Cheers Dave.

[@FoxesAfloat]

We’ve got a vlog with features of the shell coming next week, David. Watch this space 😉 #NoSpoilers 😂

[@kyliefan7]

These were excellent questions. We eventually want to own a Narrowboat. And we are definitely buying a new build customized Narrowboat. The research so far with the amenities we require the price is going to be in the @$150,000 or more range. One “roadblock” we have come across is we will be using the boat during prime summer cruising, the temperature inside cabin gets quite hot, we want it cool especially during sleeping. We were hoping for some sort of center air conditioning system? We also want a water purifying system from the stainless steel tank to the Kitchen & bathroom faucets. Everyone tells us those two amenities are not possible. What are your thoughts?

[@FoxesAfloat]

They're both possible, but narrowboat design also involves a degree of compromise. You can only generate and store a certain amount of power. How you use it dictates what gadgets you can install 👍🏻

[@markrant1460]

Hi Guys, I am curious about the size of the petrol tank (liters/gallons) and the water tank (liters/gallons) on the Silver Fox. Does the engine have an alternator for charging the batteries as one would have for a car?

[@FoxesAfloat]

Diesel tank was about 110 litres and yes there was an alternator x

[@jimbone9742]

Would you both have chosen a pump out bog if the smell was more like pickle onion monster munch as opposed to beef?

[@FoxesAfloat]

No 😂

[@tombartolomei4398]

From watching the build, Silver Fox has a hull and superstructure built mainly of steel. What other options do you find in new Narrowboats? Wood, fiberglass, aluminum? Any pluses or minuses?

[@FoxesAfloat]

Traditionally, just steel

[@Suho1004]

Once you get the giggles, it's hard to recover.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Absolutely x

[@gthbtn]

I had to laugh at your cheap vs expensive analogy... I have always called Chanel - Canal. Apologies in advance if you end up blooping by saying Canal instead of Chanel, or vice versa! You popped up on my KZbin and I'm watching from the start so I'm guessing it'll be a while before I see it if you do...

[@FoxesAfloat]

haha! Enjoy the adventure!

[@raymondparr1]

hi ya can you tell me what is the Crome thing behind your heads. it looks like a plate rack ...?? is it

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hi Ray. You are right! It is indeed a rack 👍🏻

[@ericafors6039]

ray 1 It's the Grundtal dish drying rack from IKEA sans the white plastic water collector. They don't make it anymore, or more properly, it's not available in the states at IKEA, although there are some floating around eBay and Chinese knock offs available via Amazon.

[@MRIRISHLAD]

Will you continue to work on the boat? If you don't mine me asking what background are you both from? as the videos are very creative!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hey. Yeah, we will be working when we live on our boat. I (Colin) work as a personal trainer and also work in the media. Shaun is a driver :)

[@984francis]

I think choice can get out of hand. For instance I hate walking into a supermarket to confronted by 100 x 7 feet of cereals. I have the US cable network because there are so many channels, also all of the crap and it's hard to find anything worth watching or that won't liquidise my brain. I think the boat choice thing would drive me a little potty. E.G., what kind of potty to have!!

[@FoxesAfloat]

Ha ha! What a brilliant analogy 😂 It’s been an interesting few months separating the opinions from fact but we’re happy with our choice. We also have hundreds of TV channels but usually nothing decent to watch 😂 Thank you for commenting 👍🏻

[@davidminton9937]

Hi Shaun and Colin, when you both decided to sell your house and have a more relaxed lifestyle with less stress, what was your primary objective financially, to be debt free or have spare cash to enable you to live more freely? Will a brand new boat facilitate this? Cheers. ✨

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hi David, Our primary objective was to be debt free. We will still be working, albeit drastically fewer hours, and we'll have slightly less disposable income than we do now, but it will be manageable. Yes, buying the new boat will facilitate this :)

[@cb4636]

Shawn why no glass of wine? Then it may have been because you were not at “home”. Did Otis get a say on the new boat? What would be the major change in the new boat from Silver Fox 1?

[@FoxesAfloat]

No real major changes.

[@cb4636]

I always thought that Silver Fox 1 was a beautiful narrow boat. You did such a wonderful job putting it together it would be hard to improve on it. Cheers

[@stevelaminack1516]

Hope it's not to late to ask a question on this 2 and a half year old blog. How come you didn't get the automated system you liked on your boat? At least I don't think you did, I'm not all the way through your build yet.

[@FoxesAfloat]

Hi Steve. Basically, it was very expensive and didn't really offer value for money. The information is nice to look at on a screen but it didn't offer that much of a benefit to us. The money was better spent on other things 👍🏻

[@nk14zp]

Well said on reducing your stress reduces your partners stress.

[@FoxesAfloat]

💜

[@ruthmichigander]

So everything I am reading about cassette toilets is you have to dump them every 2 days. Sounds like a pain to me. True or not true?

[@FoxesAfloat]

Every two days? Nah, once a week for the two of us.

[@HilltopFarmHomestead]

OMG! I laughed so much. "Waking up with a moist bung!" ROFLMAO! Like what gay guy hasn't!

[@vickyking3408]

so its nearly 2 years on you still both happy about living on a narrow boat?

[@FoxesAfloat]

Absolutely!

[@stuartboyd6340]

Who's job is it to empty the toilet ???

[@FoxesAfloat]

Mostly Shaun's.

[@carolinegreenwell9086]

what's a four letter anglo saxon word ... BUNG

[@FoxesAfloat]

😂