Buying a Revolver: what to look for

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[@mikem2535]

One thing I would add, as I didn’t notice you mention it, is to check for runout in the ejector rod. With the cylinder swung open, spin the cylinder and look for a wobble in the ejector rod, there shouldn’t be any. Wobble here is typically caused by flipping the gun to let momentum forcibly close the cylinder...not a good thing. In the event you have a gun that needs this addressed, Larry Potterfield at Midway USA has a video on how to correct this.

[@RequiemForYourDream940]

Needed this info on why, thanks 🤘🤞🤙💯

[@thefleaflop]

Totally agree... Roll my eyes every time I see someone do this. Creates stress on the pistol and is not faster, epically if the cylinder does not lock in the first try. Good point.

[@2agbh72]

Great instruction. Thanks for giving us your time with straight forward instruction and no long winded yap yap about everything but what we're trying to learn.

[@stevebardfield7391]

The first gun I purchased was a Smith 586 back in the early 80s. Thousands of rounds and a few years later it still passes the tests in your video. Thanks much for sharing your expertise.

[@maxjboy]

My favorite is my grandpa's .38 special Smith and Wesson snub nose revolver

[@superbowlofselfabuse]

This was incredibly informative. Very unpretentious. Coming from someone who has just about no idea on where to start with revolvers, this was very valuable. Thanks!

[@JGray1968]

Don't rely on any single source for this information.

[@drdrake63]

Jim Gray I agree

[@matthewrobinson4323]

Thank you so much for this excellently presented and educational video. My edc for the past 6 years next month is a Smith and Wesson 442 (no lock), and I absolutely love it. My Holy Grail gun is a Smith and Wesson Model 10 Snub Nose.

[@metaldog007]

This is a very informative and educational video. I am very familiar with revolvers but you have shown me a few things I didn't think about when it comes to owning a revolver.

[@lonestardude6283]

Thanks David! I own semi autos as well as "wheel" guns! I use my 5 shot Chiefs Special as my every day carry and truck gun! This information will be used upon my next revolver purchase! Much appreciated!

[@jimmansayagan7681]

Thank you very much, Dave for this very helpful post of yours.

[@TheLoneRanger745]

I resently learn about a forcing cone alignment reem tool sold by "Brownells". It's a kit with all the necessary parts to correct any irregularities of the forcing cone angle. The guy that showed before and after target test results it made a difference. He explains the same thing Your saying about led building up because the bullet isn't going straight through the cone , this also causes a slight wobble affect down the barrel which causes poor groups. There are only two companies I've heard of that through bore the cylinder down the barrel for perfect alignment, one in France, the other is US American Manufacturing company , if I remember correctly. Thanks for sharing your hobby 🤠

[@Britspence381]

Very useful and well presented information on revolvers, thank you.

[@patrikloring7956]

Very informative. I needed this to buy a revolver. There is one thing .003 is three thousandths not hundredths, just a slip of the tongue good info.

[@kirkmarrie8060]

Outstanding presentation! Thank you.

[@j.jackson8083]

Great video! Just what I’ve been looking for! After shooting plastic guns and other semis for almost 40 years now. Recently started falling in love with the older (used) wheel guns. Fortunate enough to have the money to pretty much buy whatever I want, but knowing very little about them mechanically, makes me a prime target to over pay. Very well presented. Thanks again!

[@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965]

If you have all that $$ you SAY you hBe then don't be complaining about over paying... Also watch out for guys like me who will rob you after hearing you brag about having $$ like that

[@Ineeadifferentusernamelol]

@@shanescatsandcannabisfarm2965you wouldn’t rob anything from these guys but the ammo from inside their guns.

[@Ineeadifferentusernamelol]

Me too, I’m Almost 22. Tired of everyone looking at me like im an idiot. I know what im talking about. I’m also not afraid to admit when I don’t. But other people see I dropped my ego and they can’t play games with me and I know that upsets them.

[@faptainamerica9049]

I need a video like this for single action/ gated. This is still very informative. Thank you sir.

[@drdrake63]

Andrew Brown I’m glad to help. I’m sure there’s plenty I left off too.

[@Honu-up3ou]

Thanks Mr. Drake, I'm looking at buying a Ruger Security Six and this has great information.

[@sergeant_t2020]

I have a new S&W 460 XVR with about 100 rounds shot thru it. The cylinder lockup is good. I have shavings, or lead spray, every time I shoot 5 rounds or every full capacity of the cylinder. I never knew about this term before. Thanks Dave.

[@Eddy-gc2vx]

As soon as you dropped the hammer and trigger still pulled back and checked lock up i was impressed. I was taught that some years ago. Your the first one to demo that . Most only ck it un-cocked and then cocked, but dont lower the hammer and cked Gteat demo.

[@gregb6469]

Very useful video! As one who is somewhat new to handguns I found it quite informative.

[@d.t.5290]

Wow, love the videos. My family came from MN. Some very smart people still there.

[@zivendine]

EXCELLENT!! Although I already knew most of what you said. I’m saving your video as a refresher every time I’m on the verge of wheeling and dealing for another S&W revolver. While Backpage was still active I preyed upon the young’uns that inherited dad or grandpa’s S&W that was anxious to trade it away for a plastic fantastic Wonder Nine.

[@RequiemForYourDream940]

G-Locks are still highly reliable lol And they're polymer 😏😎 Still love my chief special 38 though🤘💯

[@edwardzamorski3711]

Thanks your video's on revolvers are great

[@henrygallego9197]

Love my model 19-3 and love his collection

[@tonnywildweasel8138]

Thanks for sharing your information! Appreciate it a lot. Greets from the Netherlands, T.

[@kevinobrien7529]

Thank you for the video you've given me a nice bit of information to digest

[@metaallegretto6562]

Thank You! huge amount of information. I'm going to buy a gun today and you've helped a ton!

[@David-fp7yc]

Great video! The only other thing to check would be removing the grips and checking to see if there’s any rust or pitting under the grips, as these areas are often not cleaned regularly. Thanks for sharing.

[@stitchlilo01]

Very informative, Sir! Thank you.

[@daves5765]

Great video! The more I understand and learn about revolvers, the more I realize that revolvers are not "simpler" or necessarily more reliable than a good auto like a Sig or Glock. With all the internal linkages and required tight alignment of all those moving parts in a revolver makes me feel more comfortable with a semiauto. My Glock has fewer moving parts than a revolver for sure and always has perfect barrel lockup and alignment! I still love my revolvers though.

[@justifiedfan98]

Just found this. Great vid!! this really helps newbies like me!

[@peggynulsen1365]

Accurate, straightforward advice for the novice looking for a good double action used revolver. Good job sir.

[@alejandroespinosa8303]

Very informative thank you .... I finally understand about the canted barrel ... I sent one gun back to smith for that reason ... I don't believe to pay this kind of money for a less than perfect gun.

[@theresathomas7802]

Thank you my husband and I followed perfectly with you. Great information

[@mcintoshpl]

Thank you. Enjoyed it and learned a lot.

[@mcdicky]

Thank you for the education of revolver.

[@texassportsman5880]

My gunsmith has made recommendations in the past on what revolvers are a good buy based on availability of spare parts for a shooter. The last revolver I bought, a 586 4". Over the years someone had shortened trigger rebound spring by cutting loops, the chambers of the cylinder were out of sync with the barrel. He made the necessary repairs. He warned me away from vintage Python if I was looking for a shooter due to lack of spare parts and complexity of re-assembly. Good advise.

[@thegrassisbluer09]

When you check the bore, use a piece of white paper against the back of the frame and it will show the condition of the barrel very clearly.

[@danbuter]

This is a fantastic video! Thanks!

[@jefffawver3389]

Thank you for sharing your information.

[@mikemcmanus7665]

Thank you for showing me what to look for when evaluating a Revolver.

[@kylewood8327]

Great info here...unfortunately trying to buy a revolver, or any type of gun for that matter, is just a ridiculous process in today’s world. Everything is WAY overpriced!

[@harperhellems3648]

Two years ago a S & W .38 Airweight style revolver was $349. Today $547. The ammo? 3X more right now.

[@kylewood8327]

@@harperhellems3648 yep, don’t see any changes coming either, hope you’ve been all stocked up!

[@usrenaem]

It’s called inflation. We had everything cost more: homes, cars, guns, food. The reality is in that we need to learn and earn more and more to keep the same level of comfort. Actually it always was like that.

[@kylewood8327]

@@usrenaem Well, I’m glad you seem to be ok with it! I think it’s gone way overboard.

[@popgfk9989]

@@usrenaemjust be content with what you have

[@bryanbaldwin6979]

Are you the Dave Drake who worked at Rolla Sporting Goods in Missouri back around 1980? If you are you completely redone an 1873 Winchester for me. I am still amazed and proud of the job you did. It still looks amazing and beautiful. Thank you. I knew then you would go far and do well in the gun trade.

[@drdrake63]

Bryan Baldwin not me, but I am from Missouri and I went to school in Rolla

[@noexcuses6727]

Another good reason for end play is errosion of the forcing cone which occurs if there has been a bunch of rounds put through the firearm and the only fix is to replace the forcing cone and that's expensive.

[@vrod1a]

Very helpful and informative for me 👍 I am thinking of buying my first revolver, thanks 🙏

[@jazzman5598]

Superb vid Sir! Thank you!

[@davidchilders9472]

Very Good video! Timeless and accurate advice. Thank you.

[@thejerseyj9422]

Nicely done. Informative and enjoyable.

[@RafaelCosta-oi3be]

Thank you for the information!

[@genelyda1102]

Thank you for the information on the Smith & Wesson revolvers with pin barrels that explains why they are straight extremely accurate. Thank you again.

[@Quality_Guru]

Nicely done. Great info to have.

[@duophone3338]

I have a colt police revolver from 1945 .38 spl with 5 inch barrel well over a hundred years old and still shoots smooth and straight and unexpectedly accurate too...Grandfather's revolver might be old school but that thing still works like the day it was first brought...Alot of barrel marks and holster wear on the outside but rifling and cylinders everything is still in mint condition just needs a polish

[@dondromano6099]

Great information, thank you for sharing!

[@progressivegunowner8066]

Very well done video. A lot of good info. Thinking about getting a revolver.

[@tonyrebel63]

I have 2 Taurus one 38 Special and a 605, 357 magnum. Love how the trigger action is smooth.

[@thefleaflop]

Thanks,.. Really enjoyed the video. Well done sir!!!

[@joser747]

Great video! Thank you for all the info.

[@patrickarmitageWWW]

Thank you for showing me what to look for. I learned a lot.

[@alancodd199]

Goes for me, just developed an interest in this subject and you talk about it very well. Thank you.

[@OutnBacker]

My 'smith looks for a gap of between .003", which is the minimum tolerance to still function with leading building up in the gap, to .006", which is optimal. .008" is getting up there but does not necessarily mean the gun needs help. Most guns will behave just fine regarding lateral flash and shedding out the gap. If you have a revolver that tends to tighten up a bit during the latter periods of a long shooting session, a minimal gap may be the reason as the fouling thickens. A quick bristle brushing will often loosen things right up.

[@juarez6947]

Learned so much that you sir for your knowledge and time much appreciated

[@wethepeople1871]

A very informative video good sir. I really like how you took your time to explain many aspects the of revolver. I didn’t see any Rugers in your collection, and was wondering why. As for revolvers with wear and maybe slight pitting, I personally like leaving them wrapped in a slightly oiled rag/shop towel (the cleaning towel) just to make sure they have a slightly oiled barrier. But overall good sir, a great video. Thank you

[@larkinoo]

Good vid David, informative and presented with the intelligence and maturity that comes from someone who has lived a while on this here planet. I too am a revolver guy. I love shooting them and then taking them home and cleaning them up fresh again, all done with a lot of love. About gun screws........I think everybody that owns any firearm with a screw on it should also own a gunsmith style screwdriver set, PERIOD !!! They are not expensive. For all you nubees out there reading this, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT use your mechanical screw drivers on ANY of your firearms. If you want an explanation why this is so, talk to a knowledgeable gun guy at your favorite gun store. He/she will fill you in.

[@drdrake63]

Doug Prominski That is such an excellent point regarding the screwdrivers. One can get a set of gun smithing screwdrivers with hollow ground tips for a lot less than the value you will erode from your fire arm when you booger up a screw.

[@bradleyburdett5361]

That goes for fine watches as well

[@MClark-bv9tn]

@@drdrake63 you say hollow tips, seems weak so not getting the image. What makes them better for the application?? Picture maybe in use if you have an opportunity to. Thanks for your well played out videos they are some of the best out there. Maybe they break before jumping and ruining or scratching/ gouging your firearm??

[@randallthornburg8448]

Rather informative video, a few technical inaccuracies, but overall well done. The measurement reading errors were previously pointed out, a couple nomenclature errors, that “click” you sometimes feel when shooting double action is always there, you just don’t always notice it (that’s the cylinder bolt “falling” into its locking slot on the cylinder, it’s ALWAYS there). “Stacking”is the term given to describe how smoothly & evenly the spring tension increases (mainly on the hammer spring) as you pull the trigger in double action (it’s a term commonly referenced in archery when describing how “smoothly” a traditional bows can be drawn) Good info 👍

[@BertieW0oster]

I'm OCD when it comes to having perfect screw heads on my guns, I don't want to be "Bubba" Lol. What's funny is my brand new S&W revolver actually came straight from the S&W factory with chewed up screws! I know it was new because the SN# manufacture date was just 2 weeks old from my date of purchase, and I bought it straight from a reputable gun dealer. Anyway I got brand new side plate screws from S&W and put them in MYSELF, using the correct drivers. Now it's perfect!

[@stinger4583]

Thanks. I'm in the process of obtaining a S&W 25-5, 45 colt 4". I will apply your inspection rules to it when I have it in hand.

[@garyK.45ACP]

It's your gun, do as you wish. That said...Colt Trooper MKIII, yes you can get parts for them from places like Numrich. The MKIII action was designed to be safe to dry fire. It has a transfer bar and the hammer face falls directly on the solid frame. The transfer bar imparts the hammer energy to the frame mounted, spring loaded firing pin. The MKIII is a hell of a tough and durable revolver, though not as finely tuned as the older (pre-1969) Colt's. I carried one (nickel plated 4") as a police officer from 1973-1988 when our department went to 9mm autoloaders. I still have the gun (we had to buy our own revolvers at that time) and it is working perfectly to this day. It has been dry fired countless times. It cost $154 in 1973. I still have the box and receipt for it. That was a lot of money in 1973. The Python, at that time, was WAY EXPENSIVE...at a retail price of $250!

[@Zaku2077]

Thanks for info. Been getting into S&W revolvers lately.

[@lobowolf9406]

S&W make the best revolver my opinion

[@rosemccoy5436]

Thank you. I am looking for personal protection.

[@iaidagger8278]

Thanks DrDrake very precise information I am great fan of S&W revolvers !!! Greetings form an Argentine S&W revolvers enthusiast !!

[@pauljnolan1000]

I really enjoy all your videos and very much respect your experience and judgement. That said, the difference between 0.004 and, roughly, 0.007 and 0.008 is three and a half one thousandths, not three and a half one hundredths. One nunber is, of course, ten times as large as the other, a difference that an engineer or machinist would probably deem tooooo large. Though not always. Once, decades ago in chemistry class, I showed my answer, "x" x10^27, to the professor, whose answer was "y" x 10^28. He looked at my work and said, "You came within an order of magnitude. That's close enough," and marked it correct. The lesson I took was: all things are relative, including measurements. Good to keep in mind when the Instant Recall doesn't go your team's way.

[@frankdn109]

A useful video, thanks! One suggestion, if you decide to do an update some time... maybe the most important safety check: can you push off the cocked hammer?

[@CF-rx7hx]

Nice video Dave. Enjoyed it.

[@bassmangotdbluz3547]

Great information even if it's a refresher for me and thanks for the George Thorogood & The Delaware Destroyers on your intro bumper. It makes me like your channel even more.

[@seandonovan4186]

That's "You got to lose"

[@bassmangotdbluz3547]

@@seandonovan4186 Written & first recorded by Earl Hooker

[@buddyjackson3148]

VERY well done ! Thank you

[@bikegunexpert6010]

this is very informative..great video

[@deaneliot8230]

Excellent video, thank you for taking the time to educate us with this valuable information.

[@sock979]

Thank you for explaining that I am glad that I finally understand it I actually went to check my 686 well I don't know they can be called at 686 anymore but it was barely any movement judging by the eye so I am glad that you explained that so I could finally check that the $1,200 I have into this thing or at least in that aspect worth it I had a Clark customs 6-in slap-sided barrel and aristocrat side rib put on it do you know what I would do to check that

[@rosskennedy]

Great info, my revolver is S&W model 67-5 38 + special, the lock up is great info on how check.

[@GGlitter72]

these are awesome vids dude....ya really know what ya talkin about...found your channel on the flitz topic. thanks for that and many cheers from germany ...stay safe man during covid 19

[@drdrake63]

GGlitter72 thanks! You as well

[@tonyrebel63]

Excellent video without all the gobly goop that I dont need to hear, Keep up the good work.

[@richrudley2650]

I have a 28-2 from 1966. And would never part with it.

[@dadurweird]

I check for lock-up, on each cylinder, by inserting a range rod down the barrel, checking each cylinder. The most accurate means of checking for timing and lock-up.

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

The new Pythons seam to lock up super tight compared to S&W’s

[@OldManMontgomery]

Good, even excellent point on 'lockup'. Forcing Cone is that section of the barrel, next to the cylinder which is tapered (very slightly) to allow all cylinders to 'line up' with the bore. One can think of the function as a "bullet funnel". Cylinder gap should be obtained from the maker. One doesn't want the front of the cylinder to rub or scrap on the rear of the barrel and must not be so loose to lose velocity and 'spit' either shavings or little particles of burning powder to the side. @ c 20:00, the S&W five shot revolver has not been carried in a holster for any appreciable time. Holster wear occurs on the sides of the muzzle end of the barrel and on the leading edges of the cylinder. The revolver shown has likely been kept in a case or drawer most of it's 'life'. That storage may explain the discoloration on the right frame panel. To a collector, any discoloration is negative. For a shooter, it will not weaken the firearm. But it is a valid bargaining chip. The flawless finish on the 28-2 is likely due to it not being used much. Stored carefully, but it has no signs of being in a holster for any length of time. The screw head pointed out does come from using the wrong screw driver. One notes however, the damage was done removing the screw, not screwing it in too tightly. I must confess I have marred a number of screw heads. I do pretty good work on the insides, and I don't mess up screws any more. In the interest of one's own peace of mind check function and such to see if the inner workings have been damaged. @ 27:00 the Colt pistol has the classic holster wear on the muzzle of the barrel. It comes from the holster rubbing on the inside of the holster when being inserted or drawn. Doesn't hurt functioning, negative to a collector. (Not disqualifying, but a demerit.) The finish on the 28 is 'blueing'. It is a matte or dull finish, but it's the same chemical process as on the Colt. The only difference is the Colt Trooper is finished better externally. They will both loose finish for the same reasons. However, mechanically the 28 (being a Smith&Wesson) is designed and built (in those days) much better for use. Finishes were rather limited. Alterations: Since I shoot double action only, I tend to remove the spur - cocking piece - on the hammer. If that to you is an alien concept, pass on it. Once I found a large frame S&W revolver in .45 ACP caliber. The original owner cut the barrel off and remounted the front sight. I find the trigger delightful and suspect a proper mechanic did some smoothing. A collector would have passed as the revolver was altered. It is in the other room as it suits me just fine. If one understands, finds the alteration acceptable and suits the mission for the arm, go for it.

[@jimsmith2470]

Great video I never get to much info on revolvers

[@knuckles6044]

Excellent video! Very informative.

[@1969CampEvans]

MR. 357 I HEAR YA!!!!! ENJOYED THE VID!!!!!!!!!!!

[@robertwilliams1254]

I have S&W revolvers as much as 60 yrs old. 2 are Nickel finish... finish is real good, so not abused. I have a 5 shot stainless Mod 60 on my hip now.

[@blusky7072]

Points to consider as well, not covered: a hairline crack on the forcing cone hidden by carbon deposits as a result of overloaded ammo with higher than SAAMI specs and fixed by a new barrel. Also, a failed hammer push off test indicating the sear surfaces on the hammer and or trigger that have excessive wear which allows the hammer to fall without the trigger being pulled. This is a MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE. The fix is to have the surfaces professionally restored on the appropriate fixture (not a hand file with a vise) if there is enough metal allowing for this, or to buy a new hammer/trigger or both from the factory.

[@RollYourRock]

👍👍

[@TobaccoRowe1960]

Two things I like about my Taurus Model 65 It has a wound spring so the trigger is perfect The Cylinder does not rely on the shell ejector to lock in place ! You can't check the lock up on a Taurus like that, although if you did you would find it tight. To teast my lock up I pull the trigger all the way back and release it slowly, the point of lock up should be just before the hammer hits the firing pin. It's kind of a no brain'r you know.

[@johnmunroe8812]

Thanks good info. to have.

[@normanmallory2055]

Looking up S&W history and why certain perks were done to the revolver it became an interesting adventure .. I own a model 17 K-masterpiece that i have owned for years and it has the pinned barrel .. I also own a model 19 which has a pinned barrel also.. Added Cost was the biggest thing and the shooting public complained about $4.00 for this , and $3.50 for that task and so forth ( which is why the triple lock became a hard sell )..My old model 28 has a counter bored cylinder and pinned barrel , so it's more machine steps and takes longer to finish the gun.. I have myself and others have had it happen to them, some makes of brass even though it falls into SAMMI spec's won't fit the counter bore and drop in the cylinder all the way..I have also found this true with Feedom Arms revolvers too and more so kind of picky in my book, while at the range one day i had a box of Federal loaded brass and almost none would drop in the cylinder So i switched brass to loads i had using Starline brass and they all dropped in..The other thing i read was complaints from owners about this problem, S&W said the counter bored area must be clean of all deposits at all times , difficult cylinder rotation at times because one or two cases was thicker on rim measurement... That and the deposit built up on the face of the frame made cylinder rotation hard at times too..I've shot with fellows who would after a box of 50 rounds , open the cylinder and wipe off the face of the frame and was good to go once more ..so there were drawbacks with that ..Who would have known that these features all these years later those guns would command the price they get for them.. a triple lock 5 screw , last time i looked at prices oh ya i would have to take my banker along with me to buy one...

[@jazzman5598]

😂

[@fabyanserrano00]

The fact i barely understand what the fuck you're talking about makes me more interested in learning.

[@normanmallory2055]

@@fabyanserrano00 There are several excellent history books on S&W history ! Standard catalog of Smith & Wesson is excellent! Also Roy Jinks has authored several books , all excellent history ! The excellent Blue Book of Gun Values is a must to have also !

[@rhinegun3482]

well done and thanks

[@pekolucky]

Very nice video! Thanks.

[@zdub8438]

Just found a taurus 856 for $140. Teeny tiny bit of play in 2 chambers. The rest are Rock solid. I'm stoked.

[@fredbrooks796]

Nice work, makes me want to break out a few.!!

[@russelder9743]

David-------this was excellent, I really learned a lot, some things to look at...........my wife gave me the green light for a new 357................probably going with your 586...........have a nice night brother

[@drdrake63]

russ elder love the 586. I know you’ll love it too.

[@budm.1450]

Your wife gave you the go ahead?? Seriously??

[@stephenbrown6763]

I don't ask my wife permission for anything. In fact I used to get mad about her wasting money, now if she does I just buy another firearm. So if she wastes money I win, if she doesn't, I still win. She wanted a camper (I hate camping), I just got a huge grin on my face. We do not own a camper...😉

[@scottzappa9314]

@@stephenbrown6763 uh yeah. Way to save that money chief, that'll show her! Does she ask YOUR permission for anything? LOL.

[@stephenbrown6763]

@@scottzappa9314 We save money, could save more though.

[@JAFO.]

Which roast have you liked from Black Rifle? - I'm planning to try some.

[@wbwills2]

Nailed it.

[@smittysmith2043]

I LOVE MY SMITH AND WESSON 60-15 WITH 3 INCH BARREL

[@warrenksanbornjr.6643]

That's a good gun

[@Elliot1949]

A very helpful and highly instructional video!! Please, I would like to ask you a question: I'm looking forward to find and purchase a nice second hand Smith & Wesson Mod 28-2 Highway Patrolman .357 Mag Revolver with 6 inch barrel, because it's a real classic and a very high quality revolver, probably not as flashy as the M-27 or the lighter M-19 Combat Magnum but an exceptional handgun as well. Now, I've never heard of particular issues with this model, have you? Thank you very much for your assistance and opinion on this matter.

[@richrudley2650]

On your new S&W 357. Look at the space between the frame the crane. When the cylinder closed.

[@tonylinardi3089]

I like Glocks too, and Beretta's! and Smith's

[@johnmatthews723]

Me too! I’m running a 92a1 and.a 686 with a six inch barrel, love em both....!

[@frankbutta9344]

Lock up with the trigger pulled is a Colt test. It means nothing on a Smith and Wesson. Excessive side to side play means the cylinder stop, or the cylinder notches are worn.