(Open the link from your phone and install the app and register) Download Temu app using temu.to/m/emglm1d5g27 to get £100 coupon bundle for free, Or search my code: dnh4892 in Temu search-bar to claim (for all users) *Special Gifts: Temu app new users can purchase one of my picks using the discounts mentioned in the video: temu.to/m/emglm1d5g27
@healeydave7 ай бұрын
This does not work, it might have for the first couple of users, but I have tried it several times over the weekend with a new account etc and its an absolute con, Temu puts bullshit prices up like save £600 on the thermal camera, reduced to £142, a far cry from the £70 price tag. Even the Meter is in the £20 region. @Sorin, Probably need to be wary of quoting Temu in the future, having a proper discount code with a reliable retailer is one thing but quoting Temu discounts (which seem change every time someone else searches for the same item) is pretty pointless.
@bosxo7 ай бұрын
Temu is bad news. Watch out!
@morganmadida97966 ай бұрын
Hi sir, I'm trying to search for that soldering station but I don't see it on temu app?
@kgosi.ishere6 ай бұрын
Shipping to Botswana noy possible.
@noahsidibay1164 ай бұрын
Hello Sorin,
@evadinglife7 ай бұрын
Hello! I'm a beginner/hobbyist, started after learning about your channel this year, I have a similar chinese soldering station and you actually can control the airflow if you press the cog button in the middle, the range is pretty good. With great respect and admiration from Russia, thank you very much for your work!
@JustInspiredKent7 ай бұрын
Oh nooooo. Temu got to Sorin too. No one is safe. 🤣
@XantheFIN7 ай бұрын
SHOP LIKE BILLIONAIRE. DONT BE A PEASANT. Maybe i got it wrong.
@ElxCriiO7 ай бұрын
@@dizzy2020 those cat tshirts re something else
@fredh31867 ай бұрын
Temu did a bait and switch and jacked the prices. Sorin was used.
@dickdastardly48017 ай бұрын
I expected this scenario.
@Nameless.v22 ай бұрын
Sorin , knows . Is complicit
@theforce827 ай бұрын
Hi Sorin! You can change the airflow by pressing the set button
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei7 ай бұрын
classic sorin never reads instructions xD
@alessandrovirdis5207 ай бұрын
😂😂@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei
@winmarkesconde56517 ай бұрын
i was about to comment it too. i bought mine for 3usd.
@andrei544457 ай бұрын
The multimeter and camera are back in stock now, I got the multimeter Thanks Sorin
@Elshrimpo3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice video. I do have one correction regarding the hot air station: you can adjust the airflow. When you turn on the hot air and set the temperature, you need to press the gear icon, and then you can also adjust the airflow. Thanks to your video, I bought this and am very happy with it. It works great.
@pedrocamara56227 ай бұрын
Thanks! At first it was not working but I was now able to order the thermal camera and I even got an additional 25€ coupon on top. Final price was only 73€! 😮
@DZ-bo8hqАй бұрын
You can adjust the airflow. I bought the same one from temu
@viralbull80857 ай бұрын
Sorin, You need to work with this tools to see the longevity of them. They seem nice, and I want to soldering station for sure
@mime43317 ай бұрын
Yeah. They don't last long. They even sell additional heating elements with cheap air guns.
@dobredaniel21237 ай бұрын
I manage to buy the camera with 73 € :) with sorin discount and new user discount. For me is perfect. Ty sorin. ❤
@ChrisJackson-js8rd2 ай бұрын
very true what you about high quality tools being mostly different in terms of how much use they can stand and it is true across every industry i've ever worked in the knife for 1000$ is no sharper on day one than the knife for 100$ but it is still sharp long after the cheaper knife has lost its edge
@mafhell26687 ай бұрын
Normal people: 10 $ Electronic people: pizza 🍕
@ocayaro7 ай бұрын
I just completely my first purchase from Temu. I’m waiting for delivery. If it goes well then I’m sold on Temu. Thanks, Sorin.
@loverboykimi7 ай бұрын
Airflow setting should be there. Default is 10. Hold set button --> and decrease flow with arrow.
@Qbit57 ай бұрын
Sorin you can acsually adjust airflow the middle butten u have to push it and hold then adjust!!!❤
@Qbit57 ай бұрын
Thats the 8988 model but rebranded
@ion_q7 ай бұрын
Unreal! I have that iron and hot air station! The iron stopped heating for mine after a year. Still use the air gun though!
@καΝενας-δ6λ6 ай бұрын
Just recive my thermal camera i want to thank you my friend is really good! thanks
@Smaxx7 ай бұрын
Oh! I looked up the Soldering Station on Amazon Germany and found it (significantly more expensive, obviously), but the reviews also include a warning about the connector pins on the base station (both male?) potentially being live without a cable (at 230V). So if anyone gets it, better make sure to always connect wires before plugging it in.
@chrisgr00ver7 ай бұрын
I’ve only heard scary stories about these ultra cheap hot air/soldering stations like they are improperly wired internally and can be a serious hazard
@you2ber2527 ай бұрын
Thank you Sorin! I managed to order thw thermocamera for something less 100 euro!
@you2ber2527 ай бұрын
I placed the order just after your video was published. Not sure if it still works.
@Swenser7 ай бұрын
As a purchaser, I trust TEMU about 10pc, aliexpress about 60pc and ebay is a 100pc because of its strong customer protections. Amazon, haven't come to a conclusion yet. Alibaba, same. Keep on kicking checkside bananas from the pocket Sorin. You are a champion.
@Sergiu_K7 ай бұрын
I only saw the multimeter at the price they gave you, and never used temu before. Soldering station and thermal camera says item no longer available. So I ordered the multimeter and had to add something else too because there is a minimum order amount. I am curious if I will receive the multimeter that you reviewed or some cheap copy. I already have a multimeter that I used for 15 years but at this price it was too good to pass, keep you posted.
@badeadrian7 ай бұрын
It doesn't apply discount if you have ordered it before from temu... only if you make a new account with a different payment account... probably will work
@GregM7 ай бұрын
Exaclty. These come one prices are for new users only.
@Abdallah.7956 ай бұрын
Miss our teacher ❤
@Smaxx7 ай бұрын
This looks like a really nice (de)soldering station, especially for that price. Better than any cheap one you'd randomly find on Amazon or eBay, but I don't really trust Temu with my data. As for the measurement tools, would have been nice to see some comparison between measured values.
@winlose30737 ай бұрын
very nice tools as long as they do the job what more would anyone need!
@ptrakl51467 ай бұрын
managed to get the camera, thx Master! all sold out now:)
@Hal-Gas7 ай бұрын
@electronicsrepairschool I managed to order the soldering station, but was unable to order the rest, must say it was a bad experience on Temu, looks like the multimeter didn't apply the discount, and the price went up to full price, and then it disappeared. Well hope the soldering station is going to be good!!!
@BCGT_Mikee_Dredd7 ай бұрын
Gutted that the 2 in 1 workstation is no longer available... 😔 I was in desperate need of it. I don't suppose you have any more deals on a similar item or it will be in stock again ? 🤞
@MelonSalao7 ай бұрын
Hi Sorin, ncv is wall scanner to detect live wires.
@MelonSalao7 ай бұрын
@@CorruptedDogg Ok I don't have this exact model but it is very similar (mk11) I suppose it will be more sensitive. 👍
@PCEYTube7 ай бұрын
For a beginner, I recommend spending a bit more on quality tools. These cheap tools will do a job but you need a lot of experience to effectively use them. Thanks for the video Sorin
@BlazinEmperor7 ай бұрын
@PCEYTube Not true, the fact that they're cheap doesn't make them less in quality. The thermal imager is superior to anything from FLIR below 340p resolution. The rework station is solid, I have been using one daily since 2021 & it works great. The truth is that Western companies just can't compete with the Chinese anymore in terms of instrumentation. The Chinese make better tools for a fraction of the price of Fluke, Bosch, etc. The Chinese tools are also easier to fix.
@PCEYTube7 ай бұрын
@@BlazinEmperor I have a FLIR and this camera is awful in comparison so what are you taking about? I have 26 years experience running my company and I'm only trying to help others who may think about starting out.
@yoinkinshploinkin697 ай бұрын
@@BlazinEmperor Everything is made in china, the argument is moot if everyone goes through china one way or another. After going through the rigamaroo of "cheap" as a beginner myself, I'd never think to suggest anyone to go cheap+china, get what's good, even if it might put a dent in the funds. That's just part of starting a business or going into a special hobby like this, 99% of mistakes i ever made came from flimsy beginner's trap advice like this because i was both ill-equipped and lacked the experience to ""make it work"". Pay once, Learn once, then you won't have to do it twice.
@TriodeTetrode7 ай бұрын
@@BlazinEmperor Just big LOL. You have no clue what are you talking about. Everything is cheap about chinese crap. Starting from plastics and ending with cheap and as few as possible components. Even chinese want to earn profit. You probably haven't even seen any JBC or weller or ersa or even chinese T12 soldering station. And saying chinese make better tools like Fluke shows you have actually no clue about electronics. If you would then you would know what makes Fluke good and why industry uses it everywhere. There are decent price and quality even from chinese, but definitely not the cheapest ones. For soldering it's night and day what you use. If you want cheapest decent quality at least buy T12 station which has heating element inside the tip. For hot air ST-862D is definitely decent quality for the price. For thermal camera InfiRay P2 Pro. For multimeter any will fit your motherboard where voltages are max 20-25V. Anything mains related stay away from it if you value your life. Btw even if you buy cheap multimeter and don't care about speed or accuracy then buy at least decent multimeter probes like probemaster. Makes night and day already.
@BlazinEmperor7 ай бұрын
@PCEYTube How many FLIR thermal inagers can boast of a 25hz refresh rate? Or 40mk sensitivity? Don't mistake the image fusion on your FLIR for the actual thermal image. The updated version of this UNI-T has image fusion, too. As of today, China's Infiray makes the best & and most advanced uncooled thermal sensors on earth. FLIR doesn't even come close. FLIR now shies away from listing the actual technical specifications of its thermal imagers in order to hide their inferiority. I have a FLIR too & I used to think like you, but you can't argue with facts. There are tons of reviews online.
@chegevarra51167 ай бұрын
Hello. I have question about voltage you use. It's 5.5v, what about 0.9v? Still visible? I speak about thermal camera.Thanks to you electronic repair is my hobby now :) Big fan of your content.
@Smaxx7 ай бұрын
I'd say this always depends on your actual components. You don't want to use anything higher than what's usually on those connections not to fry anything. Will 0.9V generate enough heat to be visible? Maybe.
@mikanikolic19767 ай бұрын
Nicely take the resistor and measure it to see how fast the multimeter is in auto range mode
@ivangheorghe77947 ай бұрын
Hi Sorin! Could you make a video about a cheap microscope that can be used successfully in the home lab?
@irishguy2000077 ай бұрын
Are these items still available? It's says the soldering station is discontinued.
@contemporiser7 ай бұрын
Soldering station was unlisted already when you posted the video. I watched it 1 minute after you posted it and it was the only thing I was after.
@electronicsrepairschool7 ай бұрын
log out and create a new account using a new email
@contemporiser7 ай бұрын
@@electronicsrepairschool still the same screen - item is discontinued
@electronicrepairservice20207 ай бұрын
New guys on the block, trying to undermine Aliexpress, my guess. These might be ok for someone just getting started or as a hobbyist but I wouldn't trust this stuff long term. Granted, with the exception of the thermal camera, they are almost being sold at 'throw-away' price points. I've made 2 purchases from temu when they first started and got what I paid for - low quality crap. I know of others who experienced the same, so I know it wasn't an 'isolated incident'. Call me a tool fanatic, IMOP a good quality tool will cost more and as a business, I'd rather have the latter even if I need to spend 'a bit' more. Experience has taught me that 'cheap' can come back to bite you more often than not, versus a more expensive purchase. The best thing to do is research & shop before you buy. Just my personal experience, people can decide for themselves. Nice review.
@ctecrwp7 ай бұрын
Sorin at 25°, if it is hot, then visit my country ~ 40° and you'll see what hot is...Hahahaaaaaa.
@kgosi.ishere6 ай бұрын
Good day. I want to order the soldering iron station but it doesnt ship to Botswana.
@Crazy--Clown4 ай бұрын
You'll have to pick up
@BP-sf7br7 ай бұрын
Temu sent real items at unbelievable price to Sorin because they know Sorin has large viewership... Marketing at its best
@Adoulwtos_mexri_telous7 ай бұрын
Hi Sorin! The soldering station is no longer valid
@electronicsrepairschool7 ай бұрын
log out and create a new account using a new email (Open the links from your phone)
@AbiAdigard7 ай бұрын
@@electronicsrepairschool with new acc I get message: "Sorry, only new users can get this coupon."
@Adoulwtos_mexri_telous7 ай бұрын
@@electronicsrepairschool Ok ty Master!
@TataGrassu7 ай бұрын
Though I created a new account, I still get the message that coupon is available only for new users.
@gerardheijnen86076 ай бұрын
I give up, ik created 3 new accounts with new email adress and home adres, even with the vpn set on UK i still get the same anoing error "Sorry, only new users can get this coupon."
@masterk50667 ай бұрын
I found the soldering iron 2in1 kit, it’s $36 USD at this point if you not new member. Not even sure the new member thing works from reading the comments 😂. And because it’s not sold by temu currently (third party seller) you have to add $15 worth of temu items free shipping or waste money on shipping so that puts you at $51 minimum. I hate that they give all their deals to new customers smh I’m already signed up with my real & burner email accounts 😂. Not a bad deal for what’s included I guess…..
@antanaskuizinas15507 ай бұрын
Hello, i have unit 120s mine is draining battery, when shut down it still consumes current from battery about 100mA and shuts of after 30 minutes, sometimes 60 minutes later
@donniedarko78916 ай бұрын
The Question is: How long is gonna work?
@Warvideos4017 ай бұрын
Those prices are not true
@Negiku7 ай бұрын
It does work. You might need to click on his link and spin some wheels in the app.
@healeydave7 ай бұрын
Me either, soldering station out of stock and the meter is showing as £19.24 and the thermal camera as £142.78.
@donniedarko78916 ай бұрын
@@healeydave no its not true. i see 1€ for the multimeter and 99,82€ for the thermalcam. try to click on the link in the description
@valentindoroiman44866 ай бұрын
not important Sorin need some money🤑😀😀
@mrBDeye2 күн бұрын
I got free items after stopping the spinning wheel. Six items free !
@valentindoroiman44866 ай бұрын
You check transistors and Temu check your personal data, is a win to win, buy cheap you buy it 3 times...
@we-are-electric14457 ай бұрын
Temu now say the item is discontinued so you can't check the price with the discount code. I wonder when it comes back whether it will then be £ 52.49 and no discount code to use !
@g4z-kb7ct7 ай бұрын
Lower airflow is required for very small parts otherwise they blow away. But you can change airflow, press the button, or better, read manual ;-)
@housinit7 ай бұрын
Air flow is adjustable on that hot air station.
@ronniewhite6976 ай бұрын
I checked this out 8 days after it was posted if i click on the station link it says it is discontinued , not sure hat is happening here all other items are available no problem.
@oraios207 ай бұрын
Hey sorin i love ur videos i am a great fan ! Now these tools are awesome but can u see if u find a voltage/amp regulator like the one u are using, that would be fantastic❤
@omarxxx20927 ай бұрын
Thank you for your great idea
@pauly5407 ай бұрын
Did as Sorin said, only the multimeter there at that price. Click on other item with the special code/link and load page just freezes 😢 Shame, I really wanted a thermal camera.
@yoyoyomynameisjo60067 ай бұрын
NOW FOR REA is that thermal camera good for a hobbyist ??
@aramgm78027 ай бұрын
heater station is not available anymore in that price ?
@milsiart49766 ай бұрын
Tried to buy soldering station on temu. It said it is not available (sold out) after I gave them all my data. Also, search results and availibility of items depends of country you are located. Seems as scam.
@rodsco3577 ай бұрын
Is this available for US residents?
@ujhazibela57667 ай бұрын
I have the same camera and i can not say a wrong word. It was 130 on amazon. 83+customs fee is still cheaper.
@cod4Rlp7 ай бұрын
Please dont promote temu, according to my bank they sell users account details to scammers. I didn't even checkout but they got my details after they were autofilled. My bank had to void my card because of it.
@mikebryson697 ай бұрын
I am getting way higher prices when I try to purchase these things. Is it because I'm in the US?
@nazarepair7 ай бұрын
I already bought the multimeter, 1$ it´s worth it. =)
@DannyWilliamH7 ай бұрын
Longtime subscriber, back from when you had about 400 subs. If my earlier comment got deleted for pointing out how this *promotion* works...I don't need to be a part of this community anymore. Not that you care or I'd be missed but this whole thing is, as you'd say, proper dodgy. Unlike past reviews that were obvious promotions or anything of the sort, this is dodgy and anyone that knows Temu knows why. I get it! Free stuff and a cut for directing people to the app but the way this exact "promotion" works is well known and...dodgy. If this is the new norm...it's been fun, sir.
@Karthor.6 ай бұрын
Just because the comment got deleted doesn't mean its Sorin that deleted it KZbin has started to delete comments that they don't like i get it all the time its kinda annoying
@pic2pic7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. I can't open the Temu site at all. It's probably blocked in my country because Temu doesn't ship to Bosnia
@danyan43857 ай бұрын
I hope TEMU got a lot from these tools, couse after this video they will be overwhelmed with orders :)
7 ай бұрын
You can do nothing wrong buying a cheap multimeter, but everything that runs on mains voltage you might watch or read a review first. Chinesium products have the tendency to neglect users safety when it comes to mains voltage. ;)=)
@you2ber2527 ай бұрын
Yes, sure, but I wouldn't worry unless I am using the meter for voltages over 500 V. Plastic is good enough for the mains voltage. 'course you have to be well aware you are dealing with a very cheap tool.
@hairulole7 ай бұрын
Mr Sorin make it looks easy
@tossancuyota78487 ай бұрын
you're tempting me to order one myself
@franciscobilog96737 ай бұрын
I have gone thru this cheap tools at beginning, its very frustrating for beginner then you slowly upgrade them to a much better tools later on
@Negiku7 ай бұрын
Eagerly waiting for Temu to start shipping to my country.
@electronicsrepairschool7 ай бұрын
temufinds.com/temu-shipping-countries-list/
@androxilogin7 ай бұрын
I have that thermal cam and while it does okay overall, every time I have gone to use it since the day I got it, the battery is dead. I've contacted the company asking the simple questions like what batteries it takes and how to open the unit to even change them and they had no answers! They seriously joked around the whole time and ignored my questions. I don't know if I'll ever buy anything from them again simply due to their ridiculous interactions during this conversation. They even cut off our conversation!
@juliusvalentinas7 ай бұрын
Sounds the same as infiray and their p2pro camera.
@androxilogin7 ай бұрын
@@juliusvalentinas I also have a UNI-T multimeter that I hate. One of those electronics that you HAVE to use throwaway batteries rather than rechargeable.
@clivecottam15096 ай бұрын
I'll love to practice board repairs for boy do I have emany boards around but I don't really have the space for this
@marekzitka24277 ай бұрын
UTI 120S is a great camera except the fact that it discharges its baterry while it's off pretty much. Everytime I need it to use it it doesn't work and I need to charge it.
@nasul97 ай бұрын
Temu account = probably personal data shared, more spam emails ! And the offer applies only to new users !
@i-fixsystemsnashik38287 ай бұрын
Deleted my account from temu
@cod4Rlp7 ай бұрын
@@i-fixsystemsnashik3828 like they will follow proper data protection laws lmao
@rafalklepinski73727 ай бұрын
CCP data gathering :). Same reason they sell certain things like watches that have absolutely no way to adjust the time unless you "install an app." Many products that are missing obvious functions which are enabled only after you install an app (along with its zero day spyware :) ) If it's too good to be true...
@omarxxx20927 ай бұрын
Could you please try a cheap microscop from temu
@electronicsrepairschool7 ай бұрын
do you have a link? Thank you
@eeledahc7 ай бұрын
Temu keeps track of you phone or device ID. If you try a new email on the same device it will either tell you something is suspicious, device was used before or may not say anything and just put limits on things such as games. Prices will always have some outrageous original price and make it seem like discounts. The games take forever and by the time you win, if you make it that long the product will be gone and you will be offered something way less than what you chose at the beginning. They have it all mapped out.
@anonamemous68657 ай бұрын
@@eeledahc I agree
@john006017 ай бұрын
Temu don't care to lose money with those price, they are try to put down Amazon and to get your personal information.
@wisher21uk7 ай бұрын
Hi Sorin they seem like bargains to me 😊 thanks for the codes
@Daniel_Official_107 ай бұрын
Numai ce am luat de pe AliExpress 😭 2 zile mai devreme dacă încărcai video-ul 😢 Fantastice oferte, iar calitatea este într-adevăr uimitoare
@Kane20097 ай бұрын
It seems that i can only buy 1 of the 3 items using the discount? I can't get all 3 with those prices.
@chainbreaker7 ай бұрын
lol, i'm starting to think i went too cheap with my hot air station xD i don't understand why people don't use the manual pump more often, 'proper useful tool' if you ask me....
@pauls.electronics7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the code, I bought uni-t 120S thermal camera for 71€ only
@basshuntet61287 ай бұрын
This is most likely their way to get customer, by introducing a cheaper price items but eventually will be the same like ebay or amazon after some time later. I bought a lot of tools from Taobao, cheaper than ebay or amazon which they charge you for like 3 or 4 times.
@FixDaily7 ай бұрын
Yes but you need to spend 10USD before buying that 1USD multimeter. Also comparing the prices, Aliexpress has overall the better prices
@alfiereazzurro49567 ай бұрын
Do you repair ATX motherboards on shipment?
@northcheam12057 ай бұрын
i itry to buy hotgun with soldring iron this offer in gone ?
@Sharma715217 ай бұрын
No shipping for India?
@tubejoust7 ай бұрын
the deals only work for new TEMU users...i had a pre-existing account and they added $100 to the price of the thermal camera. support said there was nothing they could do. even though i had never bought from them before.
@tubejoust7 ай бұрын
cancelled that order, deleted the app, rescanned Sorins QR code which reinstalled the app, and THEN the proper price was applied.... chicken shit outfit. lets see if i indeed get it.
@Vasilica857 ай бұрын
Did anyone successfully order with the code?
@Umitto7 ай бұрын
No wont work
@filenotfound__38717 ай бұрын
@@Vasilica85 No, Temu is a clickbait, says offer unavailable
@darkguset6 ай бұрын
I will only comment on the camera - sure it might be sensitive (although your testing was far from scientific) but: - the frame rate seems about 10-15fps, which you say is 'good' but I would classify as barely adequate. You don't need higher for repair jobs, but there are better cameras out there for not much more and you could buy something decent that you can use for other applications, not just repair jobs. - most importantly the resolution seems attrotius. Sure, it picked up the CPU and transistor as red, but a quarter of the board was glowing red with it. You didn't even bring it close enough to see if you can pinpoint the 'failing' component. Otherwise what is the point - if there are 100 components in the area that all glow red.
@Adlorem7 ай бұрын
Why I don't buy items from Temu? Because they are selling products produced in forced labor camps. That is why most of them are extremely cheap. Why there is a free postage? Look for information in Internet, we are all paying for it, but not directly. Bottom line you are benefiting from cheap products, but for what price to other people? I know that Temu is everything right now, because they have a lot of money to spend for promotion, but it sad they get also on this channel.
@alex.theoto7 ай бұрын
Nice review! Can you make a teardown video?
@lucian-petrejitaru81957 ай бұрын
Sorry mate, not as advertised 😮 The soldering station is not available anymore. And prices gone up to Heaven 😂
@mira57517 ай бұрын
I tried to buy the multimeter but it costs 25.99 euro and 0.99 off
@you2ber2527 ай бұрын
You must register with a new email, otherwise it won't work 😉 Also, You have the option to choose only one of the three gadgets, so choose wisely. I went for the thermal camera.
@prahalb7 ай бұрын
Beware that temu list items that are not the ones from Sorin when the Sorin's one are out of stock.
@rameeshjuju10397 ай бұрын
Sir noted thank you for your experience.
@michaelrapirap46477 ай бұрын
solder station was discontinued
@meerkaktak7 ай бұрын
If the man has a straight hands no matter what shitty equipment he's gonna use, would be good all the time!!!
@Darkyzor7 ай бұрын
Lol , probably that tip from that solder iron will get burned away after a few jobs, I know those ones. You will never ever can compare a cheap soldering iron to an expensvie one , I had something like this when I was newbie , and after I switched it to T3B Aixun it was a game changer.
@laboratorioassembler7 ай бұрын
Ask temu to request to TRMS to lower continuity value... to 4 ohms ...