BWV 598: Pedal Exercitium (Scrolling)

[@Acandlesfickleflame]

This is what Bach did for leg day.

[@jossmundac437]

Xdd

[@Mase251]

So apparently he didn’t skip it

[@Taki-NeobaroqueDZ]

Nice one!

[@Chipsomedip]

Haha

[@SpaceCityGoldfish]

Consequently this is also a fantastic exercise for string crossings on cello

[@hasch5756]

Having seen quite a few Bach scores, the handwriting as of here is his least readable by far. Or is it his footwriting?

[@martijnpieterman]

This score is written by Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, one of J.S.Bachs' sons.

[@SpaghettiToaster]

Aren't the beautiful Bach scores mostly copies by Anna Magdalena?

[@franceskinskij]

@@SpaghettiToaster yes, but the Anna Magdalena copies all come from notebooks specifically named after her

[@emilianodorantes2434]

maybe he wrote too fast

[@marcellovacca3155]

😂

[@plebiu]

my god, the score looks like a mix of chinese and cave writing.. maybe even chinese cave writing

[@contrapunctusxiv9179]

Began learning the organ a few months ago, the first piece my teacher gave to me. Thank you Geru!

[@cuajareto_de_las_galaxias]

El Heavy Metal nació en el Siglo XVIII, y lleva el apellido BACH. Luego fue olvidado (salvo por algunos momentos memorables y bastante siniestros de Mozart, Beethoven y Liszt), para finalmente llegar a ser adulto en el Siglo XX.

[@roycezaro1998]

What a strange piece.... I wouldn't be surprised if this is a transcription of an improvisation. I bet Bach was more willing to attempt the unthinkable in practice than in his actual music. I wonder how much he held back for the sake of style. EDIT: I wonder if where the score ends, there was a huge cadenza that was impossible to copy except for some basic framework like the chords scribbled in at the end... would be cool to hear

[@DangerRussDayZ6533]

It's just a pedal exercise.. it's performed entirely with your feet for practice.

[@MegaVHF]

I think that we need the piece completed rather than the interpolation of a cadenza. I just encountered this video, with its scrolling of the manuscript, and noticed the chords you mentioned at the end. In response to your tall order, this morning I improvised an ending that incorporates them (on the manuals) before the pedal solo resumes! I will engrave it soon and link to a scrolling video of my own, in case you are curious to see what I did.

[@MegaVHF]

I later fulfilled my promise, but used a Dropbox link, which is apparently verboten. They don't just remove the link, but also the post that contained it! So, I have uploaded video to KZbin itself. I hope this link stays put. kzbin.info/www/bejne/npW5k35todunbKM

[@yellowsubmarine4231]

I love the the way how they write the notes!!

[@sebastianzaczek]

*my leg! my leg!*

[@wontondragon7139]

"How much bass do you want"? Bach: "Yes"

[@OmnipresentPotato]

What do you mean? This is literally the bass clef.

[@Chipsomedip]

@OmnipresentPotatothe joke flew over your head

[@asdad2170]

BACH"S METAL !!!

[@redwaffler1820]

Lit

[@declamatory]

Yeah, I dig that! Darn it, I want more!

[@MegaVHF]

Many completions have been attempted and a lot are published. I incorporated those five chords we can see here at the end into this proposed conclusion. kzbin.info/www/bejne/npW5k35todunbKM

[@F-Man]

Sloppier handwriting than we’re used to seeing from Bach - I wonder if this was just a little sketch of a sort of warmup routine either for his use or for a student.

[@federico4639]

The signature only says Bach, so it is doubtful that it is from Johann Sebastian because he always signed as J.S. Bach. Referring to himself as simply "Bach" would be very disrespectful to the other members of the family whom he honored a lot (specially his uncle).

[@nocturnallsnake4228]

Ernesto Herrera and it is interesting how music can be praised mistakenly.

[@MusicalEutopia]

Nocturnal Snake I’m not sure Bach would have serious objections to this formally simple monophonic piece. He wasn’t always remarkably unique.

This is not J.S. Bach's handwriting. The piece might be by him (who knows?) but it was written down by someone else, probably a student.

[@arazaratsyan6478]

There's also repeats placed within only specific bars, which I've never seen before in Bach's writing. He usually put repeats at the ends of entire sections and wrote out repeated measures and what not. Also, in measure 5 the person who wrote this needlessly repeated a flat before the first A of the first 3 beats, but oddly not the 4th beat. They also forgot to write out a whole beat in measure 14. It's very sloppy work in general compared to Bach's writing. Of course it could have been a Bach piece written out by someone else and correctly attributed to him, but this is pretty sloppy for a copyist's work. Could be someone who wasn't a copyist writing out a Bach piece, though, or maybe it could be a different Bach, like one of his sons perhaps.

[@ronzonirafael]

Why don't we have the last notes? And i always heard a version which have some more bars to end on the tonic.

[@OrbiliusMagister]

This is a sketch... well, a bachian sketch. Bach left it unfinished but it is such a beautiful composition that you may legitimally think that Bach ended it that way calling for a cadenza, to let organists improvise a fitting end as an "unwritten exercise".

[@franceskinskij]

BWV 999 ends on a V

[@johanngottliebgoldberg1055]

Organist Matthias Havinga said that Bach wants us to finish ourselves. Similar challenges were very acceptable in those days

[@MegaVHF]

@@johanngottliebgoldberg1055 "Us" as in his students, which as far as I am concerned is the whole of humanity! I'm sure Emanuel (whose youthful handwriting we recognize in the music) cobbled some kind of ending together, based on those five chords, but we have no record of it.

[@ZiomZiomCreeper]

Thank you Gerubach! 😁

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

You can even play this on the Cello

[@Chipsomedip]

Yep

[@happyrabbit4432]

You can hear god in his works!

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

gerubach I see 5 Chords at the end.

[@MegaVHF]

But the organist in the soundtrack didn't! I incorporated them into this proposed conclusion. kzbin.info/www/bejne/npW5k35todunbKM

[@Ivan_1791]

Back then there weren't any bikes.

[@TheRefinedGentleman]

One of the first pieces you get when learning pedal technique, amirite? I believe there is a copy of this piece in Gleason's primer on organ technique as a sort of etude once you've made it all the way through the pedal section. I did an improvisation/extension on this piece as a postlude for a church service once, but I've gotten so out of practice my technique will probably fail me if I tried that today lol.

[@johnduffy2777]

is it just me or do parts of it sound like the chaconne from violin partita in d minor

[@xmvziron]

Debian? Is that you?

[@aimiliosspiliopoulos1091]

It is attributed to Bach, but is it truly his? What do historians say? It doesn't sound like his composition... Either way, thanks!

[@Keldor314]

Some historians think it was written by C.P.E. Bach, one of J.S. Bach's sons. Stylewise, I wouldn't put it too far from the pedal solo near the beginning of the Toccata, Adagio and Fugue in C Major (BWV 564) , or the solo at the beginning of the Prelude and Fugue in C minor (BWV 549). Looking at the autograph, those chords after the end of the pedal stuff seem very suggestive to me of the composer saying "and after the pedal solo, you'd continue on into the full praeludium, maybe starting with this harmonic progression..."

[@StyzeSoulmaker]

I agree, it's a pretty bad composition even for an etude

[@adamgulley1399]

Styze Soulmaker Wdym by bad?,I mean it dosent sound that good compared to others but it's not bad

[@aimiliosspiliopoulos1091]

Keldor314 Thanks!

[@StyzeSoulmaker]

The subject is very uninspired, especially with the repeat, and the sequences as well. And there are just some very awkward sounding passages like the ascending line at 2:00 and the change at 1:06 from the previous bar

[@jean-jacqueskaselorganreco6879]

harsh mistake due to bad reading of the notes text at 0'54" .g-minor has to my knowledge no f sharp on the key

[@OmnipresentPotato]

Would have liked to hear the cadenza at the end.

[@MegaVHF]

Not permitted, apparently, to include even a KZbin link in this context. Try doing a search for my name (Victor Frost) and Pedalexercitium to view my conclusion which includes the five chords.

[@OmnipresentPotato]

@@MegaVHF nice to hear from you!! I've heard it before on the Netherlands Bach Society channel, was it not? It was completely gorgeous - unexpectedly so, as I had never heard your name before. I'm honored to speak to someone so talented

[@MegaVHF]

@@OmnipresentPotato kzbin.info/www/bejne/npW5k35todunbKM

[@nurturaanimae]

What about 5 last accords ?

[@MegaVHF]

See my response to RockStarOscar above.

[@123cityperson]

how to exercise with instruments

[@EchoHeo]

wew

[@YakovThuja]

And...this is Bach's original manuscript ?

[@MegaVHF]

Definitely not. Title and composer (at top) in the hand of the lexicographer Thieme, music in the hasty hand of Sebastian's son (and pupil...) Emanuel.

[@rosyquintero2032]

I'am trying to play this piece at the cello because it is so magestic and terrible

[@sebastianzaczek]

Or terriffic?

[@MegaVHF]

@@sebastianzaczek I'm sure she meant, awe-inspiring!

[@fabiaromana5296]

Have you a pdf ?

[@tungtobak]

Not diggin it until the slow part, then it gets heavy.

[@christianwouters6764]

It is certainly genuine J S Bach. The handwriting is peculiar but perfectly readable, most likely an anonymous copy of the original.

[@lordlouckster2315]

The handwriting is by CPE Bach

[@christianwouters6764]

I read somewhere that CPE was lefthanded so was excused from practicing string instruments in the Bach family business.

[@MegaVHF]

@@lordlouckster2315 Yes, as to the notes. The title and author at the top are in the handwriting of the lexicographer Thieme.

[@北海道牧場主]

楽譜が汚い、読めない！ ベートーベンもかなり汚なかったらしいね。

[@VD-8876]

Shut

[@Opuss55]

Shut up Chinese

[@MegaVHF]

Beethoven's manuscripts are all but indecipherable. Sebastian Bach's own manuscripts are beautiful and musicians play from their reproductions regularly. In this case the notes were written hastily by his then-young son Emanuel.