BX61 AEJ - Prison Van thinks it's a Bus

[@thomasstorie1621]

I worked for G4S and used to drive these 14 cell vans and yes they are allowed to use bus lanes, they are classed as buses.

[@kevinjohnrowe]

i work for serco as a pcv driver - yes, we can use all bus lanes, the only exception is if a sign indicates ''local'' buses only

[@nikkibell6]

This is either a 12 or 14 cell van, and is also under the correct Category for the bus lane due to weight. So yes it’s allowed In the bus lane 👍🏽

[@itsonlyme458]

The bus lane timeplate states not to be used during the hours of 4-7pm, Mon to Sat so I think the prison van can use the bus lane outside those hours as well as other vehicles.

[@clarissamcpigeon7857]

Prison vans often aren't allowed to stop and can break certain traffic laws for security reasons. Also, this is legally classed as a bus because of the seats on board.

[@littlebigman7231]

Moon trog for your info a bus is used mainly for local stage carriage work and carries a ticket machine and fast opening doors. And a coach is used for longer distance work has no ticket machine ( except may ex and Megabus. Etc ) and has luggage space and usually a toilet . And the driver is paid less than bus drivers because they don't handle cash .

[@callummitchell7538]

by definition in the road traffic act 1988, yes it is a bus. you need a cat D licence to drive one.

[@foreigntimes]

Serco has an exemption for 12 and 14 cell vehicles (those which require a PCV licence). The smaller vehicles cannot use the bus lanes outwith the specified hours.

[@andrewmeadows2596]

Technically it is classed as a bus and can use bus lanes. I hope that answers your question.

[@4ChordsNoNet]

Yes it does

[@Camsplint]

You'd have to look at the individual Traffic Regulation Order that created the bus lane, but there are a number of exemptions that are normally allowed, including police, fire and ambulance vehicles, many types of local authority or highway contractor's vehicles etc. I would not be in the least bit surprised if prison vans are among the list, and of course, the definition of "bus" is open to question anyway.

[@4ChordsNoNet]

2. Thank you for letting me know that I got the reg no wrong. I have corrected in the title and description, but not the video. That would mean deleting and re-uploading it. As for your other comments. 1. Takes one to know one. 3. Why would my bike piss people off? 4. Why not? 5. Coached cannot use all bus lanes, there are many that are local authority ones only. I presume that you drive a gold Rover.

[@plateshutoverlock]

Yes, and if you go up and ask, they will probaly even let you ride it (locked in one of it's holding cells straight to the police station :)

[@BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

I think any vehicle that can carry 9 passengers can use a bus lane unless local restrictions apply.

[@kevinjohnrowe]

the only exception for a 12 or 14 cell prison van NOT to use the bus lanes shown in this video is if the bus lane sign indicates 'local buses' - there is no evidence that this is the case in this instance - this bus is perfectly correct to use the bus lane.

[@matthewwells7866]

10,12 & 14 cell prison vans and above are permited to use bus lanes.

[@maidstoneonbike]

If you can drive a minibus in a local authority bus lane, I'd say the prison van could go in the bus lane, but I'm no expert in these things.

[@kevinjohnrowe]

Tim, i'm afraid you are wrong on the ''any prison van bar the 3 cells'' bit...it is only 12 a 14 cells that are permitted in bus lanes - it has nothing to do with keeping prisoners calm nor has it anything to do with public or prisoner safety...it will only marginally reduce the risk of a high jack but when you bare in mind that whoever might hijack a prison van is hardly going to be too fussed that it happens to be travelling in a bus lane, then this thought process cancels that out? - PCO 8yrs

[@xjapslap6212]

A bike isn't a bus but an emergency vehicle is allowed to consider itself one

[@kevinjohnrowe]

furthermore - coaches are able to use them for exactly the same reason. what is a coach if it is not a bus?

[@21yah6951s]

Yes they can as they hold PCV license and the sign must say Local Buses only!

[@petea2485]

Your wrong

[@4ChordsNoNet]

Read the description again, I say that you need a Class D licence (that's PCV) to drive one. I was simply questioning whether they were entitled to drive in a bus lane as they are not a bus/cycle/taxi/motorbike. Technically, coaches should not use them.

[@mrichards55]

Justice waits for no-one

[@Carpetlay1]

No. It’s a sweat box. You do not want to go in one.

[@dontyoujustloveit1]

Yes they are legally allowed to use bus lanes. There's your answer.

[@4ChordsNoNet]

You could well be right. I really don't know the answer to this.

[@jamesevans938]

Well it’s transporting people so it comes under the definition of bus

[@4ChordsNoNet]

Please read the description in the video, I have already said that you need a Class D/D1 licence to drive one, my question is are they allowed to use Bus Lanes? Coaches are not allowed to use most Bus Lanes, even though you can drive both on the same licence.

[@SotonDroid]

Not exactly public transport either.

[@Cliffjumper24]

Doesn't really count as a bus...... the 'passengers' aren't allowed to get off!! Heh heh!!

[@richtee5932]

a 12 and 14 cell prison van is allowed to use a bus lane. #justsaying

[@maidstoneonbike]

Often shortened to 'Car'. :P

[@Kebaskia]

It is a bus though.

[@LukeB22]

the van can drive in a bus lane if it is in a escort and the frount police car goes in the bus lane but there was no escort so it was iliegaly in there

[@feetandthong1523]

reason is "when i got sent to hmp bedford from bullingdon hmp it was late so they had to keep us a extra 3 hours in holding cells order us outside fish n chips n order extra security so yes as a ten year sentance off n on they should yes

[@redvee2002]

Boris says no. london:gov:uk/mqt/public/question:do?id=23860 : = .

[@rileyghosts8185]

And cyclists think they own the fucking road.

[@4ChordsNoNet]

We do, actually.

[@adrianrigby6184]

Learn about crown exemption discs first , then post your highly biased ill informed propaganda later

[@4ChordsNoNet]

Read the description first before commenting.

[@smileybouncer]

If you're gonna post a vid do some homework, the vehicle has 10 cells which means a PCV licence is required to drive it, therefore it's classed as a bus.

[@snapdragogon69]

It is a bus and would be licensed as one and the driver will need a PCV license.

[@dontyoujustloveit1]

Yes they are legally allowed to use bus lanes. There's your answer.