By Fire Be Purged!

[@BlueShellshock]

Roffle: “Guys, Renathal doesn’t belong in every deck.” Twitch: “ROFFLE CLAIMS RENATHAL TRASH TIER MEME CARD.” Roffle: “No, that’s not what I said, Renathal does work, it needs the right deck.” Twitch: “ROFFLE SAYS RENATHAL NEW META.”

[@etherealg3940]

I mean, lol, except in a few niche cases it 100% is a trash tier meme card. Was laid out very cogently in the latest VS podcast.

[@dexter2392]

It's new meta, 10 free health is based

[@yborovyk]

@@dexter2392 +10 more tech cards for quest shaman

[@TheMusicalFruit]

Watching Roffle grow increasingly frustrated while trying to explain statistics to Twitch Chat is part of why I love this channel.

[@BlueShellshock]

@@TheMusicalFruit Not to mention chat likes to deal with extremes. He ends up having to explain why Ren might be good, and two minutes later, has to explain why Ren might NOT be good.

[@desirecoach8096]

Roffle is one of the best HS KZbinrs left. Thanks for sharing another video.

[@afc9447]

The last of the Mohicans 😁

[@jehulian8987]

It’s just roffle, Dane, and MarkMckz in the wild stuff now

[@Max-dv1kq]

the best and probably the last if hs continues its way as a p2w :)

[@jehulian8987]

@@Max-dv1kq yea im not gonna spend money anymore. I bought the pack for the current expansion, the $60 one and its still not enough. Imma just disenchant stuff and play 1 class. no more spending

[@getsleep864]

@@Max-dv1kq Never get the p2w argument. You can definitely get enough resources as a f2p to make 1-2 decks per expansion, more if you’re willing to play off meta. Money opens up more options but you can definitely play the game without it.

[@Vesdus]

When Roffle is absolutely finished with Twitch chat's braindead questions: 5:32 "I can't possibly think of a reason why it's not in the deck" LOL

[@parkourse2457]

just checking but armegadillo is a bad card in the deck because it runs counter to its goals right

[@meosk]

@@parkourse2457 it’s mana cost might pose an issue to Baku the mooneater

[@Ishsa]

@@parkourse2457 to answer the other side of your question, armegadillo is a great card for the taunt deck, if you're playing even cards

[@Madmuli]

There's a reason they're on Twitch, instead of playing the game

[@Pico_Senpai]

I'm impressed at how Roffle managed to edit all of his errors out of his original intro he made on twitch without it sounding cranky, nicely done

[@yeet4073]

I need the directors cut

[@Piizzachuu]

Release the Snyder Cut!

[@yeet4073]

@@Piizzachuu is it on RAWfle?

[@Skullhawk13]

Sire Denathrius is a Venthyr. He’s the origin of all Vampires and Dreadlords. He was actually disposed by his son Prince Renathal. He was never an elf or actually ever a mortal at all. He is absolutely Evil. He is the reason there was an anima drought as he was hoarding all of it.

[@chester1882]

More lore more lore who is Renathal?

[@Rolach]

@@chester1882 Renethal was the first venthyr created by Denathrius, after years of seeing how the rulings of his "father" have dwindled, he decided to lead a rebellion against the sire. He's essentially the "main" character in the Revendreth storyline.

[@candy-ass4915]

So he's Super Hot Evil Venthyr Vampire dude, is what you're saying.

[@Skullhawk13]

@@candy-ass4915 if you find him attractive sure, That would be more accurate.

[@Xgya2000]

Renathal is a trap, but it's a FUN trap. I think it's less of a trap in Reno decks if only because card consistency being bad is part of the deck being a Reno deck. At best, the non-Reno deck has two copies of its best 15 cards normally, now it'll have two copies of the best 20. Generally, the quality difference between the best 15 cards and the 16th-20th best card will be higher than the quality difference between the best 30 cards and the 31st-40th one.

[@SuperAmazingJared]

yeah, but you also reduce the consistency of drawing the reno cards, so the payoff is less worth it

[@sacwingedbatsatadbitsad4346]

That's true in standard but not in wild. Most decks have 20-25 mandatory cards and have to maintain a certain ratio such as miracle priest needing to have at least 2 cheap spells for each minion or reno priest needing to have cheap removal to offset the expensive raza, loatheb, reno, shadowreaper mandatory top-end. This means that you often can't include the 30th best card which would be an expensive tech card, say battlecry loatheb to beat shudder shaman, you have to include a suboptimal cheap card, say holy smite, to maintain that ratio instead. Same with 29th, 28th, etc. With ren you can put in the expensive tech cards to auto-beat slower decks without cutting all your early game and auto-losing to aggro. Now, this really only makes sense for classes that can both draw the extra cards and have enough mana cheat to play the extra cards, so pretty much priest, rogue, and druid exclusively. It can also counterintuitively increase consistency, for example, in a 30-card miracle priest, you would have to cut a cheap cycle spell to include the 3 3/4 naga that tutors the handmaiden and priestess, not happening, you might draw it a turn or two earlier on average, but more often than not you'll just be sitting on an inactive handmaiden for those 1-2 turns anyway. With renathal, even though the deck is 10 cards bigger, the naga tutor card still about doubles the chance of finding handmaiden early because not only are you twice as likely to hit it naturally, but you're also twice as likely to hit it off insight which is huge with the small minion pool, and you can still activate it because you maintained the ratio of spells to minions.

[@bornagainbear]

In music the gathering this is an old logic problem that goes similar to the donator in chat laid it out. Since Mtg was 60 card minimum decks with no max, people needed to make the decision on if they should go to 61/62 cards to fit in tech cards or even higher for reasons. If you want to put the best available cards in your deck and start with them, then the 31st card is worse than the 30th and reduces the chance you draw the better cards. Everytime you draw that 31st card was a chance to have drawn a different, better card. However in hearthstone, where games regularly go to fatigue, renethal makes sense in exactly the kinda Decks that run it: large mid range or control that want the 10 extra hp and anti fatigue tech vs other control decks.

[@youtubehandle102]

@@bornagainbear if you are going to fatigue in wild you forgot to put a win condition in your deck

[@Xgya2000]

@@bornagainbear "games regularly go to fatigue" What Hearthstone have you been playing, and can we get to the mysterious and strange lands of turn 8 and beyond? Games that go long are exceedingly rare, and require a LOT of control tools, which you're less likely to draw in a bigger deck. It might help you against other control decks, but then so would Archivist, and nobody plays her. (the mana cost isn't an issue in a control v control matchup, but a bad draw is a bad draw vs aggro)

[@jawshua492]

I enjoyed hearing roffle talk about his deadlifts, would love to hear more about his routine

[@avinashrao7359]

Same, was watching the video on his other channel and was pretty interested in his other lifts. Also he's a unit for pulling 500

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Would be much preferable to responding to the "40 card deck good or bad" people in chat for the hundredth time. It was really annoying for him to have to hear people continually bring it up in chat but it was also really annoying to hear him respond to those people when he could just ignore them and interact with people talking about something else in chat.

[@essayenjoyer]

He is closest to a robot built to look like a Dread Lord. Never was an elf. But was always 100% sexy. You got it Roffle.

[@Archimo]

We need more cards like prince Renethal where the downside is fun and the upside is good and anti agro.

[@Xgya2000]

Do note that there COULD be an aggro-friendly version of a card like Renathal that would still make it seem fair. Instead of "deck has 40 cards, you have 40 health", it would be "deck has 40 cards, start the game drawing one more".

[@silvsilvsilv]

@@geasslelouch I want more aggro options. You don't speak for all HS players.

[@MetalMouth54321]

the upside is definitely not anti-aggro; for most classes, even with just 30 cards it would mean dying a turn or two later than normal think of the upside as more like a buffer against the chip damage you might take while setting up your main gameplan, not the full brunt of an aggro deck's early game that you'll take in that matchup

[@sacwingedbatsatadbitsad4346]

@@MetalMouth54321 that's what anti-aggro is, my guy

[@centor111]

@@sacwingedbatsatadbitsad4346 nope. Anti aggro is not dying at all to aggro/removing the momentum of aggro. It is why time out isn't an 'anti aggro' card, it is an enabler for combo preparation and stall card. It doesn't matter if you have even 60 HP if you can't remove the wall of 3 attack minions + weapon + burn slamming your face for 10+ every turn

[@piscenicprodigy8816]

i like how hearthstone players never realized that having a bigger deck is almost always a downside. this is common knowledge as far as i know in most physical card games, likely because running a bigger deck has always been an option. not having to consider that means that a bunch of casual hearthstone players need it explained to them from time to time that making your deck smaller is an advantage, and bigger a disadvantage (most of the time)

[@corporalmiles8711]

Are we really not gonna mention that Roffle said his deadlift PR is nearly 500lbs???

[@hudsonbrowning5893]

It’s how he’s strong enough to deal with twitch chat each stream

[@lyraharrow3005]

Your thoughts on Renethal are entirely correct. The best example I could give for a comparison is Yorion in MTG. Upside: you start the game with an extra card in hand that’s always there that can be synergized with. Downside, you have to run at least 20 extra cards in your deck (in a 60 card game, the ratio is exactly the same as Renethal). There are very, very few decks that run Yorion, and those that do are only in formats where cantrips are extremely powerful, card quality is high enough, and card effects are replaceable enough, that you can justify the increased inconsistency (IE Legacy Jeskai Yorion). Renethal’s upside is definitely weaker and more situational, so I doubt it’ll see a ton of play outside of for fun. However, Yorion and Renethal decks are both extremely fun to build, so it’ll probably be a Wild staple still.

[@ysqure3]

I think some of the evaluation of the "Start with more cards in your deck" comes from people not quite realizing how rare it is that you actually draw and play every card in your deck. It can kind of feel like "Oh, if I add 10 more anti-aggro cards to my deck without taking anything else out, I'm better against aggro". But except in very few matchups you don't play all the cards in your deck, you play the first 10 or 15 or however many that you actually draw. So it's not as obvious that "total amount of cards your deck can play" is a much smaller deal than "average card quality of the first X cards you see" Also kind of interesting to compare with Elysiana, where it's bad in the aggro matchup but useful in slow mirrors but has the benefit of being one bad card in your deck vs fast decks instead of being ten bad cards in your deck.

[@Shenteresting]

I find it so cool that KZbin's targeted ads now give me Roffle's Firestone ad. I watch it every time, just to show extra support of making it keep coming back!

[@BarbecuedBismuth]

I didn't understand the concept of deck dilution until I played Inscryption. Big learning experience.

[@Vesdus]

Put Renethal in your pirate warrior deck, draw Patches less often! Am I doing it right, chat?

[@ZeUbermeinsch]

Not gonna lie I've seen more aggro decks run Renathal than actual control decks. I've fought Tax Pally, Pirate Rogue, Pirate Warrior, and Burn Shaman all with Renathal and win on turn 7 cause they had really bad cards in their hand.

[@arifridwanabriyanto9286]

maybe on that case, the 10 cards extra is an upside for no being out of gas

[@TecKirb]

Twitch chat not understanding card game fundamentals is funny. There's a reason card draw that does nothing but draw cards is good and aquatic form was so hyped. I wonder how they'd react if renethal was reversed (i.e. max health and deck size of 25 or 20).

[@lancelee338]

“The super hot evil elf man” that says “scream for me” when he attacks lmao

[@scottmitchell1305]

I really like the new addition in the corner showing turn lengths. Please keep it there if you can!

[@HoppouChan]

I believe you can apply the same logic as in YGO with Renathal: If your deck has some number of bricks, and adding Renathal allows you to reduce the proportion of bricks in your deck, it is worth considering including him. If you have 5 bricks in your 30 card deck, thats a 1/6 chance for any given card being a brick. If you use Renathal, you reduce the chance to 6/40 -> 15%. ...obviously if you have just one brick, you increased your chances of drawing one now. Assuming that Spider Tanks count as bricks

[@justrealbadideas]

ACKCHHUALLY Denathrius is a god from the pantheon of Death gods, never been an elf, but created both the Venthyr and the Nathrezim

[@PatriciaCross]

I was fiddling with a Reno Tesspionage Cutless deck when the Prince was revealed and released. I added him in for fun, and he is exactly that. There are some matches he is an advantage, some he I s a disadvantage...but definitely overall he makes draw consistency worse. And I fully expected that, and don't care. He makes choices more skill intensive and games a lot more varied, and I've been having a blast. I normally finish a month at either legend or diamond 5 depending on my mood that month, and have been stuck at platinum. And I am perfectly fine with that because it is a lot of fun. I've been playing card games since Magic was originally released. There is a reason that game was changed from its original 40 card decks to 60b and a reason why balancing your mana curve, deck thinning, and knowing how to use card selection/scy effects well is so integral to being a good player. But there are also reasons why formats like Commander are so fun, and the Prince makes Hearthstone (which already has Commander elements) feel more like that. And when you cue into a Prince mirror...best Hearthstone ever. But he definitely makes most decks worse. He is only remotely playable because stuff like Dredge or the new Findlay have been printed (card selection tools) He almost feels like a test; to see if a 40/40 format would work (either new format, or change to Wild). It would potentially add extra balance to a format that has reached a critical mass of cards that everything is just way to fast and consistent. Slow aggro down, make decks a little less consistent, small buffer against some OTKs. I think I'd welcome this.

[@Brisingrr_]

This video was so fun due to the conversation you were having with chat lol

[@IcePhoenixMusician]

I’ve made an aggro-tempo driven mill Druid with renathal and a lotta draw. It’s surprising how well it works… but I’m certain it still isn’t the best. Firestone isn’t on mobile, my main medium of play, so, I have a hard time keeping track of actual win rates. But so far, I’ve played 14 ish games, and I know I lost either 4-5 so a positive winrate.

[@lycona5296]

"You don't have to justify a card being good to add it to your deck, just play it and have fun!" - Roffle's true words of wisdom for playing wild. Some of my favorite cards in wild are distinctly bad, but are some of the most fun, like Lorewalker Cho and Classic ETC! :D

[@janveenstra2742]

God i loved fire plumes hearth back in the day. Played the deck even when it sucked. Loved it!!! Thinking of Just making this, even though i never play wild haha

[@amberlee4536]

He may not be playing Regis, but Regis is the one playing all the Renathal Rogue decks so every time Roffle sees one and gets confused by it I'm convinced it's Regis's fault

[@Oxfordbroski]

With this new card, how many restrictions are there? Highlander, even/odd, 40 card deck, shadow (priest benedictus). So my worst deck idea ever: 40 card odd highlander shadow quest (deathrattle one, though does it really matter which one?) priest

[@ethandomaki5496]

I think there's one thing that Roffle failed to mention in terms of Renathal. Besides the usually downside of worse cards in your deck, in games where fatigue and outlasting your opponent is the wincon, Renathal has an obvious advantage. The only reason you wouldn't factor this in is because of meta at the current rank you play at. To clarify, the rest of what he said is right, but I figure this is an extra niche that should be considered.

[@chester1882]

Ahhh, I have fond memories of this quest in its standard day. Nothing more satisfying than sniping a face that has 5-7 minions on it

[@silvsilvsilv]

Regarding deck size: Magic does not have an upper limit of cards, only a minimum. There's a reason not a single viable/competitive deck has ever had more than 60 cards (Battle of Wits decks excluded, insofar that deck could be considered viable).

[@davidy22]

I mean there's yorion which is a renathal sidegrade and there's control decks in magic with no direct synergy that go to 80 cards just to have an 8 card hand at the start of the game even when yorion is basically a vanilla 4/5

[@silvsilvsilv]

@@davidy22 Sorry I stopped playing Magic a few years ago. I didn't even know that card existed, but yeah that's pretty much my point: you need a damn good reason to increase your deck size.

[@antyseba5319]

I miss this so much. I want this to be playable so much again.

[@lukerowe4789]

Always laugh my head off at Roffles reply to chat

[@ILiekFishes]

The drawback of renathal: you have a 2/25 chance to topdeck the game winning psychic scream instead of a 2/15 chance The upside of renathal: you may not need a gamewinning psychic scream with the extra 10 health

[@StoryBearKuma]

I feel kind of crazy about this Renethal thing and there's something I really don't get. Unless I'm missing something about the meta for each deck being ungodly strict, isn't there cases of cards NOT being the literal best possible? Like, aren't some cards about equal and can be swapped, in which case adding both when possible should be fine? Maybe I'm imagining a more balanced meta than what exists right now, but I never see this idea addressed, it's like everyone talking about renethal agrees on the idea that every single deck contains the absolute best possible cards and any card outside it would ruin it.

[@beastfire7300]

But if 2 cards do the exact same thing, why would you want to run both? Unless the effect is really good, then you'd find space in a 30 card deck anyways.

[@johnnyray9107]

If you have a Reno deck with 30 cards, you're got a 1/30 chance to draw Reno (more if you count mulligan and the size of your starting hand) You play Reno decks to get the benefits of Zeph, Reno, Alex, Kaza, etc. At the cost of consistency (as a result of increased card variation.) A 40 card deck is less likely to draw the Reno cards that make your deck powerful. Otherwise, just play 2 copies of the best 12-14 nonlegendary cards and throw in the best legendaries.

[@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475]

In other card games such as ygo, having more cards than the minimum is 99 percent of the time detrimental, because it affects consistency and because you don’t want a lot of good cards, you build a deck around something and want to make it as consistent as possible and that requires to carry the minimum cards you can carry. If you need one specific card, having more cards in your deck makes it harder to draw, usually it would be 1/26 (in hearthstone at a starting hand) but if you had renathal your chances plummet to 1/36. Honestly it even feels weird for people to question the superiority of a small deck, I guess hearthstone players don’t know about this because they always had just 30, so they haven’t bothered as much with ratios and chances

[@xsas8731]

Considering the majority of people don't bother with deck building, it's not hard to imagine many don't understand why 10 extra cards can be bad. On the other side many do know, one reason why patches still sees play, just so they can run 29 instead of 30 card deck.

[@snowm4n41]

Interestingly, in modern yugioh having larger decks has become fairly common, since there is so much searching/tutoring/redundancy, and it lessens your chance to draw cards that you specifically do not want to draw (like how patches works)

[@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475]

@@snowm4n41 yes, there has been a trend with decks getting slightly bigger to avoid drawing garnets, however hearthstone is not nearly as search and combo focused as YGO so there is little way to use a bigger deck positively or to make the consistency loss negligible

[@lock_checker4342]

do you think you could play a control Druid deck Roffle? thanks!

[@zdibs]

@30:45 are you saying we need a new voice line? "I used to be a blood elf you know." ... now to get some evolve cards for Warrior.

[@Rolach]

Wouldn't make sense considering he's never been a blood elf.

[@mikef5951]

Twitch Chat: Overdrawing probably matters even less Roffle: No I wouldn't say that I'd say it matters about the same - if anything maybe it matters less?

[@NeighborhoodJackson]

Holy shit I'm literally playing a version of this deck while this shows up in my timeline

[@Kirby950]

Yeah! Modern rag quest deck, my favorite!

[@razvancraciunescu1936]

blood elf / night elf? -> 32:00 Isn't he a dreadlord? same as mal'ganis and Tichondrius, Varimathras, Balnazzar?

[@Rolach]

He's an Eternal One a being from the Shadowlands charged with overlooking Revendreth, he's also the one that made the dreadlords, or Nathrezim as is their original name.

[@hfs-lk5ip]

I LOVE THIS QUEST DECK!!!! WOULD WATCH MORE CONTENT ON IT

[@TempoSamurai]

thanks for the awesome content roffle!

[@dinger2384]

You should make a deck with as many start of game effects

[@goldenson4566]

I know Roffle spends a while talking about how the 40 card restriction is a downside and how the last 10 cards will “always” be worse than the first 30, but would it not be reasonable to counter by saying that the cards you add in those last positions could often be better than those main cards in certain matchups? If you’re up against a deck with little board presence, certain removal cards will be less valuable, and those will be the worst cards in your deck for that match. Obviously 40 cards will mean you can more often get screwed over by bad draws, and obviously you’d rather have only 30 cards in your deck for a lot of decks, but there are plenty of times where the cards you want in your deck are not the ones you have in that 30 card deck.

[@aro2866]

That's a matter of speech. One could argue that making a deck better at a few matchups at the cost of being worse at most matchups is still "always worse" as long you're thinking from the perspective of not having yet matched up. It's like asking if you'd rather take 1/4 or 1/2 win-or-lose bet. It's possible that a person who took the 1/4 won while a person who took the 1/2 lost, but taking the less likely is still "always" worse.

[@Jozz.]

These discussions are so funny

[@sator_project]

Just Shy of 500!?

[@Corvustyx]

Sire Denathrius, Ruler of Revendreth, was on the seat of the afterlife Pantheon in the Warcraft Universe, along with his sisters Kyrestia, The Winter Queen, and his brother The Primus. Sire Denathrius controls the realm of repentment, where any and all souls that lived a life of tyranny and cruelty go to be cleansed of their sins. The Sire struck a bargain with a twisted brother, banished by the other four, to deliver him anima (the souls of the souls of the dead) so that he may break free. Along with this, Denathrius sent his brother (the Primus) to the Maw (the realm of which unredeemable souls to languish for eternity) so his plans would go off without a hitch. He orchestrates a "drought" og the precious building blocks of the afterlife, Anima. Using souls as batteries, draining them all of amy anima they could possibly have. He is also the father of the Dread Lords, such as Mal'Ganis and Tichondrius and Lord Jaraxxus. To say he's evil is putting it lightly.

[@fenixrises9854]

Hey Roffle. Seeing you argue about the new card all video makes me want to weigh in as an off and on mtg player for over 20 years: you are absolutely right about the fact that adding extra cards to your deck can make it harder to then draw the cards you’re wanting to draw when you draw them. It’s purely mathematical. Sure the extra health can make a difference in some decks but the key word there is some. It’s basically a card that’s neither good nor bad all the time but there are times where you’d want to include it in a deck if the deck calls for it. Very situational but can have use on occasion. I hope this helped the argument as I’m sure some people don’t see that there could be a downside and there’s probably some people that don’t understand the point being made and are arguing against the wrong facts or thinking you’re trying to say something that you’re not. Also great video. I’ve had an odd taunt warrior for a while for fun so I might have to update it now 😉

[@DeathwingTV]

Oh you are still alive 😐

[@fenixrises9854]

@@DeathwingTV wtf does that mean?

[@dvaltvault5816]

hello roffle mister folle rofllye roflley man man man i enjoy your content i think its quite cool hanks for posting it!

[@sulilin2187]

obamna

[@itaiitai8960]

how do i get Fire Plume's Heart card the dust costs 1600 how do i get it in other way ?

[@mr.senkai574]

The one card that make sense to say more in the deck is better is aluneth. Which is useless if you don't find it / has been broken

[@xsas8731]

Why would you need more cards in an aluneth deck? Isn't the whole point of that card to draw your deck fast?

[@mr.senkai574]

@@xsas8731 you right in most deck drawing the key cards is a must. Except Aluneth deck have two problem the first one is to find those key cards. The second one is to dumps your hand. And so you have mostly draw cards and cheap stuff to dump. Making this deck draw faster with less key cards - > less cards' value. Where I am going is : 10 more do not make the value of the deck go down (kinda low from the start) and make you less worried for drawing to fast and lastly you have more key cards ( for the same ratio of dumping / key / drawing)

[@onetrickgirl]

I was here for this stream, it was fun!

[@time_keeper643]

I wonder if someday they will print a Renathal but with 20

[@chester1882]

Roffle playing the only fun quest Warrior again: Shiny and new!-ish

[@AmazingMrMe123]

A big part of renathal being bad is that he's a spider tank, adding 9 cards and a spider tank to your deck makes it consistently worse. I was thinking about how pirate quest wants to avoid drawing patches and ankarr so diluting with pirates seems okay, but it's actually. See usually, you have two bad draws out of thirty, which is 1/15 to draw patches or ankarr. With renathal you have three bad draws out of forty, 13.3333 chance to draw patches ankarr, or renathal. And you get 9 lower quality pirates.

[@calebgao6931]

Maybe add to the front to this deck to discount your hand and also amalgams to fill the nzoth pool quicker.

[@davidwijaya8563]

True... True..... And both cost 2

[@micahturner8297]

2 coat cards not super good for an ODD deck. Lol

[@calebgao6931]

@@micahturner8297 sure as if baku does any good for this deck. Putting baku into a deck where you rarely press hero power is a bad idea already, on top of this deck building restriction you even have to fit 10 extra cards, that's why roffle lost the first game, the petty 2 extra armor gain is completely irrelevant. If roffle jam down a nzoth on curve with full boards of minion that rogue stands no chance. Even and odd is only good for aggro.

[@nicolasoliveira5920]

Roffle, could you please play kingsbane rogue? 🤞🤞🤞

[@Khaostheory1980]

Roffle on fire in this one!

[@juanignaciososaaise1347]

When are we getting a Roffle exercise stream

[@afc9447]

i can smell lifecoach from that rogue, if you know what i mean :)

[@parkourse2457]

RENATHAAAAALLL edit: hope you recover from you back injury roffle!

[@squirtle8464]

All takes are hot takes when you are so handsome Roffle

[@connoringram4948]

Milling in hs is so much different than other card games. Hs is so simple it doesnt have a real graveyard so a milled card isnt a benefit like almost every other card game you also usually get to pick which card is discarded in other games but hs has a hand limit to even holdin cards. It kinda makes sense chat doesnt like to see milled cards cus they can never be recovered. Also the argument for your top card being the same as your bottom cards you dont draw doesnt make much sense since dredge is a thing. Your deck isnt random its shuffled in an order you dont know, in other games you can look at your top couple of cards and shuffle or manipulate your library were hs jus added this with dredge and the old tracking from hunter.

[@table2.0]

Here on the notification! Love your content!

[@chester1882]

Renathal - while polarising - will probably have at least one tier 2 or tier 1 deck.

[@raufm.2135]

So you are saying that you run odd warrior WITHOUT RATTLEGORE?!

[@boostioanamain2645]

I hope that for some new skins we get a RAFAAM skin for warlock or maybe rouge he would be so fun to play as

[@Zoopoz]

No armagedillo?

[@Kersakofu]

Viewer who hasn't played since Naxx: Am I in the wrong for thinking the new card should be in every deck? Viewer: No, the streamer is wrong for saying it's only in some decks.

[@vipuldass2318]

With renethal, priest quest is basically shit now?

[@evand2185]

Maybe the first opponent was regis, he's incapable of doing anything until the rope starts burning

[@evand2185]

lmfao chat said might be regis the moment i sent the first comment

[@patrykchylak9723]

How to copy code ?

[@redguywins4802]

10:45 Some ppl... are just good at this game.

[@jonathanreyes-tt7ws]

Dez Nutz have taunt. That makes me close enough to get ragnaros hero power.

[@darkhippo6222]

31:39 He might to be used to be a night elve, you know?

[@Rolach]

Nope, he was like that from the start.

[@valik7907]

Sire Denathrius is not an elf. he is a dreadlord created by the titans and he is the origin of all dreadlords and vampire like creatures in wow. also he is evil.

[@Rolach]

He's actually something called an Eternal One, created by the First Ones. You are correct about the dreadlords tho.

[@ht86]

It's not the size of your deck. It's how you use it.

[@PrinceKyuubi]

Maybe if i pulled brawl like roffle i would also be a good streamer :O

[@christoz77]

THE PRINCE will find its permanent place soon

[@williammartinsyay]

The true quest warrior

[@calvinkaplan7406]

7:50 roffle let this be a lesson that dead lifting is NOT worth it.

[@victor-jo7wt]

you look absolutely bonswoggled in the thumbnail

[@diegod2015]

the first game was torturous to watch...same lifecoach energy

[@SpecterVonBaren]

24:45 This is true but with one caveat which is, even if the card is technically worse, the primary effect of the card is needed in such a quantity that it's better to have another similar card. Priest has a lot of big board clear cards, Plague of Death and Whirlpool are extremely similar cards but Plague of Death is the better one, however, if all you cared about was just removing the minions on the board then one could look at it as adding two more copies of a card that says "destroy all minions". If you needed more board clears but still needed other cards for a win condition then in that case having 40 cards could, COULD, be better than 30. However, I don't think such a meta would be very likely to come about, it would require a very specific set of circumstances for that to be the case.

[@G.Aaron.Fisher]

World record number of cuts in the intro.

[@solamanhuq7780]

I'm feeling roffle's pain talking about 40 cards being a downside. It only makes sense if all cards were somehow equally viable. But they arent. Simple as that.

[@mautadolo9368]

Guff even screamed for him, guess hes a bit kinky as well 32:42

[@drumlineking07]

It's not the size of the deck, it's how you use it ;)

[@defrte]

Twitch chat: What is statistics ?

[@Fannalol]

uh oh Resolve did a little oopsie at 1:27

[@bronsonandcompany]

If people played a Renathal they would actually realize that what you are saying is not out there at all. If your deck is not build for it, it is an actual hindrance. I don't understand why it is difficult to comprehend.

[@anarmedillo8431]

Great video! I wish you'd edit out the opponent's turn better though. That rogue was infuriating. Actually painful to watch. I'd like to focus on your plays

[@CaseusPetram]

nice.

[@EnderPryde]

22:40 [About 40 cards being a downside compared to 30 cards because of reduced quality of cards] So... yes and no. Often times, with meta decks, things get whittled down to about 32-35 "best cards", with the last 2-5 being cut not because of quality decisions, but personal meta judgement. "I don't need a second Viper this meta, I'll cut it down to 1 this time, and instead take a Mutanis" - stuff of that ilk. In a similar fashion, cards which are functionally identical for the purposes of your deck can start to be considered, if those were cut for deck space issues. "Oh, I cut Lightning Storm because Elemental Destruction is a better overload payoff" - adding a pair of Lightning Storms will do similar jobs, so including them is not appreciably worse overall. So often, you'll easily be able to find at least a few cards that would have fit in the deck without impacting consistency, just from including duplicates of one-ofs that were cut, or just doubling up on cards that already effectively were included. That said, yeah. Those bottom 5 cards are going to be strictly worse overall, just becausd they're likely to be tech cards for matchups that... aren't happening right now.

[@EnderPryde]

(And then there's those weird edge case of actually decreasing the likelyhood of "garnets" - cards you absolutely need in your deck to function but never actually want to draw - but that's such an outlier I dunno if it's even worth discussing. Recruit warrior is not what I'd call "meta")

[@centor111]

Don't include a card if your justification is 'it helps against this one deck' unless the deck is more that 33% of your matchups. There is a difference between viper and other tech as well in that it is 1 mana to cycle. Also if you are struggling to fit the cards you want into a deck then your deck isn't streamlined or efficient to its goal. You should be getting to 25 and then thinking about what 5 filler cards you want. The only exception to this was like K&C/witchwood druid where you were trying to shove win conditions on top of your 20 card package.

[@filippomilan2656]

You fool Roffle! You assume my decks are composed of the 30 best cards, but in fact, I have to make space for useless jank by removing good cards, giving me 10 extra slots simply means that I will be able to include the good cards i removed in the first place, therefore transforming prince renathal in a pure upside by making my average draws better. Muahahahah

[@elhoim_3]

I'm with the guy who sad it would have been better if the prince would have the effect of 20 cards and 20 life