BYD BD11s Are COMING SOON To Routes 34, 141 & SL1 (New Arriva Orders EXPLAINED) London Bus Changes

[@OSCandLondonBuses]

Electrics for the routes 34 102 141 144 341 121 123: electroliners SL1: Enviro 400 Evs on arriva Which 319 is the only route that uses those buses Besides 50’s temporary allocation Until there’s 73 76 38 253 254 and all those over new routes maters

[@MostlyBuses1]

That's completely wrong. The 34, 141 and SL1 are getting BD11s, it's literally in the video you've just commented on... The 102, 141, 144 and 123 aren't out yet so no one knows if they'll be getting electrics. The 243 and 341 are getting BZLs. The 319 does use Enviro 400 EVs but they aren't the temporary allocation of the 50, that's just rares. The NBFL routes are staying though.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I saw some images of BYD11's with different bodywork spec, both for Superloop and standard routes, none with windowed staircase specification so far and I gotta say.. They're even worse looking than the promo mules. Such a shame they're being ordered in such large numbers. I really hope Abellio Transport UK and Arriva South London opts for either Enviro 400 EV or Yutong U11DD's. Quite possibly the worst looking double deckers I have seen in over a decade. I would rather BYD used SRM bodies.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Was it the ones in China with the single decker for GAL in it as well?

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I think them getting rid of the black at the front makes it look a bit better and tbh it's starting to grow on me slightly. I think TUK will stick to Wright though

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks the SRM / NRM bodies are already overused tbh. I do like them but I would prefer something new

[@Da_Samosa]

@@MostlyBuses1the wright electroliner is another option and I am 100% confident transport UK will stick with the electroliner and might even get the hydroliner. TUK seems to prefer wright over other companies and I can’t agree more, the buses are quick and brake well. Perfect for routes like the 111.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@Da_Samosa Yeah TUK have stuck with ADL in the past and I think they'll continue sticking to Wright just like GAL did with the E400 EVs until recently

[@Spiderboy-dv2lf]

YESSS 34 is my main bus since I live near arnos Grove

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@Spiderboy-dv2lf that's the first time I've heard of someone being excited by BD11s coming soon lol

[@naijiktom]

The 34 is my local route and I use the SL1 frequently as well, so I'm looking forward to this. Hopefully they'll have the high backed seats.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@naijiktom They definitely will have high back seats and all the other features of the high spec interior like a new digital iBus, USBs etc

[@naijiktom]

​@MostlyBuses1 Nice. Also, could the 34 actually run a service on to St James's Street if it runs onto there anyway?

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@naijiktom Yeah it probably could. I'm guessing the reason why it goes there not in service is because the Superloop was put together in a rush they didn't have time to consult on it or something.

[@transportenthusiasticboy]

If SL1 is getting electrics where are the E400 MMC city hybrids are gonna go ?

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@transportenthusiasticboy It's not announced yet but I'm guessing they'll be used to retain or win a route. They were actually meant for the W3 but I don't think they would send them to WN since the W3 already has hybrids

[@transportenthusiasticboy]

@ oh

[@OmarZamel-pv7ig]

I saw a BD11 testing on route 321 today near lewisham station

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@OmarZamel-pv7ig Nice!

[@MostlyBuses1]

Oh and Metroline have ordered BD11s too. Video coming soon

[@LondonEnthusiastNerd-Transport]

That's very cool.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@LondonEnthusiastNerd-Transport yeah

[@LondonEnthusiastNerd-Transport]

@@MostlyBuses1 mhm

[@LimePlays-j2h]

Will watch that! 😊

[@LB141toPalmersGreen]

For what routes

[@MohammedboufaslovesTFLForever]

so is 66/103/329/370 are getting wright gemini 3 mark 2s from tottenham (AR) and Palmers green (AD)

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MohammedboufaslovesTFLForever yes. All of AR's Mk2s are going to GY so I'm guessing AD's Mk2s will go to WN for the 329

[@zfs.59]

@@MostlyBuses1nah AD’s MK2s are allocated to the 102 so they’re staying put. There will be enough of AR’s MK2s from the 243 and 341 to go to the 66/103/329/370

[@MohammedboufaslovesTFLForever]

@@zfs.59 ture

[@TESL1.10]

2:15 aaaa stop getting so close to my local bus stop 😂

[@MostlyBuses1]

lol

[@KevinPople]

When are the Volvo B5LH going to Arriva Barking To Be Used on 150 175 Routes

[@MostlyBuses1]

When the BD11s arrive

[@SahalandAisha]

Thanks for sending this video

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@SahalandAisha np

[@TESL1.10]

best garage 0:08 I'm definitely not biased lol

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@TESL1.10 lol

[@AG_Buses]

There is a SL2 which it does NOT have the superloop branding on it!😭 Edit: I saw it at North Woolwich Ferry yesterday

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@AG_Buses Yeah that's HA17. It's strange that that one isn't branded but it's nice to have it.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@AG_Buses the SL2 clip at the end was filmed on the first day (the one when everyone including me stormed that DW lol)

[@AG_Buses]

@@MostlyBuses1 its nice for SL5 to get electric double deckers tho:)

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@AG_Buses yeah it gets so busy now.

[@Londonbuses252]

So Bad!

[@MostlyBuses1]

At least the hybrids will be reused

[@LimePlays-j2h]

​@@MostlyBuses1yeah 👍

[@Londonbuses252]

​@@MostlyBuses1 Yes!

[@That1Ray]

That will leave 102 with the 66 reg HVs maybe

[@zfs.59]

Yes, the 102 is expected to carry on with the ex-19 66 reg HVs until 2026

[@MostlyBuses1]

I wonder if BD11s will stray on the 102

[@naijiktom]

I'm wondering if the 102 is too long a route to run EVs. The same problem suggested with the SL7.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@naijiktom Electrics can do the SL7 now sadly. It's been confirmed to be going electric and it's not being cut as was proposed. It's a shame as iirc TfL said they would've allowed it to be awarded with new hybrids instead of electrics, but that was last year

[@zfs.59]

⁠@@MostlyBuses1wait GAL and TFL agreed initially on ordering brand new hybrids for the SL7??? Would’ve been nice to see 73/24/25 reg hybrids in service and if the SL7 got brand new hybrids, I think new MMCs would’ve been ordered even tho GAL stopped getting them after the 197/208 were won.

[@shubhamuprit]

Is germini 2 b5lh buses going to be scrapped?

[@MostlyBuses1]

Yes. I think some of Arriva's have already gone and they won't be sold to other companies since they're hybrids

[@shubhamuprit]

​@@MostlyBuses1 they can't scrap germini 2 coz it's hybrid Since wright electrocity got suspended in 2016 and got scrapped

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@shubhamuprit they can because the 13 reg will be 15 years old soon

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@shubhamuprit Yeah the Electricity and the hybrid DEs and Tempos were scrapped because they were early hybrids and I guess they were unreliable

[@zfs.59]

@@MostlyBuses1yeah the 133’s batch of 09/60/11 reg HVs were withdrawn and presumably have been scrapped. HV1-9; HV19; HV21-24; HV26; HV29/31 have all been withdrawn and presumably scrapped as there’s no news on where those withdrawn HVs have headed after leaving BN so I presume it’s been scrapped especially the 09 regs.

[@AG_Buses]

Great observations bro!👌

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@AG_Buses thanks!!

[@ahuman9143]

I hope the 14 reg G3's get the refurb that ENL111/112 got, to fully get rid of that awful orange/red Stagecoach interior

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@ahuman9143 I wonder if they'll even get a refurb since they already have the Arriva moquette and Arriva have already moved on to the G3s from 2017/18. I still prefer the Stagecoach interior though.

[@zfs.59]

the 14 reg HVs have already been refurbished between 2020-2021, they’ve got Arriva seats and have been repainted to a fresh red paint that’s still intact but still got orange poles and they won’t be receiving another refurb as they’re going to the 3 year contracts on the 150/175. The other newer 17/67 HVs going to the 66/103/329/370 will be refurbished and some of Tottenham’s HVs have already been refurbished

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@zfs.59 It's sad AR's HVs haven't been refurbished like the ones at N.

[@zfs.59]

@@MostlyBuses1yeah I agree man, would’ve been so good to see LED blinds on the GY routes

[@ahuman9143]

@@MostlyBuses1 The Arriva interior is just brighter and less tacky than the Red/Blue Stagecoach one, its a shame Stagecoach didn't use their green hybrid interior when they first got these

[@TESL1.10]

0:08 ay how did you go there I wanna go there too 5 min walk from home 😵

[@MostlyBuses1]

I didn't go in, I wouldn't trespass for a bus video lol

[@TESL1.10]

@@MostlyBuses1 the little road next to it is also part of the bus garage (kinda)

[@MostlyBuses1]

​@@TESL1.10Oh

[@cooldude12-q9b]

This feels very unnecessary since these vehicles were really good on 34/141/SL1 Is 102 getting them?

[@MostlyBuses1]

Yeah the ex Stagecoach Gemini 3 Mk1s are fantastic buses. It makes sense since Arriva were able to retain the 66, 150, 175, 370 and 329 with the hybrids coming off the 34, 243, 141 and 341 and will probably use the HAs off the SL1 for something.

[@MostlyBuses1]

The 102 isn't getting them

[@TESL1.10]

0:41 dammm that's good you know

[@MostlyBuses1]

Yeah it's great that Arriva are reusing their hybrids and it's good because now while the 243, 341, 34 and 141 are releasing Gemini 3s, more routes will be saved from converting to electric since the routes at AD and AR have high PVRs

[@TESL1.10]

@@MostlyBuses1 ye

[@PGATProductions]

1:22 why did they place the tiles like that

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@PGATProductions yeah I was wondering that too when I went there

[@ms_1931]

Surprised that 150/175 are getting ex SC 14 regs instead of frogfaces seeing as there’s enough frogfaces from 34/141/243/341 for the 66/103/150/175/329/370, I guess the rest of the frogfaces can be used to fully convert the 123 and maybe convert the 102 fully and withdraw the G2s.

[@MostlyBuses1]

Yeah it's good that they aren't throwing them away after this though. I think it's smart that the 150 and 175 are getting them since iirc they're on 3 year contracts so can use the 14 plates. I would rather they use older buses on 3 year contracts too.

[@MostlyBuses1]

I hope they'll be able to win / retain a route with the hybrids. Maybe the 102 or 123 like you said

[@ms_1931]

@@MostlyBuses1 Yeah true that does make more sense tbf. I’m guessing if DX will lose the 150/175 at the end of the 3 year contract seeing as they can’t get electrics probably lose them to SC or GAL. SL2 will 100% be lost as SL routes have to be retained with electrics, I could see SL2 going to SC from LI.

[@ms_1931]

@@MostlyBuses1 They could go to DT aswell.

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@ms_1931 oh I didn't know DX couldn't take electrics. That's sad that they'll be closing then. I hope the hybrids go somewhere like DT and hopefully they keep the 65 plate Ts as well.

[@OmarZamel-pv7ig]

DAMMMMM 28 PVR FOR THE 141 THATS PACKEDDDD

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@OmarZamel-pv7ig Yeah. It is deserved though since the 141 is really busy

[@OmarZamel-pv7ig]

@@MostlyBuses1 Also go ahead and metroline have ordered BD11s they are so over ordered

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@OmarZamel-pv7igThey aren't ordering them as much as the old E400 EVs (yet) but tbh I don't mind operators spamming Electroliners since I quite like them

[@TheMidlandsTransportGuy]

Pftt the operators storming the BD11 but not buying the new E400EV

[@mozmateus]

The BD11 is much cheaper I believe that's why Arriva bought that instead

[@MostlyBuses1]

​Yeah I can't believe there's only 1 confirmed order for the new E400 EVs

[@MostlyBuses1]

​@@mozmateusYeah that would make sense

[@zfs.59]

@@MostlyBuses1there’s rumours that the new E400EVs have been ordered for the 131/320, I hope so as they’d suit both routes

[@MohammedboufaslovesTFLForever]

@@zfs.59 i hope they will get BYD enviro 400 EVs

[@TESL1.10]

1:09 yh why is that??

[@MostlyBuses1]

It's like how the 223 was extended to Harrow View to make space for the SL10. Sadly, the 367 got cut back to that desolate stop in West Croydon (Delta Point) so that the SL7 could stand at West Croydon.

[@TESL1.10]

@@MostlyBuses1 aw

[@javellsuktransport3588]

is not just MK1s are going to DX for route 150 and 175 MK2s are going to DX aswell for route 150 and 175 and MK1s will go to GY for the mix allocation of route 66/103/370 and possibly 329 aswell along with the MK2s

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@javellsuktransport3588 I thought it was just the Mk1s going to DX. The Mk2s are for the GY routes and the 329

[@ahuman9143]

It would make more sense to keep the batches separate and the 150/175 getting the older hybrids for their shorter contracts (which will hopefully be retained after 3 years)

[@javellsuktransport3588]

@@MostlyBuses1 yeah but still MK2s are going to DX aswell not just GY and 329. MK1s will make an appearance for GY routes and 329

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@javellsuktransport3588 but like ahuman said, it doesn't make sense for Gemini 3 Mk2s to go to DX when there's enough Mk1s

[@javellsuktransport3588]

@@ahuman9143 what about newer hybrids for route 150/175 aswell

[@Mys2kaAviationZaynnin]

Tf was LK65BYX HA1 doing on SL1? 😂 Edit: That was when I went to Walthamstow

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@Mys2kaAviationZaynnin I'm pretty sure that's a spare or something. Not sure why it hasn't been wrapped though since it's been in service on the SL1 since day one, but it's nice to have HA1 on the SL1.

[@zfs.59]

@@MostlyBuses1HA1 I think it’s a hybrid spare and enabled to go on the 34/102/141 but I don’t think they’re blinded as the SL1/SL2 HAs just had inserts added for the SL1/SL2 to be added and not fresh blindsets. The SL2’s HAs still have Brixton (BN)’s blinds such as the 19, 50, 59, 133, 319, 333 and then the SL2 but don’t have the 150/175 blinded and the SL1’s HAs still have Ash Grove (AE)’s blinds such as the 78, 106, 254 and then SL1 but don’t have the 34/102/141 blinded as they’re old blindsets especially the 65 reg which have old style number and destination blinds as the ‘254’ number looks very thin. The 65 reg HAs have actually only done the 254 a few times, a couple of times in 2015/2016 then just a few times between 2017-2021, once in 2022/23 and then again in 2024 for refurb floats

[@shubhamuprit]

29 buses is going to have some changes?

[@MostlyBuses1]

I'm pretty sure it's in the 2025-26 tendering program so yes it's probably getting electrics

[@shubhamuprit]

Nooo 😫😭😢 i will miss the germini 2 b5lh I used to take 29 to school everyday

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@shubhamuprit me too. I love G2 hybrids and I really like the green blinds

[@zfs.59]

the 29 was retained in January 2020 and has reportedly had a 2 year extension taking the current contract with the 13 reg HVs until January 2027 so don’t worry you’ve got plenty of time with the 29 and it’s Gemini 2s. Otherwise the 29’s tender would’ve been announced by now as routes like the 99/269/401/422 which have tender dates in January 2025 were already announced months ago. The 29, 301, 335 and 432 will likely be the last Arriva routes to have Gemini 2 Hybrids as the 133/333 were lost earlier this year in January, 50 is going electric, 141 is going electric and the 144’s tender result is pending as it uses a small amount of 62/13 reg HVs and will likely be retained with newer hybrids such as the 65 reg HAs.

[@MostlyBuses1]

That's great that the 29 is keeping its HVs!

[@shubhamuprit]

102 & 144 will the eletric?

[@MostlyBuses1]

No, not yet

[@zfs.59]

⁠102 is keeping its current 66 reg HVs and the 144’s tender hasn’t been announced

[@shubhamuprit]

​@@zfs.59 ok

[@JackThomas-y9m]

Arriva are taking alot of routes jeez

[@MostlyBuses1]

They already had the 34, 141 and SL1

[@zfs.59]

Tbf Arriva took a battering for a while up until recently. They lost the 133/333, lost the 78 and 242 too but have recently gained the 196/SL6 and retained a lot of other routes

[@jasonbusred3297]

where is SL7 video where is SL7 videos

[@TESL1.10]

1:14 oh 😂

[@MostlyBuses1]

Yeah it's a shame it can't go to St James Street in service, even if it ran direct. I guess the Superloop was planned quickly so it makes sense

[@MinionRBX4]

These buses are getting worse I can't lie, also what if they rebuild the old buses and make them look for future (charging ports, seats ECT)

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MinionRBX4 That's actually what Arriva (and TUK) have been doing down in south London (Norwood specifically). The 468's HVs have been retrofitted with USBs, Wood effect flooring, LED blinds and the future spec iBus which is absolutely amazing! For some reason though, Arriva London North have not been adding these features on AR's refurbed HVs...

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MinionRBX4 TUK have been installing LED blinds and wood effect flooring to their E400 MMCs at QB, but sadly most of them don't have USBs and none have the future spec iBus, so they're much worse imo

[@MinionRBX4]

@@MostlyBuses1 Well i do like the e400 mmcs and by the time im 18 ill hope to drive one (4 years) and im glad they added it the HVs but what abt the great DWs

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MinionRBX4 in 4 years you'll only have 2 or less to drive the remaining E400 MMC SHs. Luckily we know the 25 is confirmed to be using them until 2030 so you could drive that route

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MinionRBX4 The DWs would've had their last refurbs a long time ago and the youngest DWs will be gone in 3 years anyway

[@platinumturret]

oh no. oh no. oh no no no no no.

[@MinionRBX4]

0:29 why are the hybrids even going 0:40 this is so stupid these routes already have new buses

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MinionRBX4 Yeah it's a shame that hybrids are leaving so early but I don't mind too much since there are 5 routes going electric (243, 341, 34, 141 and SL1) but their hybrids will be used to keep the 66, 103, 150, 175 and 370, so if you think about it that means more routes will stay unelectrified

[@MinionRBX4]

@@MostlyBuses1 Alright then thats some good news

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MinionRBX4 Yeah. It means I'll avoid a few routes in Central London which is ok since there are hybrid alternatives and it means I can continue taking hybrids on more routes than before

[@MinionRBX4]

@@MostlyBuses1 alright, keep updating us! I really good the e400mmcs and hybrids wont go

[@MostlyBuses1]

@@MinionRBX4 Sadly the 20 plate MMCs on the 405, 270 and 425 are already being replaced though. They'll probably be used again but probably won't make it past 2030.

[@YellowDogDespiser]

London buses are thoroughly damaged by these Chise Trash vehicles,Bad bye ,TFL. I prefer Paris and Moscow transit.

[@MostlyBuses1]

Why exactly would they be damaged though? Would passenger numbers start to decrease once people realize these routes are now using Chinese built buses? I don't think so...

[@Bus-just-select-MAN]

@MostlyBuses1 Why brexit?Why UK has sold too many its vehicle_brands? It is a shame for British industry.