刀圣,你的视频看了很久了,这次第一次留言。我和你不太一样,但又很多共鸣。我所在的地方,教会更像是一个socialise的地方。我在教会里长大,甚至读了神学,但是让我真正离开的就像你说的。在学神学的时候我们也要学希腊语,那时候我才认识到我所读的圣经原本的信息有时和翻译差别好大。但是真正让我离开的,是在我真正了解基督教的哲学理念以后,再看我本地教会的sermon,发现他们根本没有正确的解读圣经。并且,那些在教会的人根本没有按照圣经里说的生活。这种撕裂感忽然让我认识到教会只一个人类的产物,和基督教哲学(我觉得这算是一类哲学)无关。Once I realised the disconnect between the acutal theology and the reality of the church, it was easy to leave the church. Because the church is just some sort of hobby group, like knitting or alcohol anonymous. I don't consider myself a Christian anymore, but I still hold some parts of the Christian believes such as their view on love and hope. What's ironic is that once you leave you realise how close circuit some of the views and arguements are, 真正的逻辑闭环,而且怎么拉都拉不出来。但是这有点像站在此山中那样,在闭环里的人根本无法跳出来。我姥姥现在都被洗脑的有点妖魔化了,就是因为对圣经解读的不同,所以她很容易接受一些以圣经为逻辑基点完全不正确的观点。如果flat earth也在中文社区很popular的话,我丝毫不会怀疑我姥姥也会相信他们的鬼话。我妈妈一直是一个很理智的人,但是在信阳上我拉不动她。但是我也不拉她了, 知道她不把自己的价值观强加在我身上,随便她信什么吧。I'm glad church brings her comfort and keeps her company when I'm far away. Anyways 乱七八糟说了一堆,谢谢你做了这期视频。
I am a Christian and I have gone through a similar analysis too, but definitely not as extensive, rigorous, and organized. I appreciate your clarity and very fair and strong reasoning. The one thing I would point out that the part you described as a circular reasoning of our faith I think might be missing one thing. My personal experience with God, which you also mentioned about how you explained how things happened to you when you were inside the Christian matrix, is something subjective but real to me. Many believers, including myself, stopped accepting that it is mere circular reasoning when we have such experiences. But since these are subjective and not likely repeatable or can be demonstrated like a scientific experiment, I guess you can challenge them as some kind of superstition. And I would not argue that. It's just that these experiences do affirm what I understand the Bible is saying. I totally agree with you that we are all on a journey towards finding and understanding truth. It is a pity that many people in churches are like Lucy, which lacks the knowledge and ability to engage a thinker like you. But I praise God that her sincere love, even her inadequate knowledge, has led to your exploration. These very thoughtful videos are very helpful to others with similar struggles. Thank you!
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I love your explain and I also think so, I also think a lot but nothing influence I love our lord because I really feel his love
The fact that she's a mortal shows that she has her own agendas. The Lord never needed followers, but it's the mortals in the human realm that needed funding and tithing. May the Holy Spirit and the Creator be with you, but for those mortals who have not undergone reflections and spiritual revelations, I hope they grow and cultivate their spirit over their flesh so that they do not get cast down to Hell even if they seem to be Christians..