C919 vs MC21: Which NEWCOMER is BETTER?

[@AKMaxFlightsTravel]

MC-21 no doubt

[@oneskyflyer]

AK Max Flights & Travel Thanks for your comment. Yep, the MC21 is a great aircraft, with higher performance. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@Imbreadtt]

@Anna Ruth Cabotaje r/ihadastroke

[@a55tech]

better aircraft. in terms of sales, will also depend on govt orders so hard to tell which will sell more

[@xianshuwang2028]

Arj21 is selling so well right now. A total of 21 were sold last year. As long as it keeps flying with safe record, you just cannot bet against a flourishing country of 1.4 billion people and 500 million middle-class earners.

[@ozsharpener]

COMAC is using ARJ21 as a starting point to spread the support network to airports nation wide in China. That will ensure their product adopting airlines can truly run ARJ21 and C919 as day-to-day businesses as the flight frequency of civilian jets is very high. As reported the Russians failed to do so to support their international customers on SSJ-100 probably because of excessive running costs or lack of experience running such support network. If they can't make it on MC-21 the product will fail too as Russia's domestic market is not big enough.

[@domovoy9301]

Long single piece wing has great potential. If PD-14 pans out this may make economies of MC21 hard to ignore. Will book flight at first opportunity.

[@yours_sincerely48]

MC21 is something to look forward to. With a larger cabin width...more passenger comfort, passenger would love it. I hope Irkut will come out with MC21XLR for transcontinental range. It is way bearable in a wider cabin, not so claustrophobic. C919 is the same with A320, nothing spectacular. Dimension wise is the same.

[@marpagapal3312]

The mc-21 is undoubtedly a better aircraft but COMAC has a better chance to become a player on the global market.

[@dannybarcenas9701]

Yup.. $30M Longer Rage & wider Body + more powerful Pratt & Whitney Engines

[@chiragchaudhuri1948]

The MC-21 is clearly the winner in terms of class but the C919 can also give a tough competition to the Airbus and Boeing duopoly in this segment.

[@oneskyflyer]

Chirag Chaudhuri Thanks for your comment. Yep, the MC21 is actually a really impressive aircraft when it comes to performance, while the C919 is a lower end aircraft. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@MrNeptunebob]

@@oneskyflyer Agree about MC 21 but the COMAC is going to be the leading aircraft in China, where Boeing and Airbus will lose their sales. Plus, MAX is grounded in China, at least the C919 is allowed to fly there.

[@oneskyflyer]

Robert Connor Thanks for your comment. Well the C919 isn’t allowed to ferry passengers yet as it has yet been certified. Once done, the C919 will hopefully be a reliable aircraft. The Max will hopefully be allowed to fly soon. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@MrNeptunebob]

@@oneskyflyer But will MAX return? It seems that if the only problem is a computer program (MCAS) why isn't the plane reprogrammed and the problem solved long ago? I think it is suspicious that it has taken a year and still not flying. I want Boeing to succeed but what could possibly be taking so long?

[@w8stral]

??? No one gives a Shit about cabin width. $$$/Seat/distance. C919 has no more seats, but has more drag. Same goes for MC-21. Why would anyone buy this? Short haul, no one cares about the passenger comfort. Especially not the passengers as these are almost all economy class seats/customers being filled and only thing they care about is $$$.

[@ramil90]

C919 must have a russian PD-14 turbofans option ;)

[@obaidullahsujon6122]

of course MC-21. Because Russia has a long experience of making planes. World largest aircraft, Antonov AN - 225, made by Russia.

[@chokeassracing]

Actually the An-225 is Ukrainian now, but to be fair it was Soviet

[@TheThaimeth]

@@chokeassracing Antonov Russian designer was transported together with his office from Novosibirsk to Kiev, what does Ukraine have to do with it?

[@chokeassracing]

@@TheThaimeth Eh that’s true, just sayin that Antonov is *technically* Ukrainian but since it was of Soviet origin and Russia succeeded the USSR legally, it’s also Russian

[@explorechina4706]

An-225 is from Ukraine

[@TheThaimeth]

@@explorechina4706 Antonov turned over in his coffin after learning that he was a Ukrainian

[@neilpickup237]

It would appear that delays in getting them to market have left only one advantage - the wider cabin. However, as nice as this is for the passenger, experience tells me that increasing seat pitch is more benificial. If cabin width was really so important, shouldn't the A320 have killed off the 737?

[@IndonesiaMajapahitNDPCA]

Merpati Airlines (an airline from Indonesia) also placed orders on the Irkut MC-21

[@stradivarioushardhiantz5179]

C919 has 3.9m cabin width, while MC-21 has 3.8m compare to other single aisle cabin width; A320 family has 3.7m 737 series has 3.5m Avro RJ has 3.4m A220 family has 3.3m SSJ-100 has 3.2m An-148/158 has 3.1m E-2 variant has 2.7m 🛫🛫🛫🛫🛫🛫🛫🛫

[@oneskyflyer]

Stradivarious Hardhiantz Thanks for your comment. Yep, the new aircraft have wider cabins than older generation, though the A320neos cabin isn’t bad for the segment. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@oneskyflyer]

incendie21 Thanks for your comment. Force I think not, though the government will provide huge subsidies for airlines that choose to buy the aircraft. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@sandstorm17]

757?

[@alexlo7708]

@incendie21 From list Russian aviation also put orders for their pwn plane.

[@JacobMaleh]

@incendie21 As an aviation enthusiast I hope everyone succeeds.

[@horizoncomputer3615]

You are right

[@xxtegamerxxroblox9843]

Competition is paramount we desperately need this aircrafts in the air

[@alexandernorman5337]

True, competition is always a good thing.

[@nikobelic4251]

I agree, unfortunately though these planes will probably only compete within their respective countries. Internationally there will still be a duopoly. Airbus and Boeing get tons of attention and pre orders from airlines around the world. These planes haven’t gotten as much attention on the international scale. It’s too bad these planes look pretty interesting.

[@chinalad1049]

I don't know any other airline that has the altimeter gauge that's four-times bigger than any other or even what a crash meter certainty gauge is. I will never chance to fly ever, even if for free. Just heard they provide air insurance claims forms for free, postage paid for the delivery, chinese air mail only for 😉 days and is no

[@jych-db5iy]

good luck for both!

[@ozsharpener]

The one which can have a bigger market will be a clear winner with no doubt because the sales will allow more frequent product improvements. Also the support network is critical to run these passenger jets. The more support facilities the lower running cost and the greater customer satisfaction. That already quickly identifies the winner. The ultimate winner is always the better one.

[@morgensternphilipp895]

Please do a video on the CR929!

[@oneskyflyer]

Morgenstern Philipp It’s coming soon! Do stay tuned to the channel for that one and for other great videos on the way :)

[@impossiblex4716]

Looking forward to future Chinese and Russian planes

[@quick4130]

c919 has the largest local market... so ，the comparison is over！

[@vladimirnikolskiy]

Yes, it is, but I think both cars will be in demand. The decisive word will be the level of technical support.

[@andreyg.2388]

MC21 is better... so, the comparison is over!

[@ChristIsKing4ever-l9w]

MC-21 in my opinon

[@Code3forever]

You presented a good video. Since the Boeing 737 MAX debacle and learning the leadership of Boeing was aware of the problems with the MCAS System, I don't care if Boeing sells another jet. This was not an honest mistake, this was deliberate greed where 346 people died. Both COMAC and Irkut make a good jet. It would be good to see both companies enter the market. The COMAC C919 is less expensive to get into but still offers good economy. It could fly across the US and possibly from Los Angeles to Honolulu. If COMAC can guarantee service and parts, I believe it should be able to do well in the US market. China is now capable of producing a safe and reliable jet and with a cheaper price tag than Boeing, AIrbus and Irkut, it might be enough to sway those airlines who use medium range single aisle planes. Most airlines would probably want at least a 3,000 NM range. With healthy competition, these manufacturers can build good and safe aircraft and possibly even Boeing, once they clean house with all who were involved in the MAX mess.

[@oneskyflyer]

Code3Forever Thanks for your comment. I do believe that Boeing would have learnt their mistake and design aircraft that we trust. Hopefully Comac will be able to break into the market with their new aircraft. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@johnapia2]

I perfectly agree with you. I was going to say they should merge before you said it. Embraer and Bombardier could have done the same thing but then they got swallowed Comac and MC21 could work with Honda or Mistubishi. I'm a huge fan of Boeing and Airbus but I strongly believe in a healthy competition

[@Selvariabell]

I HIGHLY DOUBT the Japanese manufacturers would partner with COMAC, given that the two countries don't get along, and COMAC is government-owned.

[@trezapoioiuy]

The problem is that Boeing doesn't seem to believe in a healthy competition.

[@sidahmedghomri9185]

Me personally I prefer the irkut mc21 but the problem is the training of pilots on a new aircraft and that's can be more expensive

[@oneskyflyer]

sidahmed ghomri Thanks for your comment. Yep the MC21 is one of the best airplanes in its class, but A320neo and 737 is still cheaper to operate overall and offer similar performance. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@sidahmedghomri9185]

@@oneskyflyer but I think the mc21 has a great future and I think UAC should another version with more range and seats capacity to compete with all the A320 and 737 family

[@WWERULES001]

@@oneskyflyer where did you get these facts from? And thst there cheaper to operate? This only holds true if an airline holds the same type of sub fleet

[@AbcAbc-ox6pg]

If I see one of these I can't tell the difference. They look so similar.

[@oneskyflyer]

They do indeed... both look different though from the Airbus and Boeing. Thanks for tuning in!

[@ibrahimmakumba9448]

I agree they need to form a joint venture and come up with the best fuel efficient engine + more carbon fiber fuselage ie light aircraft, fuel efficiency and high cabin pressure Otherwise it will be very difficult for them to break A/B duopoly

[@oneskyflyer]

Ibrahim Makumba Thanks for watching. Yep, Airbus managed to break into the industry only with innovation, and thus these two companies will have to deliver new aircraft with new technologies not found on any other aircraft that would make their product unique. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@wilburfinnigan2142]

ibramim The problem is all are relying on the same engine manufacturers, PW & CFM and all engines will be about as efficient, and it will come down to the plane design of the plane for any efficiency advantage and BOTH Boeing and scarebus have the advantage due to the length of their building planes !!!!

[@chingweixion621]

Let's see how CRAIG 929 turns out...

[@oneskyflyer]

Wilbur Finnigan Thanks for your comment. Yep the current technology is mainly down to the engines with no real gain on the airframe side. Thus, it wouldn’t make real sense for Boeing to launch a new single aisle now. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@alexandernorman5337]

Actually, you want a *low* cabin pressure for comfort. One of the selling points of the MC-21 is that they are offering a 6,000ft elevation equivalent cabin pressure. Most airliners use 8,000ft. And, if you don't live high in the mountains, you really feel that change.

[@xianshuwang2028]

You can manufacture a superior product, but if it cannot sell, why make it in the first place?

[@chrismckellar9350]

My preference is the MC21. Unfortunately neither COMAC or Irkut (UAC/United Aircraft Corporation) do not have comprehensive global spares, engineering and logistics support networks like Airbus and Boeing has, limiting the amount of global buyers.

[@chingweixion621]

Hence if the design is really good, maybe airbus would buy up the program in the future?

[@chrismckellar9350]

@@chingweixion621 - They have the A220 programme that can be developed further either as a 6 abreast single A320/A321 replacement.

[@chingweixion621]

@@chrismckellar9350 the A220 at best can be stretched to fit 200pax max. Or it's max possible competitor is the B737max8-200. Stretching further will result in long turnaround time and for short haul operations, that is not a good thing. Airbus will still need to find or develop a replacement for the A321neo and the A321XLR by the end of the next decade.

[@onlineo2263]

@@chingweixion621 they have been modelling stretching the a220 to 500,700,900 & 1000 varients. What this means for passenger number I don't know. But I would guess at 180,210,240, and 270 if sold as single class (of which the largest one or two may not be available in single class, to minimise escape doors needed). I expect them to keep the 5 abreast layout. I expect the larger varients to replace the a321xlr if they ever get built. So they will be predominantly on 3-8 hour flights.

[@chingweixion621]

@@onlineo2263 you do know that at 200pax with 5 abreast, it is already 40 rows or the length of the A321. This is probably the 700 variant that you're talking about. It will take just as long to turnaround the aircraft as the larger A321. Unless airbus considers squeezing in 6 abreast, otherwise the most the A220 can be stretched is to accommodate 200pax. This would already involve major modifications to the landing gear to avoid tail strike during take off rotation. Any further are just pure speculation. For a matter of perspective, 270pax in single class means 54row or equivalent to the length of an A350-900 but a single aisle... That is a very long and thin flying stick...

[@L33tSkE3t]

I thought Russia and China ended up deciding to jointly design a series of CR929 Jets and they have run into a lot of issues, mostly Chima demanding all IP be handed over to them

[@ПавелКрот-х5ы]

That's a different story. CR929 is supposed to be a long-range airliner, while mc-21 and c919 are medium-ranged

[@eliasdircie6268]

MC-21 Of Course

[@koreanphish2939]

International market the MC21 wins. C919 will be a formidable force in China's domestic market but I don't think it will do as well as the MC21 in the international market.

[@weixiaoli6158]

international market is monopolized by Boeing and airbus,mc21 has no market.,if you are a buyer. why not buy Boeing or Airbus?

[@WWERULES001]

@@weixiaoli6158 because mc21 will be cheaper. You can rent three aircraft for the price of one a320

[@weixiaoli6158]

@@WWERULES001 It wont get certificates from FAA and EASA，it means that no airlines company will buy MC21，no matter how cheap it is

[@WWERULES001]

@@weixiaoli6158 yes it would. Why wouldnt it? The whole aim of the MC21 is to get it registered with the FAA and EASA. The SSJ is EASA approved so why wouldnt the MC21 be? And say it doesnt get approved by the FAA that doesnt mean hundreds of asian european african and south African countries wont purchase it. I am currently working with a LCC carrier in Australia and were looking at these planes.

[@weixiaoli6158]

@@WWERULES001 oh ，come on，dont be so naive，ssj got certificate in years ago，and now，Russian airplane industry is imposed on saction by US government and EU，market is blocked politically

[@rahmaddoank8622]

Why mc-21 doesnt has winglet?

[@derkov]

Russians are very good at building airplane gliders. Russian engineers calculated all the possible pros and cons of winglets and came to the conclusion that there is no point in them

[@factorial5159]

Composite wings

[@harleywong6097]

Looking forward to the CR-929

[@oneskyflyer]

HWTH 522 Will be a great aircraft indeed :) Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs]

I suspect that no more wide bodies will be needed in the future. The MTOW of the MC21 is 87 tons but a MC21X stretch has been proposed with MTOW of 155 tons and a range of 10,000km/5400nm. The MC21 has a wide cabin, wide seats and an aisle so wide you can get past a service trolley. This eliminates the “getting to the toilet” argument during meal service time against narrow bodies. It also means the embarkation disembarkation time is less as you can get past people halting to access the overhead lockers. The COMAC 929 was recently increased from 8 across to 9 across. I think this is a mistake, the A330 2/4/2 configuration is loved by passengers. If an A330 style 8 across aircraft were built with composite wing and body technology it would have superb range and performance.

[@MM-np4md]

Me too @HWTH

[@JSG003]

Looks like I’m late, still great video

[@hanabangirawan3291]

MC 21 wellcome ..... not only boeing and airbus , the big two in the world

[@bruh949]

Also we need more British aircraft. BAE systems need to make something, we did found the jet aviation industry and lead it... time to take it back.

[@interstellaraviator6437]

MC-21 is more technological and fuel efficient. C919 has a better competition ability.

[@giritharjeevasuba5206]

MC21🚩❤

[@Mark_Ocain]

Correction, this market segment is still dominated by Boeing and Airbus. These guys have their work cut out for them to emulate the excellence of these manufacturers.

[@rossinimauro]

C919 will prevail, not because of its merits over MC21 (I'm not qualified to technically and economically compare the two planes), but because of international politics. 1) USA will sanction to death any airline daring to buy MC21 2) FAA and EASA will take forever to authorize MC21 in their airspace (just to have an idea, look at NS2 and Sputnik V). Not even Aeroflot will be able to use it on Euro routes. Moreover, no market outside EU and USA because of 1) So I see MC21 flying just on Russian internal routes with stints in Belarus and China. Sorry to write that, but reality is an harsh mistress.

[@oneskyflyer]

Comac or Irkut? Chinese aircraft or Russian Aircraft? Your choice in the comments below! Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way! Do also stay tuned for more great Aviation Content coming soon. Till we meet then, wishing everyone a truly Clear Sky Ahead!

[@chingweixion621]

Nice! Love the addition of charts. Makes it easier to compare. Looks like MC-21 definitely the better aircraft. C919 is suffering from more design problems and will likely fall further in terms of fuel economy.

[@oneskyflyer]

Ching Wei Xion Thanks for your comment. Yep, the C919 does indeed have more design issues as it is China first attempt of building a proper single aisle aircraft, while Russia has had experience. Both working together will bring many benefits. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way.

[@chingweixion621]

@@oneskyflyer nope. The Chinese first attempt was the ARJ21, not the comac 919. Both was plagued by design mistakes.

[@goldwideimpex2056]

AirplaneProductions Really great MC 21👌

[@oneskyflyer]

goldwide impex Thanks for your comment. Yep, the MC21 is a better aircraft, flies further and carries more passengers. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@cheesedmacaroni]

Definitely MC-21 because C919 is made in China therefore it won't last long Jokes aside I feel that the Russians are more experienced than the Chinese as they developed more aircraft before them with companies like Yakovlev ,Tupelev and Ilylushin and to also factor in the Chinese's failed ARJ21 I have little hope in Comac. Anyways hope to see these two planes in the skies soon and great video as always.

[@thomas9374]

I belive most importantly both manufacurers have to develop a good supply chain and service model. This problem really stoped the SSJ to be more succesfull and also in the long term Service and Maintanance brings a lot of money. So currently they clearly can't compete with Airbus or Boeing in terms of efficiency. It will be intresting if they can benifit from long waiting list on the A320 series and maybe can break in markets outside Russia or China. If the price is low enough they might get some orders from african carriers, but as already mentioned, before that happens the supply system has to be in place.

[@oneskyflyer]

Thomas Thanks for your comment. You are right that the support network needs to be strong. Regarding the delivery times, the issues is that neither company has guaranteed delivery dates, with neither certified to fly. Thus, airlines would rather queue up to get the aircraft than wait for an indefinite period of time. Still, all the best to these two companies!

[@chingweixion621]

It is more likely that the MC-21 will gain some small orders in Eastern Europe or ex soviet unions countries rather than further away in Africa. After sales support is an important factor for the purchase

[@chrismckellar9350]

I agree with you.

[@vuvinh82008]

@@chingweixion621 agree, buy aircrafts and build support network day by day, step by step is the best way for russia

[@zulharriansyahsyamsul3970]

Ssj had truoble to supply spare part because of embargo after rusia anex crimea

[@vladimirnikolskiy]

The cockpits were designed by one company and their design is extremely similar.

[@F139]

Video starts at 3:07 You are welcome

[@volodymyrdrobot9454]

This is a comparison between what both aircraft manufacturers promise to deliver. Knowing a habit of the communist world to promise way more than one can deliver, I will not be surprised if the real numbers will be significantly worse, the aftermarket support for both will be horrendous, and both planes will be sold mostly in their respective countries through the government-mandated sales. With China's market being bigger than Russia's, I would expect more of C-919 to he sold. The sales outside of their respective countries will be largely based on which airline executives they can either fool or corrupt. However, I expect the reputation of both models to quickly decline after a series of maintenance and breakdown setbacks. The Boeing/Airbus duopoly will lose sales in China and Russia but will not be troubled in other markets. Summarizing, this is a comparison between a bulls..t and a dogs..t. Completely in the eye of the beholder. And yes, MC-21 is not going to use P&W engines because of sanctions for annexing Crimea and occupying parts of Ukraine on the east.

[@hindustansocialistrepublic5545]

Russians have a history of DESIGNING AIRCRAFT whereas CHINESE HAVE A HISTORY OF REVERSE ENGINEERING AIRCRAFT😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@AshikJonathan]

Russian Ingenuity vs Chinese reverse Engineering.

[@JacobMaleh]

You are outdated.

[@AshikJonathan]

@mingoucz jcz Russian is an ally of countries that are not very wealthy or have bigger purse like the US or EU and UK. Now with sanctions. Going to be more difficult.

[@AshikJonathan]

@mingoucz jcz kudos to comac for trying. Military gears nuclear space and aviation is one place where no matter what countries Will always look towards Russia france Germany US swiss brazil UK US. But China is notorious for IP theft and cost billions to Real hard work. So not smearing its a fact.

[@AshikJonathan]

@mingoucz jcz china does make good phones. But look at the RTPCR test kits. Italy France UK stopped and Spain even returned some kits. Criticism is not attacking. You make great phone great quality. No complaining. You make faulty and fake goods its good to do a friendly rebuttal

[@AshikJonathan]

@mingoucz jcz china makes and operates very good hsr too. No doubt about it.

[@johnsarangel]

i trust russian planes more than chinese ones...

[@olddriver4109]

That’s what Chinese wants you to think about. LMAO

[@siddasgupta679]

Given Russia s glorious history of selling the Superjet with lack of parts lack of technical support and with multiple crashes the world is not worried about MS-21 impact.

[@ИгорьИсаков-з4р]

If you cleaned the toilets of airplanes, this does not give you the right to be called a pilot ... especially a specialist))) I regularly fly the SSJ-100 - a wonderful plane!

[@siddasgupta679]

@@ИгорьИсаков-з4р Sukhoi and Irkut do not know how to run a global business. That’s why Mexico and Belgium gave up on their SSJs. Russians better learn business soon from Embraer, otherwise their planes are not going to sell well

[@ИгорьИсаков-з4р]

@@siddasgupta679 If you knew the issue, you would know that neither DRY nor IRKUT are engaged in the sale of aircraft and supply ... There is UAC ... If you knew a little more than a toilet on an airplane, you would understand that Russia is the largest country in this world, and that air transport is needed in Russia itself ... To replace the Boeing and Airbus trash brought into the country over the past 20 years ... and only after that to engage in ousting Boeing and Airbus all over the world ... (this is not a difficult task, since both Boeing and Airbus have engineering centers in Russia, and Russian engineers develop their critical components. Also, VSMPO-AVISMA do key structural elements of aircraft and aircraft engines: center section, landing gear, etc.)

[@alexandernorman5337]

I'd estimate Irkut to have the better prospects, just because they're lucky enough for the fact that Russian engine manufacturers have produced engines and an APU for it. Sure, they are in the process of certification but...they are going to make it. They've obtained EASA and/or FAA several times before. And once they got that certificate they will thus be able to sell to the Iranians and others under sanctions. And Iran is in desperate need for some 400-500 aircraft. Both aircraft should do well in their domestic markets. Both are still going to need foreign orders, however. So taking advantage of markets where Airbus and Boeing are not allowed to serve is gold.

[@oneskyflyer]

Alexander Norman Thanks for your comment. Absolutely so, let’s wish all the best to them! Thanks for watching and do consider subscribing for more great videos on the way!

[@keith6371]

C919 doesn’t need foreign order. The Chinese market is more than enough to sustain it. Not sure about Russian market though for mc21. Chinese market is the largest aircraft market in the world, and will grow to be about 41% of the market in the near future

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@keith6371 - C919 absolutely does need foreign orders. Yes, the Chinese can sell more planes on their domestic market than the Russians can on theirs. But the C919 has also incurred much higher development costs, and it will require more extensive future updates ($) to keep it competitive. Aluminum wings and fuselage are already kind of dated. The C919 has to sell in significantly higher numbers than the MC-21 to break even.

[@xianshuwang2028]

Performance aside, C919 will definitely sell much better than MC21.

[@andreyg.2388]

But MC21 is better for sure.

[@aaronngu1310]

My favourite aircraft is A321 and C919. I'm losing my confident with B737......

[@Swag_K1RBY]

There’s nothing wrong with the older 737s and 737ng right?

[@aaronngu1310]

@@Swag_K1RBY there's one time that some B737NG have cracked issues and airlines actually grounded those who have cracked...

[@Swag_K1RBY]

Aaron Ngu TV it was like 4-5 months ago so it should be fine for now

[@hanabangirawan3291]

its look likes two twin brothers ?

[@xianshuwang2028]

You cannot break the duopoly just by one model of aircraft. Rome is not made in one day. Keep working, crawling, digging, persevering, learning, improving, striving, ......

[@1lyxbollyvykn714]

the best way to do so is by large supply chains because he main problem are availability of spare parts or technical assitance or new specific procedures. It takes time. Embraer succeded on doing this when they focused their products towards europe.

[@andy567t]

Not into market ,so time will be answer,,,

[@liamsmith4566]

I'd buy russian over Chinese any day, the c919 orders are mostly forced by the government of China so the program isn't a shit show, the mc 21 had some orders the same way but as much as the Chinese plane, plus I think the really low cost the Chinese can post the c919 for will also ruin reputation,

[@praneetsharma339]

MC 21 with the cost of US$ 91 million C919 with the cost of US$ 70 million so guess, which is better performence??

[@derkov]

Most likely $ 91 million is with Pratt & Whitney engines ... I suppose they should be cheaper with PD-14 engines.

[@pokeralee1183]

MC21 Better

[@roberttuazon794]

C919 nose kinda reminds me of 787 nose

[@spectre3954]

Its a copy bro no doubt!

[@youcantata]

Impressive MC-21-300: 2.14-2.33 liter / 100 km*seat(@163). Range 3,200 nmi, 3.8 m/ 6 seats But it is less than A220-300: 1.85-2.00 liter/100 km*seat (@135/160 seats) Range 3,600 nmi , 3.3 m/ 5 seats So winner is neither MC-21 nor C919, but Airbus A220-300 in fuel efficiency, range and passenger comfort.

[@jeraldleung6009]

The main problem is china uses other countries engines~ MC has it's own engines can b adjusted to suit its design but Comac, one's body buy cloth~ perfect fit is difficult.

[@dknowles60]

but their engines are not as good ag ge rr p&W

[@chingweixion621]

I wonder what would happen IF... Airbus ended up buying the MC-21 5yrs later and upgrade its performance? It will probably become a formidable A321neo replacement at the end of the decade. Like the bombardier C-series, the MC-21 also has a pretty solid foundation laid for the airframe. It is only suffering from underperformance due to inexperience. Bring in the expertise from Airbus or Boeing, this airframe will be a major player in the future. Will we see a repeat of airbus getting another great deal? With the B737max fiesco, Boeing is probably better off buying up one of these programs. But due to political reasons, it is unlikely that boeing will invest in any of these programs. Airbus on the other hand is more likely to do so especially with the MC-21 since Russia is considered a European ally and Moscow is geographically in Europe.

[@chrismckellar9350]

You have a valid point. Airbus already has the A220 programme which they can develop further as 5 and/or 6 abreast as a A320/A321 replacement. But that said, there is no reason for Airbus not to go into a joint with UAC to market and provide global spares, engineering and logistic support for the MC21 using Airbus existing global network. Since Irkut is now part of UAC which is developing the C929 in association COMAC, Airbus sees the C929 as a threat to the A350 programme may decide not to do any joint venture.

[@KGopidas]

Hope and wish both of them fare well and Induce Boeing and airbus think of advancement

[@paveldeveraux2729]

The airbus and Boeing planes are already dated and would be less efficient than the MC21.... The A320 and 737 need to be totally re-designed with new materials to be competitive...... Time would weight heavy in the old airplanes!

[@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet]

If this happens I bet Boeing and Airbus will join together

[@mcmmx]

Unlikely

[@zulharriansyahsyamsul3970]

With the 737 max series in trouble my both can benefit that but the embargo for rusia the future if mc21 is not good just like his older brother shukoi super 100 bacuse of embargo weastern europe like brussel air must stop use the shukoi because of hard to get the spare part althugh shukoi had easa certefication and still relativ new aircraft

[@alexandernorman5337]

The problem with the Superjet-100 is that it is a Frankenjet monster. The SaM146 engines it uses is a one off design not used anywhere else. The low pressure section is made by Russia's NPO Saturn. The high pressure section is made by France's SAFRAN. Most everything else is like that too. So getting the right technical help can be difficult, as it takes a lot of coordination between the various manufacturers. It also takes a lot of coordination within the supply chain - particularly since there is not a large market of spares. With the MC-21 it is completely different. You can choose to go with CFM or Aviadvigatel for engines. And that engine manufacturer is responsible for their whole product. The Russians will still have to do a better job of managing the supply of spares for 'their' configuration (PD-14 engines and TA-18 APU), but much less coordination will be needed. The MC-21 might not have the same problem as the Superjet.

[@alexlo7708]

@@alexandernorman5337 That's not a reason . It's engine SAM146 derive from the French M88 core module. Engine seems to not last long when reach 5-6000 hrs. If problem are rooted from share workload, IAE engine should have serious problem earlier. But not. By the way, If engine 100%work were from Russian . It might have better condition given any Russian engines in their civil built for a long time.

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@alexlo7708 - The engine "core" (high pressure compressor, combustor, and high pressure turbine) is derived from France's M88. The low pressure section (fan, low pressure compressor, low pressure turbine) is made by Russia's NPO Saturn. Thus the problem. If an airline experiences engine trouble, getting the right person to diagnose and find the cause and extent of condition is rather difficult. Unlike CFM (a joint collaboration between GE and SAFRAN), Powerjet (the collaboration between SAFRAN and NPO Saturn) has not been around very long and does not have the framework for the necessary technological assistance/cooperation for a lot of support. Add on to that the fact that no other airplane uses the SaM146 and so getting spares is a real problem. The Russians are trying to correct this in the MC-21 via a more simple supply chain. You can have either a Pratt&Whitney engine or an Aviadvigatel one.

[@abdulmoiz5987]

Mc21 looks like a bigger ssj100

[@briannielsen479]

Wrong condition. Neither Airbus and Boeing could follow the world demand productionwise. (prior to Covid19) and both manufactores has goals, which cant be seen as a challenger. c919 wins the sale due to domestic market. Ms21 has replaced Boeing in Iran due to sanctions and mostlike also the Airbusm so Iran will give Ms21 the commercial boost they need. Finally the market need to see the reel performance and service from Irkut. If Irkut and plane deliveres, the market will follow.

[@onlineo2263]

Price is such a strange beast at $50m and $70m they are more expensive than the actual selling price of the 737 or the a320neo. The latter of which is $48m the former is quite a bit cheaper around $42m. So you wonder what the actual selling price of these planes is? If they sell for list or even close to list price then customers are only purchasing for political reasons.

[@oneskyflyer]

onlineo Thanks for your comment. Yep, though those are list prices. List prices for the A320 or 737 are above 100 million. Thus, these aircraft are still cheaper. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@onlineo2263]

@@oneskyflyer presumably, but unless someone can find the figures no one knows. Boeing and Airbus vary discounts massively. Maybe these 2 planes offer 90% discount or maybe 10%. Until we find the actual selling price it is impossible to say which plane is cheaper.

[@notthefez3634]

The Russian industry is much more mature, but i think sanctions on PW engines will hurt them. I think it will come down to who can offer the best support and maintenance - a lack of it killed the SSJ for international operators

[@юрийкосачев-э1э]

Russia has learned its lessons with SSJ . And for the MS-21, Russia created the PD-14 engine . That would not depend on foreign partners . By the way, Russia is currently developing the PD-8 engine for SSJ.

[@syedputra5955]

Both won't fly due to trade sanctions by the US unless it uses 100% non US parts.

[@chingweixion621]

Not really. There are ways around the trade sanctions. PW can supply the engines via Canada and CFM via France.

[@syedputra5955]

@@chingweixion621 And have PnW barred from any business in the US? Not likely.

[@chdjim]

The only result China join the competition is low price and high quality

[@danielrogowskij6283]

Russia 👍👍💪🇷🇺

[@Dr.Dong_Yuzhen]

China owns the biggest market, thus C919 will be the cheapest one because its best market.

[@yousefalghareeb7909]

I have dealt with Russian on the Sukhoi SSJ 100 !!, I believe both the Chinese and Russian have very poor marketing and after-sale service, they won't be able to sell much !! they will only be limited to their domestic market and possible some Asian countries, add to them Mitsubishi MRJ90 they won't be an effective factor in the airlines market

[@oneskyflyer]

Yousef Alghareeb Thanks for your comment. Absolutely so, and thanks for sharing. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@alexlo7708]

MRJ has to survive on US patronage only. Now their compeitors such Canada and Brazil has sold it to Airbus and Boeing already. How can MRJ survive?

[@ChiragMohin]

Mc21 and comac c919 quality is very similar.

[@paland1979]

加油俄罗斯，加油中国！！！

[@ВладиславЧирич]

СКАЖУ ПО СЕКРЕТУ МС 21 ЕРУНДА ВОТ МС 22 ЭТО ДА! А МС 23 ВАЩЕ ЗВЕЗДА!!!

[@mrrolandlawrence]

china is catching up fast... no engines though. not domestically produced that is. also the number of defects. airbus and boeing had to go though all that pain. russians too. last time china tried to make a plane, it was too heavy to get off the ground. this is a big big improvement. the c919 mk2 will be awesome im sure and with their ability to punch them out like candies, im sure a global player pretty fast. they will have the chinese market biased towards them so thats going to be good for 1000+ jets. not bad way to start.

[@oneskyflyer]

Roland Lawrence Thanks for your comment. Yep the C919 is an incredible achievement for Chinese aerospace manufacturers, and I hope that this will be the start of more great aircraft to come. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@VELS436]

Russian tech is best quality compared to chinese .

[@user-uu1fe9gb3b]

C919!!

[@joselassalle5906]

A "Made in China" airplane!? No way I would travel in that!

[@JacobMaleh]

Check before you fly. Tell your children and grandchildren too.

[@boeingfreak1]

But you propably keep your food in a "Made in China" refrigerator & watch movies on a "Made in China" TV… Maybe even wrote that dumb comment on a "Made in China" phone.

[@fleemwings207]

Russian manufacturers do not give much after sales support and spare parts supply is poor. This applies to both their civil and military products. Just look at the Sukhoi Superjet - even Aeroflot is not getting good service! If I was an airline fleet manager, I would stay away from the MC21. As for Comac, I will adopt a wait and see attitude - they need to prove that their product is good and the after sales and service support is good on a global scale.

[@zulharriansyahsyamsul3970]

Mc 21 ahead far comac for easa certefication mc right now on stage 3 of easa certefication test one more stage to get easa certefication if rusia not in embargo by the west with the future of max uncertain may be mc 21 become the dark horse, not many people know il 96 and SSJ got easa certefication

[@alexlo7708]

And how about SSJ after it got EASA.

[@arrant638]

SSJ100 has many western components. Dry chose them because it is more attractive to the customer. But we all know about the events of 2014 and the sanctions towards Russia. In essence, the problems of the SGJ100 are due to sanctions. The catastrophes that occurred with the SSZh100 occurred due to the fault of the pilots. So, this aircraft has a difficult fate. But he has passed certification in Europe.

[@alexlo7708]

@@arrant638 Sukhoi chose to join with western partners in order to had them pass EASA air worthiness. Even so their sell dimmed from operation time readiness. It happend before Crimea incident.

[@arrant638]

@@alexlo7708 SSJ100 is a good plane. His problem with engines is just the reluctance of companies to negotiate. Therefore, I am glad that the MC21 is getting rid of Western components. Creating a project in cooperation with other companies is risky. The engine is also created in collaboration with the French. PowerJet SaM146 (SM 146) - turbofan engine with flow mixing. Designed for regional aircraft and is currently installed on the Sukhoi SuperJet 100. The engine is manufactured by PowerJet, a joint venture of the Russian NPO Saturn and the French company Snecma. Snecma is responsible for the hot part of the engine - the gas generator as part of a high-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber and a high-pressure turbine. Snecma is also responsible for the engine management system and gearbox. The nacelle is supplied by Aircelle. NPO Saturn manufactures the “cold” part of the engine - a fan and a low-pressure turbine, performs general assembly and bench tests of the engine. In November 2018, Oleg Bocharov, at the Transport of Russia forum, announced problems with the hot part of the engine and difficulties in negotiations with French partners and assessed the results of the development of the project of this engine: Well, the top of the regional segment is Superjet 100. We are experiencing the most powerful difficulties associated with our partnership with French partners in the SaM146 engine. They have a tough business model and they are not ready to go for symmetrical reductions in the cost of owning an engine. While analyzing all the problems of engine operation with regional companies, we see that they are also using the current situation, striving to occupy a more advantageous position in our disputes with the French. We understand that we need to create a replacement engine bank. The UEC has such a program. We received the documentation for the complete disassembly / assembly of engines on the territory of the Rybinsk plant. The first engine there has already been completely repaired, that is, disassembled-assembled. The question is commercial - there is trade, for how much we will agree with the French. We understand that the conditions that they set for the purchase / rental of replacement engines from PowerJet are unacceptable for Russian regional airlines. Just not acceptable and that’s it. And the quality of the engine itself, outside the warranty period and inside the warranty period, raises questions about the hot part (the hot part is the French production zone of responsibility). With this engine, we all the same live on. This is a decision of the previous periods and no one could know that it would go that way. Of course, we will suffer with this engine until we produce our own.

[@alexlo7708]

@@arrant638 Don't be deceived by French jet engine. They're not so advance. Given their fighter Mirage or Rafale, their engines aren't that life long and parts were complain of expensive. It shows that US don't give them any jet techs when collaboration in CFM.

[@bokhans]

Who will buy a Russian airplane, well Russian companies but very few others. We know about Suchoj Superjet 100 that very few outside Russia is buying. The Chinese will probably be more successful. Even if few sold outside China the potential of sales in China is bigger due to 10 times the population of Russia. Chinese products develop rapidly and Russian don’t. Look at motor cars from these two countries or trains or what every you want. Russia is way behind and always will.

[@vladykaSavron]

Let's face it. The Chinese Comac ARJ21 appeared in 2008, 50 aircraft were produced. The Russian ssj100 also appeared in 2008, 200 aircraft were produced. The huge chinese market did not help Comac in any way. Russian motor cars? Sales of Swedish Volvo cars in Russia decreased from 20 000 in 2012 to 7 000 in 2020. Swedish cars are losing competition to russian ones. Russian trains? The freight turnover of russian railways in 2013 amounted to 2.2 trillion tonne-km. Freight turnover in 2019 amounted to 2.6 trillion tonne-km.

[@robinbaxter100]

Do I want to fly on a plane manufactured in a country with a 100 years of aircraft manufacturing, Or on an aircraft manufactured in a country that has a reputation for poor manufacturing quality and a " it's always use cheaper materials" reputation. Choice is simple. Russian aircraft every time.

[@dianlaifeng]

Yeah sure. Made in Russia has a better reputation, thus all things you bought are from Russia.

[@robinbaxter100]

@@dianlaifeng No no. One third of the the things I bought are made in Uzbekistan. (Including my life size plastic Yak). The other third is made in Argentina. And the third third was made in Vanuatu.

[@robinbaxter100]

@@dianlaifeng have you thought of anger management classes?

[@robinbaxter100]

@@dianlaifeng By the way you use English. I guess you do not have English as your first language. The word order is all wrong. So I am guessing you are Chinese. Well If I want a purchase a quality product from Asia, I would always buy Japanese. A country that's knows how to do quality, unlike China who cannot do quality products.

[@dianlaifeng]

​@@robinbaxter100 Knowing you usually buy products from Uzbekistan and Argentina, I don't think you can afford anything from Japan.

[@jamesrey3221]

MC-21 is a fresh aircraft, 919 is just an inferior Chinese copy of the old 320

[@nathaniellee9146]

haven’t watched the video yet but 787 is best

[@wilburfinnigan2142]

Nathaniel True !!! 787 is a PROVEN efficient LONG range and LARGER aircraft and NOT in the same class !!!!

[@onlineo2263]

Er not really. In economy the seat width on the 787 is 17.3 inches, which is the same as on the short haul 737. All other long haul planes and both of these short haul plane have 18 inch wide seats. The 787 also has protruding cabin wall which means if you have a window seat and large shoulders you have higg chance of not being able to sit upright. The cabin wall curves in and eats up all your shoulder space for 1in3 window seats in the 787. So for regular folk in economy the 787 is actually the worst plane you can fly on. It has tiny seats in a dense configuration and operates long haul. Both of these planes would be more comfortable.

[@danielaramburo7648]

It will be a while before I trust the Chinese made jet.

[@impossiblex4716]

737 max should remove the mcas

[@oneskyflyer]

Nathan Xia Thanks for your comment. Well, that is unlikely as the aircraft will have a new type certificate and Pilots need to be completely retrained. I think Boeing has made some new fixes to MCAS to prevent any accident from ever happening again. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for next weeks video!

[@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet]

Airbus fanboys: "wait that's illegal."

[@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet]

Or replace the 737 with 757

[@oneskyflyer]

Art Vlom Hmm, I think 757 will be a complement to the 737 with its higher capacity and more range. Thanks for watching!

[@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet]

@@oneskyflyer yeah, Boeing will planned to change the engines and the wing of the 757 to compete the A321XLR named 757 Plus. Boeing should replace the 737 with 757 because of crappy reliability and it's way better than the A320

[@RASHEEDKHAN-hj4ze]

All russian airlines must purchase Russian aircraft to prove its superiority n quality. But we can find Airbus/boeing instead of Tupolevs Cubana fleet has few Tupolev and Ilyushins but not in Aeroflot. Aeroflot Russian Flag Carrier.😀

[@HoLeeChit11]

Which one is better, 🤔. Let’s see, Russia, a country with a hundred years of aviation history in both civil and fighter jets. The MC21 with the latest cutting edge technology and then you have China, a copy and paste, reverse engineering hub for tech pirates who have no regard for the copy right law.

[@ericshang7744]

You make it sound so easy ‘copy’ and ‘paste’..... even if you give the blue print to, say India or Philippines, can they ‘paste’ an airplane?

[@zapszapper9105]

MC21 and C919 should market together since different size aircrafts. Look for west to block raw materials and finished components and throw as many spanners in the works as they possible can in both Russian and Chinese camps. Hope the Chinese and Russians work together and get a world wide parts and maintenance service that is second to none up and running.

[@arnoldhau1]

I think that despite the MC-21 being technically the better aircraft, the Comac has way better chances of success due to the fact that they are chinese and therefore can reily on a strong domestic market. Chinese airlines will have to buy that aircraft, there will be no choice, and that will give it a head start. The C919 will propalby not enjoy much success outside of china as it is not efficient enough, but they will develop new generations and enventually they will propably become be able to sell comparable aircraft at a lower price. I can not really see the same happening with the MC-21, it sure is way better but then again the Airbus ist at least as good in most aspects... and airline pilots are trained on airbus, airbus has the sales and support network and so on. So I can not see how they can break into the market.

[@oneskyflyer]

arnoldhau1 Thanks for your comment. Yep, thus it is of upmost importance that China and Russia must develop all new aircraft that bring truly outstanding value to the aviation industry. Thanks for watching and do stay tuned for more great videos on the way!

[@w8stral]

Where is this fabled Chinese domestic market? Does not exist. Why? China will not open its airspace, thus number of flights is very limited and have enormous numbers of people. A flying wing concept with ~300 seats seems more likely to succeed, if they can sell to India/Asia. China already invested in massive amounts of "high speed" rail. Small aircraft? In China? Not a chance other than for big wigs. Until China builds twice as many or 4 times as many airports, number of aircraft in China will go nowhere. Displace foreign aircraft? Ok, but otherwise...

[@HanabangIrawan-nu7uo]

Comac , its looks like duplicate of MC 21 ? just maybe

[@bd5av8r1]

COMAC: It's Russian roulette with aircraft. lol

[@knowledged8420]

Both

[@alextur17]

C919 no doubt

[@Raul87549]

I appreciate ur efforts to make such an informative comparison video however, please don't feel bad but ur voice is terrible and it irritates, I really had hard time understanding ur words. Pls try to work on it.

[@sweetieip]

the host spoke like either Singaporean or Malaysian. and a lot of his comments are bull shit. C919 components is made world wide - even the body structures design involved a lot of European consultants---why? So that C919 can get FAA airworthiness certificate.