COMAC Explained: China’s Boeing

[@Asianometry]

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[@zil1832]

But if AVIC1 was focused on military plane, how come it was them who built the ARJ 21? Wouldnt the job would be of AVIC2's, which you said were built to make civilian aircrafts and helecopters?

[@Septumsempra8818]

Check out "Princes of the Yen"

[@dannykwan7581]

did you lower your voice intentionally in this video?

[@khalidmohamed5946]

I dont think China's main aim is to sell this plane to foreign customers. Their main aim is to sell this plane domestically so that they can reduce their dependence on Boeing and Airbus.

[@johanhirte9661]

But this plane is basically 85% foreign made because of its parts. Without the US and Europe it won’t fly anyway.

[@rext8949]

If it flops it could turn out to be a turkey and a liability.

[@vc4510]

And to gain experience.

[@Fauzanarief-n7i]

@@johanhirte9661 short term yes, most of the component are still foreign part, but in the long term the local company can make the component alone because of joint venture

[@johanhirte9661]

@@Fauzanarief-n7i Yeah again technology gets robbed and the company after that kicked out. But by I think for this companies it will be interesting. Because many can’t be copied.

[@lolollolol1436]

China needs another 10 years to catch up in difficult fields such as semiconductors and aviation. 10 years sounds like a long time but in the grand scheme of things, it's actually really fast.

[@ramanlol]

I think they can catch up in that time frame. But to have the same regulation and efficacy, it will take decades. I doubt they can get same prestige as Airbus or Boeing.

[@zhizuc.7516]

@@ramanlol If Boing keeps putting out in the market planes like Boing 737 Max then it will not take that long.

[@ramanlol]

@@zhizuc.7516 lmao true.

[@irritatedanglosaxon1705]

Don't worry... We, Anglosaxon gonna sabotage them

[@ashishpatel350]

well not if you stealing ip from your competitors and corporate espionage and forced tech transfer.

[@richyrich6674]

You also forgot to mention that the top three largest Airlines in China are Air China, China Southern, and China Eastern. All three are government owned airlines so the Chinese government can dictate what airliners it wants to buy.

[@martinxma6949]

Only to a certain degree, all these are public traded companies, and they’d have to attract customers to get revenues, ain’t no major airlines’ gonna use inferior aircrafts, ARJ-21 and Xinzhou-60 are not operated by any of the major Chinese airlines cuz they know those are no good.

[@sink61]

The CAAC dictates what all their airlines will fly.

[@Bialy_1]

@@martinxma6949 "It received its CAAC Type Certification on 30 December 2014 and was introduced on 28 June 2016 by Chengdu Airlines. Resembling the McDonnell Douglas MD-80/MD-90 produced under licence in China, it features a 25° swept, supercritical wing designed by Antonov and twin rear-mounted General Electric CF34 engines. "

[@AG-kp8es]

Interesting choice of word "dictate". If the government is the largest shareholder and investor, what's wrong with having the right to make decisions...? The coka cola board members dictate the next flavor, the restaurant owner dictates the name of the dish, you dictate the color of your car......?

[@randomname931]

@@martinxma6949 clearly china doesn't care about stock market and prices, as evidenced by the crackdown of for-profit tutoring companies (which is the right thing to do IMO). but the biggest factor is safety and efficiency. I don't think the CPC will jeopardize that for national pride.

[@MrOkadaman28]

I remember what Chinese branded phones were like just 10 years ago. They were of poor quality and nobody took them seriously. If they keep at this, all they need is time.

[@ashishpatel350]

anythings possible when you steal ip from you competitors.

[@johnnyzhao7698]

Yeah they just made toy phone for kids but now they are selling Huawei and Xiaomi

[@user-mhgu6om9mj2t]

@@ashishpatel350 hmmm. Your proof troll? Maybe you should stop defaming China and focus on not spreading covid19 variants around the world fool! You are just jealous you can't make anything.

[@serinahadjadj4661]

Well let's be honest here everyone is robbing each other even inside USA companies are suit each other every day because of stolen IPs so let's be fair this is normal global issue and it's almost impossible to solve it radically we can only reduce it through serious steps to solve it if there is a real will among governments and that's what it's lacking

[@hjkhjk3829]

@@user-mhgu6om9mj2t calm down wumao

[@ronaldmarcks1842]

Balanced and erudite, without being self-consciously cool. Thank you.

[@johnzen2931]

The most difficult part of any product is from nothing to something. C919 seems to achieve this.

[@oceanwave4502]

There is a saying in China: A thousand-mile journey starts with a single step.

[@cssstylescommand4]

Love to China from the US ❤️🇨🇳🇺🇸

[@moneyking2540]

@@cssstylescommand4 Yes Love One Another. God's Law

[@rext8949]

Whatever incremental advances China has made is thanks to an army of hackers and espionage agents. Every few months you have cases of Chinese citizens being caught stealing industrial secrets from other countries. Without the advanced chips and sophisticated imported equipment China is helpless in its attempts to move forward. Huawei is one of the basket cases which have imploded because of the lack of access to Google. Most of the Chinese auto companies are based on western technology. The Chinese Govt applies pressure on foreign companies to share their technical expertise as a prerequisite to doing business there. China is able to win foreign contracts because of its predatory pricing and dumping of goods. For the next few days people around the world will have to keep their fingers crossed while the "sophisticated" Long March rocket decides where to fall. So much for the vaunted Chinese might.

[@johnzen2931]

@@rext8949 I keep reading this kind of smear or accusations, when dig further found no evidence. Huawei is leading in 5g telecommunications, the USA being a bad loser accused huawei of stealing. I an just puzzled what can huawei steal from the USA that the USA doesn't have.

[@manils35]

Kudos. I happen to fumble on this video. No doubt every nation would like make its own Planes. Having worked in DGCA, I appreciate your interest. All the best.

[@ats89117]

You don't have to run faster than a bear to get away from him. Just faster than your slowest friend! ;-)

[@samuelnakai1804]

If you shoot your friend, you won't even have to break a brisk walk.

[@ats89117]

@@samuelnakai1804 Thanks Samuel! I didn't think that nugget of wisdom could be improved upon, but i was wrong! Imagine the investigation that would ensue. Q: Did you consider shooting the bear rather than your friend? A: Oy...

[@maheshrathod5593]

You guys are hilarious

[@Martinit0]

Why are you guys talking about bears? According to Jon you are supposed to catch a deer not run away from a bear. Shooting your friend won't make you better at catching up to the deer. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here.

[@1pasupaty]

@@Martinit0 guys please look at the sarcasm here in comments.anyways bear

[@qiyuxuan9437]

Some incorrect info. Y-10 is inefficient, but not that bad, it has flown to the airport in tibet, which is way more than 1 hour. Also, the C919 did not have a 5 year delay, the maiden flight is only delayed 1 year from 2016 to 2017, and the delivery was always set around 2020, and it will very likely deliver later in this year, so about 2 years delay.

[@llee4225]

I believed COMAC wanted to buy Bombardier C300 when they had financial problems and US 300% duty but Canada stopped it. Now Canada has no industry either.

[@MrBumbo90]

If Canada had sold it to China, it would have made it go bankrupt faster. It is a well-known fact that you don't want to do any tech transfer deals with China. Most companies that are approached by China refuse.

[@llee4225]

@@MrBumbo90 You know that US companies buying Canadian companies basically kills headquarters in Canada and just maintain sales or basic research to collect tax credits? US giant companies entering Canada just kills Canadian businesses due to scale and deep pockets? In the case of aerospace, each country have high tariff on imports unless there is some local content. That is way many components are manufactured all of the world and assembled in a central location. That is why Boeing/Airbus have assembly centers in US/Europe/China. Similarly for Bombardier no matter who owns it.

[@MrBumbo90]

@@llee4225 There is a difference between buying a company at a fair, legal market price and stealing tech.

[@royalmontpark]

@@MrBumbo90 when you buy a company, aren't you also buying their IPs? where comes the steal? your logic sounds strange

[@jaiqi]

@@MrBumbo90 Lol "fair", "legal" market price. Just so you know, Chinese companies always have to give a much higher bid compares to other just because they are Chinese. And you wonder why many companies willing to sell to the Chinese despite all the backlash.

[@debochch]

7:34. "it can be very easy for a third wheel to be left behind". Wow, predicted Boeing’s 2024 wheel incident perfectly.

[@bryanlee7295]

This is a nice assessment of the issue rather than bashing just for sake bashing.

[@ramonching7772]

The tasks are only daunting if you just keep on watching. If you start working on it based on specifications, things becomes easier. The specs and data sheets is your guide. And your end point. Which is your product. Ex is the hydraulic or avionics system.

[@bhuuthesecond]

Great video again Asianometry.

[@ChristianStout]

"There are no blue oceans here." Man, that's a tough pill to swallow for upstart players, but it's the truth. Whether it wide-bodies, narrow-bodies, regional/business jets, or turboprops, each sub-market is already cornered.

[@Amidat]

To me the ARJ21 and C919 were never going to be the top of the industry. China never expected them to be. The issue is the second generation. That's when all of China' learning will matter. These two planes are mainly "testing" domestically and learning. That's how China works.

[@franciskueh4141]

Never did we expect china to build a space station. Well they may be able to build a better plane to reach Beijing to london in 2 hours. Look at their bullet train.

[@etbadaboum]

They probably are planning the next generation right now.

[@markcasila8310]

@@franciskueh4141 the bullet train is germany stolen tecnology .... lol

[@franciskueh4141]

@@markcasila8310 every one borrows from the other. The english/american builds the first train not the german.

[@markcasila8310]

@@franciskueh4141 normal talk of a thief ..... the chinese high spedd train tecnology was stolen from germany companies .... why the hell do you chinese CCP troll always have to bring the USA to the talk everione knows you envy the American as hell ... you dont need to bring them to every conversation

[@robsten5387]

I admire how you explain the business aspect of running an airline. You really know the topic.

[@anupamsircar111]

Most comprehensive and informative, as usual!!!

[@frankwkfan112]

China will get there, despite the enormous challenges. Like in many other fields, China is shut out by the West on many technologies - but China can still develop its own Beidou navigation system, Space Stations, rockets - don’t count China out on semi-conductors, commercial aircrafts...China still has a market most nations want a slice of the cake, including US and EU. Let’s see who has the last laugh.

[@vusimdudu9033]

Indeed.

[@rickjames18]

The only reason China is even remotely close in any Tech field is precisely because they have a market. Otherwise companies like Boeing wouldn't sell/Exchange tech for a portion of the market. China hadn't been shut out until recently, so everything in your wish list above was mostly copied from western countries just like Comac planes. Besides exchanges, Chinese companies have stolen/Hacked/reverse engineered much western tech. People can get mad all they want or try to call me a Racist but the truth cannot be changed. If the west had not done business, shared, or opened markets to China they would still be far behind the west.

[@dawnlightening]

@ Asianometry - Excellent video, just like your others which focus on semiconductors. Please do a video on how China managed to crack open the secrets of jet engine design with their Shenyang WS-10 and others in the WS series. Thanks in advance John! And I've just subscribed.

[@aeonhelendale8777]

Here’s hoping for Chinas success!

[@jimmmaximilia2913]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mechamicro]

Yeah 20 years or more to copy cat.

[@rext8949]

Whatever incremental advances China has made is thanks to an army of hackers and espionage agents. Every few months you have cases of Chinese citizens being caught stealing industrial secrets from other countries. Without the advanced chips and sophisticated imported equipment China is helpless in its attempts to move forward. Huawei is one of the basket cases which have imploded because of the lack of access to Google. Most of the Chinese auto companies are based on western technology. The Chinese Govt applies pressure on foreign companies to share their technical expertise as a prerequisite to doing business there. China is able to win foreign contracts because of its predatory pricing and dumping of goods. For the next few days people around the world will have to keep their fingers crossed while the "sophisticated" Long March rocket decides where to fall. So much for the vaunted Chinese might.

[@aeonhelendale8777]

@@rext8949 Exactly how every up coming power has started.

[@f-35lightningii6]

China C919 Reverse engineering from general electric engineering and Trump engineering Stop sell to China.. www.cnbc.com/2020/02/15/trump-administration-may-stop-exporting-ges-engines-to-china-wsj.html

[@nyax4361]

the Y-10 part has so many errors. firstly, the 707 rev part, i.e. the real Y-10 program was started near 1976, which was really really close to the "reform" era. It was there because at that time China didn't have a normal relationship with the "west", so buying planes from Boeing and etc. was not so easy. but shortly after 1978, China bought 747s and other 7x7 models, there was no need for a older gen 707 like plane. and you really don't need to add up little pieces like it was ordered by who like it would in the USSR. in China, even in the 70s, tech programs were managed by those who knew what they were dealing with. Mao only cared politics and some bits of foreign affairs. and also, Y-10 carried really quite a few very high level gov officials during her maiden fight. people were proud of it, not afraid. it is a 707 rev one and it is a long range model for continental trips. the "only one hour flight time" claim is way way off. finally, Y-10 program was cancelled not because it is so bad, after all it is already built and got her maiden flight. it is because it is a 707 type (narrow body) appeared in 1990. its direct competitor 747 were operated by Chinese companies for over 10 years at that time. basically no need for 707, that's why.

[@hyphen2612]

China probably spent some 30+ years and countless state money into its commercial airliner program. But its technology sharing nature with the military means even if they didn't end up with a commercially viable product. They were making great strides in making large military transport aircrafts!

[@teebosaurusyou]

You mean they didn't steal the plans for the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy?? Don't think so....

[@ramonching7772]

Human resources is the key. They couldn't make those exotic turbine blades before. Now they can. Continuous daily work will eventually get you results.

[@jkians21]

SHE FLIES

[@jw934]

Wonderful analysis and videos! I wonder if you could talk about China's EV industry. Also, not sure if suggesting you raising the pitch of the sound recording (via editing) by one octave will hurt your pride. While I can adjust the KZbin playback speed (I played some at 1.75X and the rest at 1.5X, and 1.6X would have been ideal if KZbin allowed), KZbin unfortunately does not adjustment of the voice pitch.

[@willengel2458]

search pascal coppens on utube.

[@rext8949]

Whatever incremental advances China has made is thanks to an army of hackers and espionage agents. Every few months you have cases of Chinese citizens being caught stealing industrial secrets from other countries. Without the advanced chips and sophisticated imported equipment China is helpless in its attempts to move forward. Huawei is one of the basket cases which have imploded because of the lack of access to Google. Most of the Chinese auto companies are based on western technology. The Chinese Govt applies pressure on foreign companies to share their technical expertise as a prerequisite to doing business there. China is able to win foreign contracts because of its predatory pricing and dumping of goods. For the next few days people around the world will have to keep their fingers crossed while the "sophisticated" Long March rocket decides where to fall. So much for the vaunted Chinese might.

[@aymericdekerdanet9318]

@@rext8949 Whatever man. If Chinese only know how to copy & innovate, why is Huawei leading the 5g race?

[@directxxxx71]

@@aymericdekerdanet9318 Some troll is out of words, you know who I mean ..

[@chavdarnaidenov2661]

It's good that they have at least something, even if it's 10 years behind. They have to be ready to withstand a period of Washington sabotage of supply of thousands of different parts. The most problematic component is the turbofan engines, where western producers like GE, Rolls Royce, Pratt&Whitney, CFM International have continued to increase fuel efficiency, despite the consolidations. The problem is as hard for China, as entering the club latest-generation chip producers.

[@duradim1]

I hope Washington does sabotage those red bastards.

[@reddeimon475]

Problem is the jet engine, I don't call Ambraer and Mitsubishi truly independent if they still use US engines.

[@rext8949]

Whatever incremental advances China has made is thanks to an army of hackers and espionage agents. Every few months you have cases of Chinese citizens being caught stealing industrial secrets from other countries. Without the advanced chips and sophisticated imported equipment China is helpless in its attempts to move forward. Huawei is one of the basket cases which have imploded because of the lack of access to Google. Most of the Chinese auto companies are based on western technology. The Chinese Govt applies pressure on foreign companies to share their technical expertise as a prerequisite to doing business there. China is able to win foreign contracts because of its predatory pricing and dumping of goods. For the next few days people around the world will have to keep their fingers crossed while the "sophisticated" Long March rocket decides where to fall. So much for the vaunted Chinese might.

[@reddeimon475]

@@rext8949 agree, pretty much China achievement in recent decades attributed to foreign tech transfer. First it was the Soviet and then the west. I doubt they can go further if CCP keeps being in denial. They need the world as much as the world need them.

[@complicatedjason]

Not too bad when compared to Mitsubishi regional jet

[@alexlo7708]

Earlier ,I thought US would allow its domestic airline to patronage Japan MRJ. But later they don't.

[@rext8949]

Whatever incremental advances China has made is thanks to an army of hackers and espionage agents. Every few months you have cases of Chinese citizens being caught stealing industrial secrets from other countries. Without the advanced chips and sophisticated imported equipment China is helpless in its attempts to move forward. Huawei is one of the basket cases which have imploded because of the lack of access to Google. Most of the Chinese auto companies are based on western technology. The Chinese Govt applies pressure on foreign companies to share their technical expertise as a prerequisite to doing business there. China is able to win foreign contracts because of its predatory pricing and dumping of goods. For the next few days people around the world will have to keep their fingers crossed while the "sophisticated" Long March rocket decides where to fall. So much for the vaunted Chinese might.

[@complicatedjason]

@@rext8949 sounded like how US started off

[@funnymonkeee9803]

The main reason China is developing their own planes is to keep up with Chinese demand for airliners. There is too much demand. China cannot wait years for an airliner. Also old planes have to be replaced with new planes because of air safety regulations. So there is a huge growing backlog for airplanes

[@johngordon1175]

It’s great to see China executing their own technology,its a great learning tool, China now no longer has to reverse engineer aeroplane technology now the have built their own so now comprehen what is required to build their own planes, just like the now know what it takes to build a processor chip that is competitive.

[@alfaeco15]

I think a third airline manufacturer will be welcome by the market. Could comac be it?

[@oicfas4523]

Regarding the "indigenous" Chinese high speed rail technologies.. As the head of Siemens kindly put it, there is a lot of "overlap" between them and the patents of the German and Japanese HSR companies. Basically, China made trivial changes to existing technologies shared with them and then pretended they were created by the Chinese.

[@directxxxx71]

" Trivial changes " Sounds so easy...

[@aravindpallippara1577]

@@directxxxx71 it is supposed to be easy, hence the name trivial

[@winkus8586]

The US decoupling program will force china to gain the know-how and experience in many field.. Without decoupling, i don't thing china will produce a viable passenger jet comercially because such product demand a very.......very high trust and confident.

[@sammychow5238]

They can buy all local airplanes. Boeing and Airbus will be closed out of a lucrative market

[@adamh1228]

im really skeptical about your claim that the aluminum alloy was "too heavy" there isn't that much of a difference in density between aluminum base alloys across the spectrum, although the strength, durability, corrosion resistance, and other material properties are hugely dependent on the manufacturing processes and controls associated with aerospace alloy component processing. I am a foundry guy by trade, and I have seen first hand how you can get double or triple the physical properties out of different versions of "the same alloy" that pixie dust you blow into the crucible, or alternatively the restriction of certain elements makes MOST of the difference. Being able to precisely control all of the other variables involved in metal casting or processing is just another deep layer of knowledge/application unto itself. I could make finished parts out of sand cast CA 954 aluminum bronze for like 1/4 the price of obtaining ampco alloy25, (for most peoples analyses were the chemically the same) but some customers saw 10x the wear properties of the ampco products vs my sand cast versions. its bonkers.

[@syedputra5955]

Actually the arj21 is similar to boeing 717 as the company that makes it used to assemble the md-80. The majers of comac c919 currently assemble the a320.

[@hannespetursson3778]

The ARJ21 wing was designed by Antonov in Kiev Ukraine.

[@ericshang7744]

not exactly. ARJ is more similar to MD80, in fact some of its parts design and manufacturing is from MD80/90, that’s the legacy of MD’s China program back to the 1990s. ARJ 21 is an ok plane, and production has been accelerated since 2019. C919 will be a better one and likely to be a commercial success simply because china’s supersized aviation market. As for safety, I don’t think it’s going to be a problem as both of the planes were test intensively, there were no signs of rushing or courting corners for safety features.

[@PontiacFan68]

the real funny part is its mostly American because of all of the Technology, GE engines, and parts with some European parts and a little bit of Chinese parts.

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

Update: First C919 delivered for commercial service in December 2022

[@derekchow3470]

Boeing estimates China will need 8,600 planes over the next 20 years. 737 max and A320 each cost $ 100 million. C919 only cost $50 million. Chinese airlines Saving 8,600 x $50 million = $430 billion. Plus money does not leave the country buying imported planes. Money can be reinvested and recirculated back into the domestic economy. Also local jobs created along with domestic airline manufacturing industry.

[@TheQuranChannel123]

Whatever takes 50 years to make by the westerners, takes only 10 years or less for the Chinese. Space Station is the best example. Soon, I mean even before we know the domestic demand for flights in China will be greater than the USA and European domestic and the flights between the USA and Europe combined. That means COMAC will never need an international market. In fact, they will struggle even to deliver to the domestic market orders. Whatever you do in life never ever underestimate the Chinese. They have both the cash, very smart kids and willing to do things.

[@chinogambino9375]

Things happen fast when you can steal.

[@tat3179]

@@chinogambino9375 It takes real skill to steal, comprehend what you stole and then implement what you stole. Whining online however, is easy. Lol

[@davidmanasas6606]

@@tat3179 What was it God said about stealing? Oh yeah, it’s a NO on his top ten list.

[@mrcapybara3579]

@@davidmanasas6606 Tell that to the Europeans and Americans

[@overlordborn6131]

Yeah, like 15 years ago they had no high speed train and today they have the largest high speed train system. They developed their own gps satellite quite soon and Chinese space station is also another quick progress.

[@cheneric9596]

In the 14th minute of the film, the development of China's high-speed rail is mentioned, but the picture also shows Taiwan's high-speed rail. This is a completely wrong picture, because Taiwan's high-speed rail system has nothing to do with China!

[@vermicelledecheval5219]

China first lessons : this is not always done by reverse engineering, tech transfert, cheap labor, heavy state subsidies, copyright infringement, protectionism, debt trapping etc... You need to be good by yourself too - democracy can be a way to go to ensure this...

[@benbo4394]

When it’s come to China the question is not if they can do it? More like when they’ll achieve it?

[@TheNefastor]

I've been in the industry for two decades. Let me put it this way : by the time China can make a decent airliner, Airbus and Boeing will be making flying saucers or teleportation devices. It's a mindset problem. And China shares it with the Soviet Union, another country that never managed to catch up with Europe and the US on airliners.

[@andywong9847]

You're right for the time being. Trump success in "killing " Huawei taught China a great lesson on foreign technologies and products. The race is a marathon, not a 100 meter sprint.

[@TheNefastor]

@@andywong9847 you really don't get it. Technologies become obsolete fast. If you think you can take your time, you've already lost. You could develop the steam engine on your own right now and become the world's leader in steam engine tech... But *it would be too late to do you any good.* Like I said, China doesn't have the right mindset.

[@andywong9847]

@@TheNefastor Poor China. They will be left behind.

[@TheNefastor]

@@andywong9847 most likely. The way things are going, China will have its "fall of the USSR moment" within 20 years. If it's anything like the USSR, it'll be a combination of denial and over-spending on prestige projects. Like that new space station. What is China going to do in that station that hasn't been done on the ISS ? Not complaining though : China is providing the competition for a new space race, and that's something human civilization really needs. Not worried about the Chinese people, though. Just like Russians : the USSR may have fallen for the people are still there.

[@andywong9847]

@@TheNefastor They may have learned a little bit in the 5000 years history. Typical Chinese save 1st then spend. I believe the opposite is true for the Western. Well you have the luxury of printing money. Is inflation coming ? Russian are over confidence, not the Chinese

[@yuzhou66]

Good work!

[@yatchoychu3146]

A Comprehensive Brief Summary on Comac. The Chinese are learning and learning fast. I believe anytime between 2030 and 2050 they will be able to build a Viable Narrow Body Jet Liner. Its a Matter of Time. I believe the Chinese Government is Determine and Persistant in Developing its Domestic Aircraft Industry for its Large Domestic Market and when it Succeeds to Enter the Global Market.

[@parthasdasgupta]

20 years back there was hardly any Chinise built Ship ! Today the biggest shipyard is in China. ( Cosco Dalian ). Same thing will happen at planes too.

[@IpSyCo]

That’s wishful thinking and a false correlation.

[@Efro375]

Airbus a300 , 320, 330, 340 especially was a copy of the Illuyshin so i dont see why everything others build should be looked at as Boeings or Airbuses. The Comac is a comac and lets give it its credit.

[@magellanmax]

Comfort inside an aircraft as far as to how cramped the seats are is the sole responsibility of the customer. The manufacturer will install as many seats as the customer wants as long as it doesn't compromise the safety of the aircraft. What Airbus and Boeing have done to maintain the duopoly is by buying out the startups when they started making inroads into the market but this time around China will not turn back. The joint venture with Russia in the manufacture of the twin aisle aircraft- CR-929 will have a better success rate than the C-919 or the Russian built MC-21. Boeing is America's largest exporter, but they have a big problem because one out of every four planes they build heads to the Chinese market. The same applies to Airbus (close), hence it makes sense for China to have it's own jetliner manufacturer.

[@matthewwiddows6319]

Probably won't be able to export due to copyright breaches.

[@robsten5387]

Your inside knowledge is amazing !!!!

[@johnpatrick1588]

A Chinese Comac jet for $20 million or Boeing and Airbus jet a $60 million may make the market think twice.

[@MeAgain192]

yes, think twice. cuz cheap stuff might have higher risk in safety aspects..

[@aytayt]

If Boeing 787 and A320 had a child

[@pilotpeego1820]

Where's my Xerox?

[@rext8949]

In a factory in Shenzen.

[@brennencox516]

13:00 "in a harmonious way" well the CCP always talks about harmony, this should be easy for them!

[@voonjanted5043]

To say COMAC China's Boeing is inappropriate, as Boeing has lost its previous glory & reputation, it is better to call COMAC China's Airbus.

[@alfaeco15]

Management, coordination and system integration. That's it.

[@pzakkly3976]

Building a eurocopter and a passenger jet are not the same thing building a jet it’s a mind boggling complex thing I know because I help to build them I personally would not want to fly on a Chinese made jet

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

You could instead try in a 737 max

[@andrewlarson7895]

Same here better get 100 million flying miles accident free before i would.

[@DownUnder43]

You Failed to mention Embraer who is the Third largest passenger airline manufacturer, they also manufacture Military Aircraft and Boeing has attempt to buy them once. They are leaders in sales of private jets around the world.

[@ms-labinc.6516]

Hope you compare air industry of china and nuclear power reactor development industry of china. Market structures are fifferent but wuite many parts are similar.

[@mariacheebandidos7183]

there's a big difference between how long it takes the first person to invent (come up with) a technology, innovate on it (r&d) and perfect it, and how long it takes the people who come after that, to basically work with a blueprint.

[@arminius6506]

This is what Brits said when Americans stared mass producing textile

[@gregparrott]

China has done well with their Lunar and Martian landers. This demonstrated considerable technological proficiency. But the global market pressures associated with avionics and the likes of Boeing and Airbus may not jive with the CCP's overarching control.

[@henrikaize]

please dont say "China's Boeing" or "China Boeing 737 Max" no no no China's plane are good Boeing 's plane are bad

[@MrBumbo90]

lol

[@lonesomedovepk]

Amazing research and historical data in amusing voice narration...

[@44bett]

The US airlines industry is heavily dependent on the American tax-payer. Boeing is dependent on military contracts that helps its domestic side. The railroad, computer, pharmaceutical and airline industries would exist and be so successful without the aid of the tax-payer- whether there're based in Europe, Asia or the Americas. Business can't succeed without the hand-out of the tax-payer. Using the best ideas of a mixed economy (capitalism and socialism) to bring about jobs and prosperity for all.

[@flhong]

Because of safety reason building commercial plane is a risky business.

[@jamesocker5235]

They can make mistakes domestically and survive one misstep outside of China they will crumble

[@a11-j6r2k]

4:20 lol mentions 737max like it had absolutely zero issues. 736 max is suicidal !!!

[@Martinit0]

The deer stumbled!

[@reubensher8144]

do passengers get strap on parachutes...?

[@alainmare8081]

I believe it’s just a matter of time. China will definitely cope with the most modern aviation technology because they have the money, Human Resources and the willingness to be N*1 economic country. They have already buy and dismantle all the best planes available, scrutinized all the parts and their components and are ready to do at least the same or best. The only point is to built the new plants able to produce carbone fiber or chips to the computers. But apparently they are on the way. China it’s like an army. When decision is made it’s going forward or the people are sent to jail.

[@itsoktolovechina]

Can you do a video on truth and lies of IP theft?

[@mrrolandlawrence]

china loves the "technology transfer" when they buy a foreign company or when a foreign company wants to do business in china. so thats not really IP thieft when its done willingly. its rumored thats how the got the advanced manufacturing processes for turbine blades from germany.

[@itsoktolovechina]

@@mrrolandlawrence Transfer of tech is why im asking. Asian society is a good channel ive been resesrching from. Many americans debunk this ip theft issue in this channel

[@indianatarzan8001]

@@mrrolandlawrence Besides tech transfer they've done plenty of actual IP theft. Don't conflate the 2. Also, why is it ok China gets to pull this "give us your tech or you won't have access to our market" when they're in the WTO?

[@djtan3313]

@@indianatarzan8001 u willingly transfer China d tech, then turn around and scream thief China to d world! U r d bigger sinner.

[@indianatarzan8001]

@@djtan3313 Stop lying. There are plenty of actual theft that has nothing to do with "tech transfer". Stealing and blaming people for not being able to stop the crime only makes sense to Cultural Revolution leftovers.

[@janosvass5628]

Good information.

[@johnsullivan8673]

This video is choke full of inaccuracies and blatantly false statements. 1) 3:04 China was granted MD80 license - Inaccurate. China was granted ASSEMBLY license. Actual local sourcing for critical components was essentially 0%. 2) 3:45 PLAAF refused AVIC products through out the 90s - Patently false. Not even including the J-7/8 variants, the JH-7 was an AVIC product and entered service in 92. 3) 9:15 China acquired aerospace composite knowhow from Eurocopter - Absolutely asinine statement. Ever heard of Boeing Tianjin Composites? Even the JH-7A used composite bodies. And finally, COMAC's problem is the same problem that the Indian MIC faces, and something the Chinese military aviation industry does not: readily available and superior foreign substitutes. This is also the reason why Chinese advances in the entire lithography stack is lacking, and why the current semiconductor trade restrictions lead by the US will almost certainly bear unintended Chinese fruits in 5-8 years. You should stick to TSMC + Co.

[@Asianometry]

Tough feedback. Nobody's perfect, and I always can appreciate thoughtful fact-checking. Would you want to help me out when I do future videos in this topic? If so, feel free to email me at [e-mail]

[@bftjoe]

@@Asianometry Or just take this video down and redo it, if you're really concerned about journalistic ethics.

[@BryanChance]

I'm just happy to see China developing its own industries and reducing dependency on the west. It's amazing how quickly things get can get done.

[@khein2204]

today c919 has started its first commercial flight

[@BryanChance]

@@khein2204 Yes, I saw! Thanks for the info.

[@djtan3313]

I like how u reserve judgement, esp against d Chinese...

[@navajyotichetia3211]

"To break up and hide knowledge so that no two Chinese employed knows both the components of the knowledge" - this is exactly what happens to third world countries in developing knowledge in mathematics and science, the actual propounding of the proposition has been lost only the equations have been left All a commercial aerospace project needs to be crippled is to be delayed beyond the time a competition brough out their better product. The project becomes unproductive and saddled with debt

[@sammychow5238]

Just like high speed rail, give it time China will master aviation.

[@filthywings353]

To be unnecessarily pedantic, by 1971, the 707 was already a generation old and not the most technologically advanced commercial airliner. That distinction goes to the 747 and DC-10, the first generation of wide body airliners thanks to the development of the high bypass turbofan. The 707 was a low bypass turbofan or even turbojet powered body aircraft.

[@jimjohnson4122]

They crashed those Max-8s, I’m convinced by all the circumstantial evidence I’ve seen and keep coming across...

[@kiranrana5108]

Nepals Boeing. Air bus Khukuri. 321 .. Nepsl is also making jets Pasenger.. Engine is indegeniosly Developed

[@hair2050]

Admittedly I skipped much of the content but one snippet I just heard was that “no Chinese airline is going to buy a non viable aircraft in a highly competitive industry”. My friend you clearly have not lived in China and clearly know nothing about how things are done here, (I’m coming up to 12 years in Beijing). I couldn’t possibly give details on why and how I know that Chinese airlines will be buying all the production, like it or not, need them or not, but they are. Sure, I may or may not have intimate knowledge, but that is irrelevant. If you know China you know that it is a given anyway.

[@Asianometry]

Ok.

[@Peizxcv]

That’s true of all countries, US and Japan buy Boeing, European buy Airbus. It took Airbus decades to enter the US market

[@johnl.7754]

Yeah I agree with the government influence/control over the major airlines they will decide which planes get purchased.

[@bftjoe]

Yeah, the government will just make domestic airlines order the planes. And they will, unless they want to end up like Jack Ma.

[@djtan3313]

Cos we r all commies at heart...

[@calengr1]

10:20 JD with foreign suppliers ... efforts to protect IP

[@clayz1]

Who builds their engines?

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

I thought rocket science was far more complex than civil aviation engineering. They built a Space station and still struggling to make an airplane.

[@jk3jk35]

rockets needed for ICBMs!

[@vevenaneathna]

thats a really interesting perspective on boeing/airbus. they dont make planes they are just the UPS/logistics kings of Just-in-time manufacturing. kinda explains why when BA finally shut down some of the MAX's supply lines during grounding, that was the most significant crunch on the stock price during the whole crisis (other than the 2 crashes obviously). Spirit aero systems I think was what everyone was talking about? idk. imo the two most technologically advanced things to come out of WW2, (prolly the most innovative period in the last 100yrs), was nukes and the Junkers Jumo 004. Okay maybe the BMW 003 was better but with material shortages the Jumo was more practical of a jet engine. The single most complicated part/system of any plane will always be its engine, and at least for the commercial aviation market, that is truly the most consolidated market in the world. Its just GE + rolls royce... (okay fine there is that company that makes those ruskie Ilyushin jet engines with a stupid amount of titanium) One axiom that I have observed at least in both commercial + civilian jet engine mfg, is that the technological difficulty or barrier to producing a given engine scales exponentially with that engines radius. This is why if you look at all of the legit export competitors to the US F35 (a single engine aircraft), theyre all 2 engine aircrafts (russia + china). That shit is just too hard to make, maybe more than the entire rest of the plane... I am skeptical that any chinease company will ever catch up to the US+UK duopoly in this case and even if they produce a competitive aircraft, the US+UK will find some way to undermine COMAC's efforts. like for example unofficially telling GE+RR they can only export a certain number of engines per year to COMAC. This leverage I think is one of the reasons why china went stupid investing into highspeed rail.... even cannibalizing their freight logistical capacity at the same time. Explains why you can have a coal shortage and there are always so many dang dump trucks on the roads leading to poor road quality in rural areas and high accident injury rates. China is stuck between a rock and a hard place. on one hand they can put their full weight behind COMAC and watch it get bankrupted by US+UK conspiracy, or they can put their weight behind highspeed rail and continue to absorb the net welfare costs associated with its high operating costs and low utilization. I just wish they would pick one instead of sitting on the fence good vid, thanks for uploading as always

[@platin2148]

A legitimate success story of copying and then blocking foreign companies from making the same product for the market.

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

Sums up China pretty well. They won't be able to keep pumping out infrastructure projects forever. Eventually they'll need to rely on their domestic industries, yet wealthy Chinese people will always want foreign products. China had it SO good, now they're pushing out all the foreign money that Jumpstarted their economy. Guess we will see how it goes

[@MrSuperBrite]

No one ever mentions Embraer.

[@samsiphandone7412]

Chinese market need like 8000 planes for the next 20 years. They want a share of their domestic markets. Maybe like 30% of their market (~ 2500 planes). Good for their job creation, prestige, and engineering prowess. It is not that much to ask for, right?

[@sprouse9]

That Avic logo is THE worst logo I've ever seen. Looks like it was designed in 10 seconds

[@Nat_Ryder]

Can you have a less condescending, depressing voice, your delivery is more suitable for a describing the pandemic disaster in India.

[@clayz1]

We should ship them Boeing’s mockup of the SST. See what they can do with that.

[@robma9847]

🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🔝🔝🔝

[@captainqwark4863]

Your link for the news letter returns a DNS address error for me. Solved it by putting "www." in front or is it just my browser acting up? (using Chrome & Brave)

[@themacker894]

Boeing taught the Chinese how to compete against them. Anyone who manufactures in China, including Tesla is simply giving the Chinese their technology. What a short-sighted strategy.

[@luqmanbello2343]

That's simple economics, use all you got to get what you want. China is only beating the west at their game.

[@ivanbb1070]

@The Macker unfortunately, the US and other countries brought their manufacturing know it hows and technologies that helped China's economy to grow and helped create domestic companies from foreign technologies. Biggest mistake ever that is coming back them

[@luqmanbello2343]

@@ivanbb1070 China borrowed a page from the west. For decades the west, mostly the US was busy harvesting talents from all over the world through different strategies. How many European, Soviet, Asian and Latino scientists, economists and engineers were lewd to the US? Hence US inherited all the knowledge. Similarly,, the Chinese also lewd US and its Allies to China through cheap labour and huge market. So, the Chinese also will/have inherited all those knowledge with their sweat and blood. So who is deceiving who?

[@ashishpatel350]

anythings possible when you steal ip.

[@cy9987]

Technology transfer is part of the deal. Western companies knew it and agreed to it when doing business with China. Things are above the table and there is no "stealing".

[@ashishpatel350]

@@cy9987 not like those companies have a choice. if they dont take the deal they will just steal the tech anyway.

[@cy9987]

@@ashishpatel350 how is that not a choice? They could choose to leave the Chinese market like Google did

[@choiklu]

just like how you stole covid and your country is burning with bodies. think before you talk

[@ashishpatel350]

@@cy9987 not really..google didnt choose to leave the chinese market the chinese made them leave. reverse engineered their product and sold it. just like alibaba did to amazon etc.

[@Mayangone]

Isn't this channel Taiwanese!!

[@keffinsg]

Whats your point?

[@raylee5030]

@@keffinsg Having not seen anything positive on China.

[@TheMinimumPC]

@@raylee5030 Crazy isn't it. A break from all this anti China propaganda is nice

[@DiscombobulatingName]

Maybe I will never fly a COMAC plane, but if one day it represents enough competition to make Boeing and Airbus sit up and offer cheaper, better products, I'm all for it.

[@jerrycheung4876]

👍very fair!