Cabin in the Woods 48: Installing Staircase Railings Part 2

[@michaelanderson7260]

Hi Kyle your craftsmanship and attention to detail is second to none. I’m a longtime fan of your channel and I’ve learned a lot watching you build your post frame buildings. I’m a longtime woodworker, cabinet & furniture making are my real interests. I’ve been using plug cutters for years and have found that tapered plug cutters produce the best finished plug

[@hallenw]

Arg! You left us wanting sanding!! 😝

[@RRBuildings]

Stay tuned

[@Bradini267]

@@RRBuildings Post the finished pic on instagram.. I'm dying to see it

[@bert2754]

@@RRBuildings could you have cut the plugs out from the post before you pre drilled the holes (like from a smaller plug cutting bit that will have the same diameter as your hole)that way you have the same original grains from the post?

[@wiwoodcraft4065]

@@RRBuildings Now .. I am no expert , and I am no Arm Chair Pro . But , Generally speaking .. I have usually seen the angled stair newel posts need to be a stitch longer ( taller ) so that it would allow for the gain / loss of the slope of the stair case hand railing . 😉 But , cutting the spindles down works well also as a quick fix . Also .. I picked up some of those powder coated aluminum spindles that were shorter at Menards as well . Keep up the great content !

[@jeannieanderson5640]

Cliff hanger! I literally have the urge to go sand something now!

[@tikeidonlo6979]

With Ryan's kzbin.infoUgkxy_pn55PK60wAV3X_C_RoLS_67mNonoCE plan I was like one taken by the hand and led step by step from start to finish. Thank you very much Ryan!

[@brianmurphy5041]

Kyle, Demoranch down in Texas was talking about building a 3000 -5000 sq ft Barn down in San Antonio Texas

[@MB-zj3er]

As an amateur on my first set of stringers cut from box store wavy pressure treated I felt bad I had to use a couple of 1/16" shims. You made me feel better with the post. 👍

[@primordialgeek6810]

"I ain't worried about that, are you?" I appreciate your real world attitude of good enough is good enough. My steel construction experience occurred many years ago, but I'll never forget the boss's sign of approval, "I can't see it from my house."

[@jgoody7467]

His "good enough" was rhetorical, and for comic effect. My man doesn't half ass anything, and he would take the whole thing apart and do it again if it wasn't perfect.

[@smhammer92]

@@jgoody7467 I still don't get how those stair post are supposed to be sturdy with just a few screws in the endgrain? Not the same procedure as the top railing?

[@jgoody7467]

@@smhammer92 Now that you say that, I fear you may be right.

[@justingeorge1611]

"lets hope its plumb...".. video cut "I can live with that".. video cut. "Lets I get lunch" haha ..its perfect, done is a beautiful thing Looks so good and I appreciate your perfectionism, Im building the same thing in the shop shortly.. thanks for the ideas

[@ryanmcdonald1367]

Your attention to detail makes me want to strive to better! It’s truly awesome. Also great pod cast. I laughed so hard when you said Greg looked like Justin Bieber. Greg is very lucky to get to learn from a true craftsman

[@RRBuildings]

Thanks man

[@ednagale]

@@RRBuildings Is there any way you could do a spot on how you two began working together?

[@mattbenedix4730]

Awesome job on that. Good work on that grain match-up.

[@jodyrolandconstruction6577]

Kyle and Greg do such great work and I would never talk bad about it. But those handrails on the stairs and top floor not lining up are going to cause me to night sleep tonight. 😂😂😂

[@markarita3]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Not sure if he realized it. Staircase posts should've been cut longer because of slope angle (no spindle trimming either). But probably means the loft post would have needed to be higher as well to keep it consistent/balanced. This can get a little tricky...takes alot of planning to get right in the end. We all live and learn. Love these guys though.

[@harrykourm2462]

This is common, the top of a stair rail dies into the bottom of the top landing rails, if you took a tape and measure from the edge of a step to the top of the rail it should be the same as the top landing is

[@jodyrolandconstruction6577]

@@harrykourm2462 not with a little planning. All upper and lower handrails die into the baluster on the same plane as the balcony handrails. Move the lower balcony rail two inches and raise the upper and lower hand rail and it matches.

[@Stan7670]

Excellent work as usual Kyle. I would have suggested when putting the plugs in the posts at the end to mix a paste of glue and sawdust to fill around them.

[@markkielman4777]

Thanks for this video!!! I am building a railing for my steps and this helps a lot!!!

[@HenrikJanssonFilipstad]

That is looking great. Real solid too.

[@moneyicecold]

Hell's Yeah on the colab with DurtyMax Jack!!!

[@johnmason6443]

There is a plug cutter that cuts tapered plugs! Tight every time!

[@michaelcarroll991]

When I have a post that leans in a little out of level I cut my handrail either a little shorter or a little longer depending if I need it to go in or out. That way when I install it it makes the post level.

[@petebird7171]

As usual superb quality workmanship and attention to detail, great job guys, this series just gets better and better 👍👍👍👍👍, it’s going to take some beating 😀😀

[@tonynewton7902]

Great workmanship as usual. Hi from Bedford 🇬🇧

[@scottdanielson9795]

Really enjoyed the channel I just stumbled across it enjoy watching you build you’re a true craftsman

[@BlueCollarDIY]

Wow, those stairs (well heck, the whole project really) turned out well! I'm really liking this project.

[@rl3898]

That, as always, is a very neat job. Many congrats !

[@FFLFFS]

@ 2:15 FYI The amount you have to shave off to level your post is directly proportional to your 4ft level. Level shows .125”gap The base is a 6”thick post. 48”divided by 6 =8 Then divide gap .125 by 8= 0.015625 You’ll never have to guess again. Nice looking stairs.

[@DanVegas-wm9ik]

Cut a grain wise shim at about 1 degree before you cut the post to length. Then flip the post 180 and cut it again. It gives you perfect shims for leveling the post.

[@theadhdhandyman]

Great work! Those black railings look sweet!

[@michaelcarroll991]

Another thing not sure if your going to add an additional handrail because handrails have to be continuous. Meaning the middle post forces the person walking the stairs to have to let go of the handrail to go around. Hope that makes sense

[@michaellee695]

The handrail is going on the wall. Of course the light switch is in the way. And they can mount a continuous handrail connected to the inside of the three posts.

[@wilbready]

I literally laughed out loud when that fell down the stairs and y’all just watched it.

[@jontorrie2212]

Nobody moves nobody gets hurt

[@Iliketochopwood]

"Where was your reaction time bro" haha

[@lopaka76]

Reach for the falling tape measure, you drop the handrail. Lol

[@123gonow]

What are using to close off the triangle gap underneath the treads in the back corners where there is more than the 4" allowed space by code ? Really enjoy this channel , you guys are so very tuned into the finer details of carpentry. Appreciate your skills ! Have a great day !

[@oliiii2]

Love watching you Kyle and Greg good job like it

[@jasoncy31]

Love your work ethic and sense of craftsmanship. I'm currently working with subs on a Barndominium project and just getting them to call back is a hassle. If you do good work and have a good reputation people will pay nearly any amount to work with you. Good for you.

[@eco_guardian]

I really love how those brown workpants fit you.

[@rodpotts2666]

Stairs can get confusing , lasers have made my stair game way better.

[@kytddjj]

Car shock absorbers attached to the end of a timber diagonal brace.

[@adubbelde1]

My house is made up of 17 8' wall segments that intersect at around 22.5 degrees. My staircase runs toward the outside wall and has a landing at around 42" above the basement. The final stairs from the landing are at around a 12 degree from 90 angle. So my railings intersect the post at that 12 degree angle. Throw in the angle for the run and rise and you have a compound angle cut. I used 2x4's as templates as there was no way I was sacrificing the rails. I cut my posts through the finished Hickory floors. I used my FEIN oscillating saw to cut the holes and I'm pretty pleased with how the whole staircase came out. The posts are a perfect fit through the floor. because I was centered over a Microlam, the tails of the posts are about 1" thick. I was concerned about how strong they would be, but by the time I put the whole assembly together, they are very sturdy.

[@brianhubbard6423]

As usual, Craftsmanship!! God bless.

[@gregoryangierski1231]

I quit construction work for like 2 weeks and stopped watching and obv I fell right back into it cuz it's what I know and I'm sad I missed a bunch of your videos

[@jimbecker5675]

Tapered plug cutters avoid the gap and with careful matching, will pretty much disappear. Mine are from Lee Valley.

[@GitDwn]

Matt Carricker from Demolita Ranch and Off the Ranch needs a barn built. Y’all should definitely collab. It’d be worth the trip for y’all

[@BWIL2515]

Great work plugs look great also want to see them sanded

[@hurlyx20]

We just ran into putting railing on a deck and staircase we built not too long ago. We build pole buildings regularly. Anyways, figured out that the posts on the staircase need to be longer than the posts on the deck. If you don’t want to cut all of your pickets down.

[@markarita3]

Exactly.

[@lopaka76]

11:37 "were gonna get high in here. Not because of drugs..." Me: yeah, you're climbing stairs. You're getting higher and higher step by step.

[@egonstein970]

Great program to make a shed for what I need.

[@carlengstrom8029]

Keep up the good work guys

[@palmerxinc5674]

It looks great . The code for us is 4 inches between bares on anything over 30 inches high . So toddlers cant get there head through and fall .

[@Jo-vf7qi]

Amazing work. Perfectionists.

[@joelyoung8006]

Finding baluster spacing you could stick a square on the side of a post and plumb down for desired space. Then measure on angle to see what the actual width is on rake. Rail height can be measured by sticking a straight edge on nose of treads, mark the bottom side of level since it’s touching the nose of tread on the post, then measure from that line for rail height. A bit wordy through text…😊

[@MrEelcoheijm]

Nice building 😀 perfect👌👍

[@michaelplays2449]

Great video guys, thanks

[@jojox3021]

Excellent job brother!!!!👌💪

[@harrykourm2462]

Blind squirrel found the nut today boys, great work

[@audtinbeckwith7005]

Love your videos good work Kyle getting ready to build a 30by48 and I’d love to talk about it

Nice job, but the spindles next to the posts are too close. Next time don’t start in the middle assuming it’ll work out. If you offset the center they should’ve come out to between 4-5 inches instead of what seems to be 1 1/2 inches

[@stevebengel1346]

Exactly 👍

[@cfonvip5151]

DO NOT GET ME WRONG, Because I really like what you're doing. What's making me. . . a . . . . little . . . confuse (per say) is that you always have the right "thing" HANDY, to fix any problem or mistake made; right on the run! You remind me at the "NY Yankee Workshop", amazing series of a Master Carpenter ON A TV SETING WORK SHOP, for him just to show up and show off!!!

[@RRBuildings]

Haha I’ve been doing this for 14 years now... I’ve learned a few things and bought a few tools over the years... trust me I’m still learning and thankfully still have many different tools to buy which makes it interesting still

[@wattyh1]

outstanding work

[@davidlang576]

First off, you do GREAT work, love the show!!! But does that meet the current code for the 4", I think 5" thing for the back side of the stair treads between it and the bottom rail? Might be confusing myself here, but thought that back side thing was a problem???

[@racindave88]

Agreed 4'' between !!

[@Sc-jf3yk]

4 in on horizontal surfaces,. 4 3/8 on a stair, and 6" sphere in the triangle between the rail riser and tread. Thats the code in my area.

[@glennbrown1961]

Your counterbore holes should have been smaller to match your plug cutter size. Just saying,.....been using this method for 40 years. You find a good plug cutter...(yours looks amazing, they are getting very hard to come by here.) And size the hole to suit the plug. They need to be tight to hide the glue line. Used on the deck of a boat often and were glued in with varnish. Love your work. G'day Greg. Cheers from Tasmania

[@woodystehling7935]

Was that an attachment for the Milwaukee at 14:28?

[@ehamster]

I prefer tapered plugs, Trend and Veritas sell tapered plug cutters. I think your holes were larger than they should be from the impact driving the screws.

[@retireddriver16]

I wholeheartedly agree I believe his holes and plugs were very sloppy fit

[@bourkeTearwater]

oh that cliffhanger

[@billmorris2613]

Good afternoon from St John Parish, Louisiana 7 Feb 21.

[@MotoRiderTube]

Those plugs were top!

[@pistolpete5356]

Looks good the rail turned out great. I use the same system on my decks here in Oregon and let me tell you it's a challenge doing the stair rail alone with this plug balister system. Keep up the great work

[@boberiksen8961]

Your killing’ me Smalls!

[@twntyfor24]

Are you taking that brace out from under the stairs when you are done? Looks out of place.

[@jakebrakejunky10-4]

Now this is more entertaining than football.

[@T_157-40]

Nice work!

[@broketackle]

Nice clean installation. Love y’all’s technical prowess. Thanks for showing us the way Kyle and Greg. Looking good as always. 💪💪💪

[@kevinwilliams8662]

Enjoyed the show

[@mr.andmrs.johnson6258]

We have a blade designated for cutting boxes of picketts

[@kendavis8046]

More drills! You need more drills! And more batteries! Thanks again. Great video.

[@matthewsteadman5740]

All I can say is clean install

[@barry6349]

Nice work

[@weanddiy4712]

Good job!

[@FrancineRantala]

Where did you get your new posts? We’re having a hard time finding that size. We are in northern Michigan near Traverse City.

[@johnezell1366]

Are you going to put a continuous handrail that is narrow on the wall ? Just wondering we have to be continuous no more than 2 3/8" wide.

[@milkmandan8194]

Stairs looking 👌. The Stair railing wouldn't pass final by code in my area, too thick

[@markwizy4661]

I agree to both comments. Looks good, but wouldn't pass code where I am either. Fails graspability and the 4" sphere rule.

[@jgoody7467]

No ......the plug slop was from you wallering the hole with your socket ding dong. Those should be a press fit , your work is barnone the best out there.... so I'll buy the glue theory if you're selling it. Hahahaha

[@BraxxJuventa]

I wanna see it sanded! LOL! 👍😁

[@123gonow]

What are you guys using to close off the larger then 4" gap ( per code) on the underside corners of the stair treads ? Appreciate your details to fine carpentry ! Have a great day !

[@LAY9706]

15:38 Lmao Greg is funny

[@glen748]

I might have used black flathead structural lag screws (HeadLOK's) and left them exposed. Instead of plugging the holes on the upper post. Being they are black and match the black spindles they would have looked like accents.

[@mattjohnson8445]

That’d b awesome if you could build durtymax jacks new shop!

[@dakotawilliams3300]

15:37 i died🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelcarroll991]

Also I like my bottom handrail to sit on each tread.

[@Brockski05]

hey love the videos. How come you don't use joinery rather than just big ass screws ?

[@85bcole]

It's funny how the putty guy on the crew is always the best puttier around..I was that guy once..

[@xephael3485]

Are the spindles part of a railing kit?

[@swampwhiteoak1]

Outstanding work on the stairway, rails, and balusters. Would you please provide details about the manufacturer and source for the black aluminum balusters. Is it the same company that made the railing system that you used on the front porch of Greg’s house? Also, who is the supplier of the interior wood siding and stairs. I believe you said a company from Michigan? I have very much enjoyed watching you do the interior work. The Kreg Jig and screw system is very reliable. I have enjoyed seeing you use it in projects different from where I have used it. Their HD system is very strong for any wood that is 1.5” and thicker (standard 2-by.). It makes seriously strong reliable connections. Of course I always back it up with Titebond glue. I recently finished making a tool storage shelf system for in my truck using 2”x6” tongue & groove southern yellow pine (not treated) for strength and joined the boards with Kreg HD screws and Titebond 3. The result is outstanding.

[@ArtelTroia]

Отличная работа!

[@pascalchavanon1930]

Great job👍🇫🇷

[@bradyusko6333]

Hey guys you going to address the two code issues one being the 4 inch spacing and the other being the continuous Graspable hand rail?

[@joelereeves]

since the Picketts are installed on an angle, should they have been cut on a matching angle? (You never showed a close up of the detail)

[@mikeziri]

the plugs are different. they are inclined. like triangular shape sideways.

[@joelereeves]

@@mikeziri I wasn't sure if the picket slid completely over the bracket to be flush with the railing on something like this www.diyhomecenter.com/fortress-balusters-ezmount-for-round-vintage-stair-baluster

[@matthewsnyder6028]

Nice job

[@JohnDoe-np3zk]

I like how you plugged the plug cutter. Dude that post has two odd plug looking spots down lower anyway you are good.

[@BaconDanish]

Leave that to dry and come back and sand it. Movie ends.! So either one of two things. It looked like shit after sanding. (I don’t believe that) Or he’s giving us something to look forward to. 🤩🥰

[@RRBuildings]

Hopefully something to look forward to

[@BaconDanish]

@@RRBuildings hope so to 🥰😉

[@mikesparks3398]

2 days in a row!

[@Iliketochopwood]

Those rails look really nice with the wood top and bottom with the black in between. Got me looking at my deck and saying hmmmm. Quick question how did you decide which rails and sides to run the long lags into?

[@stevebengel1346]

I'm going to be the negative Nancy here. 😂 Concerning the layout of the balusters: there should be an equal space between the newel posts and each baluster. For example, if you have 4" between balusters, you should also have 4" between the last baluster and the newel posts. Overall a pretty good video 👍

[@harrykourm2462]

Much easier to just go from the middle and measure out both ways

[@taylorh55]

How did the mounting brackets for the spindles come out to be the same angle as your stairs? Are they adjustable? Do they come pre set to an angle? I’m lost lol

[@NickWhite630]

I thought the same thing, my guess is that they are close enough that any discrepancy washes out visually when installed. Most stairs are done pretty close to the code maximum rise and minimum run, so they are probably around 37 degrees.

[@MrTooTechnical]

are those less than 4 inch on center?

[@stevebengel1346]

I believe he said 6", which won't pass inspection, if it's getting inspected

[@oliversteels7]

Such good workmanship 👌 out of interest what knee pads do you recommend?

[@zephyr1408]

Kyle far be it from me to ever suggest changes to you! Your skills are way beyond mine! On that shim? I learned a trick from “Spencer Lewis” (your skills are right there with his I learned so much from you guys Thk u) Called “Stave Shims on stairs, post and I now use it on custom tables I push out for $6500 G’s! Once u use them u will love them & how perfect they R for ppl like me who have a bad case of “COSD” ; Carpenter Obsessive Disorder maxed”