Cable Internet vs. DSL Internet

[@asrarhassan]

Fiber is a must, if you don't want constipation.

[@adamhoshel9562]

Not everyone can get it.

[@asrarhassan]

Then they shall get constipated like me.

[@brygalope8171]

Eat Quaker Oats :D

[@Malus1531]

They have Google Fiber Bar for that. Look it up

[@omarmagana5859]

Malus1531 shouldn't you say, "Google it"?

[@wiz3404]

"counter strike and chill" When did that become a thing

[@BlackStoneDiamond]

РАШ Б СУКА БЛЯТЬ

[@markom2837]

rush my banana in your lower tunnel and then BOOM

[@superneroes]

Can I rush your lower tunnel?

[@wiz3404]

Marko Tech

[@BlackStoneDiamond]

Slyceth ok

[@medhatmostafa4951]

Reading all the comments about fiber optic internet gives me a headache. Here in Egypt I have ADSL connection with a speed of 2 mb/s and that is considered relatively fast :(

[@NoviceindisguiseOfficial]

I got just cable that runs around 70 down and 25 up on average and I live in the middle of nowheres o.O

[@maddensociety7544]

Where at and what company?

[@oussamaabdelilahsofi2683]

mine is 1 mbps ,i am from algeria .

[@mohabradwan6717]

lol and when you have slow internet they just say restart your router a million times

[@sneakerheat239]

Sofi Oussama me too expect I’m in the U.S

[@TopGunCrew]

Remember when your internet would get shut off when your parents would answer a phone call, therefore kicking you out of your online game? Yeah. I don’t either. I wasn’t alive back then.

[@geekygirl2596]

I was! I never played online games though. And our phone never let the call through while I was online. Until my mom missed a call and we got separate phone lines. That lasted about a month before my mom seemed it too expensive. I didnt complain. It's fun listening in on her phone converstaions.

[@thunderfps7744]

Hahaha me too

[@addust]

I'd be triggered, and start Ctrl-Ding a clone of Graphics.COM named rage.com

[@ZeldaLover6]

My internet still cuts out whenever one uses the damn microwave.

[@Savannah_Simpson]

That’s obvious, because call’s didn’t go through when you had dial up. You weren’t “kicked off” whoever was calling just got a busy signal.

[@TransparentlyDuplicitous]

It's the best feeling when you live in one of the most famous cities in the world (NYC) and have Internet speeds orders of magnitude lower than those of fiber and can't even switch ISPs because of monopolies...

[@geekygirl2596]

Even better when you have that in rural MN and the closest decent provider is close enough to advertise to you, but not close enough to actually service your area so you get stuck paying double the price for half the speed of "the other guy."

[@forloop7713]

So you're saying that all the wall street companies also have super slow internet for their trading and whatever else they do in their offices?

[@TransparentlyDuplicitous]

@@forloop7713 It's a reality for me and those around me. Obviously, there are plenty in NYC who have good internet. Internet service providers are willing to build the infrastructure for those in Wall Street since they can pay top dollar.

[@petejacobs4076]

And they say the mafia is dead!

[@jayzonmeztdagh]

I'm lucky to be in a small city that has a 2 stable options for broadband, one of which is a co-operative cable company. The more services you subscribe, the more your dividend is at the end of the year (after your equity in the company reaches $900, which may take awhile attmitedly). This can be paid back after 60, if you move, or just because (far as I know). I didn't vote for that system, but I certainly am glad to reap the benefits. Though as people are, many around here (in Canada generally, really) don't realize how much better off we are. Now, this isn't to say that there is no room for improvement. However, it speaks volumes that a media, culture and business mecca like New York City would suffer the same shitty services from Comcast, Verizon, AT&T & whomever else is cashing in on legacy infrastructure. I mean . . . My little regional cable company can easily handle (aka the speed is there even during peak times) 50 down/5 up in it's cable footprint. They even offer up to 300 down just on regular coax (fiber in the suburbs and in new buildings obviously has higher offerings). Hell, even the phone company now has a 100 down DSL offering (how many paired telephone lines do you need for THAT?!). That people in American metropolitans get worse service than me is astounding.

[@LodanSD]

The main problem with DSL vs Cable is that in many areas it will usually create a Duopoly that will attempt to push out and prevent smaller companies from attempting to offer Fiber in major cities and major metropolitan areas!

[@9852323]

Tell me about it. That’s how it is in my area.

[@龗]

in my country all ISPs are the same ISP(türk telekom) in disguise.

[@randomgamingin144p]

im on cable here in australia.. (hfc nbn)

[@louistournas120]

@@randomgamingin144p What is hfc nbn?

[@MichaelChin1994]

Lol. At the sponsor part it's completely different hair and shirt. Smooth transition with the words, though.

[@DJSMedicate]

ye they usually shoot the sponsor spots later, even weeks after the initial video was shot. mostly because the videos go on vessel without the sponsor spots

[@serasviktoria]

and it's way louder. hope that was a one time thing.

[@michaelg4346]

I'm fairly certain he has the same hair. It may have just moved...

[@BlackLyondreamworks]

had me laughing for daaays haahhahahaahhahahahahaha

[@JonnyRocksAW]

haha yo. I didn't even notice. Linus is a magician.

[@davontemcclam3076]

Used this Video at work to help my co-workers understand this. Thank you very much as your videos are always very insightful

[@Adonis298]

empemperor hello

[@otpreet]

Lil orbits no

[@gtavbigfan1999]

I live in Romania, so i do have fiber straight in to my apartment, gigabit connection for just 11 $(usd) a month

[@devinrenshaw9083]

I have the same thing for $45 a month

[@loganbuckley2010]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXSsd3ehdqygsJY

[@Atlas-yh6vg]

omfg what, in italy i get 100 Mbps for 30€.

[@pranavdeshpande6779]

@@AKAshishKumarI am from India and I get only 50mbps for 11$

[@AKAshishKumar]

@@pranavdeshpande6779 It varies from state to state. I'm from Jharkhand and I get 50mps for $6/month.

[@waterlubber]

Bonus Information: Cable Modems use QAM (Quadrature Amplitude Modulation), which is a combination of AM and FM. The average voice takes up 2.8kHz of bandwith, and internet connection can take up several MHz.

[@EC-oo8fx]

Combination of AM and FM? that defeats the purpose of FM, the resilience to signal loss and interference is lost when you use AM with FM

[@ukLz666]

I thought QPSK is being used instead..

[@ahmettay2382]

omg my LTE connection on my phone uses 256QAM

[@starlord1219]

LINUS the ability to change clothes & hairstyle within 9 youtube seconds.. 👌🏻

[@richardestes6499]

That's the magic of video editing.

[@loganbuckley2010]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXSsd3ehdqygsJY

[@louispaquet8185]

Now these days, DSL use FTTN (fiber to the node) so no bottle neck to the node but DSL suffer from the twisted copper pair from the node to the house. For the cable, if they use DOCSIS 3.0, they have dynamic frequency allocation and channel bonding, so no bottle neck anywhere in and out of the node. Cable start implementing DOCSIS 3.1 who is way faster then DOCSIS 3.0. Only fiber optic FTTH (Fiber To The Home) can beet cable, but at what price......

[@unknownwolf4046]

At&t no longer does DSL internet anymore which sucks 😔

[@adrianafamilymember6427]

@@unknownwolf4046 how?

[@randomgamingin144p]

@@adrianafamilymember6427 maybe being in a rural area so the only other option is dial up

[@edenfrawley9247]

I'm lucky. I have no one else in my neighbourhood that uses cable. 40mbps

[@devinrenshaw9083]

That's slow because I live in the woods and get 950mbps

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@devinrenshaw9083 I have dsl and get 20mbps down and 1.4 upload. Good enough for me as I live alone and mostly just stream videos.

[@devinrenshaw9083]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe nice I used to get 2mbps and 2mbps before fibre came out in my area

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@devinrenshaw9083 fibre to the the cabinet is on my road but like 10-15% of UK people have fttp so unfortunately the majority of the country is stuck below 100mbps. My max speed I could get is like 70 download but most people haven't bothered as the adsl speeds round here are really decent. Also lots of people using unlimited 4g Internet as its much cheaper than even adsl and that gives 70 download and 35 upload when I've done speed tests.

[@furysuhaib8142]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe Lol most ppl nowadays use Fibre connection only DSL Broadband or Cable Broadband sucks today they both are pretty much outdated

[@OfficerYeknom]

I work for my local ISP in South Dakota. On our 30-40 year old HFC coax system we are currently offering low latency gigabit connections. We also have found solutions to get around alot of the downsides to coax. Also in the next 10 years, without upgrading the lines, we are planning on having 10 gigabit connections available.

[@AspenSnowfox]

Midco?

[@froghole1]

Same story for me one state south

[@The_Gallowglass]

I had DSL when it came out for AOL way back in the day. It was a hell of a lot better than dial-up.

[@TJ-sc1pm]

linus i love how even tho you get some h8 u still keep making quality content. And i can say with out a doubt that all my advanced tech knowledge comes from your videos (because lets b honest no other tech youtube channel knows how to do anything besides unboxing ramdom tech stuff) keep up the good work and stay awesome. 👍👍👍👍

[@unknownwolf4046]

Where me and my grandparents moving to I'm able get Cable Internet 😂 be much better than 4G LTE

[@broodjenoodles]

​@@unknownwolf40464g lte? You know 4g and lte are different things right?

[@xelemorf]

I have always liked these educational series. Even when I was absolutely sure I am very well informed on the subject still managed to fill in some gaps.

[@Nalojuntu]

1:44 This graph is gold. I knew the concept but it prints it way more clear in my mind seeing this. 👍

[@AndreiAndrei-yx8bp]

In Romania not having fiber is akin to being a unicorn (extra fu*king rare)

[@jumajaco]

Borat country with South Korea internet 🤔

[@RGressick]

Actually, DSL and Cable are similiar about the SHARE part. DSL carriers try to say it’s different bit its not really. DSL and cable have to go back to a node in your neighborhood. That node is where the bottleneck can occur. Yes, with DSL, you have your own line TOO the node. But in many cases, if the Node has a small pipe or order equipment, your connection will suffer. The same can apply to Cable. But yes, with cable, you do "share" a physical wire back to that node. But everyone on that wire is on different frequencies or channels. Everyone's modem will lock onto a set of channels and those are yours. Think of that as a multilane highway where you have your own dedicated lane. Where DSL is you have your own single road.

[@gt5228z]

Mostly true, except the fact that all customer premise internet equipment is locked on the the same frequencies. Each modem has a ipv6 address. This Mac address is used to differentiate customers from one another. A time delay multiplexing teqniqe is to eliminate interference. Wifi does the same thing. Each client uses the same band, but an individual address.

[@Oreoezi]

your connections wont suffer, your speed is individual AND you paid for it, if I pay for 1 gb/s internet I get 1gb/s internet,but yes, more houses share the same line but they get what they paid for

[@HCkev]

While multiple DSL subscribers might share a fiber, it's hardly a bottleneck and will not create congestion issues. On cable, they not only share the same fiber, they also share the same coaxial cable, and there are also a lot more subscribers sharing that.

[@strafenesha3555]

What DSL

[@jasonmarshall7401]

This should be post at the top I dont think anyone reads this because they keep going on and on kind of funny

[@tituslafrombois1164]

In my area, AT&T charges $60/month for 6mbps DSL, and Spectrum charges $45/month for 400mbps cable.

[@alexeiutgoff7955]

Xfinity is $55 for 600mbps

[@tituslafrombois1164]

@@alexeiutgoff7955 where you live, sure. Good for you. Xfinity isn't available in my area. It's literally AT&T's DSL or Spectrum's cable.

[@cosmin-dragosbarbu7107]

I used cable and DSL. My one remark about these 2 connection is about the ping. I had better ping over a DSL connection than I have now... about 10 years later with cable. I want to mention that we are also talking about different countries here. The DSL connection was in Romania (10 years ago) and the cable is in USA (today).

[@ChristinaKilgore]

We don't get to choose here, only one singer provider giving us a crappy 3.5 Mbps down and a shitty .5 Mbps up (and this is speaking max capabilities) over a shitty DSL line. For anyone curious, the monster isp is called Centurylink.

[@jdave1157]

Same

[@Silentwisher]

Same

[@markyanga7599]

wait till you go to my country and apply to our service provider. You'll pay more than what is intended. You get 3 mbps that does fully utilize which leaves you .25 down and up (it depends)

[@markyanga7599]

+Mark Yanga doesnt*

[@pointyposeidon]

I got 50Mpbs with Centurylink? and they go up to 1Gig, Love Centurylink. At least over here in Washignton State

[@sandykahlon]

Cable was only used for TV in our region, we had Dial-up then DSL from 50kbps to 4Mbps over the span of 15 years. In last year's they stated offering 10Mbps but it used to come only 2-4Mbps. Then fiber came with high price leased line with same government company. Then some private contractors started offering fiber 200mbps was one of their early customers, they didn't had any advertising etc(was not widely spread and high cost of installation), Now major private players are in our region offering fiber to home free with few months of subscription. undercutting every local player, But the main thing is downtime, local ones got overloaded with customers their whole server started going down. For example 3 years earlier or say from last 15 only 2 homes had Internet connections on our street, now it's 20+. Now the speed we get is 300mbps 1000mbps, Since lived my whole teenage on less than 2Mbps and after using 200mbps for 6 months, I figured out 50mbps to 80 is more than enough with low ping for homes. At 80mbps you could play four 4k streams easy. Downloads are so fast lol.

[@cheyennedogsoldiers]

Quality of the telephone network in your area also make a difference to DSL. Several years ago I lived about 7 miles away from my ISP's exchange, however I moved within a half mile of it yet my speeds dropped. Difference being I move from a 7 year old section of network to a one that was over 20!

[@nicklavioletteiii2183]

That feel when you're stuck with Frontier. Worst ISP in existence.

[@Coder-zx4nb]

Yeah I tried them for a while and it was a joke how unreliable it was. The internet went down on a daily basis for me. I really don't know how they stay in business.

[@javierlayne1837]

I've had Frontier for over a year now and had very few problems. Even with my pfsense box.

[@biscuit4524]

That feel when Frontier is the only isp where you live. 😢🔫

[@5558sean]

Frontier is ass for the price i pay

[@MrTechsi]

I think dialup is an improvement over frontier, I'm stuck with them and their shoddy dns

[@MegaSouthpark99]

Here in Florida we had DSL thru CenturyLink for like 15 years until Ian took out all their infrastructure, now we have cable with Xfinity who's the only provider in our area now. Both cost around 90/mo incl. Home phone and get roughly the same speeds, 30-40 Mbps but Xfinity will bottlecap a lot at certain times of day.

[@TetraSky]

When factoring in the "dry loop" fee, Cable is cheaper, faster and more reliable here. Last time I had DSL (with BELL), download speed was all over the place, one day I could get higher speed while on the next day it would be 56k speed. While with cable, my speed never got below the advertised speed, at any moment of the day. They also didn't try to throttle me, like BELL did with my friend during "peak hours".

[@StefsEngineering]

Large overkill here, fiber (500Mbit up and down) You dont really need it but it is nice when you try to watch multiple HD streams or download video's/games etc. Watching youtube @ 4K gives peeks of only 50Mbit.

[@StefsEngineering]

Agreed, I just upgraded my PC and had to download everything, did not take to much time!

[@thewhitepanda60]

+CS:GO сФинщини or just download it over night lol

[@Julianna.Domina]

I've got 100 down and 4 up. It pisses me off that KZbin sometimes cannot saturate the available downlink. So, a 1080p stream only uses 10 megabits? Preload the rest of the damn video.

[@heckyes]

What? You don't back that stuff up?

[@q......]

+enticed2zeitgeist I am not the person you responded to. However, not backing up games is somewhat common. Maybe the O/S install corrupted and or they couldn't easily retrieve the files? Maybe knowing his dl speeds were as they are just re-downloading them is just less hassle overall? Also re-installing games rather than moving the files over from previous installs results in less issues. It's better than it used to be, but some games don't like it.

[@diskgrind3410]

Loved my DSL for 15 years, now have fiber DSL so fast, kick ass ping.

[@OldTrafford110]

And here I am in South Africa with 100mbps fibre internet :)

[@antikommunistischaktion]

I have you beat, I have 1Gbps fiber and my ISP offers 10Gbps fiber.

[@OldTrafford110]

Wow that's insane. We can get 1gbps here as well but not my area. But i will never complain about 100. I got it in feb this year. Before that i had 4 down 0.5 up

[@samuwall]

+Ryan Cavitt (Kira) where do you liveee

[@antikommunistischaktion]

Bob McFlurry Tennessee

[@omarosman9255]

what isp do you have?

[@Prahlis92]

It really baffles me how far behind the US is in internet infrastructure.

[@Dannybythebanana]

What country are you from? I'm pretty sure we kicked your ass at some point.

[@AbdallahTeach]

@@Dannybythebanana American fragility. You can't handle criticism over the internet.

[@hihaveaniceday9386]

Let's be honest America is huge our city's are spread out by a huge margine compared to European city's which are compacted like a sardine can

[@neonicplays]

Creamyguya I’m like 100 percent sure he’s American.

[@sephangelo4603]

I was in the US one time and fucking Comcast was ripping off my family. That ISP were highway robbers. Their internet wasn't even that fast and the ping aged badly for my family. Good thing I moved to Mexico with better cable internet.

[@domgag1756]

One of the hardest things to do, I so "dumb" down tech stuff so most can understand. Well done !

[@racionador]

only now i downloading at 12Mbps , after years stuck on 1Mbps, its amazing how things changes

[@zakb.7108]

Get 16 Mbps, went to visit mum in Morocco, 4Mbps in theory, 730 kbps went I tested. Loading a page? Go for your work you might skip leg days if you wait.

[@tralphstreet]

@@zakb.7108 I get 30MBps and I live in argentina... Seriously you guys are behind.

[@mohamedrefaey6287]

I get 250 mps and I live in the uae you guys are way behind

[@vallgamestudio]

Got 500 mbps here in nothern germany lol

[@herroberbesserwisser7331]

@@vallgamestudio i get 4 mbits in eastern Germany.

[@KevinBenecke]

I remember when I was first starting out and was using dial up how I thought I had a fast connection when I first got to try the 56K. It's comical now with today's speeds. My ISP offers up to 1gbps. My desktop actually has the capability of using that speed if I wanted it. But I use Comcast's blast speed of 250mbps. Most of today's kids won't even get to know the torture of hearing that dial up tone and the inconvenience of not being able to use the phone when someone was on the internet.

[@Nukity]

I was born in 2000. I had american online dial-up in NY until 2011. I'm still using up to 3Mbps DSL. This state has poor rural service.

[@herroberbesserwisser7331]

Well i have 4 mbits. Lucky you.

[@unstoppableluckq9985]

Meanwhile I’m a kid and had to wait 9 years for 1MB/s and now it has worsened and it’s 75KB/s my speed for 9 years was 200KB/s Why is the world unfair (100MBps internet)

[@derokinge]

@@Nukity ikr

[@XTR_NEELAN]

I know

[@joaocarlos78]

studying for comptia A+, linus always explains eavrything in an amazing way

[@mxthunder2]

Love my DSL. 24Mb down/1Mb up for $45/month. wish the upstream was faster but it is uber reliable. the local cable company was great for a few years but stopped offering there 15/5 service and the reliability went to crap. i live in the middle of a corn field, literally. lucky to have what i do for service.

[@Shortley]

Your service is better than mine, mine is 6(ish) down and .5 or 1 up I dont remember. And we live down a short dirt road, and we literally can't get anything better

[@TAnimations]

@@Shortley You do not realize how much I wish I had that.

[@doedoe9221]

Wow! I pay $30 a month for 300/300 mbps

[@rohit5149]

Me 50 $ for 9 months unlimited 40mbps

[@Nathan-lt6bw]

I pay 81$ a month for 8.8mps LOL

[@mihaperko7659]

Meanwhile in Romania you get 1Gbps+tv and stuff for 25$/month

[@AlexanderPavel]

Well, the economy is also in shambles, so you earn much less than in the US. Thus, they can't charge you as much. Kind of like how an apartment in San Francisco can cost $2000 while an identical one in a small town or city could cost 5 times less. There's more jobs and more money in San Francisco (housing is also a demand priced thing, but you get the point)

[@y0Relapse]

+Invisible Retards 50 dollars for just 2 mbs bruh wtf

[@NGC1433]

It's more about shambled economy's ability to get real fiber optic connection into any small apartment when there is no fucked up monopoly screwing up citizens. You can earn all the money, but what the point if smiley salesmen still take it all from you for shittiest service possible. Hello from Latvia, 250MBPS(as per speedtest.net, not marketing bullsit) , no cap for $13 a month. Come tell us about economy, yeah. And healthy food habits.

[@ScrumplexOld]

Meanwhile in Germany: 50MBit 30€/m

[@skyr8449]

that sucks, were I live you can get 3gbs for that price, and up to almost 10gbs

[@Charlesb88]

Just a few additional bits if info to add on DSL: Most modern DSL service providers offers higher speed DSL by combining multiple sets of copper wore pairs to get behind the maximum bandwidth limits of traditional single pair and shared voice.data DSL technology. Also while fiber to the home (FTTH) connectivity is still uncommon, there are a few compromise DSL technologies that are becoming more common, fibber to the curb (FTTC) and fiber to the node (FTTN). The former means running robber to your street then running a pair of copper wires to the home just like traditional DSL. A bridge device installed in the phones combatting cabinet in the street converts the DSL signal to fiber and the fiber signal to DSL in he reverse. FTTN is like FTTC but instead running it to only your local neighborhood, it runs to a bunch of neighborhoods in an area (say up to 100 homes, for example). Typically, they run two pairs of copper wires| using ADSL2/ADSL2+ technology (aka ADSL v2).

[@dansearle1613]

DSL (PPPoE/PPPoA) is better for online gaming as the latency tends to be much lower than cable (DOCSIS). In fact, on busy cable networks upload contention can be a huge issue for online gaming, giving very "lumpy" upload channel, with upload "slots" only becoming available every 100ms or more. This can lead to very poor online gaming "lag". VDSL2 FTTC is probably the best you're going to get.

[@JohnCiaccio]

I have been using comcast (don't hate me) for years and have never gotten slower then my rated speed. Even living in areas where everyone around me is using comcast internet. The whole "party line" thing has been proven years ago that it only happens in MAJOR URBEN AREAS (areas with a large amount of apartments in a very limited space). In which case your DSL I bet will suffer even worse due to your ISP not allocation several million dollars worth of connections and equipment it would take to keep it going at full speed. I have seen several other videos from him and he seems to either be unable to get cable or has something for DSL. If you know anything about electric you will know that a small telephone line just lacks the properties to support what a large cable line can do with ease. Nice little explanation video while not being completely honest about the differences.

[@funnypranker34]

i got comcast too, good internet but expensive AF

[@JohnCiaccio]

Up until this year you could haggle with them. I always paid $39/month for 25 megs down minimum. they'd always raised it to 75 with a couple of months for free. However they seemed to play hardball now. 😎

[@JohnCiaccio]

Catnip Most of the normal areas of the U.S. of course if you go out west in the very rural areas there is going to be very little infrastructure in place. Fiber is always best then coax (cable) and last the old phone lines. Coax cable's by nature can carry a huge amount of data by using different frequencies. Fiber is optimal but coax cables have been around since the early seventies so it is the best option in established areas.

[@Billy123bobzzz]

Actually cable companies oversubscribe rural areas as well, it just depends on what they feel like it, so you might get great speeds today but might be reassigned from one node to another (it happens) and get terrible service tomorrow. The cable companies save money by putting as many people on one node as they can get away with.

[@speedrollrbrian1860]

Wrong

[@randomdude7749]

In a small country, named Hungary, there's a relatively small city, even though it's the biggest one in the country, called Budapest. In this small city, if you choose the right ISP and sign up for the right service, you can get fiber internet without even paying too much.

[@joshuvaantonio]

A really helpful channel which explains everything fast! GReAT!✌️🏼

[@kenshin47x]

I used to have 3.0 Mbps AT&T DSL... Keep getting disconnected and slow half the time... switch to Spectrum Cable, 100 Mbps is awesome!

[@louistournas120]

If you are having such problems with DSL, then the phone line is probably old. They use copper wire and when it is exposed to air, it slowly forms a hydroxycarbonate layer. Points of contact get covered. Remove the wires, scratch off the oxide layer, screw it back tight and you are good for a few more years. Coax cable has the same issue. If you don't want oxidation, then use gold or platinum or such.

[@carlosk8103]

Same though also started with 3 Mbps I stayed with them for a while they upgraded their DSL to 15Mbps last I was on it... still sucked Cable blows it out the water... I think they can up to 100mbps on DSL now...

[@GallopCrush]

UK internet works are lot different. I can't get cable in my area, but I do have BT Infinity Fibre that you need a phone line. The underlying network is fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC), which uses optical fibre for all except the final few hundred metres to the consumer, and delivers claimed download speeds of "up to 76 Mbit/s" and upload speeds of "up to 19 Mbit/s" depending on package selected. The fibre terminates in a new roadside cabinet containing a DSLAM, from where the final connection to the customer uses VDSL2 technology.

[@avrel820]

Hi Linus you didn't mention VDSL 2 like i have over here in France

[@deezychesse]

Same i also got vdsp 2

[@MCatwar]

4:05 was that an isp pun?

[@rastarockerzz]

ISP is an acronim for Internet Service Provider

[@MCatwar]

+Rodin Tudor yeah I know that irs cuz he said "your quest" ya know quest is an isp heheheh

[@jayc.landgraf6828]

That ISP's name is spelled "Qwest". Now it is called CenturyLink, which I had for like 5 years. I had to change to cable after we moved because it was slow.

[@LoboGrossgerge]

In Mexico the last ADSL provider is Telmex. It’s the cheaper but it’s the slowest, tho. They have two technologies coexisting, ADSL and optical fiber, but it is mostly ADSL out of the main cities. It’s average speed is 1-3 Mbps in ADSL and 10-20 Mbps in optical fiber. Cable companies are between 20-40 Mbps at a little higher rate. Optical fiber companies are also 20-100 Mbps but they’re more expensive and mostly you can’t opt out of TV and landline services. On average, Telmex ADSL costs $18 USD per month, Telmex optical fiber costs $18 USD per month (the same but since it’s a hybrid network with ADSL, has not much of a speed). Cable costs $20-$40 depending on the speed and if you have TV and landline and Optical Fiber (the biggest provider is TotalPlay) costs $30 USD and that’s the base package.

[@TheCheaterofall]

Why didnt you include vdsl? Or is that not very popular in canada/america?

[@TheDuckOnSpeed]

what about g.fast?

[@patrickchallita3699]

VDSL uses fibre. The point of this video is current technology

[@ivangranic]

because VDSL stands for very high bit rate dsl and it's still asymmetric soo it's basically adsl on steroids...

[@ivangranic]

Oh and VDSL only goes to 1300-1400m of cable lenght while ADSL can get up to 5000m, although it's basically 56kbps at that distance..

[@ivangranic]

+Patrick Challita VDSL uses copper

[@cannonball666]

I miss the squawking of the 56K modem. I want to get it as a ringtone.

[@ByteOfRamen]

Australia is getting the NBN upgrade. The fibre comes from the isp to the nearest node around your street, then from there it is either fibre the rest of the way, copper or cable.

[@kida569]

When are GTX 10 series coming to laptops?

[@TSLMPP]

why do you want it for laptops

[@deodex2067]

+Krissreisa why not

[@sambalpark888]

Wait for the rumours and press leaks to come by until then not for now..

[@kakashi99908]

Pascal was made for mobile gpus should be coming soon

[@TSLMPP]

Duck pascal was not made for mobile gpus

[@przemek4101]

In Poland there is a 100% fiber connection available even in really small towns as well as in villages. ;)

[@makotoyuki2199]

Przemek Poland is a rapidly growing country so that makes sense. Y’all are lucky. I got lucky with my Internet because of Spectrum Business. Best ISP in America in my opinion. Google is just lazy, AT&T is mostly Copper and not Fiber unless you are in a populated-ish area, and SuddenLink usually gives 50MBPS or 100MBPS. Spectrum is basically the powerhouse here.

[@fusion_gemer1657]

Nie, nie ma światłowoda u mojich dziadków we wsi

[@sku32956]

Yep my guess the govt paid for it all ,over time that will be money well spent !

[@pksmb1120]

The thing about DSL "being your own" I can't necessarily agree with, because if you have a phone service that oversubscribes its bandwidth (like Windstream) to its customers, you will suffer speed reduction. I used to live in a small town where the fastest DSL speed I could get was 6Mbps and more than half the time I'd be lucky to even get 1Mbps down. At times it would be so bad (like 7PM) I'd be lucky if I could even get a simple web page to load. Thank goodness I live in a place now where I can get cable. I will NEVER move to an area again that doesn't provide cable internet. As a video editor, my productivity depends on it.

[@DarkLordKitty]

6 years later and I am still waiting on google fiber to come rescue me

[@leandroamarillo3262]

Dsl also tends to have lower latencies but is way more prone to interference that can result in lower speeds

[@repeatrepeatrepeat]

dsl has lower latency than cable? didn't know that

[@ivangranic]

Not lower speeds but connection losses are very common in bad cable lines

[@leandroamarillo3262]

It can cause lower speeds though, in dsl the spectrum is divided in frecuency channels that can individually be set on or off. Since higher frecuencies are more affected by signal attenuation the higher channels shut down the further you are to the source (that's why linus says while taking about distance) but high interference like engines turning off and on can make some channel also shut down. So the less channels available the less speed in the link between your house and the provider

[@leandroamarillo3262]

It can cause lower speeds though, in dsl the spectrum is divided in frecuency channels that can individually be set on or off. Since higher frecuencies are more affected by signal attenuation the higher channels shut down the further you are to the source (that's what linus says while taking about distance) but high interference like engines turning off and on can make some channel also shut down. So the less channels available the less speed in the link between your house and the provider

[@batman9614]

Depending on the quality of your lines, when its dry out my ping can be 2-5ms, but when its wet out, somewhere along the line there must be a leaky connection, it can go as high as 1500ms

[@adinnugroho6544]

Watched this video since moving away from pain as heck wireless Antenna Internet into a lot better fiber internet and it's dedicated (Fiber in my place is reachable, and appeared maybe since 2019/2020). Back then, Internet through Antenna, shared with neighbor even going to Internet spot were common until fiber came to our place, where it was impossible to reach Linus said "most of us don't live in area where we can get a 100% fiber", but my place is reachable though 😅😅

[@camerong3674]

I tell you what is funny is that new zealands main centers are getting fibe before places over seas

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

I am lucky to live around all old people who don't do many heavy internet tasks.

[@gabrielandy9272]

NEVER EVER GIVE A SMARTPHONE WITH WHATSAPP TO THEN THERES NO GOING BACK THEY WILL DOWNLOAD THE ENTIRE GOOGLE LIBRARY OF FLOWER IMAGES ALL DAY.

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

@@gabrielandy9272 That could never live up to the sheer magnitude of me using 5tb of data in a single month.

[@Kneedragon1962]

An observation from somebody who has used both, in Australia, cable is usually a bit faster, but it can and does bog down at peak times. So does ADSL. Cable is stable and reliable and a steady connection. It works great for 'always on' internet, and it's very rare for the connection to drop out. ADSL is the opposite. It drops out constantly, more so at times of peak use, and also if there's bad weather around. (It doesn't particularly like rain, but it really hates lightening.) Cable typically costs about double what ADSL costs, which is fair, because it's at least twice as good. The overall difference in speed is not quite that much, but cable is just far less trouble. If you do something like say stream movies, or mess around with many different linux distros, which you need to download at about a Gig & half each time, then go cable. You get$ what you pay$ for.

[@bc9477]

it's sad I still have the same max speed of 8Mb/s in 2017 as in 2010. And still no chance to get anything better. I'm in Europe for god sakes!

[@Hanzomo]

Blaz Cigale Germany? and do you mean 8 mbyte or mbit?

[@bc9477]

Nope, Slovenia. I mean 8Mbits / second Basically 1MegaByte/s Infrastructure of fiber optics is pretty poor here, only around major cities, while outskirts still have to use shitty ADSL, that usually maxes out at 8Mbits/s, with exception if you are very close to the network node.

[@Hanzomo]

Blaz Cigale Yeah its the same situation here in germany many people still only have 16mbit max while in the large cities people get 400mbit :/

[@theq4602]

Well thats what socialism and communism does for yall idiots.

[@dubsy1026]

David Vermillion since when where any European countries socialist or communist? The main reason is that Europe is so highly developed per Km that it costs loads to buy land rights to install fibre and it's not worth it in anything smaller than a large city, and only in high demand areas.

[@timdo265]

In germany you get 400 Mbps via cable for 45 euro per month and a 100 mbps via dsl for 40 euro per month(by vodafone)

[@RichGrueber]

In Aussie dry link is called Naked DSL and on cable I get about 400-500 meg on a good day. During the evening about 250meg. It helps I am surrounded by older folx.

[@hardikpopli]

Here in India, I got 2 connections: ADSL: 16 mbps down + 100 gb/month + free calling facility throughout the country. Fibre: 20 mbps down + unlimited usage. all for $17/month.

[@IgnacioBalboa1]

show ur vegana

[@parishsirius]

50 Mbps unlimited fiber connection for $20

[@youlol7331]

600Mbps download and 30Mbps upload from cable company for 59PLN ($16.5) per month.

[@ironmanhero1]

But you still living in India so that doesn't sound good

[@Natalie-ez1zc]

sho bob and vagana pleas

[@hugo112max]

Prices in the Netherlands : €50 for 150mbps €60 for 300mbps and €70 for 500mpbs (not cable or dsl) all include tv and phone. Good prices or not ?

[@hugo112max]

500/500 is on fiber

[@emialis]

30€ for 10mbps/1mbps doesn't sound so bad until you realize that it's actually 3mbps/0.4mbps That's the way we do it in Finland.

[@ibrahimtastekin275]

Dude, that is amazing. In a lot of countries, you don't even get more than 150mbits.

[@vince086]

Ireland: You can get 6 months half price if you call the company and say you're going to cancel. So 42.50€ for 6 months (12 month contract) for 240 up and 30 down. That's with TV channels and a landline. So looks like it's a bit cheaper over there.

[@Handle-Unavailable-x]

and if you live on the countryside of netherland gg phone cable and going to 600kb/s down and 70kbs up GG still waiting for my fiberglass internet

[@b4ttlemast0r]

DSL seems to max out at about 300 mbps, while cable can reach gigabit, but DSL in my experience tends to have more upload speed compared to a cable plan with the same download speed.

[@francist.8654]

*Updating Dota 2 Reborn" *Downloading GTA V"

[@bricknboxer]

Remember when your party line rang two short rings and one long ring meaning the call was for your home and not the neighbors? No I didn't think so.

[@briggs9187]

One misconception is that Cable is Coax only, for a while now Cable Providers have been using a Hybrid network via Fiber to Fiber Optic Nodes that converter from Light (Fiber) to Coax (Cable), and very recently due to the high demand of high speed internet without the lag when many people are online, Providers have double and now triple the amount of Forward Frequency carriers from 4 channels to 8 and now 16... but 32 is on the way just on the TX and the RX is about 4 to 8 (This is why you get faster downloads than uploads). As of right now, as it sits, 1Gb/s can be brought to the home through the same old cable (Very Costly), and even more requests and demand are making Cable Companies start converting to Fiber direct to the home.

[@jjooruuudii879]

lel xd A station is legit 10 meters away from my house

[@borsvel6565]

Mine is like 4 km

[@TaigaAisaka]

There is legit a station in front of my house

[@TheTrisiP]

Mine is in the basement... (FTTB / VDSL)

[@TheTolerableGamer]

Having DSL doesn't always mean it's slower. I work for an ISP that provides DSL connections and I've seen speeds of 400mbps download and 200mbps upload.

[@zaydabbas1609]

Whaaaat my theoretical max is 50 for my line but it gets worse at night

[@leroyw.8323]

You were probably 1m away from the node.

[@laserguy8673]

I worked for one too. We had a system that could do live analysis of a DSL service line. It measured everything, power spectrum density, signal attenuation in dB, transmit power of both the DSLAM and CPE (modem). It also showed the IS/RA connection quality and hardware used in the station, it even calculated the signal-to-noise ratio in dB. You could also select to perform analysis with vectorizer enabled or disabled What an awesome system that was. Max i measured was 389.355 kbp/s. No fiber between CPE and station

[@laserguy8673]

Forgot to mention, it also measured the approximate lenght of the dsl line by performing a sonar like test in the line, measurement where accurate. My isp actually owned ALL stations in this country, the netherlands, so they have max privilege over the systems

[@Outfrost]

#TheMoreYouKnow Also worth considering is that badly maintained DSL connections (essentially badly maintained landlines) can cause serious packet loss*, which in turn has a very noticeable negative effect on multiplayer games, where you (your avatar) might suddenly teleport, experience choppy movement and actions, see the opponents in the wrong positions or, in extreme cases, you may even lose connection to the server repeatedly. Though TV cable connections aren't immune to this problem either, they usually just decrease the throughput in times of heavy usage, without much impact on latency. * packet loss is when device A sends a packet of data to device B, but device B fails to receive it or receives it in a deformed state and is thus unable to read it. This can also happen if your connection (of any kind) is full of packets being transported (as in, you can't squeeze in anything more) or a piece of network hardware can't cope with the amount of traffic it's getting. (that's how DoS attacks work, btw)

[@RealRed2266]

I live in Washington State and I have a download speed of around 70 mbps and I just bought a 500 Gb SSD and downloaded a game on it but it still took almost 2 hours(it's a big game) because it was downloading at the max my internet speed could go!! WE NEED GOOGLE!

[@Link8451]

RealRed2266 LUL we have a local fibet optic here in longmont

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

Realreed2266 MBps is not megabytes but megabits so your downloads speeds show for file downloading will be less than what your ISP says. 8 megabits is 1 megabyte, so 70 megabits is like 8.5 or so megabytes. correct me if I am wrong on this or not accurate.

[@1gigatitan]

Wtf, Australia gets 24-30mbps on a hood day

[@davidgustafsson5822]

viperdemonz jenkins a bit late but yes, you are correct, with 70mbit per second you could TEORETICALY download 30 gigs per hour

[@SamsterBirdies]

almost 2 hours? dude... thats nothing. Im used to every game taking 5 hours. (20mbps). i cant complain. its still better than 20 hours to download games on my previous xfinity internet at 3mbps...

[@asrarhassan]

I think ADSL is also a shared connection at ATM.

[@Billy123bobzzz]

No, its not shared in any way. ATM is a backbone technology that transports digital phone calls. Each phone call has its own bandwidth/channel. All phone calls in the US are transported on the ATM/SONET network (notice that when you call someone, the call is not "shared" yo only hear the one person that you called). The ATM channel that you are on is yours and yours alone, it transports you directly to the Internet on your own private connection.

[@OnlyKelp]

0.03 mbps down .06 mbps up Yay!

[@Fantastika]

How are still alive? I live in a forest and get 20mb down 15 up

[@OnlyKelp]

Fantastika I’ve been dying because of it

[@zokam7792]

@@ramenonegaishimasu do u mean 50kbps????

[@amrh.maysara621]

@@ramenonegaishimasu Lucky

[@amrh.maysara621]

@@ramenonegaishimasu lucky

[@ani.kei.animations]

I wish I had better internet... my download speed is 600 Kbps - 3 Mbps, takes me over an hour at best to download a 1 GB update

[@yukarifloof8267]

same

[@geraldtalbot6400]

The type of cable used to provide either DSL or Cable internet (which incidentally is also DSL) is called the "bearer". Every type of internet connection goes into a DSLAM (Digital Subscriber Line Access Module) whether it is cable internet over DOCSIS 3 or DSL over a phone line. The length of the cable will reduce bandwith regardless of the technology used and the bottleneck with what Americans and Canadians call DSL is actually caused by the number of subscribers the ISP choses to place on any particular DSLAM and not necessarily by the length of the copper connection. This is also true of FTTC connections where a fibre cable is run to a street based DSLAM and connected to the customers existing copper connection on the distrubition side of the copper network, this eliminates the telephone exchange side where the copper cable could be as small as 0.32 not 0.5 as most distribution cables are but whilst FTTC connections tend to have less subscribers per DSLAM bottlenecks can still occur. Even if a pure fiber connection were used the fibre would still be split into 32 subscribers all using the same fibre connection back to the exchange via the GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Node) so if you have SDSL (which is becoming less commonplace) you will never have a shared comnection. Just to give you some idea of how I know this, I used to design fibre networks and provide PDH, ADSL, SDSL, FTTC, FTTP, SDH, ROADM, Metrowave and aggregated wideband services to residential and business clients and worked in telcommunications for over 25 years.

[@Draktyr82]

vdsl is fiber to the node or fttn way faster then adsl

[@kylehan5999]

Ahahahahaha Verizon Fios for the win...... i was promised 50 Mbs up and down, instead i get 60....

[@rusticpineapple787]

Too bad I live in the middle of nowhere:/

[@KOSAMAGAMES]

I have fios but those bastards sold california, texas, and florida to Frontier who is shit.

[@Marshal6000]

I have frontier and I hate it.

[@cpufreak101]

i have time warner, promised 50Mbps, get 56K dial-up

[@KOSAMAGAMES]

Justin Noker yup thats why as google fiber spreads I'm enjoying watching these companies die inside as their monopoly falls apart. Even if they offered fiber and at 50% off googles price I'd still pick google cause fuck these lame ass companies.

[@anthro_jesse]

we have DSL , AND we live in a romote godforgetten town about 25km in straight line with the ISP hub , and we still have 500 mbps , where our old house had DSL as well , at only 3 streets from the ISP main , and we only had 55 mbps , ( when we always took the max internet pack that gives you whats availible at unlimited data ) meaning if the have 200 mbps bandwith left , you get 200 mbps , if they have 500 ( which is most of the time ) you get 500 , the highest i got is 750+ mbps during holidays when half the country was celebrating and so there was a lot of bandwith free , i've downloaded nearly all my steam games from my library on my new pc in a few hour , and that were 21 games ranging from the whole assassins creed series till gta 5 that day , yiihaa belgium ultra high speed internet fiber would be to costfull , the price to get it monthly is nothing , but you have to pay for your own connection from your place till the fiber hub , which would cost 14.000€ to just connect us

[@JohnnyD]

Man I'm stuck with hughesnet for 2 years.... Spectrum doesn't support my area

[@fool4563]

Feel your pain man :(

[@jxteeee]

I have hughesnet too

[@shibainu492]

hughesnet makes me pay 90$ monthly for 360p on youtube

[@jxteeee]

Shiba Inu I have 240p

[@DerangedFetus]

i love 3.2 mb/s download and .7 upload speeds

[@OsaSoft]

The dedicated DSL statement seems weird to me, as I know that ISP in my region have DSL bandwidth thats shared across more people, usually with an aggregation of up to 1:50, while UPC cable has usually no aggregation at all, making that dedicated. Also would love some info on VDSL and how it differs from ADSL

[@Oli420X]

I got 2kbs down :)

[@TheGanxta24]

how the fuck are you watching this video then?

[@tjackman]

And I've got 60mbps up and 70-80 mbps down.

[@upai990]

I got 47kbs down and 3kbs up :)

[@TJSinghVideos]

check my speed on my channel and ull laugh ur asses off

[@joost00719]

2bytes, most ISP's advertise their speeds in bits, not bytes That would mean you have 0,25bytes down, and 0,5bytes up :)

[@johnyby1981]

Very good job Linus, weel done - BTW - you need some relax - you start getting grey hairs :) you doing very good job Linus.

[@13firebug13]

(In Australia) I used to be with Optus ADSL and it was crap! I done a speed test and we were getting around 8Mbps download and not even 1Mbps upload. We were starting to get really over it, so we switched to a cable service with iiNet and are loving it. I done a speed test just now a got 95Mbps download and 47Mbps upload, we sometimes get around 300Mbps download.

[@antongs9569]

Wat about vdsl

[@Billy123bobzzz]

VDSL is faster but just has not been deployed in any significant numbers. Maybe the phone companies are waiting for the cable companies to apply more pressure on them before they start mass deployments of VDSL or maybe the phone companies are waiting for fiber technology to come down in price to do large scale deployments of fiber.

[@HCkev]

VDSL is just a type of DSL, it works on the same principle, but makes use of higher frequencies. Just like the difference between ADSL and ADSL2+. The V is for Video, as you can get fast enough speeds for broadcasting video. VDSL2 for instance can get pretty fast, but you need to be pretty close to the SLAM (or Station, as Linus is calling it). The cabling between the SLAM and your modem needs to be less than 800m to get good speeds. But if you're close enough, you can still get a stable 100Mbps download. Some ISP will also use pair bonding, which will basically combine two lines to be able to reach faster speeds.

[@GRBtutorials]

HCkev Actually, the V is from “Very-high-bit-rate”.

[@GRBtutorials]

Billy Bob The reason why it hasn’t been deployed massively is that you need to be near the cabinet. Starting from about 1.6 km, there’s no advantage respect of ADSL2+. I’m at 3 km away (42 dB attenuation), so...

[@nicko9799]

GRBTutorials NBN in Australia uses VDSL2 technology to connect it’s users to fibre to the node You can get good speeds of up to 100mbps for up to 400m after that good luck

[@JohnnyD]

i wish google fiber or youtube covered my area :'( nothing does

[@JohnnyD]

at&t….

[@SergeJCCote]

Very good work and great delivery. Good use of analogies to help demistify technical issues to non-initiated. The pipe analogy is one and I've also used roads and vehicles to move people (i.e. data)

[@unknownwolf4046]

Me and my grandparents got new house yesterday my cable internet coming tomorrow Jun 29 2022 at 6

[@UngaBunga566]

at 3:46 he was itching something😂

[@Chrissy4605]

ASDL A=asynchronous. Not asymmetrical.

[@Theo_Caro]

No. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_digital_subscriber_line

[@user-os8sq3uh4n]

Asynchronous would make little if any sense.

[@Cvolton]

what about the DSL bottleneck where your download sucks if you use up your upload?

[@bjarnethomzik8223]

400mbits/sec download 20mbits/sec upload Easy🙂

[@toapsingh]

Dsl or cable?

[@bjarnethomzik8223]

@@toapsingh cable

[@toapsingh]

@@bjarnethomzik8223 country?

[@bjarnethomzik8223]

@@toapsingh Germany

[@thegamingcat3202]

Me too :)

[@ashergreenberg]

Sucks for the rest of you, I've had fiber for a year now. Oh well, may the odds be ever in your favor

[@TheIgnoredGender]

I'm interested in upgrading my 28.8 kilobaud internet connection to a 1.5 megabit fiber optic T1 line. Will you be able to provide an IP router that's compatible with my token ring ethernet LAN configuration?

[@hotwaterintub1]

DSL is way too slow. I am with Charter cable. And not a dialup connection and it is so much faster.

[@HCkev]

Depend where you're located. If you're close to the high speed equipment and the lines are in good shape, you can get pretty fast and consistent speeds. I've seen attainable rates of 120Mbps on VDSL2.

[@0xssff]

"Creamy delicious data" :^)

[@zzzs624]

;o

[@wahtakk5684]

Fiber is not available in my area. Only DSL by centurylink and Cable by xfinitynis the only choice. Is an apartment, so which one do you prefer then?

[@SH3player]

*Google Fiber will NEVER come to Canada! HA! HA! HA!* I have it, lol

[@anakin2397]

Is it good? This is why I dislike being in Canada. 'Murica gets everything first

[@cianquigley6495]

+Anakin except chip and pin. Ireland has been using this for years now, and only some places in America are only starting to use it now

[@rjfaber1991]

+Anakin - You might say that 'Murica gets everything first, but if you're looking for good fibre coverage, you're better off forsaking North America altogether and coming to Europe or the Far East.

[@sharks445]

Fibre is coming to Ontario in late 2016 so, you're wrong

[@DJCryonic]

Europe? Take a look at Germany, you will see fibre coverage (FTTH) about 20% around 2020 xD

[@jobanvirk4030]

64 kb down and 30 kb up gg india

[@jobanvirk4030]

15$

[@repeatrepeatrepeat]

*kB which is actually 512kbps down and rip up. I guess you are on BSNL. don't worry bro our government is upgrading every plan from 512kbps to 1mbps minimum from 1st August

[@velveetasucide1255]

+jobanjit singh I get 3kbit down 1 up for $3 a month in the US. 75% packet loss, 400ms+ ping, 2GB data caps and lots of censorship. Quit yer bitchin'

[@sharks445]

be grateful you have internet in India

[@thefear420]

poo in loo