Blacksmithing, Tempering, & Altering Guide (Basics/Advanced) - Legend of Mana

[@krida123]

what am i doing wrong? i followed your guide exactly on the ribbon. for steps 1-4 it worked perfectly, but once i started the optional i get a pixie card thrown in. im guessing it came from the creepy eye. did i miss anything? like to do something before the optional step?

[@CaedoGenesis]

I should've been more explicit with the optional step, as it takes the place of the first varnish. No biggie though, use 3 lilipods and a holy water to get the pixie out, then continue with the optional as shown.

[@krida123]

@@CaedoGenesis thank you very much, that did the trick :) ive played this game back during the ps1 era almost all the time, but me and my friends never figured out this smithing stuff very well. so glad you put up a video for crafting in this game. it's very helpful

[@banyubiru2195]

@@CaedoGenesis I'm having the same issue. But what confuse me in this additional steps is do you apply this when pixie card appears or before starting the optional steps?

[@CaedoGenesis]

​@@banyubiru2195 Yes, this's if you want the optional varnish and did the first one by accident. The pixie card's gonna appear no matter what if you already tempered in the Creepy Eye, so you can rinse it with the 3 lillipods, and 1 holy water anytime after that point to remove the pixie.

[@perfduck]

Shout out to the one guy who understands this system. This game was made for you bro. Nice video

[@CaedoGenesis]

There's dozens of us if you can believe it, DOZENS.

[@JulioAnthonyLeonards]

@@CaedoGenesis nice video broo! i am playing this again on xbox haha

[@taxtiriti6126]

​@@CaedoGenesis Tobias??

[@mountainmgtow5421]

This is a great guide! I am so happy I already went through all this when I replayed Legend of Mana back in 2019. It's fun, but it's a giant time sink. I give all credit to helping me in all this to "A German Spy". Fabulous Legend of Mana scholar. Oh! It's not "Luke-ray", it's just "Luker".

[@blujay1608]

1) I'm so happy this game is still being played. I've never met anyone who knew about this game. I bought it and the player's guide on a whim when it was my 13th birthday in 1999.

[@JulioAnthonyLeonards]

sameee!

[@AlphaSections]

I never could forget this game! So damn good!

[@forgottenjack]

Damn! I've been waiting for a guide like this for 20yrs! Great job man!

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

The fact that the game gives you nothing to go on for the items is what makes it special. There's always a feeling that you can find something new. Its a mysterious feeling that i love. This game is a unique masterpiece.

[@mbe102]

Its in every aspect of the game, it makes it so incredibly wondrous and magical.

[@jordanahart-m3v]

Agreed!

[@icyblue878]

Dude, all I can say is thanks so much for this. I've read and watched other FAQs and videos on this topic... you really helped me out. I'm really enjoying playing through this game again with some actual knowledge of the smithing system.

[@pupsaderpupin5627]

If only I had this when I was a kid, I would have destroyed my little brother in PvP!

[@dippn7047]

Including the links in description was the cherry on top of this beautiful video

[@CuteExponent]

Step by Step processes are so very nice, Thank you for the basic and intermediate examples given! I hope you're also willing/able to make a pet guide too. All the views for you!

[@Mid-iala]

Yesssssssss, what a blast to the past! I remember having so much fun making these convoluted weapons back in the day, getting insane-o damage and wiping the floor with every boss I found!

[@RoeJaz]

Easily one of the best intro videos to tempering

[@drahcir7x23]

Thank you for this, used your recipe to make Dior Wood Spear, same recipe, 811 power. Thanks for the basics.

[@Riskbreaker1802]

I am going to try with Dragon Spear atk 713!!! My strongest was now 113atk. Amazing guide.

[@TheJynkers]

@15:09 If I'm remembering right, it was MystErikEry who came up with the Wind Cap + Clear Feather recipe.

[@MattMazzatenta]

You don't need to keep using spiny seeds after putting yggdrassil on a weapon, you can just do anything that doesn't use a card. I usually use random meats till it hits 10. It's only if you have a demon and need to make it climb even faster to offset the demon penalty.

[@nosferatuzodd5086]

Sir, can you tell me what is different slash,force and heavy attack???

[@emmasofia3622]

@@nosferatuzodd5086 Weapons like Knife, Sword, 2H Sword are good in terms of Slash. Heavy Weapons like Hammer, 2H Sword, 2H Axe and Staff, Force Weapons are for example, Love, Flail and the heavy weapons too. Tech Weapons are mostly Knife, Spear and Bow.

[@anakzerdadu]

Years ago, I managed to obtain about 280 atk and super proud about it. this man got 711, dayyymmm

[@fearyn]

Wow thank you so much for making this!!! I appreciate your patience in making this for the people! ;_:

[@Nezarus0]

Man, I remember spending ages with my trust GameFAQs guide grinding materials and trying to understand this ridiculously convoluted system.

[@davidwilliams8169]

Thanks for the receipts. Even watching the instructions multiple times I’m still confused, so at least I can make some OP gear without really getting it.

[@rocketprime]

I can't find it anymore but I remember reading a guise that said you can max out the element levels of any equipment by using just gold or silver coins and chaos crystals in the correct order.

[@PasosOlvidados]

Gold coins only give 64 energy in that respective element and getting to a lvl 9 Essence level requires ATLEAST 256 energy even when the item has 3 of the corresponding Witch or Sorcerer cards. The max essence level I’ve seen or personally done is 15, and I’ve gotten a 15/15/15/15/13/14/15/14 essence level on an Aerolite weapon before. Anything other than Aerolite, and you are looking to use nearly 15 Mirror Piece items to create Mirror World Cards that reverse essence consumption, but honestly, making a TuttleRock weapon using the Aerolite method will create a weapon strong enough to destroy anything in No Future Mode.

[@MattMazzatenta]

This is the best one I've seen yet. Thanks.

[@tirtoyudip]

Thank you for this! I use gameshark on PS1, so I don't know the right way to create ultimate weapon. 😅 One question, is it possible to create another type of weapon with that dragon scale recipe and get the same atk?

[@CaedoGenesis]

It's a universal recipe, but most of them will have different damage numbers, the highest being spear (711) and hammer (937 - With 4Holy Water & Giant's Horn Varnish). The damage will still be high enough for No Future Mode for any weapon you make with this recipe.

[@tirtoyudip]

Cool! I must farming from now. Once again, thanks for your great help through this video!

[@nataliabeckscaramuzza5316]

Can get the Dragon Scale Spear or another Spear reach 999 atk? If Yes, can you tell me or show in a video? Please

[@actor765]

Maybe im three years late but i wish there was a guide this good for golems

[@Coxis67]

Anything like this but for Golem making?

[@dcrawford813]

This was amazing

[@robertarmstrong850]

Before anyone else makes a mistake like I did 😓 if you dont use his recommended base and change it to dior wood for the spear instead of dragon scales and then use this exact same build, you get 811 damage on the spear! This one small change will give you 100 more damage! You can farm dior wood from the Woodlins (the big tree guys) with your poltier box

[@KJ-mv2fw]

Tyvm for this guide, i just crafted blind when i played the game way back XD

[@henkhenkste6076]

this game's systems are insane...

[@Vsm426]

It fried my brain

[@Nikita_Sinov]

Большое спасибо за отличное видео, 20 лет назад, когда играл на PS1 - то радовался оружию с уроном в 70+, а тут такое 0_о

[@kakashi0909]

i tried making the sword elazul gave to you if you picked pearl in the quest teardrop crystal and the end result was a sun/moonlight sword with 284(from the basic 40), having 202 / 2 / 40 / 40 stats and +3 luck and +1 to all. its also a 6 element across the board.

[@JetBlackThreat]

I remember printing out books on this in highschool at computer class 😂

[@DakobaBlue]

There's so many steps!

[@AllenTax]

Well yes. Made that way. Of note. Makeing money early. To when you have smithing. Just put in 4 clear feathers into a wind cap. Both are on the Luon Highway. Clear feathers from the bee monster and wind caps from the cone monster.

[@rockbark2137]

1 million strikes 😂

[@benhelms1921]

So I shouldn't worry about this until later on when I can afford it?

[@oidemetrio]

any guide for a begginner staff + begginer music instruments? i would appreciate :)

[@ElidanVideos]

It's extremely worth mentioning NONE OF THAT INFORMATION MATTERS if your goal is to complete this game. This is SPECIFICALLY if you are planning to grind New Game+ on increased optional difficulties like Nightmare and No Future. That hikes the stats and hp of enemies in ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. This game, if you don't go for NG+ is trivially easy and you will be more than capable to complete it without ever touching Crafting at all with what is provided from general shops. Videos like this make this game look like some Japanese grind fest, while it's the most comfortable and relaxed experience you can find out there. Would hate to see people being turned away from this game if they decide to look for some advanced videos. Otherwise - great guide.

[@CaedoGenesis]

I wanna give viewers a little more credit as this is a guide for a specific system in LoM rather than a review. I don't think newbies are just gonna stumble in here and their first stop would probably be my tips and tricks instead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5qzfZ1mZZV5r6M . I love this game, and I'm assuming you do too, but basically all the side activities in LoM are grindy by nature. Any way I can help understanding and make it fun for those that want that grind, I absolutely will.

[@wpninja83]

I feel like I just learned the mystery of the whole cosmos listening to how improving weapons works in this game. Why did they have to make upgrading so convoluted?

[@ignacioc.7255]

nice guide bro! but what are gold elemental coins for? you used silver ones only on the advanced spear recipe so i kinda got lost there

[@CaedoGenesis]

It's been a minute, but I went with silver because it keeps recipes a bit simpler. If you really want to, gold elemental coins can be used when an essence is at zero to boost it up by two, after that though it's not necessary to use them.

[@ignacioc.7255]

@@CaedoGenesis damn, thanks for the quick answer!

[@emmasofia3622]

Gold Element Coins are the best for strong Magical Instruments. Especially with Materials like Dior Wood, Altena Alloy, Dragon Scales, Fossil, Gaeus' Tears, Tuttle Rock and Lorimar Iron (and mostly with Flutes).

[@masyitaharifin7858]

Does anyone know where I can find Holy Water? Help pleaseee

[@Bloodysbuddys]

This is insane... wow thabkyou.. gods work

[@LeiKultur]

I listened to the entire video and I still don't get tempering beyond it seems to be a card game where you smash fruit into a sword.

[@hihyou]

Eeeeeeyyy! You did it! Good on you!

[@be643]

I can't get the plus 10 stats for the last option. My pendent just gets weaker.

[@CaedoGenesis]

did you varnish twice by accident? I wasn't explicit there, check the pinned comment if so.

[@be643]

@CaedoGenesis not sure what you mean but I'll check. Thanks

[@kuroshinko427]

For the 2Hsword, should I use the slash varnish or the cleric varnish?

[@CaedoGenesis]

I think either will work, since I believe 2H Sword has equal Slash and Heavy amounts.

[@kuroshinko427]

@@CaedoGenesis so I'm assuming that gauntlets get the cleric varnishing. One more question, how to varnish a bow weapon?

[@CaedoGenesis]

@@kuroshinko427 Bumpkin X4 and Sharp Claw for a bow I think. I linked the Mana Forge in the description to help calculate these too, it should help.

[@nosferatuzodd5086]

Sir, can you tell me what is different slash,force and heavy attack???

[@Megaton_Matt]

Do you know all the other Master Moves??? I want the whole list if you know where to get them

[@CaedoGenesis]

Check the links I left in the description, I don't know if there's a list for all of them, but you'll find quite a few in MMajarra's guide

[@GentleGiantAudio]

Thank you for this guide!

[@Nenacu]

Quick tip: A seed is a seed, unless it's a spiny seed. Then it's Yggdrasil. Otherwise, all seeds act the same.

[@CaedoGenesis]

Flat seed gives more energy than big seed. If it was 2 big seeds, Dryad would've been 3 instead of 4 on the beginner recipe.

[@Nenacu]

@@CaedoGenesis is that so? Never found that in any of my work. One seed always seemed just the same as another. Maybe it doesn't matter as much in longer operations.

[@natebug0884]

@@Nenacu thats prob it Ive been messing around and I have seen that

[@rodrigobispo7343]

Dude, you are a god. Thank you

[@jeusguela8353]

There's something wrong about Lapis Lazuli ingredient i did it correctly but the optional Tempering when i add first the glow crystal it becomes pixie card

[@CaedoGenesis]

I went ahead and pinned another comment that asked this same question, since it's something that I didn't state clearly. The optional varnish for the ribbon is supposed to be used instead of the first one, not after. Even if you did though, 1 holy water and 3 lilipods will clear the varnish and you can do the optional after that.

[@jeusguela8353]

@@CaedoGenesis thank youuu

[@ValeVin]

I was looking at your notes link, and I think you copied the translated guide, which gets the Magic Shot plunge attack wrong for bows. It actually requires the Raven, Wolf, and Witch cards. (Peach puppy will add the wolf card.) Not the sorceror card. I just tested this to be sure. The plunge attacks also don't mention which ones upgrade the damage a lot on their own, which can be handy to know. Treefeller on a 2H axe does 'major' damage instead of 'medium' even when you're not fighting plants. Same with the Magic Shot. While the default is medium and Medusa Shot does weak damage, Magic Shot does major damage. Since it's the double shot plunge, the two arrows can hit different enemies and one-shot them both, which is fun. Otherwise, thank you for this! It's really hard to get into crafting. I love how the community not only has guides on how to make the ultimate 900+ weapons using metals, aerolites, wood, dragonscales, or even just felt cloth, but I like that there are a lot of recipes for people on their first playthrough. I know there are a lot of recipes out there for an improved Forbidden Ring. Do you happen to know what the strongest possible ring with exp share on it would be? If you do another set of recipes, I'd love to know. I have fun levelling pets, so I hate leaving behind the experience share quite yet.

[@Owieczkin]

Strongest forbidden ring recipe, coming up: 1. Make an Adamantite ring 2. Forge in a Pine o'clock OR Stinky breath(wash with 4 holy Waters afterwards), 3. Boost Salamander essence to 5 and forge in a Sharp claw 4. Boost Undine essence WITHOUT chaos crystal, so you can erase Salamander essence 5. Forge in a Squalphin 6. Boost all the essences except Salamander 7. Make sure there's no world card like Ancient moon on your ring, or forge in a needle/needletuce 8. Forge in: Spiny seed, 2x Needle/Needletuce, Ear of wheat 9. Forge in several meats until Yggdrasil card gives you +9 stats 10. Forge in Moth wing Tadah!

[@Owieczkin]

@@nosferatuzodd5086 hello, are you asking about different armor ratings?

[@nosferatuzodd5086]

@@Owieczkin no, i think this about weapons damage type like Slash,force, heavy and tech???

[@Owieczkin]

@@nosferatuzodd5086 ooh, you mean the weapon properties that can be boosted in the forge? Basically all weapon types have different properties that you mentioned. Sword has all of those equal, hammer has more heavy and force, than slash and skill. There's a data table with all this info somewhere on the internet. It all comes down to a method of final damage boosting, that works the best for your favourite weapon. For slashing: 4 bumpkins + sharp claw - attribute bonus limit: +9 For heavy: 3 holy water + giants horn - attribute bonus limit: +3 For force: 3 ash + scissors - attribute bonus limit: can't remember Before final tempering simply save the game, and see what works for you best ;)

[@nosferatuzodd5086]

@@Owieczkin thank you sir!!!

[@n-Chantreuse]

1 million strikes is about how many it will take to make something of worth...

[@Nenacu]

Second comment from me. You're sleeping on Dior Wood my dude! That has some of the highest advanced tempering values in the game. More 999atk weapons come from Dior then dragon scales.

[@CaedoGenesis]

Not that I'm sleeping on it, Dior Wood would've needed its own section explaining the natural dryad growth and how to get around it with normal essence raising. Adding more variables would've complicated a 35 minute guide further, so I didn't.

[@TIGiant]

@@CaedoGenesis Lol, than I'll hope there's more from you on the way.

[@ariecos05]

Can we have pet raising and natures too?

[@tommy0828]

I need to know how to craft a strong Armor with great Hp regen

[@emmasofia3622]

You can do it with strong Materials like Dragon Scales or Adamantite and even Dior Wood (or any other good material like Fullmetal, Gaeus' Tears, Fossil, etc). Start by adding any seed or Dryad Silver Coin, then add two Needles (Bed of Thorn cards) and a Springanana (Heaven's Scale Card). Finally, add it a Moth Wing for magical defense boost or 1 Eye (each eye gives a certain defense type for armors). It prevents you from reviving, but it helps to regenerate life very well.

[@notdohn5692]

What does material shop level 3 mean, and how to change it, help me :'(

[@CaedoGenesis]

Sorry about that, I should've been specific. Level 3 material shops are made by placing Lumina or Geo 7 or more spaces away from your home. If they're already placed, you may have to wait until New Game+ to get your Mercury & Sulphur.

[@notdohn5692]

@@CaedoGenesis Did you also follow the placement of the map as in the walkthrough?

[@nataliabeckscaramuzza5316]

Can I replace the Dragon Scale for Dior Wood or Althena Felt?

[@CaedoGenesis]

Both would work fine, the essence growth will be different so the numbers will be also. Dior Wood with the spear process might have a bit more damage by the end thanks to its natural Dryad growth, while Altena Felt, being cloth will probably have a lower attack rating.

[@nataliabeckscaramuzza5316]

@@CaedoGenesis I have chance the itens? The recipe?

[@nataliabeckscaramuzza5316]

@@CaedoGenesis althena alloy can be used too? Is it better that althena felt?

[@CaedoGenesis]

@@nataliabeckscaramuzza5316 Test it out here: forge.grendel.fr/ There's other links I left in the description to help figure that out too.

[@nataliabeckscaramuzza5316]

@@CaedoGenesis with Althena Felt and the same recipe, atk 655 Thank you very much

[@sevothtartesama18]

Thank you so much for your work

[@anzilluuri]

I guess my version on vita is ?glitch?. Or RNG has screwed the game. 😕 Did the menos axe thing to try to understand. But lowered the axe to 2 power. Ty for the video though.

[@NAVYSEABEE]

Thank you so much!

[@Vsm426]

Is this applicable in pc? It seems the pc version got nerf

[@CaedoGenesis]

Yes, I did all this in the PC version.

[@Vsm426]

@@CaedoGenesis I'm still new at the game the link you provided the mana fan site I followed the instructions on the power sword recipe and it came only 88 instead of 113 any idea why? I'm really confused 🤣

[@CaedoGenesis]

@Vsm426 You did in fact follow the recipe properly but that one was missing the last item of the varnish for whatever reason. A Giant's Horn should be added after the Holy Waters and should bring it up to 113. I recommend testing recipes in the mana forge I linked too ( forge.grendel.fr/ ) , it's super helpful in testing/coming up with recipes.

[@Vsm426]

@@CaedoGenesis wow I didn't think you'd reply sooner thanks for taking the time to correct me 😁 you deserve a sub and follow

[@anayalater34]

I greatly appreciate the time and effort it took to make this but I'm following to a T and my shit ain't working lol 😭

[@consimisyon2890]

thank you

[@myrhythm4208]

Fastest way to hunt elemental spirit coin gato grottoes dunguen. Spirits are so close that you can just run to the nearest spirit and get your coins. Note: its better to place sword of mana artifact near gato for max elemental spirits. your welcome.

[@terrancecaad915]

I have no idea how I did this when I was a kid lol I had an insanely strong weapon. All these years later I have no idea wtf I was doing 😂

[@clydecash5659]

I appreciate an immersive experience but this game fucking failed hard when it came to smithing. You will literally go 80% the game before you're able to do anything significant to your weapon. Even then, it is a hot mess.

[@hidoikatsuragi]

now, pet minmax

[@myrhythm4208]

Fastest way to forge 4 Same elemental spirit coins 1 Glow crystal 1 Chaos crstal Repeat process but diffirent element spirit coin when its all done 4 Bumkin Your welcome.

[@ToUnderstandAFool]

A better trick with dragon eggs is selling off the eggs with less than 68 health points. Walk around until your 5 68 health eggs are hatched. The result is land dragons that sell for 5000 each and you needed to go by the orchard anyway

[@zombiemassacreify]

I still think sky dragon is stronger but maybe land dragon is better tank

[@ElidanVideos]

When you sell not the egg you just caught but the one in the orchard you get the price of a hatched animal, so you get 5k, so your suggestion is utterly wrong.

[@NICKWINNER232]

11:40

[@DrummerGhisi]

holy shit i played this gaem most of my chidlhood and i never knew smithing was so insanely complicated!! why the FUCK didnt they explain it correctly? why can't we see the energy stuff, the costs, the cards and stuff, holy shit. the game literally explains nothing lol just "yeah keep hammering things in and pray"

[@paweopalczewski6533]

I also feel like there's not enough explanation in the game itself, maybe there were more sepparate guides in japan back when the game was released. And I think there's not enough utilization of powerful armors and weapons u can create because the fight system in the game is getting boring, easy and predictable later on, even on non-future mode. Maybe u might have fun with making a powerful golem out of that fancy weapons which will... one shot everything. But I think the tempering system itself is one of the most interesting, ingenious and mysterious I have ever witnessed in an rpg game. By the way, we still don't know up to this date what all of the cards exactly do.

[@Vsm426]

@@paweopalczewski6533 holy shit

[@GentleGiantAudio]

Man is anyone else having trouble fullmetal? From the beach crabs?

[@Borrawinrpg]

Holy fuck this is so confusing. How did you get the list of what to use? What if I use different items. Will it mess it up?

[@CaedoGenesis]

M Majarra's guide I linked in the description includes all primary and secondary items, and most of their effects. The mana forge which I also linked can simulate forging without need of wasting time/resources in your game to find out what does what.

[@emonsalt]

i just threw in anything until it's 999

[@AllenTax]

Your pendant was kinda good till you decided to put the thorns into it. 😣 As hope people realize you can't have your character HP regain with Bed of Thorns in any equipment equiped. As regain or HP heal to walking effect wont trigger. Could be better with + 20 base stats.

[@ghazezali742]

Bed of Thorns effect can be negated if Heaven's Scale is presents right?

[@AllenTax]

@@ghazezali742 If it is in the first slot,visible slot.

[@Owieczkin]

How about Goddess of Love card from Damsel sigh instead?

[@yohsephcassidy7324]

epic

[@harlequin0823]

Still makes zero sense. Wtf is this system lol

[@Vsm426]

I agree

[@tedted528]

I read lot of guide and still confused 😂

[@kfk4441]

...I swore myself not to get into crafting here after finishing playing atelier and the every quest run in this game... Oh boi, here we go again. I blame this game's artstyle

[@TurdFerguson362]

this is the worst forging system of all time

[@paweopalczewski6533]

Or the best one

[@bluestarkiller]

Ahh I don't know what I'm doing wrong but using the same steps with a 1h sword the attack only goes up to 484 🥲 I tried both the bumpkins and holy water varnish and I'm getting the same result

[@CaedoGenesis]

That actually sounds about right, sword, axe, and knife will be a bit lower because their attack rate & combos make up for damage. 484 is still high!

[@bluestarkiller]

@@CaedoGenesis oh ok. This was my first actual high end tempering attempt so I thought I had screwed something up. I did change the plunge attack to moon goddess so it worked with the weapon type since Trident doesn't exist for swords and I thought that had messed up my numbers. I can one hit kill sky dragons now for my dragon scale farming so that's a huge plus. Thanks for the recipe!

[@Vsm426]

@@bluestarkiller the quick combos will compensate for that