Paul london shoots on Hardcore Holly Beating up Rene Dupree

[@warrensloan3467]

I always enjoy Paul London interviews, he comes off as one of the few people who aren’t trying to get a job or get on someone’s good side, he’s just telling you what happened. It’s refreshing to hear someone speak without holding back.

[@ishmael802]

Right. I think thats why Rene and London haven’t been on AEW or WWE. They don’t play the political game or kiss anyones ass like 95% of the wrestlers today.

[@golgotha3938]

He's the Roy Keane of professional wrestling 😁

[@aaronrobinson8394]

100% the man made his money and got out don’t blame him. Waste of a talent, was very luckily to be a kid when he held the tag belts

[@LouisCsanko]

Paul is Good Money.👍

[@FACTSWITHANTHONYJAMES]

Man I just gained so much respect for RVD. Anytime you heard stories about him he sounds like a good dude.

[@themadrapper101]

He slapped Taz that wasn't nice

[@calebthemastermind9924]

The calm an laid back an most chill. Are always a different type of animal. Wouldn’t be surprised if bob an jbl knew not to piss off rvd.

[@VodkaSoda]

@@themadrapper101 He did ask him to pick a hand though👋

[@themadrapper101]

@@VodkaSoda Imagine if Taz did try to fight back. RVD would have put him to sleep

[@tripleraven]

rvd has also brought up this on his you shoot

[@branhasyoutube]

I've heard this story before. All that shit over a parking ticket when you're a 15 year veteran in the largest promotion in the world. I like Bob Holly but dude was on another level nuts sometimes.

[@durden2480]

Holly couldn’t be a man about it. Such a weak pussy move

[@slow71971]

That's because Brock had the mean streak mentality to put him down.No disrespect to Rene.He tough as well.

[@austinfrazier7325]

@A Shot of Hennessy agree 100%. Both of those guys are asshiles and I have 0 respect.

[@AAAskeet]

@A Shot of Hennessy yes a coward

[@PraiseThaDon]

Bob Holly was just a Bully. He tried being tough with Brock and ended up with a broken neck. RVD is a real one. Bob knew who and who not to mess with. RVD even made Triple H back down.

[@guitarheroguy5]

RVD doesn't play, he doesn't give a fuck in the best way possible.

[@illkid86]

Van dam also had a martial arts background to

[@Jay-ml2hd]

Triple H was soft back then

[@illkid86]

@@kylejoseph7849 he would o f gotten his ass whipped if he tried shut tf up

[@illkid86]

@@kylejoseph7849 hhh couldn't hold his own with Scott steiner tf he gone do with van dam?

[@trancebruh3231]

The Smackdown locker room in the mid-2000s sounds like a shitshow. A bunch of grown ass veterans taking the made-up politics and etiquette of their scripted sport way too seriously while the young guys try to endure it and make a living. Benoit also participated in a lot of that hazing bullshit around this time and was spending a lot of time with Bob Holly, so that should tell you something about the fucked up mental state of the guys doing this shit.

[@Basillikos]

There's a clip of another London shoot where he mentions Benoit/Holly/Jamie Noble all traveled around and hung out together like a clique and took younger guys under their wing just to mess with them.

[@The_Great_One]

It's the other way around. The vocal majority speaks as if it was a brotherhood and the wrestling court antics are generally in good natured fun, it's the guys that didn't make a huge name for themselves or are too stuck up that keep complaining.

[@master-of-mind5881]

The smackdown locker room? You mean the wwe locker room in general!! 😂😂😂

[@craigdavis5818]

Benoit, and Jamie Noble were nowhere near as bad as Bob or JBL. Those two were absolute cnuts

[@Traypeats]

Pretty crazy how bob lost it like that over a parking ticket, yet brock lesnar snapped his neck like a twig and he was super cool about it and never said a word to brock about it despite being in the same locker room as him many times.

[@forgottenmma3694]

Right

[@benjack8477]

Bob is a typical bully he picks on guys he thinks he can bully and they won't do anything about it obviously Bob didn't try anything with Brock because Bob knew Brock would do something about it

[@ishmael802]

@@benjack8477 thats why he beats on young wrestlers like matt capateli

[@brettheath7127]

if Bob even dreamt about Brock he better wake up and apologise

[@illkid86]

@@brettheath7127 lol ali

[@mrsinister8943]

Wwf\wwe has always been a despicable place,I can't imagine all the stories we've never hear about. You can see why good guys like RVD and London were down played politically. The locker room was knowingly toxic asf and I don't think Undertaker tried to stop any of it and probably isn't as innocent and good as people believe.

[@misterslats]

It's ridiculous how many people say they walked on eggshells EVERY DAY of their employment. The mass releases of talent must do little to nothing to foster a sense of employment stability in the wrestlers.

[@lucag.lisickza425]

Undertaker is another selfish guy like the other wrestlers.i don't know who is saying Is a good guy

[@davidnelson4347]

@@lucag.lisickza425 you know by personal experience ?

[@illkid86]

Undertaker had seen Shawn's and the kliqs bs from the 90s idk why he didn't step in for the 00s guys

[@illkid86]

@@misterslats if u domt stand your ground you'll be picked apart

[@MajesticHarmony]

The last week I’ve been listening to a lot of these interviews, I have to say it’s a great podcast man. Looking forward to more. Y’all are cool as hell

[@cafederene]

Thanks bud,got some great guests lined up

[@forgottenmma3694]

London is right. Hardcores were done away like 1 to 2 years by that time because WWE was getting away from Attitude Era stuff. WWE is a snakepit

[@tl5957]

Paul London man ! I love this Dude, Rene you are so dope man such a chill & down to earth guy always loved you man !

[@tb7871]

Bob Holly was pro for 20 years and the only thing people remember him for is crap like this. You'd think in all that time he would leave some kind of in-ring legacy, but no. Go back and watch that clip of him assaulting the guy on Tough Enough and you'll learn all you need to know about Bob Holly: he's a bitter, insecure, career jobber.

[@Paparoach493]

@Azphalazl Seprimanium i have that exact same memory of him that and on smackdown giving someone the Alabama slam, but thats it

[@evolutiontail5697]

There's a lot of memories that comes to mind in regards to hardcore holly. Him teaming up with Crash Holly and Cody Rhodes His neck being broken on smackdown His arm being broken by Kurt Angle His match with JBL in 04 His short match with Brock Lesnar at the royal rumble

[@Enoch_Owl]

I personally always enjoyed his in ring work and he was one of my favourites growing up as a fan. Only having other people's accounts of the back stage stuff(as I obviously wasn't there) it would be wrong for me to comment but we've seen several "incidents" on camera that confirm the picture people paint of Bob. Whether it makes him tough, a bully, a badass, a nutter, etc... is a matter of opinion I guess. All I can say is that I liked Hardcore Holly as a wrestler and character and so do many others. It also might be true that you might need people like him in the wrestling locker room otherwise you end up with what we have today. But again that's a matter of opinion and it does seem like he went too far at times.

[@vanalbright9868]

RENE GIVE US BETTER LIGHTING...WE CANT SEE YOU

[@jasonstrickland342]

If there was even less lighting, we wouldn't see him maniacally playing with his hair

[@forgottenmma3694]

It would be great to see a mixing board, some podcast mics🎙 and a spruced up background. I can’t wait to see the pod grow and they evolve the pod.

[@kmole-rw6bi]

Get your eyes checked

[@canadianmade5838]

Renè i want to say ive really been enjoying these snippets and i know you've been through alot but you made it through good for you i think you definitely need to be proud because your fans definitely are

[@forgottenmma3694]

Facts bro. Rene been through the muck. It’s crazy how being talented, built like an adonis and young will put a target on your back from jealous vets.

[@Salisboury]

I always wondered why didn’t Rene strike back when they were in the locker room, but as it was a sneak attack that barely lasted a minute it makes sense why he didn’t get to strike back.

[@bane3991]

And he's a 20yr old kid

[@hayatorpg3896]

@@bane3991Yup the vets would have jumped him out of biasedness

[@MrMontythemouse]

Watch Holly vs Haku (Meng) in 2002, he is on his very BEST behaviour in that match!!!

[@NICKWAPPERER117]

Because meng would've raped him for acting like he usually did towards others. Meng was and still is big on Repsect

[@lloyd9710]

Haku would of stretched him else

[@vincesmith2499]

It was 2001.

[@MrMontythemouse]

@@vincesmith2499 I stand corrected...u sad git.

[@jamessunderland7435]

@@MrMontythemouse Shite like that is why I HATE wrestling fans😆

[@Toadsage77]

Im not surprised Sparky Plug got that mad about a vehicle related offense.

[@thejmc4074]

Excellent work.

[@crazyfun5150]

It’s unreal how much WWE enabled Bob Holly for all the shit he pulled. I always hoped Rene would have stood up to him and kicked his ass.

[@HighIQP2001]

I wish paul London was a co host on here

[@forgottenmma3694]

Sometimes I can’t wait for the next Cafe De Rene to drop. it would be great to have a paul london podcast to fill the wait time.

[@rossl5908]

Yeah same

[@calebthemastermind9924]

Bob said supposedly that he stood up. To Kevin nash an Scott hall an Shawn Michaels. Scott hall responded bro if you would’ve got mouthy with Kevin. There be nothing for me an Shawn to pick apart. Honestly bob an jbl n bubba only bully who they can. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

Yeah, Shawn I can understand, but Scott Hall literally killed a guy in a fight, and you want to fight him and Kevin Nash?

[@markrobinson9394]

@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues Shawn would literally be the Mafia Boss hiding behind Kevin and Scott and avoiding any physical confrontations.

[@mickporter1488]

@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues he allegedly got into a fight in a car park the other guy pulled a gun scott Hall wrestled it from him pistol whipped him and it went off.

[@scottarnott439]

There's nothing I despise more than a bully-they are nothing but gutless cowards.

[@extremepop324]

Paul London, underrated wrestler of all time. He's legit.

[@AxEWorlD]

It’s so wild hearing about GROWN ASS MEN being petty bullies actually hurting people because they’re new or they don’t like them. That’s wild! And how we look at mental health these days as well as concussion issues…what a different time.

[@forgottenmma3694]

If you think this is bad look at JBL and the Smackdown Lockerroom bully Have Chad Dick get knocked out

[@butchvito]

It's wild hearing GROWN ASS MEN allowing other men to "bully" them. It's no difference than being in the school yard. You sit back and take it, it shows you're weak and have no self-respect. You stand up for yourself usually people will stop messing with you. Men have been completely emasculated in the country. Everyone is a whiney "victim."

[@codesm96]

Jesus Christ Bob...Johnny Ace set Rene up that's for certain, this was 2004 and last hardcore matches on shows were back in 2002 which Paul is right they got rid of when they released Raven, Crash and after getting rid of the Hardcore belt. I understand Paul felt he could have done more to stand up for Rene but it's likely Bob would have turned on him too despite not having any major heat with him at the time and what Van Dam did was good getting him off Rene after the match was done which is pathetic...beating on Rene in a shoot when he was trying to do his best to put on a decent match, Bob should have been fined and tbh suspended imo for that but since it's a set-up they wanted this to happen otherwise they wouldn't have put a Hardcore stipulation in a match at a house show in a town like Syracuse. What shittiness that no one should have to deal with especially in a company as big as WWE it's all about making sure you put on a great show and not try deliberately injure other talent on purpose especially by fighting them in a shoot. My heart is always with Rene on this one, glad Paul helped Rene get to the hospital and was supportive of him throughout, a person like Paul London to travel with on the road and is a good friend in the business is someone that makes life more bearable as a WWE Superstar.

[@markrobinson9394]

Rene, I’d like to apologise to you. A few years ago, I defended Bob Holly for what he did to you because I’d heard his side of the story and I allowed your heel gimmick to cloud my judgement, because you were an amazing on-screen heel that was able to piss off the fans with a simple dance. After seeing you on your podcast and hearing Paul’s version of the incident, I am not afraid to admit I was in the wrong. Regardless of what led up to the night, Bob was 100% wrong for his actions. In what universe does it make sense that a 20-year-old is more mature than a 42-year-old man? He was more than twice your age. Ridiculous.

[@MS-dc2tt]

Defending Hardcore makes anyone an @$$hole.

[@jmo8934]

Whatever age Bob Holly would have been he was and always will be an @sshole so it wouldn’t have mattered.

[@TrialzGTAS]

I like HC Holly but he’s just a jobber with an attitude problem

[@timnavarrette6932]

Paul London and Rene Dupree seem like cool dudes

[@Blackson187]

Love these clips.

[@darensparks]

Both guys seem like really cool people.

[@juanbm7381]

Not gonna lie Paul and Rene chemistry is on another level

[@spacefacerex9153]

Paul London isn't just the man, he is THAT man.

[@dxfifa]

Jim Ross lost a lot of respect from me for his comments on this. You quickly realise he must have been complicit in it. I get the feeling JR was really good at framing things so no one realised how much he himself was screwing guys over. Probably deserved a lot more heat from the boys than he got. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3bIoo1ma5ijhM0

[@grimreaper9477]

Im glad someone else sensed that “good ol” jr isnt so good after all, i always sensed he was sleaze ball and it baffled me how many wrestling fans online didnt catch on that.

[@illkid86]

@@grimreaper9477 wwe wanted to promote jr with this sympathy bs because he was sick like he's so innocent

[@dxfifa]

@@grimreaper9477 JR was really good at framing things in the right way to make people like him and he leveraged that to put the heat that should have gone to him onto other, less likeable office figures

[@michaelduck5208]

I've always suspected he was one of the few who was in on Montreal

[@dnn86]

I've been realising this same thing about JR and I thought it was just me. Good to know there are others who see it too.

[@omedon666]

I've watched a few of these now, and as great as it is to hear from these guys again, Rene comes off as... like, forgetting he's on camera, rather often haha! Mouth open, weird facial expressions, like I'm glad he's comfortable and it's great that he has this platform, but I can't help thinking "we're live pal" haha!

[@forgottenmma3694]

Bruh, you new guys need to get used to the show or shut up

[@JayCord00]

So he should act fake and not being himself , because of what actually ? People like you are the real problem 🤣🤣

[@TheBigChad]

RVD sounds like the coolest dude man. He had a lot of peoples respect. He wasn’t trying to be this larger than life person. He’s just a hippie that can kick your ass

[@32189djsddk]

You and Paul have amazing Chemsitry. He should be a cohost

[@forgottenmma3694]

James is a great Co-host. Also a great producer of the pod.

[@ratskate9951]

I liked Rene's Interviews on Hannibal TV, this podcast sounds interesting! Keep the content coming!

[@BrockAwesome]

I wasn't watching wrestling when Rene was wrestling but i am definitely becoming a fan of these clips. The Vince McMahon conversations I think have been great for awareness and has really added to the scope of things happening; especially with interviews with some of the men and women that were around during the Diva's Era.

[@jeremyfratefrate6450]

Definitely check out his matches they were great

[@jcriniti2644]

I always respected Hardcore Holly but this is just so wrong what he did. It is one thing to bully wrestlers but doing this to a 20 year old kid was definitely uncalled for.

[@DarrenToby-t5p]

Dupree was that good he was seen as a threat,Dupree was 19 when he came in,and he was to me already a star in rhe making. I think other wrestlers were jealous,Dupree will always be my favourite heel from the 2000's🇨🇵

[@farleysmoke5130]

Just subscribed. Great channel guys!

[@shaolin1derpalm]

I really wish that someone would have been able to bring the company down and put it out of business. Too bad for some of the wrestlers but that's what you get for perpetuating the bullshit.

[@Big.Stepper.]

Van Dam? I thought it was Kurt? Why does this story keep changing?

[@ryanleach7669]

I love listening to stories and I’ve been a wrestling fan since I was three, regardless listening to these stories makes me sick. How some of these grown men act and treat other people is ridiculous. Paul London seems like a genuine guy and telling a step by step account of what happened. Makes a lot of sense when some great talents never return. I give them credit for putting up with that shit, I wouldn’t have punched someone and got fired.

[@adamknight1387]

Bring Hardcore Holly on? Think it would be a great chat.

[@grungyasscinema]

I would love to see an episode with Muhammad Hassan aka Mark Magnus. Really wish they wouldn't have fired him over something he couldn't control.

[@cafederene]

We've had him on.check out the full episodes playlist

[@forgottenmma3694]

They did have him on

[@desisdosis473]

@@forgottenmma3694 be nice.

[@DarrenToby-t5p]

Rene is and always be my fav heel,he had mega star written all over him❤

[@countquackula8539]

It was Kurt Angle that pulled him off from I heard.

[@reynaldoreyes9927]

After Rene Dupree ( accompanied Paul London ) was released for hospital their drove the the next town Monday, 11/22/2004 ( WWE ) Elmin, New York . Where Hardcore ( Bob ) Holly apologized to Paul London, in stead of Rene Dupree.

[@DCeasedbrickbuilds]

Brock definitely wasn’t a Bob Holly fan.💀

[@Tony_1294]

Love this podcast 💯

[@JesseGMan7]

I’m from Syracuse haha. Oddly weird stuff with a lot of wrestlers and musicians I follow had shitty things happen to them here.

[@thejmc4074]

Aside from the obvious HBK incident, what else has happened? You have piqued my interest.

[@pivotpointfilms]

Hardcore Holly WAS one of my favorite wrestlers. But to jumo.someone from behind multiple times for anything is a coward. If others knew then they are bigger cowards. Holly will.go down as a coward and bully.

[@joen8529]

Bob Holly always sucked. Not sure why they pushed him so hard. He was Sparky Plugg, boring jobber.

[@joshAKAtheman]

Jim Ross apparently booked that hardcore match where it all went down lol

[@jeremyfratefrate6450]

Happy Kurt stepped in to help you thats a great dude through and through. It could've gotten way worse like man you were bleeding happy he stepped in to help. I always liked you always been fan it was cool to see a young wrestler win a title. WWE should've gave you a bigger push definitely was a missed opportunity

[@srirj44]

Undertaker was nothing but a Company yes man and Vimce lieutenant. He did nothing to protect women or young wrestlers from agents or powerbrokers. Worse, he was tight with bullies and thugs like JBL and Hardcore Holly. The only wrestler who stuck his neck out to protect others was Bret Hart who protected The Rock from HBK and HHH who wanted to run him out.

[@CGRuthlessSports]

Its crazy behind the scenes that nobody didn't know about. Was wondering if I get you on my show Rene? That's mess up how that ended up being this way. Bob Holly from what alot of wrestlers in the past said. He is difficult and too stiff to work with others. His reputation from Tough Enough was disappointing how he treated those Tough Enough wrestlers

[@matthewprice3103]

That dude screaming in the beginning is annoying asf!!!

[@lucag.lisickza425]

Yeah i agree

[@PhillyCYOSports]

Yeah, theres a reason that era is the one you trace back to being the death of the company.

[@MrLuchador]

Bob Holly’s career highlights: broken neck, lacerated back, being a PoS

[@BreadFred3]

James and René was professional, in a sense, on how they didn't interrupted London at all.

[@stevewhitney7037]

RVD probably didn't like Bob anyways. I've seen him on a lot of shoot's he didn't like bullies.

[@markmaciver7139]

Paul london is the absolute man! Could listen to him al day ❤😊

[@lutherreigns5781]

We need some stories on crash holly hardly ever hear anything about him

[@kulturny_vklad]

There's the reason why top bullies in school never get punished - they used by top of school teacher board to do stuff for them (a lot of them turned security, tough guys in some negotiations etc). And all you have to do is to threaten to expelled them if they not obeying your orders. There's a lot of benefits it top bullies for the people in power and that's why you see that more and more. Pro Wrestling is not an exeption.

[@WaldoBagelTopper]

Paul seems like he'd be cool as fuck to hang out with. I can imagine what kind of stories he has that he CAN'T tell on the podcasts. What I like about him is that he seems to not to give a shit about future wrestling work and tells it how it is. And I never liked that about Holly. I recognize and respect the fact that he's a veteran and knows his stuff. but there are too many stories like this about him. And there are too many videos of him actually doing it. Like the time he fucked the one kid up on Tough Enough.

[@Emilythematerialgurl]

I honestly don't get why everyone hated Rene literally he seems so professional smh that match and now knowing he was 20 at time wtf

[@quentinbeck7035]

Everything's cool when you're Rob Van Dam.

[@kevthegoat8774]

So basically London let Holly beat Dupree up, all you had to do was pull him off bro.

[@jeremyfratefrate6450]

Kurt did it he was the one that stopped it and if London did it he probably would've gotten in trouble. Kurt ain't getting in trouble because it's Kurt.

[@aleeking2602]

Keep up the good work Rene

[@paperplane16]

Screw holly what a bully smh

[@phillipthornton515]

Bruce Prichard was shooting on the incident between Holly and Dupree. Prichard told a story that was totally different than what Dupree is saying, he, Prichard said that Dupree borrowed a rental car Holly had and received parking tickets and caused Holly to have a warrant issued for his arrest. He said other things that sounded like bs that Holly said was his reason for hurting Dupree. Plus I've heard of 3 different people who pulled Holly off Dupree. Prichard said that Big Show pulled him off , Dupree said it was Van Dam and someone else said it was somebody else. I believe Dupree is the one telling the truth.

[@cafederene]

It's Easy to tell when bruce is lying,,,,,his lips move

[@jamessunderland7435]

You cant believe a word that fat douchebag says. The guy has lied about basically everything he's ever talked about.

[@popularzbie9761]

Holly should’ve been mad at brock for breaking his neck but just like all bullies he pussied out and forgave brock. Lol

[@forgottenmma3694]

Cause bullies target easy marks

[@voxextremos22]

Brock woulda absolutely crushed him

[@Crasky1992]

The only thing people will take from Bob's career is that he was a bully. The reality is, he wasn't even a mid card talent. The guy was a charisma vacuum.

[@billblaski9523]

Damn i bet Renee wishes all the time he can go back to that night and fight Bob Holly. Dupree was a child back then, he probably didnt wanna do anything to get heat in the wacky crazy world of wrestling backstage politics

[@kingrobthegreat7446]

I agree it was a set up. But the fall out was so bad that Holly got fired over it? Is that correct?

[@ABSF49]

Bob Holly was just miserable because he knew he was never going to get that big push. He was a low teir wrestler. I see why now they never gave him that push

[@illkid86]

Piss poor attitude as well

[@chaomac]

Never liked Bob Holly and i remember hearing this story and this man should have been fired on the spot

[@SasukesSharingan.]

Everytime i see paul his hair looks better gray. Yall are blessed to be in this good of health compared to your compatriots

[@killuminati3034]

Johnny was he related to LOD or no

[@straightchad8059]

yes he was , Animal's brother .

[@emperorburton]

Yes Johnny Ace and Animal are brothers.

[@hunterrose6558]

"Baldcore" was a great burn by jericho.

[@1ColdFuture]

------4:00Lol Paul Londons a great story teller very entertaining.

[@dejesusjason9936]

Bob’s old ass assaulting young guys doesn’t come as a surprise. Probably afraid they’ll take his spot on the card.

[@sparks4270]

Rene was awesome man always wished they did more with him.Much love Rene bro.

[@stony5243]

Big ups rvd mane u gotta get him on rene for the people

[@cafederene]

He's already been on the show, have a look in the full episodes playlist

[@stony5243]

@@cafederene haha thanks brother my bad

[@forgottenmma3694]

Bruh he has been on smh. KZbin it 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@stony5243]

@@forgottenmma3694 i peeped it out after bro told me dam lol hearing this story stoned made me proud to be a rvd fan even when i was kid dudes a stand up guy

[@DUFFYISBACK]

would you be interested in getting hannibal on the podcast?

[@kv01010]

My problem with beating someone up in the ring like that is, that the person having the match with you is giving his body too you in a trusting manner to work together.. I'm not saying that Holly didn't deserve to get his revenge on Rene, but doing it while you're in a wrestling match where the idea is to work together, by giving up your body in a semi-relaxed state is fucked up in my opinion.. If Holly really wanted to fight Rene, he should of done it in the locker room, at a bar, somewhere where the other person is not willingly giving you his head, body, and otherwise.. Because one shot that you don't see coming, because you are giving your body to said person, is probably an automatic fight ender, which means chances are, you won't have a chance to defend yourself afterward.. It's just not right in my opinion.. I get old school mentality, but too me it doesn't make you a TOUGH GUY, to do that shit.. And say what you want about both guys, but you can tell that guys like Holly, JBL, Bully Ray, etc. want SOOOOO BAD to be recognized as a TOUGH GUY!! Which I am sure they are, but doing it in that nature makes you kind of a pussy in my opinion.. I've been listening to Rene Dupree's KZbin show, and he seems like a pretty laid back cool dude, I am sure he was a lil cocky at times being that young, jacked, and a good looking dude.. But he didn't deserve that, in that environment in my opinion.. Besides if you ask me, from what I've seen of Holly, he seems like a good dude to a degree, but can come off pretty stand-offish if you didn't know him.. So I doubt someone like Rene at 20 years old or whatever, was too keen on having any kind of relationship with the guy.. That 2002-2007 time in WWE was a lot of Vets like Holly, roided to the gills, getting pissed about WWE finally using a developmental system that was bringing a lot of new, younger roided up guys into the fold, because those territory guys were getting older, so I imagine there was a lot of hazing, bullying, and just trying to embarrass these newer guys in front of people by guys like Holly.. So I'm just not taking Holly's side on this one, due to the way he handled it.. If it had been "off the clock" so to speak, my answer would probably be a little different, but that's obviously not what happened..

[@VERDICTInsanity]

Do u think Bob learned his lesson when he fucked with the wrong rookie (Brock)

[@Basillikos]

That happened in 2002, this incident happened about 3 years later. Don't think he ever softened up on this

[@VERDICTInsanity]

@@Basillikos if I was giving away asshole of the year awards he’d win it every time, 1st 2nd and 3rd place

[@Greeneggsz]

Such an awesome podcast

[@user-ol1zk3kv1d]

Holly would get destroyed in the octagon or in a boxing ring. Literally a 135 lbs fighter would rip Bob apart. He's a punk and a bully and his body of work was mediocre at best.

[@markmack2746]

Rene, can you get some lights on over there? Can't even see ya my guy

[@DamienM-yf3wt]

I truly enjoy watching & listening my childhood fucking idols! Go in depth about the real deal bullshit that does occur when you pursue this kind of career.

[@reynaldoreyes9927]

Sunday, 11/21/2004 ( WWE House Show - Smackdown Brand ) Syracuse, New York: Hardcore Match- WWF Tag Team Titles Match Rene Dupree & Kenzo Suzuki ( Champions ) defeated Hardcore ( Bob ) Holly & Charlie Haas. Backstage after match Backstage Bob Holly attacks Rene Dupree beating up Rene Durpree ( 20 years old ) RVD stops Holly.

[@rajsahota5524]

Rene was 20 when Bob assaulted him! I think Bob was twice his age? Let that sink in....

[@billblaski9523]

Rene and Paul shouldn't feel bad, they were literal kids in a shark-infested business, they didnt wanna cause trouble and the old vets took advantage

[@ivan363]

Shout-out to Rob Van Dam 💚💪🏾

[@Garf_malarf]

Hearing this story makes me appreciate Brock dropping holly on his head. Wish it knocked sense into him tho

[@hayatorpg3896]

Kurt Angle pulled Bob off and RVD squashed the situation

[@brookesfriend8359]

Why are you always sitting in the dark Nosferatu 🧐

[@forgottenmma3694]

Why are you still collecting dolls as a grown man 🧐

[@860phantom7]

I love the wrestling back stories

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

I remember Rene saying that Kurt Angle broke up the fight. Why is Paul saying it was Rob.

[@kennypatnaude3337]

Rene was beat up and probably don't remember

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

@@kennypatnaude3337 Nah, Charlie Haas kind of confirmed it was Kurt Angle. Charlie was Holly's tag team partner during the match so he basically had a front row seat to what happened. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2WmZqWopd59b8U

[@michaelmercury1297]

Did Holly not like Rene because he's French ?

[@forgottenmma3694]

He was probably threatened and jealous of Rene’s youth, skills and physique.

[@macadonis9242]

Dudes a toxic bully hating on young stars..fragile ego threatened by anyone with talent. Total coward around bigger or stronger guys. I'm Glad brock dropped him on his neck. Holly is not tough or a fighter. Just false ego inflated at the time on high amounts of juice and hgh. Smh look at him now off all his shit . Looks like hell and is small.

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

no, Rene had borrowed a rented car from Bob. Bob to just check the car back in when he's done. The car was impounded, Holly was given a 4,000$ bill, his drivers license was suspended and there was a warrant for his arrest.