Caliburn EVO POINTS System Review Good Idea But Needs More Tweaking

[@DartsReviewChannel]

As I suspected the system has been recalled. There was an image on social media of Caliburns response regarding the issue. I typed it out below: Since the launch of our Caliburn EVO system last Wednesday we have seen extraordinary demand for the system, and we would like to thanks everyone that has embraced our brand and the product so far. We have been made aware thanks to the proactive feedback from Darts Corner, our exclusive distributor, that some of customers have experienced issues with the system and we would like to apologize for this. Our goal is to ensure every customer has the best experience with their products and therefore we decide to temporarily pause sales of EVO point system as we work on rectifying the issues that have been raised. We are immediately working on an updated solution and we are confident the product will relaunch bigger and better! We will keep everyone updated with our progress. We thank you for your support and understanding and to the team at Darts Corner for their proactivitiy and partnership Calibrun.

[@millosonny]

Thank you sir ❤... May signature dart is coming soon sir. Hoping will you introduce it. ❤❤❤ Love lots. Caliburn player her

[@TangoGolfKilo89]

Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful review! First time here but not the last.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Many thanks, much appreciated 👍😊💚

[@glennl.]

Welcome back Darren. I have my doubts about this system even after they solve the issues.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks Glenn, I don't think it's an easy thing to make a universal point system, probably why Target choose to just make it for their own darts, that and tying people into buying more points lol

[@ZaneJethwa]

I was a bit apprehensive when they first came out for the reason that it would be consistent with different darts. It's great to watch your reviews again Darren. Hope the arm gets better soon. Happy darting!

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks Zane, going to be a while to get properly better but I will still do reviews, just have to be careful not to throw too much. :)

[@richardmyers8227]

I received this kit a few days ago and saw the problems. I emailed Darts Corner and this is part of what I received back. The issue with the Caliburn items are that they don't fit certain barrels (Winmau or Red Dragon), they fit but then the spigot is snapping in the barrel. If you don't have Winmau or Red Dragon darts then you won't see a problem and we have hundreds of customers who are extremely happy with them. Hope people find this helpful.

[@bolerkai]

This is an extremely informative video about this system. Now that you have explained how it works, the conditions that would support their use are clear. Before your review, there were too many unsawered questions, so thank you again Darren for your great reviews. Wishing you a full and speedy recovery from your elbow.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks mate, glad to hear it helped, will take a while for the elbow to recover but I will take it easy 😊👍

[@joegar72]

A great and helpful review. I was hesitant before watching about the machining on these points. Hope your arm gets better soon. Happy darting!

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks, I hope so too! :)

[@PaulCanlanFilms]

Did buy some then saw that they were a tad problematic. However I didn’t have any problems fitting on a spare set of designa dragons. Did have a throw in comp but wasn’t totally confident with them. I love this sort of innovation but I agree needs a bit of work. Looking forward to the update. Great to see you back Darren!!

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Cheers 👍 yeah it's going to need improvement for sure 😊

[@StephenGroves-w9i]

I bought 4 sets to try. Fitted to first set of trial darts with no issues whatsoever and they’ve worked great so far. Second set the tolerance was out so the points went all the way in by hand so won’t stay in once thrown. I’ve used loctite which helped for two of them but one just came loose again. Not great that they’ve pulled all the stock because that renders them useless if you need a spare spigot or insertion bar. Lovely quality though and the points look great at a fair price to their competition. I’ve got over 160 sets in my collection and have tried most tapered options in one shape or form. Target storm my favourite but too pricy given how many darts I repoint. Will be interesting to see what the revised set up is like. Perfect 9 are lovely points but only available in 34mm exposed length.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks for the feedback! :)

[@sbrommy666]

Always love your reviews Darren, as yourself and others said when they were released, needed more thought put into the design.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks mate! Really should have asked for feedback and sent out test kits before going to retail I think. Have a couple of ideas that could be done but they may have tried them already, but who knows they may come out with something even better yet :)

[@syukritheniceguy2298]

Finally new video!!! Lets Go!!!

[@DartsReviewChannel]

YAY!

[@GogReviews]

Unfortunately Caliburn have recalled the system to improve it. Maybe an updated review’s on the cards in a few weeks time Darren…

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Ah I suspected that may be the case, yeah it certainly needs some more work on it. They should have asked me as I have a few ideas :)

[@rayphillips6060]

​@@DartsReviewChannel is Rocky going to use these points in his darts

[@DartsReviewChannel]

@@rayphillips6060 nope :)

[@grantpeck]

Nice video that clearly shows the issues with these points and echoes my experience exactly trying these in a number of darts.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks 👍 yeah a lot of people have been having same problems 🙂

[@bryanharrison180]

He back! 2 weeks I’ve been waiting for another review!

[@DartsReviewChannel]

LOL its been longer than that I think :)

[@leighhand1]

Good to see you back 😄

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks Leigh! :)

[@Aussie-Joe]

There is much rejoicing across the lands 🥳🎉🥳🎉. Great to see a new video from the greatest darts reviewer on the planet. Welcome back Darren, hope the recovery is going along nicely, take it easy, cheers 👍👍

[@DartsReviewChannel]

LOL HAPPY DARTING!!!!!! Eat more GREEN I means GREENS! Thanks mate! :)

[@millosonny]

Thank you so much... I share this in my fb wall.❤

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks for sharing!! 😊

[@edwardkiperman8436]

I'm glad to see a video from you. Hope you feel better and at the very least made some progress. Get that elbow healed so we can get some awesome review videos!

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Cheers mate 👍😊

[@shovedonkey3777]

I bought a set for my Unicorn Phase 5 LPs and they fit perfectly. The starter pack I had came with 3 different sizes of spigots 2.33, 2.34 and 2.35mm. The spigots were gold / brass and not the silver you had so it could be that they’ve made changes since your review. The 2.35 was the best fit for my darts. I’ve had them in for a few weeks now and not had any issues. Edit: Turns out I got the V2 version.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

I have not bothered to try the updated version but to be honest I am not that fussed on the system myself

[@shovedonkey3777]

@@DartsReviewChannel I bought a set of 40mm points. I didn’t realise that i needed a fitting kit so I’ve done it arse about elbow. Having bought and fitted them I prefer them to my RD trident points although the Evo leaves a small lip that will nick your flights slightly.

[@iaingking]

Interesting idea Darren, i purchased a few sets to try them out, the trouble is there's so many different dart drill depths for the points, as well as diameter of the points themselves, the chance of a set fully working for you are not great, i got a set for my Harrow V-Wings Anniversary model, the spigot went in ok, I then screwed the Caliburn point in & they just pulled out by hand, so totally useless for that particular dart as the points are around 2.38mm wide, too wide for the Caliburn system, we'll see what they do next.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thats right I have often done that with Harrows darts using other points, its crazy there is so much variation!

[@richardsneddon2976]

Hi Darren thanks for this and all the other reviews you do . After seeing darts corners upload of this product I thought what a great idea and was going to buy them . But waited on some other reviews thank god I did . I have now noticed that darts corner have now even deleted there review on KZbin of this product.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

No problem! :) Yeah they took the review down. Not really a review when its their own guy reviewing it though, he is not going to say its no good is he lol

[@ashleystone4266]

Cracking review as usual Darren, I was waiting for your review on these, I've seen a few videos and pictures of failed repointing of this system. I was quite excited about this, but wanted to wait for the reviews. I saw a message on Instagram earlier that they're going to redesign the system. I hope they can get something that'll work with every barrel 🤞🏼👍🏼🎯

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks Ashley, yeah hopefully they will make it better 😊

[@15darter]

Just watched this review Darren, glad of the close ups. I was thinking it would enable us to put Swiss points in, but I can see that it won’t so I will not bother with them. Your review saved me from wasting money 👍

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks, these are the old ones, but I am not all that fussed on reviewing the updated ones, seems not much better from what I can see of it.

[@15darter]

@@DartsReviewChannel yes I think the same as this review gave us an overall understanding of how they work . I may have been interested if they had been an internal thread for Swiss points but I could see from your closeups that it was external thread. Good review , thanks

[@dartsngear]

thx for your opinion on these one´s. Idea is nice and as always, they need market feedback and a littlebit of tuning. all the best for your ellbow, mate! hope to see you throw darts soon

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Thanks Oli! yeah it needs refining, hopefully they will make it even better :)

[@listenandlearn8938]

Great video. This looks like a great idea but obviously needs more work. Seems to me that it takes the same amount of effort and a repointer so I don't see a huge benefit. Also, you would be locked into their selection of points so it might make more sense for them to use the system in their own line of darts. It's nice to see you back. Keep up the great work. Cheers

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah the advantage of an easy to use system is lost for many due to the fact you still need a repointing tool. Cheers! :)

[@Vialli100.]

I think they would have to supply so many different combos for different darts, it won't ever work properly.. Although I nearly ordered some, thanks for another great informative video..

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah it would same so, but I can think of a couple of ways they could still do it without having to make lots of different sized spigots.

[@ColossalCrib]

Thank you for the review. I guess I'll hold off for now

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah they have been recalled anyway, so best to wait for an update :)

[@gwheregwhizz]

You can keep the Evo points in with Evo Stik.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

😂

[@jshyung8648]

I brought some with a new set of darts and had the spigot snap inside my barrel they also seemed to have stretched my barrels so other points just fall out now very good idea but yeh not had enough testing

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah heard a few with same issue as you. Problem when the hole is tight and you force the point in it does exactly what you encountered sadly.

[@JoshGriffiths-Juliff]

Used these all week on my caliburn darts and zero problems, zero breaking, fits nice flush (makes sense as they’re the same brand). Using the ripple no lip ones and they’ve actually been great

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Nice to hear :)

[@weavostigercat2000]

Well got my kit and 2 sets of points today tried to fit them in my tapered nose darts , wasn't going to try them in my match set so tried in a PL15 P. Wright set , the holes are not deep enough and in one dart the spigot and point just went in and didn't grip at all . I think tapered darts can stretch a little because there is less metal at the very end . So not a good ending and £30 wasted .

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah heard a few people with similar problems like you describe :)

[@newforestexplorer]

Great idea but like you say all barrels are different, you always come across problems fitting normal points with different width holes etc in barrels. I’m currently using the Target Swiss Point conversion kit on my Shot soft tip darts and it’s fantastic, actually adds two grams to the weight of each dart too which is great! They never come loose either

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Maybe a soft tip style system is the best way, the brands could just make all darts with a soft tip thread, doubt they will though.

[@newforestexplorer]

@@DartsReviewChannel I’ve always wondered why they haven’t done that . To be honest that’s why I purchased a set of soft tip Shot darts so I could easily swap out the points

[@DartsReviewChannel]

@@newforestexplorer the only reason I can think is it means having a different nose to the barrel but there may be other reasons 😊

[@jeremyfraser976]

I've got a set on order, totally pooping myself now😢. When they come I'll try give some feedback. Great video as always, keep up the good work

[@DartsReviewChannel]

They recalled them now, so I think I would keep them as a bit of history, they may be worth something in years to come :)

[@jeremyfraser976]

@@DartsReviewChannel maybe, but I still really want to try them, I have multiple sets I can try them in. You would think that they would fit something considering they're supposed to be "Universal" 🤣🤣. Gee they got pulled quick eh

[@DartsReviewChannel]

@@jeremyfraser976 yeah they did but I guess it's good they reacted quickly

[@knutvoberg4236]

Maybe it would be better to have a kind of locking system with just 90 or 180° movement instead of a screw threat. This way the machining don't have to be so fine and it needs not so much depth and the system could fit NODOR darts too ...

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Possibly, it would need a good way to make it stay locked though :)

[@dartsngear]

Hey Darrren, short question: Can I use a small segment of your Caliburn EVO Point video in my own video? Planning an evergreen on how to change darts points with a small market overview of repointers and tools (like the evo, too just to mention) ,-) backlink guaranteed mate 😉

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Hi Olli, yeah sure, no problem 👍😊

[@dartsngear]

@@DartsReviewChannel super ... love you

[@alanmeasures8337]

Where did you get your callabraters and pointing tool from Darren please.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Amazon I think and Darts Corner :)

[@tenseken]

Problem are tolerance from different manufacturers that’s why target swiss point made their proprietary to control those variance but still they had problems on manufacturing and quality control

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yep that's what I showed in video, it's hard to make a universal system when all the barrels are different 😊

[@tenseken]

Maybe like what you said if they measured all the tolerance then publish all the brands depth and thickness then people will have a rough guideline if the caliburn will work for them

[@DartsReviewChannel]

@@tenseken Possibly, it would rely on the brands to be consistent with their dimensions too

[@keithtong1146]

Interesting idea, but what is the point if I still need a repointing too 😅

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Exactly, it is not so good for those who are not keen on using a re-pointer.

[@jtstset]

Found it strange they were selling the starter kit with a mission repointing tool when they have their own 🤷🏻‍♂️ But I thought the idea was brilliant and very nearly jumped on but held off glad I did but they look great

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah I thought that too, but it needs re-working for sure :)

[@peaky9646]

Hi just curious what is ur match/most played with darts I see u have reviewed alot of darts and I'm curious as to what darts u keep picking up

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Harrows Predator :)

[@davidtabrett1715]

wouldnt it be just as well get soft tip darts and steel point conversions to fit?

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah they should just do that really, unless there is some other issue with it? Maybe steel tippers like thinner nose to their darts and maybe thats not possible with a soft tip style barrel?

[@Cowabunga10101]

The GOAT is back🐐

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yay! :)

[@marclafferty6416]

Couldn’t you drive the spigot in with the point? I don’t really see the need for that tool. Maybe I’m wrong

[@DartsReviewChannel]

You mean the insertion tool? As mentioned that is just to set the right depth

[@Beardlin]

Good to see all the different depths that darts manufacturers drill their points too. Its a nice idea but how they make it universal seems a potential lost cause.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah its going to be a struggle, good attempt though :)

[@rogertruttmann3311]

I think the idea is fantastic. And a good overview from you. But the system definitely needs improvements. But I think that unless the holes for the tips are somehow standardised by law, there will always be problems. P.S. Have I missed something, or have you ever done a review of the Spectre darts? 😉

[@DartsReviewChannel]

No never reviewed them, I had those and the others in the range before they were called Spectres. I did the original pics that were used at the time by the manufacturer 😊

[@rogertruttmann3311]

Are these originally from Victory Darts? DOUBLE TOP still carries these under the Victory label. I only know them from DESIGNA...😉

[@DartsReviewChannel]

They were made by Retriever Sports

[@JacWilliams-q1r]

The updated version came out today. Review???

[@DartsReviewChannel]

I think I will wait, not hopeful about it to be honest

[@MightyChoctaw]

They either knew about these problems in testing, and released the product anyway, or their testing was so poor that the issues were missed. Both scenarios hardly fill me with confidence.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yep should have done a better job on that side of things :)

[@dudleyorgeron4034]

Great system but need a major improvement..

[@DartsReviewChannel]

It does 👍

[@darts-multiverse]

I like it, how you have doubts about this system. What, if it breaks, than you have the same problem as with normal points. And seemingly, it will break easier, because only the little part deep within fits perfectly, but the rest of the point-holder has less contact to the barrel. For me, it is only another expensive gimmick.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

@@darts-multiverse yeah I don't think I will be trying it again

[@darts-multiverse]

@@DartsReviewChannel Wow, that is a tough statement from you. Than, there must be something really wrong with this product.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

@@darts-multiverse I am not one for changing points much anyway but I just think the Evo system is a bit of a mess with the whole way it works and the fact you still need to use a repointing tool. But I have always said I am more than happy with a big standard black coated point.

[@ryanolsen13]

They knew, you could see the gap in t he promo video. Can't trust a company who puts out a product knowing its going to fail

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Well it's backfired really

[@Klausmaus5869]

I’ll pass. The fact it won’t let the point go all the way to the barrel is enough for me to not want to use it, not to mention the fact everything fucking breaks…but thanks for the review all the same, Darren

[@DartsReviewChannel]

Yeah needs a lot more tweaking, I have a feeling they will make a totally different design, but if they do they need to test it properly first.

[@robertshadbolt3056]

Ill stick to my 1.99 rivet gun, a cut down plastic stem and a hammer.

[@rene284]

Is it possible that you.send.me.the.starter.kit i would Like to Test them but i cant find a Site which sells them.

[@DartsReviewChannel]

They took them off the market that is why, read pinned comment above :)