You Cant Have More Than One God | Mohammed Hijab

[@Ok-yy5it]

You can’t have two necessary existence because you can’t be all powerful and equally powerful as well, you can’t have more abilities and the same abilities to something else or the creator if I rather or all knowledge and equally knowledgeable because you can’t be equally and more at the same time. One of the definitions of necessary existence is something that can’t be any other way. I’ll give you two options, necessary existence a and you have necessary existence b, necessary existence a is described as having necessary qualities that can never be any other way meaning you can’t add subtract or re arrange can’t be no other way, if we say necessary existence b is the same but with one difference let’s say quality x, so if we differentiated necessary b and necessary a then you already rendered necessary b as contingent because a contingent thing is something that can be any other way and since you’re saying there’s a variable which can be re arranged from in order to differentiate and a from b then therefore that variable by that definition will make necessary existence a into a contingent existence

[@mahakeza]

Could we not say that it is necessary for God 1 to have properties a,b and c and for God 2 to have properties a, b and d?

[@Ok-yy5it]

@@mahakeza no because like I said a necessary existence means it can not be any other way and will truly destroy the title of all knowing, all powerful etc

[@warrisonblaze5662]

@@Ok-yy5it There is a possibility that there are 2 creatures that are very powerful and exists independently, and one of that creature created everything and the other doesn't care about creating anything. The one you bow to is the one who created everything and the other doesn't get involved.

[@radirandom]

@@warrisonblaze5662 that is impossible due to dalil at tamanu ( دلل ان التمانع). Which is a proof given by muslim theologians like ibn taymiyyah. It goes as this. If God A and God B are both all powerful. Then can God A will against God B and vice versa? Or can God A intervene on God B's will? If God A can't intervene on God B and can't will against it, then it is limited and forced to comply. Which would negate it being God as it has uncesacary limits. If God A can intervene on God B, then that means that God B is limited unnecessarily by God A Which would negate God B being God as it is limited by God A's will. If both are equally powerful and they both are at a stalemate as suppose God A wanted to move the rock left but God B wanted to move it right, then they both would be limited by each other which would make these 2 entities not God. So, based on all possible outcomes, either one of them are not God and are limited or both are not God.

[@warrisonblaze5662]

@@radirandom Read what i wrote. I said one created other didn't get involved. That is it. If God A puts a rock to the right. Why is it necessary for you to think B will want to move it to left. If the argument is like 2 creatures living for a long time are bound to have conflict at some point. Then 1 creature living for eternity can also become narcissistic, and stupid and make dumb rules for the humans to follow. What is the urge to claim there has to be one all powerful. Like in greek mythology titans existed and few used to get involved in wordly things and some didn't. It is the monothestic idea the it HAS to be one. Even if it is one what makes it so sure that , that one is not evil , who created the world to fullfill his own narcissitic needs of bring prayed. Think about it a creature self sufficient extremely powerful doesn't need anyone at one point in time thinks ok i am gonna create a universe and whoever defies me i am gonna burn them for eternity. That is naricissim 101. So ideally for concept of a god that is just there has to be someone else a third party who can point out who is right and who is wrong. So athesim i get, universe is an accident. polythesim i just explained. only in monotheism i see a creature whose sole purpose to create the world was to boost his ego .

[@RhymesofUnison]

God isn't necessarily the necessary existence but he is the Free Will, the true random number generator who don't need and cannot be explained.

[@CHking_Reborn]

Then your life dont need and cannot be explained so your life is meaningless

[@matswessling6600]

grown ups playing with words insteading trying to actually find out about the real world... pathetic.

[@proslayer3233]

Lmao you tell me then, what is this “real” world they have to find out. You’re surely one of those guys who just takes science as his religion, which is very problematic and contradictory🤣🤣

[@matswessling6600]

@@proslayer3233 there is nothing problematic or contradictory to use science. And no, science is not religion since science is based on scepticism and observation, not religious dogma.