"Call No Man Father" - An Orthodox Perspective

Excerpt from "The Orthodox Ethos Q & A Session January 19, 2024" with Fr. Peter Heers
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[@stavrouladeessegloria]

Father Peter ☦️

[@harispaterakis917]

The same goes for the word Holy. The Protestants say that only God is holy, and you cannot use words like Holy men, Holy fathers, Holy Theotokos . But Paul and John wrote about the Saints, and they forget that in the Greek language, the language that the books of the New Testament were written, Holy and Saint is one word. Agios.

[@KGraceSpeaksKea1335]

I have found debate with Protestants a most arduous task. I cant seem to come up with any other deduction they have itchy ears and suffer greatly from the sin of pride. This sin has never been absolved correctly because they do not go to confession. They all live in a state of grave mortal or venial sins. What are your impressions? I could you some advice. Thank you

[@theStormaftertheCalm]

​@@KGraceSpeaksKea1335- The primary reason I prefer to conduct Audio Speech Analysis on their speech when possible, as it reveals the truth to the question, "Is [Name] being led by the demonic or the Divine?"

[@KGraceSpeaksKea1335]

@@theStormaftertheCalm Excellent way to discern truth. 🙏❤️

[@KGraceSpeaksKea1335]

@@theStormaftertheCalm Also does it deviate from scripture & dogma? The process of discernment has many steps within analysis of truth.

[@theStormaftertheCalm]

@@KGraceSpeaksKea1335 - Audio Speech Analysis reveals what a person says audibly, along with what the demonic or the Divine has to say within the same audio recording. Think about how a person makes an audio statement and it reveals that the demons agree with the statement being made, we can then factually state that the person is being led by the demonic. It's not usually just a one-off that the demonic agrees with the person because a continuous analysis would reveal that many statements the person makes, the demonic agrees with them. It's 100% accurate and yet it doesn't involve Biblical scripture in order to be factual; after all its not like a Lie Detector Test that consists of a graph.

[@AndrewJackson-ig5br]

Father Peter is a man I point people towards online if they have questions.

[@KGraceSpeaksKea1335]

He is wise. I appreciate his videos. Educational.

[@owengordon8165]

I’m trying to convert to orthodoxy but there’s no churches near me of orthodoxy only a Coptic oriental Orthodox Church but your helping me a lot Fr.Peter thank you you have a new viewer here that’s for sure

[@orthodox1717]

Thank you, Father Peter! ☦️

[@oogaleeboogalee6522]

With context, protestantism dies

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

Without lies Islam dies. With context protestantism dies. With either Papism dies

[@thecriticalnous]

💯

[@HubertofLiege]

Without love-faith……

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

@@HubertofLiege without truth - love (and faith and everything too)

[@Robert_The_Bruce05]

@@FirstnameLastname-py3bcthat’s good. I’m going to have to take that

[@ryrocks9487]

Glad to see more of the apologetics type stuff!

[@paulk8072]

Thank you Father Peter for the in-depth explanation, it helps solidify my understanding.

[@LadyMaria]

​@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vwYelling at people to repent shows your ego and pride. Only Christ can do so like that as He's God. You're not.

[@BojanDjurdjic]

James 4:8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

[@BojanDjurdjic]

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

[@BojanDjurdjic]

@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw yes I do, do you? only repent to Jesus and follow Him what he teached in the Bible true He's prophets. Proverbs 18:2 fool takes no pleasure in understanding but only in expressing his opinion Proverbs 14:29 Whoever is slow to anger has great understanding, but he who has a hasty temper exalts folly. Proverbs 2:2-5 Making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the LoRd and find the knowledge of God.

[@paulk8072]

A Voice... you are the worst person imaginable. You twist the scripture to suit your own agenda, taking it out of context and using it as some form of debatable material. You are a bad man. You are a heretic. You make a fool out of yourself.

[@FX_SMC]

Here is a detailed summary of the key points from the provided text: The text discusses the use of the term "father" when referring to priests in the Orthodox Christian tradition. The main points are: 1. In the Orthodox Church, priests are addressed by their first name, not their last name (e.g. "Father Peter" rather than "Father Smith"). 2. The passage addresses the biblical phrase "call no man your father," which some Protestants interpret as prohibiting the use of the term "father" for priests. However, the speaker argues this is a misinterpretation. 3. The distinction is between a "title" or "form of address" versus a "relationship." The passage argues Jesus was not condemning the use of the title "father," but rather the misplaced loyalty and relationship that some had with their religious leaders. 4. Examples are provided to show Jesus and the Apostle Paul using the term "father" (e.g. "Father Abraham" in a parable). 5. The speaker explains that in Orthodoxy, addressing priests as "father" is meant to signify their role as a spiritual guide, pointing people towards Christ, not as an object of personal loyalty or a "personality cult." 6. The speaker criticizes a "legalistic" interpretation that focuses only on the use of the word "father" rather than the underlying meaning and relationship. 7. He argues the real issue is when clergy no longer faithfully point people towards Christ, at which point the title of "father" is no longer appropriate. 8. Overall, the use of "father" in Orthodoxy is meant to represent the clergy's role as spiritual guides and initiators into the mysteries of the faith, not as an absolute authority demanding personal loyalty. ChatOn AI

[@viktoralexanderyakimov3936]

Father Peter thanking you for this explanation cause as an Orthodox Christian myself l know that God is our true Father as he is our true creator too. As an ex alterboy/man a priest is alao a Father cause he is teaching the gospel and is our our path to salvation thru Gods way. So he is our spiritual father guiding our souls to the heavenly realms. My earthly papa ( father) is my human flesh father to guide me to a correct Christian life thru their example as well as proper teaching in the loving way thru Christ himself. I'm no priest nor scholar taught but my altar and other earthly orthodoxy experience taught me the true way. I pray to God and Jesus that the Eastern/Western Orthodox church doesn't follow the Catholics heresy way of permitting LGBSTQ into Gods holy house. Be with God and Jesus one and all.

[@thecriticalnous]

Excellent explanation video. Thank you 🙏

[@thecriticalnous]

@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw obviously you’re a Protestant . 🤦‍♂️

[@OrthodoxEthos]

It’s time to follow the holy fathers and not our own will, or a teacher from 100 years ago, or a tradition started 1500 years after Christ

[@BojanDjurdjic]

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

[@Vlad-ortho]

Father Peter

[@BojanDjurdjic]

Matthew 23:9-12 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

[@sorin_ion8151]

God bless you !

[@JaSon-ne6yn]

Fr Peter, can you please recommend some hymns or chants you like? I really appreciate your selection when I hear them at the beginning and ending of your videos. Thanks and God bless you (and all reading this comment)

[@yourneighbour3309]

Thank you Fr Peter..!!

[@Boba899]

Axios, Father!

[@nickmuzekari6124]

Excellent explanation

[@0utc4st1985]

Sadly I've never seen Protestants let the Bible get in the way of their theology. May they find their way to the Fullness of the Truth.

[@fusion9619]

Can you give examples? Thanks

[@0utc4st1985]

@@fusion9619 The one in this video for one thing. Another among many is the right to private interpretation, the Bible says in no uncertain terms it's not self-interpreting.

[@fusion9619]

@@0utc4st1985 where does it say that? If I've been in error, I want to know. I have definitely been reading my Bible and I've found many contradictions with what the Orthodox church teaches. I still rely on Orthodox teachings to understand it better, but I think if there's a direct contradiction, I'm going with what the Bible says...

[@0utc4st1985]

@@fusion9619 2peter chapter 2, there is no prophecy of Scripture that is subject to private interpretation. Prophecy doesn't only mean telling the future, it also means gaining divine revelation. The context of that epistle was against false teachings, you can get the Bible to say anything if you quotemine it enough, but that always leads to inconsistencies and contradictions. There is nothing in Orthodoxy that contradicts the Bible.

[@fusion9619]

@@0utc4st1985 perfect, thank you. When I researched the Orthodox basis for Maryology, I was told of a prophesy in Ezekiel. At that time, I hadn't read Ezekiel, and was very new to being a Christian. Still am, I guess. So I read it, and found the soundest case against Orthodoxy I could imagine. The whole book rails against idolatry. The verse in question definitely had nothing to do with Mary. So what happened? Some human being within the Orthodox church misinterpreted Ezekiel to support their claims. As for prophesy, there are obviously prophesies which I cannot understand without help - however, there is an established history of the church getting prophecy wrong. The prophesy of the Messiah was misunderstood for something like a thousand years, and then Jesus showed up and taught them the correct way to understand God's law. And it makes perfect sense now, but I can also see how the incorrect understanding of the Messiah (what the modern Jews still think) made perfect sense too, before it actually happened. Very interesting. Thank you for directing me to 2 Peter, ch2. Now, I have to say this... _someone_ has to say it... You should run like mad from anyone telling you not to read the Bible. It exists for a reason. If your church leaders are telling you that you aren't smart enough or divine enough or special enough to understand what God preserved for your benefit, then these people are not men of God. That would make them the false prophets we've been warned against. If that's what's going on. It sounds like it to me.

[@lokdog257]

"Call no man Father or Teacher" is about charismatics, about churches of personalities, about cults and other religious leaders that prop themselves up.

[@Antonius1102]

Orthodoxy brought me out of Islam. And to fully accept and LOVE the trinity and calling my church father, father. The explanations for such difficult topics for other “monotheists” to accept are so simple and direct. Idk why Protestants have such a hard time explaining these things if they know the Bible so well. For record I was born Christian.

[@mondopinion3777]

The title establishes the relationship, sets the attitude. . Why else would the priesthood have chosen it instead of "Brother" or "Shepherd" ?

[@chrysantus]

The degree of rationalization in this is preposterous. "I didn't actually kill him. I just stabbed him in the heart. He died of cardiac arrest." I think it's better to just say, honestly, "yes it's a contradiction". By the way, I'm Orthodox, by birth and not converted. The title *is* the relationship. Thar's what having a "spiritual father" who calls you "son" and whom you obey is all about. This tradition is largely practices in all Orthodox countries, we don't go to the priest just to confess, but to get his advice with all matters of problems. You will undoubtedly see this in the testimonies and books about all the Greek contemporary saints.

[@jonathannkalpha7606]

1 Corinthians 4:14-15 I am writing this not to shame you but to warn you as my dear children. Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, *for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.*

[@cabellero1120]

Call No Man Father.. And Yet St Paul says In the Scriptures " I've been a Father to you all! He calls those he spoke to sons and daughters...

[@LadyMaria]

So we know by that that there's a deeper context to what Christ said.

[@BojanDjurdjic]

Matthew 23:9-12 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

[@stavrouladeessegloria]

Mystagogy, to initiate I to the Mysteries... Mysterion, mystes

[@orthodanmax]

Hello, my religion teacher said that the old testament (specifically Genesis) is a bunch of mythological stories inspired/stolen from the mesopotamians (Ex: Nemrod being a copy of the mesopotamian "god" of hunting). How can I rebute this?

[@lejspul7655]

Just slap, "Genesis, Creation and Early Man" by Fr Seraphim Rose on their desk and walk away victorious.

[@orthodanmax]

@@lejspul7655 Is that a must read?

[@lejspul7655]

@@orthodanmax Yes it's the book which made me repent from evolutionism as well as the sentiments your teacher holds. You can find it for free as a pdf on internet archive.

[@orthodanmax]

Yes thank you, currently reading it, so far it seems good!

[@orthodanmax]

@@lejspul7655 do you have any other books worth reading that could answer common atheist/heretic objections? My circle of friends is 90% atheist so I feel like it's my duty to save them, so I'd like to be well enough educated on the matter to be able to refute their objections and doubts.

[@danielgaley9676]

I have no problem.

[@cabellero1120]

Call No Man Father, huh? Exodus 20:12 HONOR THY FATHER Are Evangelicals saying they must show contempt and disrespect for Their Parents, Grandparents??

[@cabellero1120]

The Talmud states Every man is my teacher and that I may learn from him.. He who learns from every man is wise Evangelicals say " Call No Man Father" Rabbi is a title of honor and respect among Jewish people. Mary Magdalene called Jesus " Rabbouni" which can be translated as " teacher"! Or " master"

[@josephk4310]

"Call no man your Father," The Freemasons favorite verse. Father Peter, how deeply have the Freemasons penetrated Greek ☦️ Orthodoxy ?? The Church ☦️ where I was Christmated into Holy Orthodoxy, was full of Freemasons. I would say at least 50% of the men were Freemasons.

[@cosmindumitrescu6631]

Were you Baptised too at that Church? Are you a convert who was just Chrismated? I am asking because you should be Baptised too, as Catholic and Protestant etc. baptisms are not valid mysteries.

[@KGraceSpeaksKea1335]

Freemasonry goes all the way to the this Anti-Pope of the Counterfeit Catholic church ( Vatican II sect) Revelation 13&17. We are living out the final stage of end days. Thus, the increased knowledge on our current timeline. 🙏God is good!!!

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

Yes it’s telling how many Masonic hand mudras one sees from Orthodox fathers…

[@jg7923]

They are in All versions of Christianity. All.

[@KGraceSpeaksKea1335]

@@jg7923 Mark 9:38🙏

[@NekoFilm]

Our Father in heaven. Father was used to say our Creator at the time. So call no man your Creator.

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

Can you call someone father ?

[@Firstamongstslowbois]

@@ΓραικοςΕλληναςyeah your dad or your priest or god

[@ElohimHaveMercyICXC]

[Mat 23:9 TR] 9 καὶ πατέρα μὴ καλέσητε ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς εἷς γάρ ἐστιν ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς

[@ShahmahmoodRahmane]

به شما چرنگ تماس گرم

[@MrJch24]

Legalistic is akin to being Pharisaic in nature.

[@QuintenBakels]

evet, efendim

[@camiloinfante7766]

What you say about being not the same the title vs the relationship doesn't meet the consistency rule. The whole explanation could have been better.

[@OrthodoxEthos]

Please add to it. How would you explain it?

[@OrthodoxEthos]

Please don’t just be negative. Be positive. And tell us what is lacking? Add to it.

[@OrthodoxEthos]

@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw Your gross ignorance of the Orthodox Church, Church history, the saints of the Church for 2000 years is abundantly clear in your blanket condemnation, as is your bias and angst against what you perceive, incorrectly. The fact that you put the two together, this alone, disqualifies you from among the discerning and wise, for they are nothing alike in spirit and truth. Rather, Papal Protestantism and Reformed Protestantism are very much alike and of the same spirit -- of the world. Have every even read ONE LIFE OF A SAINT? Just one? Have you ever heard of, let alone read, any of the following for example, which show the great holiness, wisdom, Grace present in the saints of our day in the Orthodox Church: The Life of Saint Paisios the Athonite The life of Saint Joseph the Hesychast The Life of St. Silouan the Athonite The Life of Fr. Seraphim Rose Here are books to read for inquirers to the Church, which would be very good for you to read, if you are interested in Truth: The Way of a Pilgrim The Way of the Ascetics Sayings of the Desert Fathers On the Jesus Prayer by St. Ignatius Brianchaninov Revelation of God to the Human Heart by Father Seraphim Rose The Truth of our Faith by Elder Cleopa

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw Why Jesus Christ call abraham father of the jews ... John 8:56 did he contradict himself there ???

[@sakellarioudimitris7439]

Orthodoxy-Protestantism 1-0

[@HubertofLiege]

Oh boy the comment sections are going to light up with “your” now!

[@elenap9429]

Isn’t orthodox ethos with the Gregorian calendar.? Which are all ecumenism

[@oogaleeboogalee6522]

The only Orthodox Church that uses the Gregorian Calendar is the Finnish Orthodox Church, and that's because they are mandated to by the Finnish government. I don't speak for Orthodox Ethos but I'm pretty sure there are no Orthodox priests that support switching to the Gregorian calendar

[@elenap9429]

Actually the Greeks is split between the two calendars

[@oogaleeboogalee6522]

@@elenap9429 The Greek church never adopted the Gregorian calendar. In the 1920's the Ecumenical Patriarch adopted a Revised Julian Calendar while retaining the Julian Calendar for the computus of Pascha, and subsequently many churches followed while some retained the Julian calendar for all feast days. Fr Peter Heers was a priest in the Greek Orthodox Church of Greece for many years, which uses the New Calendar. Whether or not the Church of Greece adopted the Revised Julian Calendar due to "ecumenism" or not doesn't matter, which day you celebrate a feast doesn't mean you're graceless, as the "True Orthodox" claim

[@francissweeney7318]

All who follow Jesus Christ and are obedient to The Word of God are saints.

[@cabellero1120]

That would imply They have Perfect Love for God in All instances... No 1 Outside of Heaven is So perfect

[@francissweeney7318]

@@cabellero1120 Jesus said those who follow Him and do the will of The Father shall be perfect like The Father. It is a process.

[@BojanDjurdjic]

Matthew 23:9-12 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

[@LadyMaria]

​@@BojanDjurdjicYou don't need to spam. Your argument has been debunked.

[@BojanDjurdjic]

@@LadyMaria debunked? Are you saying the bible is a lie? And we should follow man? Instead of God's word?

[@ZBielski]

What about the verses surrounding it. Call no man rabbi and call no man teacher. Not protesting just trying understand i can hear my orthobros charging in now 😂

[@josecarlosramolete6109]

Eiruvin 21b of the Talmud actually confirms the Lord Jesus's words about "call no man on earth your 'father'": My son, be more careful in observing the words of the Pharisees than the words of thr Torah. - which means, the PHARISEES were thr father figures of the Jewish people which Jesus exposed their hypocrisies.

[@francissweeney7318]

Paul only baptized " In the name of Jesus Christ" and taught so.

[@francissweeney7318]

" Call no man on earth father" is The Word of God.

[@LadyMaria]

You need to know context. That's where Protestants trip up.

[@OrthodoxEthos]

Only the Lord Jesus Christ is the Word of God. St. Paul said in 1 Cor. 4:15, “For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.” St. Paul was saying that he was the spiritual father of the Corinthians. It is necessary to go beyond mere words to understand what is being said.

[@francissweeney7318]

@@LadyMaria You need to know The Holy Spirit that is Orthodox and Roman churches went wrong. Jesus said " Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away."

[@LadyMaria]

@@francissweeney7318 There is only one Holy Spirit, and you just said something against Him. Lord have mercy. ☦︎ Learn context. We shall depart now.

[@francissweeney7318]

@@LadyMaria Peter told all that in order to receive the Holy Spirit, you must be baptized " In the name of Jesus Christ." Acts 2:38.

[@jalopyranch3904]

Abraham is the biological father to all Hebrews, the apostle Paul is not the authority of our faith as he himself tells us in Galatians but that authority comes from Jesus Christ only so if Jesus says call no “man” father is referring to non biological father who is a teacher

[@leto7j]

I don't want to be disrespectful but I find priests dressed in black, long beards with hardly any emotion kind of creepy. Images of Jesus are always warm, he has a smile, helping people and dressed in normal clothes of that time. A church should also feel warm, welcoming and trusting and how can you have those feelings when you see someone dressed in black with very little emotion especially within the Orthodox Church.

[@ThriftyConceit]

“Do not judge by appearance but use righteous judgement” Your arguments are based off emotion.

[@dragana2245]

Black to remind you of death. Live like today is your last day, confess your sins and sin no more.

[@aprendiz4]

You stare at pictures of monks and decide that is what priests look and even act like? You sound like you haven't even seen them talk and what they actually behave like

[@johnrep9690]

Cult of personality….see that often in Protestant circles

[@sickowhale6861]

I highly doubt that Timothy ever called Paul a Father. What Paul was saying is that him being the spiritual leader and nurturer (thus father) rather than just being a messenger and a teacher(thus "many teachers"). It is very different from officially CALLING someone a Father, and it does contradict Jesus' teaching. You don't call no man a father especially because of a religious, spiritual reason, as He was talking about Jewish priests and the Pharisees. Putting a sirname as "Father" and systematically forcing people to call an earthly man a father is a direct opposition of Jesus' clear word. Don't distort Lord's clear word with your tradition. Apostles were never called a father by their believers. They were Jews. Jewish teachers would never want the believers to call them a father because it is an abomination. If you only keep it "Apostolic" then all the Christians would go to Apostolic Churches. Apostles were Jews.

[@aprendiz4]

Apostles could call their disciples "children" or "sons" despite there only being one Father, but not the other way around? Makes much sense yes

[@johnnyd2383]

1 Cor 4,14-15

[@BojanDjurdjic]

Matthew 23:9-12 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

[@francissweeney7318]

In 1054 the church you believe in split. The Church Jesus started ca never split.

[@dunnkruger8825]

It’s a title, out of some respect, for an assumed position e.g.Doctor for an M.D., Sir Lancelot,, Mother Theresa, Mr. Mister, Major Major Major Major, The Divine Ms. M, Lady Gaga, Captain Crunch, Private Ryan, Der Fuhrer, Sister Sledge, Mother Superior, Mr. Cleaver, Herr Comandante, Colonel Cling, Generalissimo Generallissimo, Nurse Ratchet, Lord Grantham, Lady Godiva, yes, Master, no, Princess, Maestro, Chief Redcloud, King Charles, Queen LaTife, Your Honor, Your Majesty, Mr. October, Chef Louise, Brother Sebastian, Friar Tuck, My Love, My Truth, My Light But if you insist, man.

[@coldjello8436]

Algorithm boost.

[@jalopyranch3904]

God is not our biological father since we are not begotten but created but through Christ we are made his children so I believe thats what Jesus was referring to concerning non biological father,you only have one non biological father that is God in heaven

[@geezus7833]

If you read further Jesus says you have ONE father and he is in heaven. So yes the problem is the title, for only one is worthy to be called our father, and it ain’t you or any other pastor or priest:

[@dunnkruger8825]

His Excellency has ruled Red herring argument

[@LeutherGreengager-ip1uw]

Father, please confirm your canonicity. Brother Kapner has done so with his.

[@OrthodoxEthos]

Fr. Peter’s canonicity is well documented on the Orthodox Ethos website and elsewhere. He has endorsements from Met. Seraphim of Piraeus who he was under in Greece and there is just some confusion about which bishop in America he is supposed to be under now that he is in America, which will hopefully be sorted out in time.

[@LeutherGreengager-ip1uw]

​@@OrthodoxEthosAmin to that!

[@MiguelDLewis]

In Luke 16, the person who is referring to Abraham as "father" is BURNING IN THE FLAMES OF TORMENT. This verse actually further proves that calling someone on earth "father" is a sin. Jesus is quoting the rich sinner, he's not referring to Abraham as "father" himself.

[@eemilthechristian]

he wasnt in torments for calling someone “father” he was in torments because he had his comfort on earth with riches while Lazarus had pain. so show me where it says he was thrown in the fires for calling someone father, ill wait

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@eemilthechristian When did I say he was thrown into the flames for calling someone father? I'll wait.

[@marlonscott8605]

”And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’“ ‭‭Luke‬ ‭15‬:‭21‬ ‭ESV‬‬ ”“Brothers and fathers, hear the defense that I now make before you.”“ ‭‭Acts‬ ‭22‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ ”Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.“ ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6‬:‭4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@shobudski6776 Quote the exact sentence in which I said that. Copy and paste the worde verbatim please.

[@marlonscott8605]

@@shobudski6776 Why are you calling this person names? If someone is error, don’t immediately get harsh. ”Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.“ ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ ”but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,“ ‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ ‭ESV‬‬ May God enlighten us all and bring us to maturity in Christ.

[@RNWFoster]

Word salad doesn't undo hypocrisy...

[@Journey_of_Abundance]

Good thing there's no hypocrisy here.

[@RNWFoster]

@@Journey_of_Abundance call no man Father or Teacher.

[@Journey_of_Abundance]

@@RNWFoster the problem is you don't understand what Christ meant when He said that. Men called themselves and others father in the scriptures.

[@RNWFoster]

@@Journey_of_Abundance Christ meant call no man Father or Teacher or even Instructor. Only servant can be used as a title for one leading the church. Even as Master Christ commanded his own disciples to never call him that but to know him as their servant. The least among you shall be the greater.

[@Journey_of_Abundance]

@@RNWFoster You're just making things up as you go. Christ's followers called him rabbi (teacher) all the time. Christ called Abraham "Father Abraham." Paul called himself the spiritual father to those he shepherded. You're making up a legalistic interpretation that Christ and His apostles didn't even follow. The understanding that the Church has always had of this verse (the same understanding presented in the video) makes far more sense than the one made up by protestants fairly recently.

[@dunnkruger8825]

DANCING HAIR SPLITTER CONVENIENT self serving translation My Dad was my father too My FATHER is my Creator The king of England is not my King I knew my father, I choose to call my Creator my Father in Heaven You or any other orthodox or catholic priest are not my fathers But if it makes you feel select, your choice Not mine May Our Father in Heaven bless you, brother

[@LadyMaria]

They're spiritual fathers like St. Paul said he was..

[@jamesmanolakis2420]

Tricks of vocabulary aside. OBEY God. Do as Lord Jesus commands. Pretty straight forward "call no man father". Easily accomplished except for those who can't think for themselves.

[@marlonscott8605]

“Father’s” Day… should be relabeled! Parent-“Teacher”conferences…relabel! Since the Lord explicitly declared to “call NO MAN Father…” , this means we are in error when we call our male parent “father”. This is the crudest fundamentalism. I have noticed that Protestants will address Jewish teachers as Rabbi without issue, or address males as Mr., which is technically… master. It should all be discouraged if one is being consistent.

[@FearTheNorth]

You people in the west think you know everything haha wake up my friend. Read the Greek and watch the video. As simple as that. You are sleeping my friend...

[@marlonscott8605]

@@shobudski6776 Brother, I’m Orthodox. You’re DEAD wrong in the way you’re addressing these people on this issue. They’re trying to obey Christ. Fr. Peter took the time to make a video, he didn’t hurl insults. Help them to understand, win them to the Truth. If we gain more brothers, we gain more prayers.

[@LadyMaria]

Learn context.

[@marlonscott8605]

@@shobudski6776 I would suggest that asking for a reply while addressing the heterodox as heretic is heavy-handed at best. Give them light if you have it without derogatory terms. They’re in error, but you’re in a heterodox country and culture. Be a missionary. Refer to how St. Paul addressed idolatrous Athenians in Acts.

[@eliasandrinopoulos8746]

Thank you, Father Peter! ☦️