Call No Man 'Father'?

We use the word 'father' all the time in the Church. So what did Jesus mean when He said never to use it?
LINKS:
Read the entire chapter in context (with historical annotations): catenabible.com/mt/23
A great talk on this topic by Fr Thomas - Part 1: • Call no man father? (p...
Part 2: • call no man father? (p...
Part 3: • Call No Man father? (p...
Or as audio/podcast: www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts...
Fr Josiah Trenham on the same question: • Call No Man Father?
If you'd prefer reading rather than watching some info: ww1.antiochian.org/node/19193
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(Makes 4 cups)
4-6 teaspoons of black tea leaves (preferably Ceylon black tea)
6 crushed cardamom seeds
1 teaspoon fennel seeds
1 teaspoon of cloves
1 cinnamon stick
250ml water
250ml milk
4-6 teaspoons of sugar (optional but recommended)
Add all the spices to water and bring to boil. Once the water is boiling, add in the milk and sugar and bring to boil again.
Keep an eye on the tea! Once you add in the milk, it can overflow if you're not careful.
Pour out and enjoy!

[@feeble_stirrings]

As a Protestant, I really struggled with the vast range of beliefs we had across denominations even though we all were reading the same Scriptures and all agreed the Bible was all we needed. Asking (and learning) "but what did it mean to the early Christians?" was a critical step in my journey towards the true Faith. So easy to read things in an isolated manner through only the lens of our current culture and time.

[@Patristix]

Absolutely! A lot of beautifully peaceful answers are found by looking at what Early Christians believed. And it's powerful knowing our faith is the same as theirs.

[@Johnathan909309]

100% true I grew up Baptist but I now go to an Orthodox church but am not catechized yet I do still have some questions but I think Orthodoxy is the closest we have to the original I was blown away by the reverence holiness and the nice and non judging laity. I realized protestantism has it all wrong when I saw my first Divine liturgy.

[@elenalele]

@@Johnathan909309where are you on your journey at the moment if i may ask? :) did you become a catechumen?

[@orangemanbad]

As Paul tells us in the Bible, we are to follow the traditions left to us by the apostles both written and shown.

[@moses4208]

This channel is my new hobby

[@brianhowe1982]

In the Pentecostal church I go to, we frequently ask "but what did these scriptures mean to the early church?" We are always trying to align ourselves closer and closer to the early church, to the apostles, and God the Son. However, I do not see the answers in the Western denominations. So, if Orthodoxy is THE Church, that is were I will go.

[@player1playforfun]

Christ is Risen! How has your journey been brother?

[@just4roles1]

I would say it's not THE Church but very close to the Roman Catholic Church. Fr Chris Alar has a very good video about it. His channel is Devine Mercy.

[@haniothman6233]

I am a simple guy, I see Patristix have a new video, I click the new video simple as that. I love this channel, keep up the good work.

[@Patristix]

Love this comment. Thanks!

[@lounaannajung4454]

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[@fernandoalarcon8534]

As I have started listening and reading on the early church. I have really fallen in love with the Orthodox church. I currently attend a nondenominational church, but if I had to choose a new church. It would be the Orthodox church.

[@pajcka]

One and only Church. Greetings

[@jamesdiluzio9906]

God bless you. I pray you will one day come and see the Divine Liturgy.

[@jonathanreeve7823]

Welcome home

[@matronarona]

Stephan, you are amazing at what you do. God bless!!!!

[@Patristix]

Your support has meant a lot for this, my friend!

[@irene1234]

This shows how easy it is to misinterpret the bible without having proper instruction and also, how it's very bad practice to isolate one verse apart from the rest of the bible and holy tradition.

[@Patristix]

Absolutely!

[@pajcka]

You just have to follow the holy fathers.

[@lounaannajung4454]

5:42 marking this to come back for reminders ❤

[@FatherAndTeacherTV]

Thank you both for discussing this particular topic. I had that question before since Protestant Christian friends/family would pose this as a problem with Orthodoxy.

[@bethstarkey4119]

I love that you came, conquered, and even shared a tea recipe. Thanks for the recipe and the channel!I think the videos are going great! Very helpful and short snippets. - a recent convert to Orthodoxy

[@Patristix]

Welcome to the Church, Beth! Thanks for the kind words. Hope the chai turns out well. It's a delicious and warming recipe 👌

[@jonathanreeve7823]

Bro what a find your channel is 🙏

[@SimpleAmadeus]

Moving through the videos in order. Have to stop here for tonight. I'm quite enjoying them. Thank you. The Lord bless you.

[@alenakz2077]

Loved it! Good work! Glory to God - may your works be blessed!

[@ancientofdayslionofjudah2427]

I've seen your map of christian history a few times now. It served you well to start early in your channel with that, a good guide for all conversion. Thank you for clarification on this subject. Bless you.

[@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790]

As a devotee protestant, I felt really good about that video, you showed the correct arguments without just saying "protestant reformation invented that", but even quoting the reformers on the topic. Sadly nowadays a lot of protestants contradict the reformers and adopt easily just "bad arguments" and bad interpretations of the Bible of misunderstandings. The Reformation was about returning to the old faith, not inventing anything by our own understanding of the Bible, and I hope your videos along with protestant videos correcting wrong modern protestant misunderstandings could help the entire church.

[@orangemanbad]

Very true. Such as the veneration of Mary. No longer doing that is a very recent innovation in Protestant churches.

[@user-ip1gt3hw8m]

Its good to see how much you love what you are talking about. Keep being blessed with such enthusiasm, its your duty now since people listen to you.

[@cozzwozzle]

Thanks for drinking the tea on the show

[@Patristix]

It had to be done 😆

[@MrJMB122]

Is so well put together I absolutely love it. And this is doubly great for the older kids high school age that are going through Sunday school.

[@Patristix]

Cheers, Joel!

[@FatherAndTeacherTV]

That's great that you all talk about Andrew's new wife too. Great stuff to you both, Stephan and Andrew.

[@Patristix]

She makes AMAZING chai! We have a cool team behind these videos. Thanks for the support, friend!

[@todormia]

Great, great channel! God bless you brother in your work.

[@todormia]

By the way, Masala tea is my favourite as well!

[@Patristix]

Thanks for the kind words and yes, masala chai is AMAZING

[@JoshAlicea1229]

I love your channel. Good work, man.

[@marcialaguinaldo1071]

very good analogy!

[@mrsnkg7904]

Good work guys! 🙏💖➕

[@dopeariz1020]

Thank you for sharing.🙏✨

[@FaithEncouragedTV]

Thank you for this.

[@kaybrown4010]

Well said. Thank you! ❤️☦️

[@henridib7222]

Love the video man actually touching, especially the outro with slurping. God bless 🙏🏼

[@AaronPLehmann]

TEA information! YESSSS! Also, you should talk about why we call bishops master.

[@Kaptnkrnch]

Nice job!

[@ancientofdayslionofjudah2427]

I love your sweater as well. Nothing wrong with a good fitting vest, but this one better represents your warmth of character I feel. Also, your brother did a good job setting up that place. Not to crowded, not to empty. Just like our minds when listening Also, why did you start using a coaster for your cup of tea? The tea rings on the table was giving that table character, a lovley reminder of the past. Bless you.

[@BookofAkathists]

Go go go!

[@Patristix]

Go go gadget Bible Study!

[@BookofAkathists]

@@Patristix grew up on that one! …and Thundercats! Hoooooooooo

[@AlexanderTate.]

But we want that slurp sound! Anyways thank you for your great videos. I could watch so much of it. Any other Orthodox channels on KZbin that you like or would suggest?

[@brianmarshall1637]

As a Baptist on the few occasions that I have met Roman Catholic priests,I have used the word father out of respect.

[@nathanmichelson5156]

I am a new viewer of you videos. Love the content. But thought I would share how interesting it was to see an LDS advertisement after your video. No, No KZbin.

[@Patristix]

That's hilarious 😆

[@elijahmcknight]

I love the tea touch. I just finished a bag of Masala Chai. Tasty.

[@derekchayel6292]

Hi, thanks for your channel as I am currently exploring Eastern Orthodoxy. I am also, however, reading/listening to those who have left Eastern Orthodoxy; namely, ex-Orthodox Priest Joshua Schooping and the ex-Orthodox community on Reddit.

[@NavelOrangeGazer]

I'd recommend Craig Truglia and Fr. John Whiteford's response to Schooping. He's largely an egomaniac who became bitter because he wasn't getting enough attention in Orthodoxy and couldn't succeed in hamfisting his unexamined protestant worldview in Orthodoxy.

[@TheMhouk2]

@@NavelOrangeGazer he also kept shopping around because no bishop would ordain him, until he found one

[@leanna4170]

There's not a thing wrong with slurping on a video! It just verifies that you're a human being. I heard once that the Amish women here in the U.S. purposely leave mistakes in their sewing projects in order to be human and humble. So slurp away and enjoy your tea while we enjoy your videos!

[@Patristix]

Hahaha thank you so much!

[@AntoniusOhii]

Great video, but now "father" doesn't sound like an actual word to me anymore from hearing it so much

[@panayodist.nicolaou5322]

May I suggest, that the title "Father", is a reference to Christ God. As with venerating an Icons, the 'honour is passed over to the archytype'. So when we greet a priest with 'Father', we are greeting Christ/God the Father, honouring Him.

[@patredman3733]

The holders of these titles must not claim them to themselves but recognise it is because others can glimpse God through them, as you say they are pointers to God. I’m so sad that the Anglican Church (? &others?) are changing the Lord’s Prayer to “Our parent”. Come Lord Jesus.

[@OrthoKarter]

Amen.

[@Craines]

I think the slurping, especially with the tea, is meet and right.

[@Patristix]

😆 Legendary comment

[@cyurisich]

I just moved a comma and then it's me telling my dad to get off the phone

[@Patristix]

This is hilarious!

[@wesholmes5285]

What is the source for the quote from Calvin that begins at 4:34?

[@Patristix]

It is from John Calvin's commentary on 1 Timothy 1:2

[@loverlei79]

Usually I find that anytime the Bible seemingly contradicts itself its because English translations are horrible and/or we are so removed from historical context that the meaning is lost. Another issue is translators trying to connect the gospels too closely. My biggest pet peeve is the Luke verse "Wherever the Body is there the Eagles are gathered together." Only the KJV is correct. In context Jesus is talking about Christians being gathered by the angels. But because of translators wanting sychronicity they replaced eagles with vultures to match the other gospels that are talking about sinners in a similar text, regardless that the Greek words used Clearly deliniated that they were very different passages. Ok. Rant over.

[@HomoEucharistica]

Similar way as we are called sons (and daughters) of God by grace, after Him Who is the Only-Begotten Son of God by nature, so the title "father" is given to priests by grace. Very same logic can be applied to many other titles: Jesus Christ is the Angel (literally "Messenger") of the Lord by nature, and thus faithful spirits and even some people are called messengers (angels and prophets) of God by grace. Jesus is the King, thus people who are ordained by God's will to lead their people are called kings. Jesus is the Shepherd, Jesus is the Priest, Jesus is the Judge. I could keep going on, but the point is clear. Very same pattern is in the heart of *_theosis_* too.

[@Shinsenchu]

Matthew 23:6-10 "They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’, for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your Father, for One is your Father, He who is in Heaven. And do not be called Teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ." I believe these people were putting themselves in the place of Deity, God. By capitalizing these words is showing honor to God. And when you do this, it makes complete sense. If you are called any of these things you are a little teacher, rabbi, or father. But do not be called Teacher, Rabbi, or Father. For only One are those things.

[@Patristix]

The actual practice of capitalising letters is a newer topic, as the original Greek text would not have used capitals except for names. But you're absolutely right about your main point, the problem isn't in the actual word 'teacher' or 'father', but in trying to put oneself in God's place, rather than realising that the titles of 'teacher' or 'father' are about truthfully representing Him.

[@Shinsenchu]

@@Patristix And just as you show honor and glory to God Almighty by capitalizing Deity words, there is a opposite effect as well. Matthew 16:23 "But He turned and said to Peter, get behind Me, satan. You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

[@Keepingitsimp]

Indian Masala Tea is the best 🎉

[@Patristix]

Agreed. There are MANY different variants but they're all incredibly!

[@athanasiushall4461]

Great. Come on over, I'll introduce you to Jesus Christ in the One Holy Catholic (Universal) Orthodox Church