Calli, Mumei & more discuss a recent Youtube change that's causing Trouble for them

[@ElEscolta]

Calli's explanation for perfectly with the intercuts of all the others suffering with, love the extra work you put to your edits man

[@ElEscolta]

Fit perfectly*

[@blueAwoo]

Dude that's actually some really nice editing on the clip

[@ThatGuyYouSeeCommentingOnClips]

The good reason to have it off is it increases latency. I'm guessing Hololive suggest having it off because they worry about people going back to get moments they want to remove from VODs, e.g: the talent says something they shouldn't, but seems pointless given we know every stream is being recorded by hosts of clippers and collectors, no way something doesn't get kept.

[@mindflair3732]

Yeah but they'll take any kind of mitigation they can get. Generally clippers are genuine fans and wouldn't clip those moments. Even if they do it for clout, usually probably wouldn't want to stir the spot by posting something they know the talent or company wouldn't like. If DVR is on even a casual listener has the potential of being like "ayo what" and then rewinding and clipping.

[@milesedgeworth132]

When they accidentally show a reflection or sensitive info for a second, it's hard for viewers to see what it is. DVR allows you to go back and pause. People can still do that if they recorded it, but it's much harder to spread without being taken down by Cover. I have seen plenty of streams where it's been edited and I have no clue where to even look for on what was removed. The few things I've found have been on obscure archive websites that for some reason re-upload every single VOD.

[@goztboy]

It weeds out drama farmers who aren't actually tuned into the streams. I imagine if someone slipped up and DVR was on there'd be people notifying those kinds of people about it, whereas now the only people who are likely to bother recording the streams were already watching them and are probably fans of the streamer (and wouldn't want to cause trouble for them).

[@KABLAMMATS]

​@@mindflair3732 you are giving clipper too much credit A lot of clippers I see using click bait or out of context title in their video, ame addresses this and Kiara used to catch fire because of the clipper. Clipper used to be a fan, but not anymore nowadays, i only see few remains.

[@mantopen14425]

even then 99% of viewers are not recording streams but I think it's more about the latency, it's too easy to desync and endup watching things delayed, so you might get people not noticing they are watching something from +10sec ago

[@Cafebcs]

DVR is usefull when Pekora or Biboo do a pro move and you have to rewatch it.

[@MrPibATF]

Also useful for those with crap internet. I have Google Fiber 5G-bit and KZbin still buffers streams nonstop. If I want to catch Hololive live, I have to watch in 240p... I can imagine that others with even slower net speeds have it worse. ---- I only have this issue with Hololive. I DO NOT have buffering issues with any other live streams (KSON/Delutaya/Rica/Mikeneko/IronMouse)... I'm beginning to think that my buffering issue is a Hololive thing and not an issue with my ISP.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

Yeah, it's a great feature and streams that don't have it on are missing a ton of functionality / usability. I prefer watching streams that have it enabled if there is a choice (which there is sometimes, but not all of the time).

[@nik5632]

YTBetter for the win (enables DVR everywhere)

[@NihongoWakannai]

@@Yutani_Crayven when it's on, any time the stream buffers it results in you being put on a large delay from the stream unless you manually press a button to reset back to live which is annoying. This also means that chatters will be out of sync from what's happening on stream. Having it off also makes it easier for them to edit out anything in the stream that wasn't supposed to be shown without people rewinding to it.

[@normalguy5583]

you can also use extensionto turn it on for you.

[@meatballdivino8955]

oh the edits are great with this one mate

[@metalninja2474]

That explains why when (for some reason) my TV lags out and on some streamers I'm a few seconds behind, and others I rejoin at the current moment...

[@bryanisraeltorres7643]

Yeah, I never knew what a DVR is until now. All i know is there are two kinds of stream, the one you can rewind and put at 2x speed to catch up the live and the one where it is always live

[@DBT1007]

one of most important stuff of WHY DVR IS OFF is for stuff like.... THE STREAMER ALREADY OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. but some chats, because late or internet lagging, they still on the scene where the streamer STILL INSIDE THE BUILDING. so they chat stuff about when they still inside the building. that gonna be weird for the chat there. gonna make that chatter embarrassed if they know, and gonna confuse all the viewers there and also the holomemb

[@Flugmorph]

thank you for the entertaining and informative clip edit!

[@jakkametkraiwong6508]

That Calli's shikanoko tho. 😂

[@mrchuuni1517]

As a person who likes the DVR feature, I understand why Hololive wants it OFF. Calli literally said why tho. If they leaks some personal information or something that shouldn't be public, with DVR ON it's much easier for people to simply go back a few seconds of the stream and print/record it. literally happened recently with Celilia's Minecraft RP stream when she let personal stuff from her desktop show and so the Vod was taken down for several hours before it was put back up. Because the DVR is OFF she was able to continue streaming normally and make the VOD private only at the end of the stream. If the DVR was ON she would have to stop and take down the stream immediately.

[@nik5632]

The reality is, that moment was immediately screenshotted by people who have a "magic script" and shared in some communities. So it's almost impossible to hide such oopsies.

[@MasterOfBasara]

​@@nik5632 The more dedicated will still catch it, yeah. It still helps by keeping the "average viewer" from simply going back 10 seconds and like OP said, allows them to continue streaming without immediately stopping to remove it.

[@MakotoTheKnight]

@@nik5632 It's not about hiding, it's about reducing the blast radius. Sure, there's someone who is going to have that moment clipped or captured in low fidelity, but if the _vast majority_ of people are looking at the actual archive and not the clip, they're not going to see that moment. Then, in accordance with the clipping policy by Cover, they can have a chat with one person rather than having to chat to however many others.

[@ValkisCalmor]

And to be fair even without that, there are times when I appreciate the feature but it also tends to desync the stream. For whatever reason you just lose a fraction of a second here and there and by an hour into the stream you don't realize you're like 10-20 seconds behind live. The trade-off is probably worth it if you're not participating in chat but for those of us that do it gets pretty annoying.

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

Bro fr, I remember being so embarrassed chatting on kson's Undertale stream when I realized I was an hour behind. Thanks to DVR holding the stream back when I on habit paused the stream when I left to go do something. ​@ValkisCalmor

[@DioReze]

If I am completely honest, this dvr thing is the reason that I think that KZbin is the better streaming platform. Missed the first 15 minutes of a stream, no problem just rewind back, put that thing on 2 times speed and a few moments later I am caught up and can enjoy the stream live again without having to wait like 5 hours until the stream is over to watch it whole

[@Velisatra]

On Twitch if you go to someone's videos the stream they're currently streaming is there and you can do the same thing. There are no ads in VODs either. So you're kinda misinformed on that one. I personally just don't like the super aggressive constant ads and prerolls on Twitch that completely interrupt the stream making you miss a huge swathe of it with no way to skip like you'll legit have to watch 30 seconds to a minute maybe even up to like 6 times and ad blockers don't even work for it. It's only really worth watching the one you prime sub to for free so there's no ads for them.

[@DioReze]

@@Velisatra oh no I know that you can go to the video section and click on the vod, but the problem with that is that the vod doesn't get automatically refreshed so if you missed 10 minutes you only can watch said 10 minutes and then the vod ends, and you are then forced to refresh the vod yourself to get the parts that happened in the stream while you were watching said vod which in turn makes it a huge hassle to watch vods on twitch while the stream is still going and I completely agree on the ads part, they are a complete disaster on twitch

[@obake6290]

@@Velisatra Twitch's interface is a disaster though. I mean, maybe it's just me because I don't use twitch that much. But if someone's currently streaming I can't get to the vods unless I type in the URL. If they aren't streaming there's an obvious button but it ain't there when they're live.

[@dbagette]

fr this! I've seen other vtubers' clips complaining about holomems not using DVR when they catch a Livestream in the middle. Seems very Boomer logic to apply appointment scheduling to streams when other media operates ondemand. There's a lot to complain about the chat anyway and recent KZbin policies are k!lling clippers for "non-transformative" content

[@walterroche8192]

Lol! You guys get ADS! Lol! I NEVER get ads. Lol! More options for the viewership is always superior for the viewership, unless poorly implemented. I don't even touch Twitch because they can't even keep older videos up, and after finding someone that you like you can only watch the most current stuff! You can never see, without ridiculous amount of searching, other things that made(make) them even better!

[@Furluge]

Oh, don't worry. YT will probably remove the option to turn it off soon.

[@davidd.w.8681]

I like DVR because you can tune in late to a stream and catch up form the beginning. Specially if you use speed higher than 1x

[@tciddados]

Having to cut things makes sense, tbh I always thought it was just to make sure chat was all reacting to the same thing instead of muddying what was being talked about (by some of them accidentally being behind).

[@igloo_igloo]

Very nicely edited!

[@dustycoal183]

Jurard from Holostars also had his DVR on by accident in his 7 Days to Die stream.

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

I bet this is yet another case of some UI designer trying to justify their job by pitching stupid changes to their superiors, without really thinking about the knock-on effects it will have...

[@Soulhope85]

A fitting outro for the yt fiesta :)

[@severussnape2917]

Love the thumbnail!

[@SteelPokeNinja]

So what’s kinda funny is that Biboo’s 3D debut actually had DVR on in its entirety

[@AngellishV]

I LOVE your outro. Mumei being featured fits so good.

[@NotserpHrrib]

I love your outro lmao it fits so well

[@kamo7293]

what an absolutely weird thing to do. the streamer is conditioned to notice blue = on. changing if to white messes with that association. looks like youtube back at it again with horrible amd weird decisions

[@Bam_bone]

We love setting resets with updates 😃

[@sakmadik69420]

bib's bgm is like a sleeper agent after watching all those wiggles💀

[@Barry_Botter]

The part where moom coughed out a brat is just lmao

[@kev1nno]

2:00 That edit is wild, tho 😂👌

[@Velisatra]

tbh I prefer DVR being on being able to rewind. Sucks coming an hour late then having to wait hours to even be able to start without missing the first hour and then watching it out of order or not at all. I think it's mostly a corpo thing for protection so they can remove anything they don't want in it without people being able to immediately clip it. And maybe people are more likely to donate when they're watching live.

[@combastion5227]

It also helps mitigate latency issues, to lower stream delay as much as possible, and prevents viewers unknowingly being like 30 minutes behind and chatting or even sending superchats about things that are no longer relevant to what is happening in the stream.

[@Freedmoon44]

Basically DVR on is better for us but not the streamer and vice versa, and since the streamer is the priority its going to stay off if they can help it

[@StkyDkNMeBlz]

Doesn't really make sense when there are stream archivers everywhere. Anybody can run ytarchive and have it automatically download whenever a stream goes up

[@mumtrz]

Good clip, good edit, subbed

[@AnotherTwo-ev7nn]

I will never understand why tech companies keep removing minor but still useful features for absolutely no reason.

[@Appl_Jax]

This is where having a browser extension that could insert custom CSS to a page can come in handy.

[@spongebobfan78]

I only noticed it on I think one of Axel's VCR Minecraft streams. I thought that was either a because it's VCR event, which was a special event, or one time accident thing. Didn't know that everyone was affected. 0:37 Priorities 1:35 From my experience, if they changed the DVR option, it just applies without the need of a refresh.

[@sojivt]

For those that didn't bother to watch the whole thing through before commenting, Calli literally explains WHY they have it off. If anything happens like things on their desktop or personal folders get exposed, if they're doing a handcam stream and there just happens to be a reflective object that they didn't catch during prep, anything sensitive like that at all. Having DVR off stops people from rewinding and clipping that, so they can take down the stream and edit it out before putting it back up.

[@haydenTenno-]

There’s hordes of people recording and clipping the entire stream.

[@Elipson52008]

@@haydenTenno- makes it easier to manage. yes there are alot of people recording, but there would be even more issues if the avg viewer could just scroll back.

[@nadaburner]

I generally don't watch their streams and coincidentally never saw a handcam stream BUT.. Graphics card software like AMD and GeForce Experience can be set to automatically screen record. You press a few buttons to record the last 5-ish minutes or customize the amount of time. Xbox software also has this feature where it's easy to screen record and it's possible to just have your software actively screen recording. I got dozens of funny gaming clips with the boyz because of these softwares and I imagine people can use it during streams. Having DVR off is NOT going to stop people but it does make it easier to stop since I imagine most people don't got, know or have the recording software ready.

[@sojivt]

I didn't say there aren't ways around it, I'm giving the explanation as to COVER's reasoning

[@waffle-waffle5416]

They tried to change layout as well, moving next video recommendation from the side into the comment section and move comment and video description into the side, it feels extremely weird and look hideous so hopefully they shelved that idea

[@SpindlyJohnny]

That's why they'd do it! They're all about finding new ways to intentionally piss everyone off. 💀

[@waffling0]

my youtube was like that for maybe two days and then it went back to being good again, so I hope that means they reversed the decision

[@TehNSF]

@@waffling0 It has come and gone for me. It changed, then went to back normal, then changed again and now I'm back to normal once again.

[@BitterBookwyvern]

Thanks for the clip and explanation, learned something new today

[@herbderbler1585]

Wow, that outro is definitely a mooming mood.

[@thomas_roni_pero346]

gosh dang these edits XD

[@CaylexT]

I really feel for the people who get their income from this hellsite. KZbin corporate are constantly making decisions that make it harder for creators to access income while trying to force them to pivot towards kid-friendly content (see also: the rise of clickbait titles and thumbnails as well as children's songs).

[@Blakobness]

KZbin introducing stupid features or making changes without regard for the people making their money for them? No way, never. Not my KZbin.

[@phantomnio3918]

Ah! That is why I can't rewind live streams! I don't upload or stream so I never knew DVR was a thing. I just thought it was a funky glitch lol

[@D0Samp]

I understand why they generally have DVR turned off, I just wish we could have a compromise like on Twitch. There we can create clips from the last minute of the stream even if VODs are turned off, but the streamer (and anyone with channel access) gets an overview of all created clips and can nuke them on the fly.

[@alblacka4763]

I'm a bit mixed about this myself, (I frequently use the drm feature ) but i understand that the purpose of having dvr off is to limit this kind of stuff instead of completely dealing with it ( Sure some people will still go out of their way to record stuff potentially undesired by the streamer, but more effort will be required nonetheless )

[@glenngunnerzero]

End credit music is from 'Smiling Friends' end credit music for those wondering.

[@I_love_bread_and_Hungry_Jacks]

So that's why there were random days that I could pull the slider on the stream.

[@juniorthelivinglegend7904]

Oh that's why I was able to rewind on some streams. It's great that DVR is on so we can rewind what I missed.

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

DVR can actually be quite annoying when watching a stream on the side, since it may sometimes pause for a while and fall behind. And chat will still be live, so now chat and the stream are showing totally different things

[@Con15]

Wonder if that’s why when you watch a short while watching a livestream, you come back and it’s not “live” anymore.

[@TenshiKisai]

Latency with the DVR on and set to normal is about 25 seconds. Compared to twitch which is like 2 seconds. The catch is that DVR is useful for clippers, and that added latency can also keep chat from spoiling/backseating/cheating. But it does depend on the content itself. The problem is that some people will start watching a video and not realize they are watching it from the beginning rather than the live portion and start commenting on things from minutes ago.

[@dannyd.9932]

I’d prefer if they did have DVR on since it’s VERY VERY inconvenient on the watching end because it’s so easy to lose one’s place in the stream BUT I understand why the company would want it off.

[@JustMartha07]

Calli's "Shikanokonoko"

[@astral6749]

The owl noises with Mumei lol

[@emp100k]

Don't know what I like better, the Shika reference or Moom coughing up a little Rrrrrat she had for lunch.

[@marioprawirosudiro7301]

She got distracted by a Shikanokonokonokokoshitantan~

[@Cainite]

Honestly, I like DVR because I can pause the stream when taking a piss...

[@jamasa007]

It's also helpful if you miss the beginning of a stream because you can watch it at 2x speed and catch up to the live(verb) live(noun)

[@goodnewsnwosu7562]

I don't want to be that guy (but im 100% going to be that guy) but the 1st live is a noun and 2nd live is an adverb

[@jamasa007]

@@goodnewsnwosu7562 do both orders not work

[@jamasa007]

@@goodnewsnwosu7562 No?

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodjinx]

Ngl I love dvr because the amount of streams I've had to miss because I come an hour late to is crazy. That being said, I much prefer people not being doxxed or getting in big trouble.

[@remus_lupin]

Sadly, I watch via a device connected to my TV, & it doesn't like playing non-DVR streams live. So, I'm stuck watching the VoDs.

[@DBT1007]

one of most important stuff of WHY DVR IS OFF is for stuff like.... THE STREAMER ALREADY OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. but some chats, because late or internet lagging, they still on the scene where the streamer STILL INSIDE THE BUILDING. so they chat stuff about when they still inside the building. that gonna be weird for the chat there. gonna make that chatter embarrassed if they know, and gonna confuse all the viewers there and also the holomemb

[@SunriseAlchemist]

It is a bit of a shame they can't use DVR though, it would make syncing collab POVs possible

[@TheWhiteMamba3000]

KZbin: it’s rewind time.

[@themalcontent100]

A real contradiction that youtube hates clippers but has this feature automatically turned on. At least i now know why i am able to rewind some streams while others i cannot

[@ArkahnX]

Huh, was not expecting the backrooms clip in this considering how recent that was great example for rewinding though, heh

[@ctom42]

I understand why they keep DVR off, but for certain streams I would prefer it on. Game or Zatsudan streams that go on for a long time don't need it, but short event type streams could really use it. For example I almost always miss the start of Holotalk and thus just wait for it to end so I can watch the whole thing. Something like the telephone collab Bae did a while back (the one that spawned jdon my soul) are also the types of things I would like it for. Anything where someone would reasonably want to actually watch the stream from start to finish I think it's a nice feature for. Mistakes that need to get cut are rare, and almost always someone still manages to record it, so I don't think in a practical sense keeping it turned off helps that much. The latency reason is a much better one and that's why Zatsus or anything else with a lot of chat interaction should keep it off.

[@nickrob6941]

Lmao has anyone seen the Ko’one animation where she has it on?

[@NanaSaze-ss9do]

Its understandable that they want to limit it in case they accidentally show inappropriate things. Gura also said a while ago she doesnt like having DVR on cos she doesnt want people to rewind things incase she accidentally farts on stream lol.

[@NEWGHOST9]

Always hated them having it off rlly takes away the one cool thing about streaming on youtube being able to go back from the start of the stream n play at 2x and catch up to the live stream

[@kenn4yt]

dvr is a good way to back track but it causes more stream latency and lowers the quality a tiny bit..

[@DahliaInPurple]

Hope KZbin sorts out latency so the best feature of KZbin streams is available.

[@LasherTimora]

It's annoying when I can't rewind the stream.

[@TheHyny]

DVR being off is THE reason I don't watch any content live. I like to go at my own pace. Rarely an issue but sometimes I catch an interesting stream and skip watching the whole thing since I know I can't start from the beginning. And then I forget about it later so I end up never watching it.

[@imonlysleeping4491]

Good video!

[@SolaireIntensifies]

While I get the reasons why, it seems pointless to me. There are already 20 people recording the entire stream in full on every channel and if something happens it's gonna get clipped one way or the other. And having DVR off means that if I miss a great moment (not even like a accidentally show credit card, just like a funny death or something) I can't go back and watch it. Seems completely pointless to me

[@tropicturtle9021]

There’s a pretty massive different between 20 people seeing potentially leaked info and literally everyone watching a stream seeing it. You’re not going to stop the info from getting out there once it appears on a stream, but turning dvr off at least reduces the damage.

[@retelefe]

But recently, yout.... shikanokonokonokokoshitantan

[@yaze_game]

It's not about whether having VCR on is better or not. It's about KZbin practically forcing streamers to have it on even if they don't want it to.

[@CrocvsGator]

Why did youtube change things from having blue highlights to just white/gray?

[@fpty]

I wonder if management knows clippers record streams live anyway, so 'mistakes' are going to get saved and plastered all over the internet, whether DVR is on or not.

[@TehNSF]

KZbin still allows people to chat while they are not watching live, so you also get some people reacting in chat to something that happened like an hour ago, which can make chat harder for the streamer to read.

[@tropicturtle9021]

As others have explained in the comments, there’s a huge difference between one guy recording an incident and then posting a video about it somewhere, and literally everyone watching a stream being able to see it. It’s the same as locking your front door. A locked door isn’t going to stop dedicated people from getting in, but it is going to stop every random person who walks by from being able to walk into your house.

[@zulchemical]

Hmm but i like that option when i watching live competitions

[@vgc_ivan8391]

that explains why ame zatsu was acting up

[@bradonbyrd8061]

Ladies dealings

[@cdbitesky]

Wait... Hololive doesn't have like a chrome plugin that prevents them from going live until they have the right config? Show red boxes or something

[@aurious5821]

DVR is a great feature for viewers, can be really bad for streamers who accidentally leak something tho

[@lifdrazor]

Really good*

[@blackfirehedgehog7725]

For some reason it amuses me that Calli is the one who knows what's going on. That said, moderately scummy and/or dumb move by KZbin

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

Among all issues with youtube, this isn't even worthy of attention. I am more frustrated at youtube's censorship & shadow ban policies, scam ads by youtube & youtubers, grooming videos in youtube kids etc.

[@lostinthemeta9266]

One thing that DVR on does is make sure you're always watching live and in sync with chat. It's real easy to get out of sync with DVR on - by pausing for a bit and then playing again or such - and then you might end up commenting on things that happened several minutes ago.

[@coffeetea5915]

bruh did anyone watch the full clip cuz i see ppl being 'I am guessing hololive does this bc.....' when it was already explained in the video and people who have common sense can clearly understand.....

[@RexusprimeIX]

This is kinda crazy to me, one of the main appeal of youtube streaming is that you CAN go back in a live stream. Cover... you DO realise hundreds of people are recording the live streams, it doesn't matter if you turn off the DVR and then later remove the mistake in post... it's saved forever by clippers. How often do they make mistakes so bad that you literally need to edit it out? I know Calli had one a long time ago (in her early days of streaming), and Fauna had one recently but it wasn't actually anything bad, she just invented a problem in her head that she needed to fix. I dunno, I just think it's dumb that they are forsaking one of the GOOD things about youtube streaming over twitch streaming.

[@combastion5227]

It helps mitigate latency issues, to lower stream delay as much as possible, and prevents viewers unknowingly being like 30 minutes behind and chatting or even sending superchats about things that are no longer relevant to what is happening in the stream, which disrupts chat.

[@RexusprimeIX]

@@combastion5227 That sounds a lot like skill issue. You can literally see the youtube bar be behind when you aren't "live" and the live icon isn't lighting up red either. And I hightly doubt latency is the reason Cover essentially forbids DVR.

[@NihongoWakannai]

People recording the stream doesn't mean that it's useless. With DVR on then literally everyone could easily rewind and see the thing that happened.

[@lunarath1]

I really wish they were allowed to stream with DVR. It's the primary reason why KZbin streams are so much better than Twitch. I can see why Hololive specifically doesn't like it though, but it's a shame.

[@LatashaMoore-y7r]

You look as pretty as aways Calli and Mumei✨️ 💕 💖

[@Zirzon]

Huge reason DVR is annoying, is that viewers can still chat when they are behind. So you get people responding to things that happened a while ago.

[@Doctorgeo7]

If there ever comes a better platform than KZbin, I hope HoloLive switches to that.

[@stevencurtis7157]

I appreciate their frustration with KZbin but the option to turn DVR off shouldn't even exist.

[@BaconNuke]

Wait is DVR for the streamer or the viewer? I don't get the issue with the ability to rewind.. we do that on normal youtube videos and stuff...

[@ArcRay20]

oh so thats what the big deal was recently for like a day. which i was baffled by cuz i thought it was a feature removed in general cuz i know youtube streams used to have it and then they didnt. i used to watch one streamer on this site way back before a conflict in a streaming agreement cause them to only stream on Twitch and their streams had back seeking. but now i know that must have been this DVR thing and they just didnt turn it off. cuz when i started watching youtube streams again thanks to Hololive, i noticed that no streamer had back seeking anymore. so now i know its a feature.

[@mathieul4303]

I wish they could keep it on again, I hate not being able to rewind a stream

[@rika-chan]

what's the point when there's gonna be dozens of people recording the whole stream live anyway

[@tropicturtle9021]

While yes dedicated clippers will catch everything that ever happens on a stream, the average stream watcher won’t. If a hologirl accidentally briefly shows something on stream she’s not supposed to (like private info) literally any random viewer being able to go back and look at it is going to be way worse than a random clipper doing that and is going to reach less people, especially since clips showing private info can easily be located and taken down (as long as they are posted publicly at least).

[@surfingraichu7594]

I would personally love to see this used more, I mostly watch vods because streams are so inconvenient to watch at my own pace and I always lose stuff. I understand it in hololive’s case tho, so many people try to feed off their success that you have to make it a little inconvenient for those people that want to create drama content from small slip ups or potential doxxing moments.

[@Paveway-chan]

The enshittification of KZbin continues 😒

[@StardustSynchron]

I wonder if KZbin would make dvr mandatory in the future? 🤔

[@alcor4670]

On a related note: Is it just me, or did YT start putting a *_MASSIVE_* amount of ads in every vid this past week?

[@LockOn7016]

wouldnt know. i would recommend remedying that

[@reignedaze]

PSA: use the extension, Force enable KZbin DVR, if u want live playback. Note, when u open a live stream, it will appear to not have worked, refresh the page and itll be active.

[@MrCh0o]

Funny thing is, I'm using literally the same extension, "Force enable KZbin DVR", but when I went to check it's page it seems to have disappeared from the Firefox add-on site. No idea what happened there, but people looking for it will have to try other extensions doing the same thing. Edit: found the answer on extension's Github repo, apparently it stopped working for the developer, even though it still works for me. Must be KZbin rolling out changes only for some people, but not the others again. In that case, looking for extensions that enable DVR might not be straight-forward anymore. Sigh...

[@reignedaze]

@@MrCh0o still there for chome/opera

[@MrCh0o]

@@reignedaze Yeah, the Chrome store page just has an update saying it no longer works. That's where I found the link to the developer describing the issue. Well, I guess if it also works for you, it might be fine for others too

[@MakotoTheKnight]

I mean... If the streamer has this feature disabled, then the intent is clear that they don't want this feature to be leveraged... So maybe _don't_ use a plugin for it?

[@reignedaze]

@@MakotoTheKnight clippers literally record the stream from start to finish, nothing is ever lost. my bad for working 11 hours and getting to stream 30mins and wanting to watch it from the start and not wait 5 hours for it to finish, oh wait its beds time.... they disable it solely because it creates more delay when THEY have it forced on EVERY viewer. their company is the one who don't want it on for "erasure" reasons, are u on corpo side or the user side? let themt ake away a few mroe of your features and freedoms and we'll see

[@mfrunyan]

DVR is like the floppy disk being the save icon

[@JT1698]

Is this a thing on twitch as well?